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Sam Adams
Member Tue Mar 20 13:00:35
Blasted that latest school shooter. Pwnt.

Forwyn
Member Tue Mar 20 13:35:46
Stopped in under a minute. Shooter only death. Impressive.

This is how SROs are supposed to respond.

http://wto...gh-school-st-marys-co/slide/1/

Sam Adams
Member Tue Mar 20 13:43:09
Ya amazing what can be done when you dont hire a deserter.

McKobb
Member Tue Mar 20 16:54:38
Whether he killed himself or the SRO tagged him, early confrontation is the key to early resolution to these events.

Seb
Member Tue Mar 20 16:56:30
Yay. A shoot out between a cop and a student.

This is what a healthy school environment looks like!

Seb
Member Tue Mar 20 16:56:44
This is a system that is *working*.

McKobb
Member Tue Mar 20 17:54:29
Damn skippy!

murder
Member Tue Mar 20 20:20:29

Yeah, I don't think so. I think the shooter killed himself.

murder
Member Tue Mar 20 20:24:50

"Whether he killed himself or the SRO tagged him, early confrontation is the key to early resolution to these events."

More than likely this was an attempted murder/suicide with the girl as the target.

Also early reports in situations like this tend to be wrong ... and cops tend to oversell their role in stopping the gunman.

Forwyn
Member Tue Mar 20 20:50:51
This is a system that is *working*.

Elisha Burkill, 16, knifed Joy Simon, 61, in the face and chest at Winterton Community Academy, Scunthorpe.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-humber-42917662

Cherub Cow
Member Tue Mar 20 21:18:49
The UK is so completely screwed up. Arthur needs to rise from Atlantis and fix that wasteland.

Dukhat
Member Wed Mar 21 00:37:27
The kid only had a glock. If he had an AR-15 or one of the many derivatives, a minute is enough to kill like 30 people.

All a good person needs is a solid handgun and one bullet to kill a bad guy.

All a bad guy needs is a minute and the fastest-shooting weapon he can get.

Cherub Cow
Member Wed Mar 21 02:21:49
"If he had an AR-15 or one of the many derivatives, a minute is enough to kill like 30 people."

That's either an extreme exaggeration for effect or a hilarious overstatement of a person's ability to pull off such a task .. John Wick maybe XD

Dukhat
Member Wed Mar 21 09:05:07
http://www...utomatic-rifle-fire-per-minute

" ... the effective rate is about 90 rounds per minute, not counting the time it takes to aim."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting

"... a gunman opened fire on a crowd of concertgoers at the Route 91 Harvest music festival on the Las Vegas Strip in Nevada, leaving 58 people dead and 851 injured. Between 10:05 and 10:15 p.m. PDT, 64-year-old Stephen Paddock of Mesquite, Nevada, fired more than 1,100 rounds from his suite on the 32nd floor of the nearby Mandalay Bay hotel."

Do the fucking math.

Sam Adams
Member Wed Mar 21 09:13:11
"This is a system that is *working*."

Lol people who live in a country where the government does their speaking for them dont get to have opinions on anything.

Dukhat
Member Wed Mar 21 09:18:42
Versus Sam, where he repeats everything koch/mercer corporate media says to a "t" within hours of it being posted.

Here's a hint retard; they don't give a shit about any other issue than giving themselves a tax cut. So enjoy being manipulated like the emotional snowflake you are.

Sam Adams
Member Wed Mar 21 09:21:09
Seb allows muslims to run rampart around his country stabbing and blowing people up and complains about american security. Lol.

Sam Adams
Member Wed Mar 21 09:27:00
Cuckhat have you ever been right?

Forwyn
Member Wed Mar 21 10:19:14
Cuckhat pretends, or is ignorant, that you can get 30+ rd Glock mags.

He also pretends that the shooting scenario of a hallway stalker is similar in any way to an elevated crowd shooter.

Cherub Cow
Member Wed Mar 21 15:31:17
Also apparently 60 people in 10 minutes means 30 kills per minute? So 30(10)=60 ... yup! The math is good ;)

The Patriot
Member Wed Mar 21 17:26:06
So the the police officer did his job stopping a kid that came to shoot his girlfriend and himself over jealousy.

Mass shooting averted.

Dukhat
Member Wed Mar 21 20:10:37
@Forwyn - red herrings all over the place.

Main issue is how fast you can kill people. A 30-clip glock fired in full automatic would be like spraying shotgun pellets. Do you even counterstrike bro? And the accuracy would be less over distance. In most situations, the AR-15 or its derivative will be much faster for a variety of reasons. Focusing on the stupid-shit minutae gun nutters always focus on won't change that.

@Cherub Cow - Fucking retard. Had to double down on stupid. He injured/killed 900 people. Now you want to argue that people maimed or injured don't count or that they all couldn't easily have died?

FUck you retard.

Forwyn
Member Wed Mar 21 21:17:49
"A 30-clip glock fired in full automatic would be like spraying shotgun pellets."

Lol.

I can get a G-18 at Cabela's, right?

Oh wait, it's semi-auto only? Just like the AR-15?

Right.

Meanwhile, the deadliest school shooting in the US was perpetrated with pistols. Because, again, stalking the halls and classrooms is a far different tactical scenario than shooting into an open crowd.

Forwyn
Member Wed Mar 21 21:18:33
Should clarify on the G-18: It's LEO only, simply a selective fire version of the G-17.

You and I can get G-17's, semi-auto only.

Dukhat
Member Wed Mar 21 22:13:13
Anyways ignoring Forwyn's prepared NRA gaslighting some simple facts.

Shootings are up before and after the Assault Weapons Ban that Clinton implemented in 1994.

After it's end, casualties are up from mass shootings. The AR-15 is the main weapon of choice in all of the deadliest ones. And while, yes, part of it is due to copycat crimes; a big obvious reason is that the AR-15 (and its many derivatives) can fire faster and more stably with lethality versus other weapons.

So the short and easy way to decrease mass shootings is to decrease the ease with which AR-15-type weapons are acquired.

Now cute retard cuckservative arguments about how these kids would kill more with suicide bombings if they didn't have AR-15's and other stupid NRA bullshit.

Fucking retards.

Dukhat
Member Wed Mar 21 22:16:10
What makes you fucking retarded is noone is talking about seizing guns anyways; just making it harder for people to quickly buy the deadliest guns.

And the fucking cuckservatives always act like they will rise up in armed resistance to have to do something small like register their guns.

Fucking retarded NRA cock-suckers.

Forwyn
Member Wed Mar 21 22:36:57
It's "gaslighting" now to call out your fundamental misunderstandings about gun mechanics and their existing legality and availibility. Muh Counterstrike! Lmao

Forwyn
Member Wed Mar 21 22:38:49
"Four times the number of children were killed in schools in the early 1990s than today"

http://new...-for-children-researcher-says/

Sam Adams
Member Wed Mar 21 22:42:05
Did that retard cuckhat seriously try to use counterstrike in a gun argument?

Dukhat
Member Wed Mar 21 23:22:59
"Fox said, however, some policy changes aimed at decreasing school shootings and gun violence in general certainly have merit. Banning bump stocks and raising the age of purchase for assault rifles from 18 to 21 are good ideas, and may lead to a decrease in overall gun violence, he said. But he doesn’t believe these measures will prevent school shootings. “The thing to remember is that these are extremely rare events, and no matter what you can come up with to prevent it, the shooter will have a workaround,” Fox said, adding that over the past 35 years, there have been only five cases in which someone ages 18 to 20 used an assault rifle in a mass shooting."

From article you posted.

And again, the article doesn't dispute the facts I put out. Shootings were less during the ban and more before and after.

So congrats for basically just proving what I said.

It's nice to see we can come to an agreement when you agree to use at least somewhat credible sources instead of some NRA spambot bullshit.

Cherub Cow
Member Thu Mar 22 02:23:17
[Dukhat]: "Now you want to argue that people maimed or injured don't count or that they all couldn't easily have died?"

My original argument was basically asking if you were exaggerating for effect or if you really thought that an untrained person could kill 30 people in one minute. You seemed to have decided that you were not going to admit to exaggeration (which is really fucking weird, btw). So let's look again at your own words with emphasis added:

[Dukhat]: "If he had an AR-15 or one of the many derivatives, a minute is enough to [**KILL**] like 30 people."

You said, "Kill," not "maim", "injure", or "almost kill because maybe they could have died" — "kill". You then posted a stat which did not support your choice of the word "kill". Feel free now to admit that you were exaggerating. It's not a big deal.

The reality is that it's very difficult to make one kill every two seconds — even while spraying an area target — because, without good training, spray fire will not necessarily mean repeated kill shots (aiming might deteriorate, follow-on targets begin to move unpredictably, etc.). The stats you posted show this: lots of injured people, but nowhere near one kill every two seconds.

If you now want to deflect by debating the morality of whether the actual math of kill/time was still bad in that shooting, just keep in mind that I was casually making fun of your phrasing.. and since you didn't admit to exaggeration, making fun was with good reason as it turns out?

Hot Rod
Revved Up Thu Mar 22 07:19:02

Good Show!!!!!

Dukhat
Member Thu Mar 22 10:21:55
Cherub proving retards don't have any clue. Posting tons of shit only makes you more of a retard since you don't know how to focus on what matters.

The Vegas guy killed/injured 900 people in 10 minutes. And you want to argue over whether someone died or was only maimed to meet your "30 deaths per second is exaggerated" criteria.

Fucking retard.

TJ
Member Thu Mar 22 11:54:32
"The Vegas guy killed/injured 900 people in 10 minutes."

58 killed
489 injured According to news reports I've read.

900-547=353 imaginary injuries actually don't count.

It was disastrous enough without exaggerating.

Where did you get 900?

TJ
Member Thu Mar 22 12:46:20
Ok

It looks as though you may have retrieved that number from:

http://www...gas-massacre-article-1.3586937

Did you actually read the article or just pick the number from the URL?

One more point on this subject.

22,000 attended that music festival and I'm left wondering how many of the 489 injuries were caused by the stampede when the crowd realized what was happening. I'd imagine a considerable portion.

Dukhat
Member Thu Mar 22 12:52:15
Now TJ is here to join the typical cuckservative circle jerk.

I linked the wikipedia article that has the number you stupid shit. Now you want to project your own stupidity with your own made-up link.

Cuckservatives are so stupid, no wonder they're unable to get dates anymore.

TJ
Member Thu Mar 22 13:00:33
You linked an article about what the firearm was capable of doing and that has absolutely nothing to do with my posts.

You said and what I questioned was: v

"The Vegas guy killed/injured 900 people in 10 minutes."

Hot Rod
Revved Up Thu Mar 22 14:13:46

"The 2017 Las Vegas shooting occurred on the night of Sunday, October 1 when a gunman opened fire on a crowd of concertgoers at the Route 91 Harvest music festival on the Las Vegas Strip in Nevada, leaving 58 people dead and 851 injured."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting

TJ, it was the second link in the same post so it did not show up in blue. Plus he forgot to remove the 'S'.

TJ
Member Thu Mar 22 14:22:26
Yes, I know it was the second link, but thanks.

If anyone wishes to persuade me that the preliminary police report was accurate provide other sources that verify. I'll accept and read any report that verifies the wiki article that used the preliminary 1_October_FIT_Report_01-18-2018_Footnoted.pdf.

I have been unable to verify the wiki article with any other news agency reporting on the web or otherwise. I'd appreciate anyone supplying if available. This isn't a partisan issue for me. It is a factual one and I don't mind if I'm wrong.

From the information I've been able to find the most liberal news agencies have not reported a number near 900.

It is one of the reasons I was wondering about the number of injuries from the stampede in a crowd of 22k.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Thu Mar 22 19:19:35

Sorry, I didn't know you had seen it. It is easy enough to miss.

Cherub Cow
Member Thu Mar 22 20:42:26
[Dukhat]: "The Vegas guy killed/injured 900 people in 10 minutes. And you want to argue over whether someone died or was only maimed to meet your '30 deaths per second is exaggerated' criteria."

*My* criteria? I was quoting something that you yourself said. You yourself in your chosen word which you wrote on this forum which is plain to see for anyone and which defined *your* criteria was "kill" — and then, like I already pointed out, you *afterwards* backed up to "maim", "injure", or "almost kill because maybe they could have died"...

..
[Dukhat]: "Cherub ... you don't know how to focus on what matters."

So this is disappointing. As predicted, you decided "to deflect by debating the morality of whether the actual math of kill/time was still bad in that shooting". This makes me wonder if Dukhat is a Seb multi, since Seb's ego also prevents any intellectual honesty when Seb is confronted with contradictory information.

What is so difficult about saying, "Yes, I was exaggerating. My point was simply that a shooter can do a lot of damage quickly, and that that's a problem to me"? Why do you find it necessary to deflect or avoid the simple fact that you were exaggerating? You don't lose anything by being honest, whereas Sebbing with intellectual dishonesty just further makes this multi a joke... but maybe that's the point I should accept (your own joke here).

Dukhat
Member Thu Mar 22 20:58:36
@CherubCow - I don't care what you say retard. You already would've lost the argument in the court of law from your first statement. Tired of arguing with drive-thru employees that have the logical faculties of a high-school dropout.

Cherub Cow
Member Thu Mar 22 21:22:22
Now you've evolved to..: no evidence given to support your new claim (how I would have lost in a farcical court scenario) and two baseless ad hominems... lol.. This was productive! Thanks! ;D

Sam Adams
Member Fri Mar 23 22:13:51
Cuckhat tried to use counterstrike as a source of gun info. End of discussion.

Dukhat
Member Fri Mar 23 22:17:09
Trying to get the last word with your shitty arguments like you've won. Must need the false validation of flipping burgers.

Dukhat
Member Fri Mar 23 22:17:15
all day*

obaminated
Member Fri Mar 23 22:46:05
It's astounding how narcissistic cuckhat is. You just did what you are accusing CC of doing.

murder
Member Tue Mar 27 09:30:45

The St. Mary's Sheriff's office finally came clean and admitted that the shooter committed suicide.

So the good guy with a gun that stopped the bad guy with a gun, turned out to be the bad guy with a gun.

As predicted.

Why there was 6 days of coverup is anyone's guess.

Forwyn
Member Tue Mar 27 13:01:09
Largely irrelevant. Many shooters commit suicide when engaged.

The speed of engagement is key, not who fired the kill shot.

TJ
Member Tue Mar 27 13:57:14
^

murder
Member Tue Mar 27 14:18:59

It's very relevant because for a solid week the police ran a con pretending that a school resource officer had averted a mass shooting, when at best he kept the kid from leaving the school grounds.

The cop saved zero lives.

The police pull this shit all the time. It is immediately apparent when someone blows their own head off.

Tj
Member Tue Mar 27 14:55:14
http://www...-shooter-took-his-own-life.php

"The St. Mary's County Sheriff's Office said in a statement that 17-year-old Austin Rollins fired a fatal shot to his head just as he encountered sheriff's deputy Blaine Gaskill. The shot fired by Gaskill struck the gun in Rollins' hand, the sheriff's office added."

Go figure why the police department would spread information that would later be discovered as false.

murder
Member Tue Mar 27 18:46:29

Because the cop is a lousy shot?

TJ
Member Tue Mar 27 19:10:53
Yeah, probably so. If he'd hit the barrel of the handgun he'd been on the mark and possibly saved the the murderer before he offed himself. Glad he missed.

Dukhat
Member Wed Mar 28 01:45:18
Wouldn't blame the cop. At least he did something unlike the turd at the other high school. Hitting a moving target under pressure is extremely difficult. The cop has to worry about only hitting the intended target and minimizing collateral damage among many other things while firing.

The shooter only cares about maximum damage.

But such subtleties are lost on this board anyways.

"MUH GUNS!"

murder
Member Fri Mar 30 18:03:19

TJ: You are kidding right? Cops don't shoot at guns or hands or even skulls unless they have reason to believe that the perp is wearing body armor.

And it wouldn't have mattered what he hit, because the bullet was in the perps head before the cops bullet arrived.

TJ
Member Fri Mar 30 18:16:34
Yes, I was kidding.

The shots were made and one jealously disturbed kid, as well as, a little girl are dead. More sad consequences of kids vulnerability.

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Sam Adams Member	Tue Mar 20 13:00:35 Blasted that latest school shooter. Pwnt.
Forwyn Member	Tue Mar 20 13:35:46 Stopped in under a minute. Shooter only death. Impressive. This is how SROs are supposed to respond. http://wto...gh-school-st-marys-co/slide/1/
Sam Adams Member	Tue Mar 20 13:43:09 Ya amazing what can be done when you dont hire a deserter.
McKobb Member	Tue Mar 20 16:54:38 Whether he killed himself or the SRO tagged him, early confrontation is the key to early resolution to these events.
Seb Member	Tue Mar 20 16:56:30 Yay. A shoot out between a cop and a student. This is what a healthy school environment looks like!
Seb Member	Tue Mar 20 16:56:44 *This is a system that is working.*
McKobb Member	Tue Mar 20 17:54:29 Damn skippy!
murder Member	Tue Mar 20 20:20:29 Yeah, I don't think so. I think the shooter killed himself.
murder Member	Tue Mar 20 20:24:50 "Whether he killed himself or the SRO tagged him, early confrontation is the key to early resolution to these events." More than likely this was an attempted murder/suicide with the girl as the target. Also early reports in situations like this tend to be wrong ... and cops tend to oversell their role in stopping the gunman.
Forwyn Member	Tue Mar 20 20:50:51 This is a system that is working. Elisha Burkill, 16, knifed Joy Simon, 61, in the face and chest at Winterton Community Academy, Scunthorpe. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-humber-42917662
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Mar 20 21:18:49 The UK is so completely screwed up. Arthur needs to rise from Atlantis and fix that wasteland.
Dukhat Member	Wed Mar 21 00:37:27 The kid only had a glock. If he had an AR-15 or one of the many derivatives, a minute is enough to kill like 30 people. All a good person needs is a solid handgun and one bullet to kill a bad guy. All a bad guy needs is a minute and the fastest-shooting weapon he can get.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Mar 21 02:21:49 "If he had an AR-15 or one of the many derivatives, a minute is enough to kill like 30 people." That's either an extreme exaggeration for effect or a hilarious overstatement of a person's ability to pull off such a task .. John Wick maybe XD
Dukhat Member	Wed Mar 21 09:05:07 http://www...utomatic-rifle-fire-per-minute " ... the effective rate is about 90 rounds per minute, not counting the time it takes to aim." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting "... a gunman opened fire on a crowd of concertgoers at the Route 91 Harvest music festival on the Las Vegas Strip in Nevada, leaving 58 people dead and 851 injured. Between 10:05 and 10:15 p.m. PDT, 64-year-old Stephen Paddock of Mesquite, Nevada, fired more than 1,100 rounds from his suite on the 32nd floor of the nearby Mandalay Bay hotel." Do the fucking math.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Mar 21 09:13:11 "This is a system that is working." Lol people who live in a country where the government does their speaking for them dont get to have opinions on anything.
Dukhat Member	Wed Mar 21 09:18:42 Versus Sam, where he repeats everything koch/mercer corporate media says to a "t" within hours of it being posted. Here's a hint retard; they don't give a shit about any other issue than giving themselves a tax cut. So enjoy being manipulated like the emotional snowflake you are.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Mar 21 09:21:09 Seb allows muslims to run rampart around his country stabbing and blowing people up and complains about american security. Lol.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Mar 21 09:27:00 Cuckhat have you ever been right?
Forwyn Member	Wed Mar 21 10:19:14 Cuckhat pretends, or is ignorant, that you can get 30+ rd Glock mags. He also pretends that the shooting scenario of a hallway stalker is similar in any way to an elevated crowd shooter.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Mar 21 15:31:17 Also apparently 60 people in 10 minutes means 30 kills per minute? So 30(10)=60 ... yup! The math is good ;)
The Patriot Member	Wed Mar 21 17:26:06 So the the police officer did his job stopping a kid that came to shoot his girlfriend and himself over jealousy. Mass shooting averted.
Dukhat Member	Wed Mar 21 20:10:37 @Forwyn - red herrings all over the place. Main issue is how fast you can kill people. A 30-clip glock fired in full automatic would be like spraying shotgun pellets. Do you even counterstrike bro? And the accuracy would be less over distance. In most situations, the AR-15 or its derivative will be much faster for a variety of reasons. Focusing on the stupid-shit minutae gun nutters always focus on won't change that. @Cherub Cow - Fucking retard. Had to double down on stupid. He injured/killed 900 people. Now you want to argue that people maimed or injured don't count or that they all couldn't easily have died? FUck you retard.
Forwyn Member	Wed Mar 21 21:17:49 "A 30-clip glock fired in full automatic would be like spraying shotgun pellets." Lol. I can get a G-18 at Cabela's, right? Oh wait, it's semi-auto only? Just like the AR-15? Right. Meanwhile, the deadliest school shooting in the US was perpetrated with pistols. Because, again, stalking the halls and classrooms is a far different tactical scenario than shooting into an open crowd.
Forwyn Member	Wed Mar 21 21:18:33 Should clarify on the G-18: It's LEO only, simply a selective fire version of the G-17. You and I can get G-17's, semi-auto only.
Dukhat Member	Wed Mar 21 22:13:13 Anyways ignoring Forwyn's prepared NRA gaslighting some simple facts. Shootings are up before and after the Assault Weapons Ban that Clinton implemented in 1994. After it's end, casualties are up from mass shootings. The AR-15 is the main weapon of choice in all of the deadliest ones. And while, yes, part of it is due to copycat crimes; a big obvious reason is that the AR-15 (and its many derivatives) can fire faster and more stably with lethality versus other weapons. So the short and easy way to decrease mass shootings is to decrease the ease with which AR-15-type weapons are acquired. Now cute retard cuckservative arguments about how these kids would kill more with suicide bombings if they didn't have AR-15's and other stupid NRA bullshit. Fucking retards.
Dukhat Member	Wed Mar 21 22:16:10 What makes you fucking retarded is noone is talking about seizing guns anyways; just making it harder for people to quickly buy the deadliest guns. And the fucking cuckservatives always act like they will rise up in armed resistance to have to do something small like register their guns. Fucking retarded NRA cock-suckers.
Forwyn Member	Wed Mar 21 22:36:57 It's "gaslighting" now to call out your fundamental misunderstandings about gun mechanics and their existing legality and availibility. Muh Counterstrike! Lmao
Forwyn Member	Wed Mar 21 22:38:49 "Four times the number of children were killed in schools in the early 1990s than today" http://new...-for-children-researcher-says/
Sam Adams Member	Wed Mar 21 22:42:05 Did that retard cuckhat seriously try to use counterstrike in a gun argument?
Dukhat Member	Wed Mar 21 23:22:59 "Fox said, however, some policy changes aimed at decreasing school shootings and gun violence in general certainly have merit. Banning bump stocks and raising the age of purchase for assault rifles from 18 to 21 are good ideas, and may lead to a decrease in overall gun violence, he said. But he doesn’t believe these measures will prevent school shootings. “The thing to remember is that these are extremely rare events, and no matter what you can come up with to prevent it, the shooter will have a workaround,” Fox said, adding that over the past 35 years, there have been only five cases in which someone ages 18 to 20 used an assault rifle in a mass shooting." From article you posted. And again, the article doesn't dispute the facts I put out. Shootings were less during the ban and more before and after. So congrats for basically just proving what I said. It's nice to see we can come to an agreement when you agree to use at least somewhat credible sources instead of some NRA spambot bullshit.
Cherub Cow Member	Thu Mar 22 02:23:17 [Dukhat]: "Now you want to argue that people maimed or injured don't count or that they all couldn't easily have died?" My original argument was basically asking if you were exaggerating for effect or if you really thought that an untrained person could kill 30 people in one minute. You seemed to have decided that you were not going to admit to exaggeration (which is really fucking weird, btw). So let's look again at your own words with emphasis added: [Dukhat]: "If he had an AR-15 or one of the many derivatives, a minute is enough to [KILL] like 30 people." You said, "Kill," not "maim", "injure", or "almost kill because maybe they could have died" — "kill". You then posted a stat which did not support your choice of the word "kill". Feel free now to admit that you were exaggerating. It's not a big deal. The reality is that it's very difficult to make one kill every two seconds — even while spraying an area target — because, without good training, spray fire will not necessarily mean repeated kill shots (aiming might deteriorate, follow-on targets begin to move unpredictably, etc.). The stats you posted show this: lots of injured people, but nowhere near one kill every two seconds. If you now want to deflect by debating the morality of whether the actual math of kill/time was still bad in that shooting, just keep in mind that I was casually making fun of your phrasing.. and since you didn't admit to exaggeration, making fun was with good reason as it turns out?
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Mar 22 07:19:02 Good Show!!!!!
Dukhat Member	Thu Mar 22 10:21:55 Cherub proving retards don't have any clue. Posting tons of shit only makes you more of a retard since you don't know how to focus on what matters. The Vegas guy killed/injured 900 people in 10 minutes. And you want to argue over whether someone died or was only maimed to meet your "30 deaths per second is exaggerated" criteria. Fucking retard.
TJ Member	Thu Mar 22 11:54:32 "The Vegas guy killed/injured 900 people in 10 minutes." 58 killed 489 injured According to news reports I've read. 900-547=353 imaginary injuries actually don't count. It was disastrous enough without exaggerating. Where did you get 900?
TJ Member	Thu Mar 22 12:46:20 Ok It looks as though you may have retrieved that number from: http://www...gas-massacre-article-1.3586937 Did you actually read the article or just pick the number from the URL? One more point on this subject. 22,000 attended that music festival and I'm left wondering how many of the 489 injuries were caused by the stampede when the crowd realized what was happening. I'd imagine a considerable portion.
Dukhat Member	Thu Mar 22 12:52:15 Now TJ is here to join the typical cuckservative circle jerk. I linked the wikipedia article that has the number you stupid shit. Now you want to project your own stupidity with your own made-up link. Cuckservatives are so stupid, no wonder they're unable to get dates anymore.
TJ Member	Thu Mar 22 13:00:33 You linked an article about what the firearm was capable of doing and that has absolutely nothing to do with my posts. You said and what I questioned was: v "The Vegas guy killed/injured 900 people in 10 minutes."
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Mar 22 14:13:46 "The 2017 Las Vegas shooting occurred on the night of Sunday, October 1 when a gunman opened fire on a crowd of concertgoers at the Route 91 Harvest music festival on the Las Vegas Strip in Nevada, leaving 58 people dead and 851 injured." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting TJ, it was the second link in the same post so it did not show up in blue. Plus he forgot to remove the 'S'.
TJ Member	Thu Mar 22 14:22:26 Yes, I know it was the second link, but thanks. If anyone wishes to persuade me that the preliminary police report was accurate provide other sources that verify. I'll accept and read any report that verifies the wiki article that used the preliminary 1_October_FIT_Report_01-18-2018_Footnoted.pdf. I have been unable to verify the wiki article with any other news agency reporting on the web or otherwise. I'd appreciate anyone supplying if available. This isn't a partisan issue for me. It is a factual one and I don't mind if I'm wrong. From the information I've been able to find the most liberal news agencies have not reported a number near 900. It is one of the reasons I was wondering about the number of injuries from the stampede in a crowd of 22k.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Mar 22 19:19:35 Sorry, I didn't know you had seen it. It is easy enough to miss.
Cherub Cow Member	Thu Mar 22 20:42:26 [Dukhat]: "The Vegas guy killed/injured 900 people in 10 minutes. And you want to argue over whether someone died or was only maimed to meet your '30 deaths per second is exaggerated' criteria." My criteria? I was quoting something that you yourself said. You yourself in your chosen word which you wrote on this forum which is plain to see for anyone and which defined your criteria was "kill" — and then, like I already pointed out, you afterwards backed up to "maim", "injure", or "almost kill because maybe they could have died"... .. [Dukhat]: "Cherub ... you don't know how to focus on what matters." So this is disappointing. As predicted, you decided "to deflect by debating the morality of whether the actual math of kill/time was still bad in that shooting". This makes me wonder if Dukhat is a Seb multi, since Seb's ego also prevents any intellectual honesty when Seb is confronted with contradictory information. What is so difficult about saying, "Yes, I was exaggerating. My point was simply that a shooter can do a lot of damage quickly, and that that's a problem to me"? Why do you find it necessary to deflect or avoid the simple fact that you were exaggerating? You don't lose anything by being honest, whereas Sebbing with intellectual dishonesty just further makes this multi a joke... but maybe that's the point I should accept (your own joke here).
Dukhat Member	Thu Mar 22 20:58:36 @CherubCow - I don't care what you say retard. You already would've lost the argument in the court of law from your first statement. Tired of arguing with drive-thru employees that have the logical faculties of a high-school dropout.
Cherub Cow Member	Thu Mar 22 21:22:22 Now you've evolved to..: no evidence given to support your new claim (how I would have lost in a farcical court scenario) and two baseless ad hominems... lol.. This was productive! Thanks! ;D
Sam Adams Member	Fri Mar 23 22:13:51 Cuckhat tried to use counterstrike as a source of gun info. End of discussion.
Dukhat Member	Fri Mar 23 22:17:09 Trying to get the last word with your shitty arguments like you've won. Must need the false validation of flipping burgers.
Dukhat Member	Fri Mar 23 22:17:15 all day*
obaminated Member	Fri Mar 23 22:46:05 It's astounding how narcissistic cuckhat is. You just did what you are accusing CC of doing.
murder Member	Tue Mar 27 09:30:45 The St. Mary's Sheriff's office finally came clean and admitted that the shooter committed suicide. So the good guy with a gun that stopped the bad guy with a gun, turned out to be the bad guy with a gun. As predicted. Why there was 6 days of coverup is anyone's guess.
Forwyn Member	Tue Mar 27 13:01:09 Largely irrelevant. Many shooters commit suicide when engaged. The speed of engagement is key, not who fired the kill shot.
TJ Member	Tue Mar 27 13:57:14 ^
murder Member	Tue Mar 27 14:18:59 It's very relevant because for a solid week the police ran a con pretending that a school resource officer had averted a mass shooting, when at best he kept the kid from leaving the school grounds. The cop saved zero lives. The police pull this shit all the time. It is immediately apparent when someone blows their own head off.
Tj Member	Tue Mar 27 14:55:14 http://www...-shooter-took-his-own-life.php "The St. Mary's County Sheriff's Office said in a statement that 17-year-old Austin Rollins fired a fatal shot to his head just as he encountered sheriff's deputy Blaine Gaskill. The shot fired by Gaskill struck the gun in Rollins' hand, the sheriff's office added." Go figure why the police department would spread information that would later be discovered as false.
murder Member	Tue Mar 27 18:46:29 Because the cop is a lousy shot?
TJ Member	Tue Mar 27 19:10:53 Yeah, probably so. If he'd hit the barrel of the handgun he'd been on the mark and possibly saved the the murderer before he offed himself. Glad he missed.
Dukhat Member	Wed Mar 28 01:45:18 Wouldn't blame the cop. At least he did something unlike the turd at the other high school. Hitting a moving target under pressure is extremely difficult. The cop has to worry about only hitting the intended target and minimizing collateral damage among many other things while firing. The shooter only cares about maximum damage. But such subtleties are lost on this board anyways. "MUH GUNS!"
murder Member	Fri Mar 30 18:03:19 TJ: You are kidding right? Cops don't shoot at guns or hands or even skulls unless they have reason to believe that the perp is wearing body armor. And it wouldn't have mattered what he hit, because the bullet was in the perps head before the cops bullet arrived.
TJ Member	Fri Mar 30 18:16:34 Yes, I was kidding. The shots were made and one jealously disturbed kid, as well as, a little girl are dead. More sad consequences of kids vulnerability.
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