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Thu Mar 29 14:53:46
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43587230

A Fox News host has apologised to a student who survived a Florida high school shooting that claimed 17 lives after accusing him of whining.

Several firms have answered David Hogg's call for a boycott of Laura Ingraham's show after she taunted him.

In an interview this week, the 17-year-old activist said four universities had rejected his applications.

The teenager has been a target of online abuse since the 14 February shooting in Parkland.

Ms Ingraham tweeted about him on Wednesday: "David Hogg Rejected By Four Colleges To Which He Applied and whines about it."

Parkland students targeted with smears
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David, who gave a speech at last weekend's March for Our Lives gun-control protest, later tweeted: "Soooo @IngrahamAngle what are your biggest advertisers ... Asking for a friend. #BoycottIngramAdverts".

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He later posted the names of 12 companies, encouraging his 611,000 Twitter followers to contact them.

One of the firms, Nutrish, replied to his tweet, pledging to remove its commercials from Ms Ingraham's programme.

Wayfair, a homeware retailer, and TripAdvisor, a travel website, also said they were pulling ads from the Fox show.

A TripAdvisor spokesperson said in a statement that Ms Ingraham's comments "cross the line of decency".

Wayfair said "the decision of an adult to personally criticise a high school student who has lost his classmates in an unspeakable tragedy is not consistent with our values".

On Thursday, the Fox presenter struck a conciliatory tone, praising David's grades.
Paramount
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Thu Mar 29 15:11:15
Fox News and those people there are getting sicker by every day. I think everyone at Fox News needs to seek professional help. Sick people.
Rugian
Member
Thu Mar 29 15:29:48
*Non-triggering intensifies*
TJ
Member
Thu Mar 29 15:36:49
Too many people make decisions on their emotions. The best offense and defense requires critical thinking. Doing so does not eliminate error altogether, but it is reduced to a more desirable platform.

Adults taking advantage of emotion to forward an agenda aren't the least bit interested in the welfare of children.
Sam Adams
Member
Thu Mar 29 15:43:48
So these little shits hate free speech and guns. What other rights shall we get rid of to pacify a few crying kids?
Rugian
Member
Thu Mar 29 15:50:32
To be fair, they seem to have a healthy respect for the right to privacy. What was that complaint about transparent backpacks again? Oh right, that it was unfair to punish a large group of people based on the actions of a single individual.

rofl
State Department
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Thu Mar 29 16:15:52
"Wayfair, a homeware retailer"

But known mostly for ridiculous commercials that get stuck in your head.
Sam Adams
Member
Thu Mar 29 16:46:33
Boycott wayfair
obaminated
Member
Thu Mar 29 17:38:28
to be fair, these are the leftist students, plenty of parkland students disagree with this shithead, the media just don't give them free air time.
patom
Member
Thu Mar 29 17:47:47
I have a feeling that the more these right wing assholes attack the teens the more credibility they give the teens.
These kids aren't running for President or any office, yet. If and when they do, they will be a lot tougher. Having gone through not only a shooting but also a railroading by the right wing.
Rugian
Member
Thu Mar 29 18:23:19
Yeah, they've sure gotten a railroading, what with establishment media endlessly parading them around like they're more important than MLK himself. Not all of the kids mind you, just the ones who are pro-gun control. But those pro-gun control kids, man. I'm sure they've really been through the fire, what with every TV news outlet that isn't Fox putting them on one of the most unwarranted pedestals in modern history, as useful idiots who can spout anti-gun propaganda for the left. Poor vapid mouthpiec-...er, kids.
obaminated
Member
Thu Mar 29 18:51:41
"Railroaded" - translation: daring to question the logic and intelligence of a 17 year old's cries for unconstitutional solutions to an issue that wouldn't be a thing if regulations and existing laws had been enforced.
obaminated
Member
Thu Mar 29 18:53:04
I will say this though, Hogg is going to have a rough time transitioning to having to earn air time in a month or two. He can coast off this issue on twitter for a few months though.
TJ
Member
Thu Mar 29 19:36:56
Tom:
You seem to think they should be protected from adulthood

If you believe they aren't responsible enough to drink or purchase a weapon what makes you think they are responsible enough to vote in elections and fight in wars. Did you have any knowledge of these kids before being paraded in the national media?

What is happening isn't organized by them. They are free targets provided by the left and then when they catch crap it is all about oh those poor children by the left. Madness...
patom
Member
Fri Mar 30 07:55:27
If you are going to attack HS kids. Attack them with facts and the truth.
Using photo shopped pictures and blatant lies does nothing for your argument but make you look like a bully. If that is all you have in your adult arsenal then you are going to lose the war.
Dukhat
Member
Fri Mar 30 08:40:30
Rugian and obaminated are so sexually frustrated lol. You have to have money to get laid whe you have beliefs that fucking stupid.
obaminated
Member
Fri Mar 30 09:39:47
I think cuckhat is projecting a smidge.
TJ
Member
Fri Mar 30 10:49:01
Tom, you are retired now.

The word they is such a non descriptive word. You've generalized the entire situation. Not everyone is far right or far left.

Let me demonstrate: They are not just high school kids. They are an organized activist drama group being used as pawns.

Would you rather that those who attack them stop their freedom of speech with an angry mob starting fires and turning over cars tearing the hell out of things to force change? I'd say photo shopping pictures is a rather mild option to get a point across not that I would condone either position.

I'd wager these kids don't even organize their room provided them at home. They don't know the responsibilities of independence at this point in their lives. Nearly everything they have has been provided including a national podium and the right to vote for nefarious reason.

Have you raised any children from birth into adulthood? These kids haven't even completed High School which is a basic education yet those who support their inexperience seem to have complete trust in their judgment and then say they are just High School students. They are pawns for an adult agenda. The far left should be ashamed of themselves yet you hold them shameless on this subject.

I will say once again. It is a mad, mad, mad world. You should stop protecting them because they are just HS children. Disgusting people are everywhere in this world and individuals can do extreme harm with technology.

Those are facts with an opinion fully clarified that no one can alter. Blame the far left for setting them up to be abused above what they have already subjected them.
patom
Member
Fri Mar 30 14:25:06
I don't condone anyone creating photo shopped images that are lies. The photo of the girl supposedly ripping up the Constitution was an example. Proven fake.
The other meme saying the other kid was a paid actor. Has been proven to be fake.
When you lie to get your point across you have lost me.
Just like the Twitterman's constant lies. I don't believe anything he spews.

I'm retired. What the hell has that got to do with attacking HS kids with lies? If I was still working full time that still would not make it anything to be proud of or condone.

I also am old enough to know that NOTHING will change. Not this time or the next time or possibly the time after that. The gun manufacturers have paid for their whores in congress and are still getting their services.

I also realize that mental health will not be addressed other than giving it lip service and neither party is willing to invest anything other than empty words to it.

I realized that after Sandy-hook when all those babies were slaughtered. We as a nation think more of our guns (I also own guns). Than we do of protecting children.

Of all the suggestions after the Parkland slaughter. The one proposed that might save some lives and wouldn't cost the tax payers hardly anything was to put buckets of rocks in every classroom. Sounds crazy doesn't it?
To me what sounds crazy is for the kids to be told to huddle in a tight ball and be quiet. They should be instructed in throwing skills and tell them to fight for their lives by scattering and throw as many rocks as they can at anyone pointing a gun at them. At least they won't cost the tax payer much money and may very well take out any gunman. Go to your nearest rock quarry and see what it cost for a ton of 3" crushed rock. Pick some up and see whether you would like to be on the receiving end of 10 to 20 people throwing these at you?

Of course the NRA or their financial backers wouldn't make any money from a crazy plan like that.
TJ
Member
Fri Mar 30 14:48:36
It seems you've missed the entire point of my post.

To politicize the emotions of dependent children is the most unforgivable.
Dukhat
Member
Fri Mar 30 14:59:46
TJ is mentally deranged. Rank, naked narcissism.

Dukhat
Member
Fri Mar 30 15:01:38
There is seriously wrong with the remaining cuckservatives on this board. Too much exposure to the internet, Cambridge Analytica ads, Russian bots, and a complete lack of socialization.

The elaborate stories you spin to avoid admitting that your world view may be wrong is fucking ridiculous.
TJ
Member
Fri Mar 30 15:06:08
Look in the mirror Mr. Narcissist. lmao

You are the perfect example of radical insolence with the display of your superiority complex.
Dukhat
Member
Fri Mar 30 15:07:26
I have nothing to prove to a retard. Go seek mental help.

SERIOUSLY. GO NOW.
Dukhat
Member
Fri Mar 30 15:11:07
You made stupid shit you fucking retard. These kids of their own volition became activists. You're stuck in your fucking brain-dead echo chamber that you think they are somehow pawns.

You are a reactionary imbecile that knows a few more words than the typical retard. There is no far-left. Just kids who went through something tragic and decided they would do something about it.

I know it's hard for you to fathom as useless, eocnomically helpless degenerate; but the world belongs to future generations now. Brain dead gun nutters like you who cry about the far-left and elaborate conspiracy theories are already being crushed by demographic change.

Welcome to the future you fucking moron. You've already consigned yourself to the dustbin.
TJ
Member
Fri Mar 30 15:12:54
Keep proving my point.
Dukhat
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Fri Mar 30 15:13:54
Can't win the argument, join the bandwagon. Typical cuckservative coward.
TJ
Member
Fri Mar 30 15:18:24
Its not about winning something to me, but it for you I can see.
hood
Member
Fri Mar 30 15:24:21
"These kids haven't even completed High School which is a basic education yet those who support their inexperience seem to have complete trust in their judgment and then say they are just High School students."

This is just blatantly false. People are not supporting the kids because of trust in judgment but because their beliefs on the issue align.
TJ
Member
Fri Mar 30 15:53:29
Hood, Good point.

Why do they need the kids who have just experienced a horrendous incident to be their spoke persons to forward the agenda? Surely they are competent enough to do it on their own. I don't have a problem with the kids.

I do have a disdain for radicals left and right that verbally and physically attack opposing views. No one in their right mind would be pleased with the death of children, especially by one of their own school. There is gun legislation I approve of and expressed it many times. Not everyone who owns guns and wish to preserve that right are nuts.
hood
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Fri Mar 30 16:34:19
"Why do they need the kids who have just experienced a horrendous incident to be their spoke persons to forward the agenda?"

It isn't a need. The kids have taken it upon themselves to be spokespeople. Their message comes with powerful emotional pulls.


"Surely they are competent enough to do it on their own."

And normally they do. But a smart person will use whichever tool is best for the job at hand. 18 year old kids who survived tragedy is a pretty good hearts and minds tool. It just makes sense to let them have their spotlight while they're still relevant.


"I do have a disdain for radicals left and right that verbally and physically attack opposing views. ... Not everyone who owns guns and wish to preserve that right are nuts."

If this is a reference to Dukhat, just kindly ignore him. His superpower is being wrong.
TJ
Member
Fri Mar 30 17:13:23
"It just makes sense to let them have their spotlight while they're still relevant."

They should always be relevant and it's the duty of parents to protect them when possible.

Clearly smart is a subjective matter and beliefs change as we experience additional independence.

Individuals like Dukhat only harden positions against reasonable weapons control. They thrive on drama and related mentally. So no, it wasn't only a reference to him.
Dukhat
Member
Sat Mar 31 01:45:27
You spew a lot of nonsense to hide the fact that you clearly and deliberately repeated the lie that these kids are somehow pawns of the media or far left. This is a far-right talking point that noone buys as evidenced by the fact corporate sponsors abandoned laura ingram for her attacks on one student.

She used much of the same arguments you did.

And pray tell what gun control do you support mr. Obfuscator extraordinaire. Lots of nra gun nutters constantly gaslight that thy support "gun control that works" and then turn around and oppose anything that actually works.

Universal background checks, closung of loopholes, a wide-ranging assault weapons ban, and gun buybacks would all be good.

But at the end of the day, almost all gun nutterd oppose all of these things because they don't believe in legitimate evidence-based policy.

It's all fucking gaslighting. And as laura ingram has shown it's no longer working.
Forwyn
Member
Sat Mar 31 03:00:07
"loopholes"
"assault weapons"
"buybacks"

lol cuckhat
patom
Member
Sat Mar 31 04:26:13
"To politicize the emotions of dependent children is the most unforgivable."

You are right. To create bald faced lies (politicize) about children who have honest emotions is unforgivable.
TJ
Member
Sat Mar 31 09:52:54
Tom who provided the opportunity? In other words using the smartest tools for the job. Not my words.

I just hope their spotlight keeps them all safe from some nut who is deluded enough to strike at them personally. I'm sure they have tons of security to keep them safe since their entire biography is now broadcast to the world.

Yes, people create all sorts of things in their mind like kids that shoot up schools.

I guess as long as they believe in their cause strongly enough it would be worth it to jeopardize their lives, eh? After all, kids do it all the time joining the military these days. Been their and done that in Nam 50 years ago. Drafted and lost a number of great friends along the way. I'm very familiar with the emotions.

You fellers can work it out!
Aeros
Member
Sat Mar 31 11:00:20
Nobody is going to attack them personally. I can already hear the champagne corks going off in the Republican congressional caucus. This is wonderful for the Right wing. They can now go back to their waffling base that is concerned about Trumps shenanigans and remind them of what would happen if the Democrats get control of congress.
patom
Member
Sat Mar 31 12:02:21
Who provided the opportunity? A kid named Cruz did in this instance. I highly doubt that anyone of these kids that are now in the spotlight wouldn't erase that incident and have those 17 lives back again.
They are at least attempting to do something. It may be wrong but they are actually trying. Where the so called adults are still regurgitating the same old talking points that had different towns and names of victims and shooters attached to them.
Aeros
Member
Sat Mar 31 12:30:21
This who thing with the parkland kids is why teaching children they can change the world without any sort of intellectual context is a stupendous error. We should be teaching children that they need to grow up, learn about the world, and then figure out how to fix it. And to also make sure they understand that the problem they are trying to fix won't create worse problems as a secondary order of effect.

In this case, these kids are saying point blank they want to publicly shame anyone who supports or is supported by the NRA. They want to ban all guns, and if anyone challenges them then those people are worse then wrong, they are in favor of murdered school children.

There is so much wrong with this. For one thing, the NRA is a single issue lobbying group in favor of the most liberal interpretation of the US Second Amendment. You can agree or disagree with that, but this does not make the NRA intrinsically evil nor does it make the people who support them evil. Maybe their beliefs are in error, but they don't come from a place of malevolence and to accuse them of it is not only incorrect, it will also put their back up and less likely to compromise.

Secondly, even if you are in favor of gun legislation, to argue for an Australia style confiscation plan is dangerous on several levels. Unlike in Australia, the right to weapons is a constitutional right in America. If you blow past the second amendment, its not long before you can decide to blow past the 1st, 4th and all the rest of them. Its not helpful that there are people on the left who believe the 1st Amendment needs to be "adjusted" or ignored outright in order to force conforming speech on gender pronouns and to throw people in prison for saying "the wrong things". We can't just pick and choose what parts of the Constitution we like and ignore the rest. You have to take it in whole, and if there is something in it you don't like you need to convince everyone it needs to be amended.

This is the fundamental errors in logic these children have made, and the political left, with its victim narrative could not help themselves in trumpeting these poor victimized children's' desires and plans to the world. But had everyone thought about the second order consequences of doing so, they would realize why this is a terrible battle to get into at this precise moment in history.

The Political Right is already nursing its wounds from the last round of culture wars, and on the issue of guns it is often a source of mental comfort to them. At the end of the day they think to themselves, if all this lefty bullshit gets too far out of hand, they have the means to rebel. Going for that, coupled with everything else going on in the cultural zeitgeist will insure the Democrats get defeated in the midterms, because while Trump may be a twat, he was also just a manifestation of the resentment on the Right, not its causal agent.

These kids and the Democrats trumpeting them are reminding the Right of all the issues and resentments that drove them to elect Trump and give him a Republican congress in the first place.
TJ
Member
Sat Mar 31 14:59:38
I disagree that Cruz provided the opportunity. His freedom to walk into a school with his fathers gun created the opportunity. The parent should be charged with negligence.

Emotions grabbed the baton and ran in the wrong direction.

"I highly doubt that anyone of these kids that are now in the spotlight wouldn't erase that incident and have those 17 lives back again."

I have sero doubt.

You mean the same old talking points you are making? Yeah, I get it for sure.

Regurgitating the same old talking points leave our kids vulnerable in their schools as the debate remains consistent. I have nine grandchildren in different schools. Do you really think I'm not interested in school safety for our children?

Ride for Meadow organized by the father of his
victim daughter gets a blimp in the news cycle. If I wasn't a Harley rider who visited the local Harley dealership I'd not even known about his event. The gun debate isn't even close to a solution that keep our kids safe in schools from lunatics.

I fully support the message from Andrew Pollack.
TJ
Member
Sat Mar 31 17:06:58
Making a factual error doesn't change the weakness that provided ease. One is too many school shootings.

Neither does the typo created by my left hand ring finger.
patom
Member
Sat Mar 31 17:18:13
TJ, Cruz purchased that gun on his own. Not his fathers gun. His mother died and he was living with a friend of his mother. He and his brother were adopted.
patom
Member
Sat Mar 31 17:30:20
Aeros, "This who thing with the parkland kids is why teaching children they can change the world without any sort of intellectual context is a stupendous error. We should be teaching children that they need to grow up, learn about the world, and then figure out how to fix it. And to also make sure they understand that the problem they are trying to fix won't create worse problems as a secondary order of effect."

I do believe these kids have had quite a grow up moment that most of us will never experience.

By saying we should teach them that they must, learn about the world, and figure out how to fix it. Aren't you saying sit down and shut up till you are what? 30, 40, 50, ?? or until you agree with everything the adults in the room are telling you to believe in?

What life has taught them so far is that the so called adults will just let this slide and do nothing. They did nothing after Columbine, Sandy Hook, and are feeding the same line of bullshit about Parkland and will do the same with the next and the next.

The NRA opens up their files and trots out the same memes with every shooting. Trouble is that their one about mental health also would require money. Money that nobody in this country is willing to invest in. That is unless they have someone who is suffering with it. The most the kids can expect is the same lip service repeated over and over.

TJ
Member
Sat Mar 31 17:31:17
Tom, I brought attention to the error approximately eleven seconds before your post.

When I made that post I was multi tasking. Consequences...
TJ
Member
Sat Mar 31 17:48:18
Tom, the growing part is not that instant. It is true though that they've experienced something that most haven't and never will that can be disastrous to mental health such as post traumatic stress.
kargen
Member
Sat Mar 31 20:40:19
"What life has taught them so far is that the so called adults will just let this slide and do nothing. They did nothing after Columbine, Sandy Hook, and are feeding the same line of bullshit about Parkland and will do the same with the next and the next."

No what the adults did is the same thing the kids are doing now. They bitched and complained about the guns being a problem when in fact it is the toxic atmosphere at school that is a big part of the problem. If the kids want to change things they need to start changing things. History has taught us bitching about guns isn't going to do it.
patom
Member
Sat Mar 31 21:58:58
kargan, OK if not guns what? Mental health? They won't do anything but dance around that with the same platitudes and still do nothing. That ship sailed 40 years ago.

Aeros
Member
Sat Mar 31 23:51:14
Stop treating young men like defective girls in the schools and maybe teach them to be something more then a potential oppressive rapist. All of these school shootings have been acts of violent rebellion against society. It's not like it's a secret why they do it. They write manifestos that lay out exactly why they do it. And it's always the same. Alienated young men tired of the demands put upon them coupled with social exclusion and torment.
Dukhat
Member
Sun Apr 01 00:52:04
Lol at blaming mentql health. Most teenagers are retarded and hormonal. But kids these days have even easier access to guns than they did 20 years ago and exposure to social media full of horrible troll zones that reinforce their hatred.

There's nothing different about American kids vs kids in other countries except american kids have too much access to guns. It's possible for a gun-allowing society to stop most mass shootings as Australia has shown. But white men in america seem obsessed with their guns and can't differentiate between reasonable limits on the ease of buying the most deadly weap9lons vs actual gun seizure.
kargen
Member
Sun Apr 01 04:34:41
patom that is the question isn't it. We know it isn't guns and we refuse to admit what it really is.

Dukhat you are off base with the guns but you might have something with social media. Is it coincidence that teen suicides have been on the increase since Facebook went public and allowed 13 and older to join? Before social media there was an escape from bullying. Now with social media being what it is bullying can and does happen all day every day.
Forwyn
Member
Sun Apr 01 11:25:50
Lol Cuckhat

You really think it was difficult for Jimmy to grab his dad's surplus M1 and shoot up his schoolyard in 1960?
patom
Member
Sun Apr 01 15:48:28
In 1960 there was a respite from any bullying. We weren't constantly glued to a cell phone. If you were even thought to have a switch blade knife inside the school your ass would be out of there.

In 60 parents were still allowed to discipline you with out some nosy ass butting in.

In 60 we settled things with our fists.

In 60 the only guns we were interested in were for hunting. The only gun I had then was a 16 gauge single shot. I had friends that were avid hunters. The only military gun one of them had was a .22 with mauser sights. That guy could hit anything he could see with that rifle. Him and his brothers must of had at least 10 rifles between them.

In 60, most of us didn't want anything to do with drugs. We were more into getting laid than any drugs.
Dukhat
Member
Sun Apr 01 16:46:53
@Forskin - I said 20 years ago retard, not 60. 20 years ago the assault weapons ban was in place. But getting the facts wrong is nothing new for you.
TJ
Member
Sun Apr 01 17:40:22
Tom, you might be interested in this link from the National Alliance on Mental Illness.

http://www...ics/Children-MH-Facts-NAMI.pdf
Forwyn
Member
Sun Apr 01 17:43:37
@Cuckhat - you'd still be wrong.

1. We've established that more kids were shot in schools in the 1990s.
2. Manufacturers were still pumping our rifles that were able to withstand these criterion. Even then, this only applies to new manufactures, because private transfers were still an option.

Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher
Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
Barrel shroud safety feature that prevents burns to the operator
Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.
Forwyn
Member
Sun Apr 01 17:44:47
I.e. if I'm in 1995 and wanting to perpetrate a mass shooting, I can still get an AR with a pistol grip, as long as it doesn't have the other scary attachments.
Sam Adams
Member
Sun Apr 01 18:02:27
Cuckhat is retarded, and forwyn is correct. The old awb was retarded and pointless (much like cuckhat). It basically said ar15s are ok, but ar15s with a muzzle brake or bayonet are bad. I bought a "legal postban" ak47 with 40 round mags in 1999. But i couldnt put my bayonet on it :(
Sam Adams
Member
Sun Apr 01 18:05:17
Man that was fun to shoot. And those dirty steel case russian wolf rounds were like 7 cents each back then. Full mags were like 2 bucks. Ahhh the good old days.
Dukhat
Member
Mon Apr 02 00:58:24
Ah yes, prepared shitty NRA-provided talking points that obsess over retarded-ass minutae while ignoring the big picture.

http://www...worked/?utm_term=.4e2ed116c17d

But the 1994 assault weapons ban was never intended to be a comprehensive fix for “gun violence” writ large. Its purpose, according to gun violence experts and the lawmakers who wrote the bill, was to reduce the frequency and lethality of mass shootings like the ones in Parkland, Sandy Hook and elsewhere. And on that front, the data shows it had a significant impact.

The 1994 law included a ban on 18 specific models of assault weapons, as well as a ban on any firearms containing certain military-style features, like a bayonet mount, a flash suppressor or a folding stock. It also banned high-capacity magazines capable of holding more than 10 bullets. The bill allowed individuals already in possession of such weapons to keep them. It was also set to expire after 10 years' time.

“The original intent of the assault weapons ban was to reduce the carnage of mass shootings,” Klarevas said. “And on that front the data indicate that it worked.”


Klarevas has compiled data on gun massacres involving six or more fatalities for the 50 years before 2016. His numbers show that gun massacres fell significantly during the time the assault weapons ban was in place, and skyrocketed after the ban lapsed in 2004. A separate mass shooting database compiled by Mother Jones magazine shows a similar trend.

*******************************

Cuckservatives are always wrong because they only find forums where there are a lot of them together and see agreement from another retard as proof they are right. They never leave their retard safe spaces.
Aeros
Member
Mon Apr 02 01:24:14
Where else can they go though? Ive spent years trying to understand why conservatives flocked to their alternate reality, and in watching th derangement on the left in the past year its become patently obvious.

The left thinks the right is wrong. Not wrong in the sense they are misguided or have bad ideas. Wrong in the sense that they are violating divine dictats. They are not just wrong, they are heretics. As such there is no effort expended to reach consensus. Nothing done to talk the cat out of the tree. Instead they are hounded out of the political discourse all together. And once that is accomplished efforts are made to pass laws to make it illegal for them to hold their beliefs.

Its no wonder then that the Right wing has become so militant, and reactionary. The left is making an immense error in assuming the political right is stupid and small. Its not stupid and it is not small at all. Worse as the left rides to extreme it is driving more and more people into the reactionist camp. Myself included I suppose.
patom
Member
Mon Apr 02 06:21:54
TJ thanks. I would venture that many of the kids in that first row of categories could all be included in the first pie chart. I don't believe that 49% of our youth are in need of psychiatric care.

NAMI is a outfit that at least is attempting to instill some knowledge into law enforcement personnel. They became a presence, by phone, in most of our jails in Maine. I went through a 2 week series with them back in 07. Informative and some pretty good advice in dealing with inmates in crisis.

One of the biggest problems is the shortage of people who are trained professionally in the psychiatric field.

Another is the eagerness to begin children on mood altering drugs in lieu of discipline. There are a huge number of kids today that are being diagnosed with ADD ADHD and other alphabet syndromes or conditions with the result that big pharma is making a fortune. IMO, I don't believe that there are that many kids who are being diagnosed by credible professionals. Especially in rural parts of the country where qualified professionals are few and far between.
TJ
Member
Mon Apr 02 10:01:51
Grouping within societies is not some mystery that needs to be studied. Attraction...

A decent and easy to understand history of school shootings in the United States. Diversity of possibilities are playing out in the united contradiction. Growing pains...

Mood, behavior, and anxiety.

http://www...ngs-united-states#.WsI9RYjwaUk
Forwyn
Member
Mon Apr 02 11:44:19
"shitty NRA-provided talking points that obsess over retarded-ass minutae"

Actually, Cuckhat, that would be Wikipedia, "Criteria of an assault weapon"

http://en....#Criteria_of_an_assault_weapon

I'm sorry you live in a world where you only opposition comes from the NRA bogeyman.
Dukhat
Member
Mon Apr 02 12:08:38
Yeah, it's the left that's extreme. Not the Fox News, Alex Jones Axis of Retards. And you know they're retarded because their opinions change based on what Breitbart tells them. Suddenly they believe Russia is our friend and it's ok to bomb assad now that a Republican is president.

Republicans are just stupid. Reasonable limits on access to the deadliest guns are not the same thing as gun seizures.

That crystallizes how wrong and fucking stupid many men are. The left is somehow extreme. HA!
Dukhat
Member
Mon Apr 02 12:10:08
Forwyn broken record over minuatae that's irrelevant. The same as with Renzo, we know for certain you are not a lawyer.
obaminated
Member
Mon Apr 02 12:10:51
"Men"

You are such a cuck.
Forwyn
Member
Mon Apr 02 13:58:51
"hurrrrrr muh minutiae"

i.e. the contents of the fucking bill that you support and want reinstated, because it soothes your feefees, while I still roll down and buy an AR with a folding stock
Forwyn
Member
Mon Apr 02 14:01:33
"And you know they're retarded because their opinions change based on what Breitbart tells them. Suddenly they believe Russia is our friend and it's ok to bomb assad now that a Republican is president."

And you know they're retarded because their opinions change based on what CNN tells them. Suddenly they're not laughing at Mitt Romney for calling Russia our greatest geopolitical adversary, and they're pretending they weren't laughing at Clinton's jibes about accepting the results of a fair election. Suddenly arming jihadis is cool again, and bombing ISIS is bad because civilians die, mm'kay
Sam Adams
Member
Mon Apr 02 14:25:01
Both the left and right are full of extremist retards. Cuckhat is a good example of the loony left version.
Dukhat
Member
Mon Apr 02 20:50:09
And yet, it's almost like they can change and improve laws if there are loopholes. Fucking libertarians have such a cartoony understanding of the world. Real life is messy and takes many positive steps.

Better than being a deadender fucking retard like you coming up with shitty arguments only antisocial retards on the internet and in bumfuck all-white rural areas believe.
Forwyn
Member
Mon Apr 02 23:18:29
More like I fucking laugh at Democrats and their sad attempts to restrict gun ownership while balancing their fundamental ignorance on the matter, and simultaneously toeing the "We're not trying to ban all guns" line.

You call it cartoonish, I call it realistic. Want to ban something? Come out and say it, and we can have a discussion about it. But "hurrr, barrel shrouds are fine, folding stocks are fine, threaded barrels are fine, pistol grips are fine, but don't you dare combine two of those with any detachable mag rifle". That is cartoonish idiocy.
Forwyn
Member
Mon Apr 02 23:21:34
And dear God round up some politicians who know what the fuck they're talking about.

I'm not taking marching orders from fucking idiots like this:

http://youtu.be/iJmFEv6BHM0
Dukhat
Member
Mon Apr 02 23:26:01
You calling other people ignorant is so fucking funny. You fucking uneducated twat.
Dukhat
Member
Mon Apr 02 23:29:27
Calling other people stupid when you cherry pick people that disagree with you and overgeneralize.

There are way more fucking retarded Republican congressman than Dem congressman.

The GOP is the party of climate-change denial and trickle-down. And you go around pretending that others are stupid.

You fucking retard.
Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ
Mon Apr 02 23:29:58
POTUS loves the poorly educated.
Dukhat
Member
Mon Apr 02 23:49:17
lol, that was the worst soundbite forwyn could find and the guy basically said 30 bullets in half a second when it fires about 15 rounds per second. Ok, I'm sure all the people on the receiving end of those bullets are really going to be able to use those extra 1.5 seconds to defend themselves extra good.

He clearly said something wrong but the truth is not that far off and would be fixed in a legislative debate anyways.

This compared to dumbass Republicans who get literally every big issue wrong from the economy to the deficit to basic science.

Fucking party of stupid calling other people stupid. Just like your new favorite politician: Donald J. Trump.

Be a fucking man and just admit you are a you'd rather the gun violence continue in perpetuity. Your mild inconvenience (in terms of registration and background checks) is more important to you than tens of thousands of people dying to gun violence.

It'd at least be fucking honest. Republicans have to always fucking exaggerate how bad the other side is to justify their retarded-ass beliefs.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Apr 03 00:09:57
You're really fucking butthurt about me calling your Dems ignorant, aren't you? Like I give a shit about Republican, bible-thumping retards. lol

Another idiot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rGpykAX1fo

"Be a fucking man and just admit you are a you'd rather the gun violence continue in perpetuity. Your mild inconvenience (in terms of registration and background checks) is more important to you than tens of thousands of people dying to gun violence."

Absolutely. Declining gun violence is a fucking pittance to pay for essential liberties. Over 200 million people in the twentieth century to governments, I'm going kowtow to fucking idiots like Kevin de Leon or Carolyn McCarthy who are just as bad as NRA puppets - getting their legislation written for them by anti-gun lobbyists - based on 11k gun homicides a years. And I CERTAINLY don't give a fuck about the suicides.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Apr 03 00:21:24
not going to kowtow*
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