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Utopia Talk / Politics / The free speech gap
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Mar 12 13:16:55
When the authors broke down the data further, they provided a clear picture of what certain campus demographics prioritize. About 61 percent of men favored free speech rights far more than a diverse and inclusive campus (39 percent). Conversely, 64 percent of women believe that diversity is more important, versus 35 percent who picked free speech.

Differences emerge with race, too. White students tended to value free speech more -- 52 percent compared to 47 percent who picked diversity and inclusion. About 68 percent of black students, meanwhile, said diversity was more important compared to 31 percent for free speech.

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Paramount
Member
Mon Mar 12 13:34:34
What good is diversity if there isn’t free speech?
Rugian
Member
Mon Mar 12 13:59:17
According to progressives, we're all going to be pansexual brown-skinned Spanglish speakers in a hundred years anyway. Diversity is overrated.
TJ
Member
Mon Mar 12 14:02:43
Diversity exclusion.
jergul
large member
Mon Mar 12 14:16:21
Why would you ever have to choose between diversity and free speech?
Paramount
Member
Mon Mar 12 14:20:24
Yeah, both is important and you can have both.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Mar 12 14:20:32
You should ask the protestors who are trying to interrupt the next speaker at whatever university or de-platform evolutionary biologist trying to have a panel discussion about sex differences, or get people fired from google.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Mar 12 14:37:40
It is fairly simply fellas, if people are allowed to speak freely, chance rise exponentially with time that things will be said that make certain people offended and ultimately unwelcome, which may or may not be the intention. It isn't rocket science.
TJ
Member
Mon Mar 12 14:41:56
Blastoff!
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Mar 12 14:46:20
http://i1....amed-3.png?fit=620%2C398&ssl=1

^Democratic women most likely to block "friends" over political views.
jergul
large member
Mon Mar 12 14:48:30
Women most likely to leave Utopia Forum mirrors.

Why not stick close to home?
hood
Member
Mon Mar 12 15:21:04
Fred was always the most likely to leave, no need to rub it in jergul.
Jeff Fred
Member
Mon Mar 12 15:30:51
Fuck off
jergul
large member
Mon Mar 12 15:49:23
!
hood
Member
Mon Mar 12 16:06:33
See, women may be the quickest to leave, but they're also fickle and won't stick to their choice.
murder
Member
Mon Mar 12 17:47:21

"What good is diversity if there isn’t free speech?"

That's a great question to ask all the groups that were excluded when the US adopted its Bill of Rights.

Without diversity, it isn't free speech, it's just your speech.

Paramount
Member
Mon Mar 12 18:04:41
I think murder just won this thread.
obaminated
Member
Mon Mar 12 18:40:29
"See, women may be the quickest to leave, but they're also fickle and won't stick to their choice."

tell that to my exes.


Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Mar 13 02:45:18
Murder is correct, if we were to accept that the value in what people have to say, is rooted in the kind of superficial ”diversity” like penis/vagina, white/black. It isn’t. In 2018 free speech is a universal right in the US and other places where there are free speech rights and it covers racist speech. You can use your rights to be a douchbag, murder has done this for his entire existence on UP.
hood
Member
Tue Mar 13 07:29:06
"Without diversity, it isn't free speech, it's just your speech."

Free speech isn't a whole bunch of voices, it is the right for any voice. There's no need to play off this diversity vs. free speech thing, because free speech already includes every US citizen.

There's nothing wrong with diversity. But free speech isn't at odds with it. It isn't really at odds with very much, except maybe tyrrany and societal subservient pressures. Is the drive for diversity using either of those mechanisms? If yes, then perhaps we have a problem with the method of implementation.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Mar 13 08:02:28
I think the answer lies in how willing the different groups are to debate the issues, in other words "talk" about the differences. There is one side that consistently uses shut down tactics and denial of speech, let alone engages in any debates. It is not right wingers and conservatives. Sadly it is almost exclusively coming from the left. There is literally no debate panel discussion on even remotely contentious topics that is not interrupted by the purple haired people with septum rings, it has become part of the gig. Label a speaker alt-right and they will show up banging on windows and pulling fire alarms.

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