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Rugian
Member
Tue Mar 13 10:21:21
Putin: Maybe Jews or minorities behind US election interference

By Madison Park, CNN

Updated 6:50 AM ET, Mon March 12, 2018

(CNN)Jewish groups are criticizing Russian President Vladimir Putin after he suggested Russian minorities such as Jews or Tatars could be behind alleged meddling in the 2016 US presidential election.

Putin was speaking with NBC News' Megyn Kelly as she repeatedly asked him about Russian involvement in the election. Last month, special counsel Robert Mueller indicted 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities for allegedly meddling in the 2016 presidential election, charging them with conspiracy to defraud the United States.

At one point, Putin suggested that other ethnic groups may have been involved.

"Maybe they're not even Russians," he said. "Maybe they're Ukrainians, Tatars, Jews, just with Russian citizenship. Even that needs to be checked. Maybe they have dual citizenship. Or maybe a green card. Maybe it was the Americans who paid them for this work. How do you know? I don't know."

Putin's comment caught the attention of the Anti-Defamation League.

"President Putin bizarrely has resorted to the blame game by pointing the finger at Jews and other minorities in his country," said Jonathan A. Greenblatt, CEO of the ADL, in a statement. "It is deeply disturbing to see the Russian president giving new life to classic anti-Semitic stereotypes that have plagued his country for hundreds of years."

Sen. Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut tweeted: "Repulsive Putin remark deserves to be denounced, soundly and promptly, by world leaders."

The American Jewish Committee tweeted: "President Putin suggesting that Russian Federation minorities, be they Ukrainian, Tatar, or Jewish, were behind U.S. election meddling is eerily reminiscent of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. He should clarify his comments at the earliest opportunity."

http://www...-russian-minorities/index.html
jergul
large member
Tue Mar 13 10:28:16
He is drawing on the Russian distinction between nationality and citizenship.

Russia has many nationalities. Jewish is one, Saami is another. And so forth

Disingenuous, as it is clear that Russian citizens, regardless of nationality are being blamed.

He nodded his head to that with the dual-citizenship bit.

A bit disingenuous to invoke the anti-Semitism card.
Rugian
Member
Tue Mar 13 10:41:00
jergul,

I believe we're in agreement. It was a blithering non-answer, but not anti-Semitic in nature.

This is politics though, which means that whenever you have a chance to manufacture a controversy...

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"After Putin Cites Jews, Democrats Implore Trump to Extradite Russians"

http://www...-interference-russia-jews.html
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Mar 13 10:42:01
I agree with jergul. Russocentric ethno-racism is enough for this one, no need for anti-antisemitism.
obaminated
Member
Tue Mar 13 10:55:06
Ah, classic russian, lets blame the jews and maybe start a pogrom.
jergul
large member
Tue Mar 13 11:02:32
Obam
That is classic Polish and Ukrainian. Those parts of the Russian Empire of the time (with the last pogrom in Poland in...drum-roll...1946!).
obaminated
Member
Tue Mar 13 11:11:50
You are righr jergul, silly me, russians dont commit mass atrocities.
jergul
large member
Tue Mar 13 11:16:46
Going by nationality as Russians see it. No, not very often. You may want to check out the nationalities of the people you might be thinking of.
Rugian
Member
Tue Mar 13 11:19:09
TIL: prolonged residency within the Arctic Circle is bad for the brain. Just stop, jergul.
jergul
large member
Tue Mar 13 11:25:53
Ruggy
You think Stalin was a Russian national, or would have been a Russian citizen if born were he was today?

The equivalent would be blaming Texas for Trump. Because he obviously is a Texan, despite not being a Texan.

obaminated
Member
Tue Mar 13 11:39:13
Americans generally accept the mistreatment of indians, jergul, we dont try to blame the spanish or the british.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Mar 13 12:06:49
This is all very relevant if Theresa May blamed Russians and not Russia. Did she?
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Mar 13 12:09:21
Megyn Kelly. I get my bitchez mixed yo.
Paramount
Member
Tue Mar 13 12:49:57
” Jews or Tatars could be behind alleged meddling in the 2016 US presidential election. ”

This is very likely. They are working on the orders from Netanyahu. Putin could probably present the evidence also.
Cthulhu
Tentacle Rapist
Tue Mar 13 13:14:10
To be fair to Putin, Trump is deregulating massively and has given deep tax cuts to the rich. Can anyone think of a minority he listed that might like that?
jergul
large member
Tue Mar 13 13:42:52
Obam
Do you accept that everyone should be incredibly distrustful of Americans because of wounded knee and nagasaki?
Forwyn
Member
Tue Mar 13 13:45:45
"meddling"

Is anyone else super tired of this word?

Such a generalist platitude, that sounds like something a scolding mother would say.
jergul
large member
Tue Mar 13 13:45:52
Nimi
Technically, yes. Russia is blamed because of Russians meddling. The scale indicative of government control (and a poor understanding of bots and scripts).

Putin is being a shrew about that. Who is to say what nationality or even what citizenship the bot masters might have.
jergul
large member
Tue Mar 13 13:46:52
Forwyn
The alternative word seems to be "attack".
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Mar 13 13:54:12
I am not interested in your technicalities lulzgul. The reporter is asking the Russian president about Russian involvement. It isn't some random guy walking the streets of Moscow.
jergul
large member
Tue Mar 13 14:03:39
Nimi
I don't care.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Mar 13 14:15:29
"attack"

Which seems even sillier, when the majority of accusations revolve around nothing more than astroturfing of social media.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Mar 13 14:18:27
There is nothing to "care about". I asked a question and you responded as expected with technicalities. Situation normal.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Mar 13 14:18:39
We just needed it on the record.
KreeL
Special Member
Wed Mar 14 20:59:29
I believe it was the jews Putin keeps in his closet.
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