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murder
Member
Wed Apr 11 08:36:06

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!

murder
Member
Wed Apr 11 08:39:56

Trump running off at the mouth again. Lets see if he's stupid enough to take the current disaster and make it worse.

Daemon
Member
Wed Apr 11 08:40:49
It was nice to know you all guys.
murder
Member
Wed Apr 11 08:41:30

btw if he does, I will be here yelling "wag the dog" because turnabout and all that. :o)

murder
Member
Wed Apr 11 08:43:54

Daemon: You worry too much. Israel bombs Syria all the time and nothing happens. We'll be fine.

Well, you'll be flooded with another wave of refugees, but we'll be fine. ;o)

Rugian
Member
Wed Apr 11 08:48:05
Don't worry Daemon, you can always flee here to America...well at least until Germany becomes majority-Muslim and is promptly placed on the travel ban list.
Paramount
Member
Wed Apr 11 08:52:17
As long as the US remains uninvited in Syria it will only get worse.

The US should leave Syria, or if they are serious about fighting al-Qaida terrorists they should ask if they can join Syria, Russia and Iran.
murder
Member
Wed Apr 11 08:55:14

No, we should just get the fuck out.

Rugian
Member
Wed Apr 11 09:01:13
WTF, being anti-interventionism in 2018 now means that you're probably a Russian bot. Are you a Russian bot murder?
Sam Adams
Member
Wed Apr 11 09:30:34
We shouldnt care about syria, but russia is a nation without honor.
Paramount
Member
Wed Apr 11 09:33:52
Again, it looks like the USA does not need evidence before acting.

Syria invited the OPCW and they will send a team to investigate. But now before any investigations and conclusions are done, the USA wants to play both the judge and the executioner.

This just proves that this has nothing to do with a possible "chemical attack". It's not about it. The US/Saudi/Israel and their sunni terror alliance wants to provoke a larger war in which Iran will be included.
Paramount
Member
Wed Apr 11 09:34:53
That is their goal.
Paramount
Member
Wed Apr 11 09:36:06
Because they are butt hurt over that Syria, Iran and Russia defeated their lung-eating sunni terrorist allies.
Paramount
Member
Wed Apr 11 09:53:26
There is no reason why Syria or Russia would start this fight. They already won and had almost everything under control.

This accusation of "chemical attack" is definitively false flag, made up by some very dishonest (USA) and evil (Israel/Saudi) nations.
Aeros
Member
Wed Apr 11 09:56:00
We are all going to die. Arent we.
Sam Adams
Member
Wed Apr 11 09:58:14
Russia is unstable and dishonorable. Who knows what they think? It would have been logical to remain allied to the rest of the world and enjoy the economic benefits of peace. But they chose not to do that.
Rugian
Member
Wed Apr 11 10:00:37
"It would have been logical to remain allied to the rest of the world and enjoy the economic benefits of peace."

In other words, "play second fiddle to the United States."

Let's be honest here, as much as we hate Russia's current BB behavior, there's a reason why Russians aren't longing for a return to the Yeltsin years.
Sam Adams
Member
Wed Apr 11 10:05:06
Russia was and is always going to be second fiddle to the west, but even more so with their recent violent and unstable behavior. Those retards might even start a war that gets themselves wiped out.
Rugian
Member
Wed Apr 11 10:08:45
Sam,

Treating an ex-superpower like they ain't shit was a really bad move by the west. In the 90s, we broke promises to Russia not to expand NATO into Eastern Europe, then we slaughtered a bunch of Slavs in an unsanctioned war to set up a Muslim mafia state in Kosovo.

You want to argue that Russia is second fiddle to the west? Fine, but Russia disagrees with that opinion. The result is the current international situation.
Rugian
Member
Wed Apr 11 10:09:22
Point is, Russia has valid reasons to make moves to defend its strategic interests.
jergul
large member
Wed Apr 11 10:16:07
Right now it is simply offering limited unbrella protection to a client-state.

The big problem is deniability. The Syrian airforce has rebased significant assets to joint Russian-Syrian airbases and are actively patrolling coastal waters along with Russian aircraft.

A missile strike from the Med can face hostile fire in other words. So don't do that.

Just use the red sea or strategic bombers to launch from. Then it will just be the normal whack-a-mole saturation fire attacks were 40-50% of cruise missiles should survive to hit within a mile of their target.
Aeros
Member
Wed Apr 11 10:17:29
Yeah they do, but not at the expense of the Wests major interest in preventing the use and proliferation of chemical weapons. These things are also not banned by a gentlemens agreement btw. Russia has signed Treaties with us saying they won't use or develop them, and actively assist in preventing their use and development.

What have they done instead? Used nerve agents on British Soil and are providing cover for one of their allies gassing a civilian population center. That is not just acting in bad faith, that is being deliberately provocative.
Paramount
Member
Wed Apr 11 10:19:00
USA deliberately destroyed Russia economically in the 90's. Putin sorted it out and made Russia great again. Russia is wise to not put too much trust in America again.


"Russia was and is always going to be second fiddle to the west, but even more so with their recent violent and unstable behavior."

Violent and unstable behavior? Violent like invading Iraq and laying the entire Middle East in ruins? Unstable like Trump?
jergul
large member
Wed Apr 11 10:24:26
Aeros
You are incredibly guilable.
Rugian
Member
Wed Apr 11 10:27:07
Aeros,

Re Syria. If you were Russia, what would you be doing differently in that conflict?

As for the spy attack, that's small potatoes in the grand scheme of things. Russia deserves retaliatory measures for it, but it's not going to mark the difference between them being good and evil.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Apr 11 10:27:36
The expansion of NATO to include the states (voluntary) that Russia molested for a century. It is sorta like denying an abused spouse protection and safety because you agreed with the abuser not to.
Rugian
Member
Wed Apr 11 10:28:49
And yeah, characterizing Russia's use of state violence as "unstable" is inaccurate. Russia's military endeavors have all been completely logical when viewed through the prism of their strategic interests. "Upsetting to the West" would be more accurate.
Rugian
Member
Wed Apr 11 10:30:45
Nimatzo
iChihuaha Wed Apr 11 10:27:36
The expansion of NATO to include the states (voluntary) that Russia molested for a century. It is sorta like denying an abused spouse protection and safety because you agreed with the abuser not to.

----

We all understand the motivation for Eastern Bloc states to join NATO. That doesn't change the fact that it put Russia at a significant strategic disadvantage, and that our broken promises regarding expansion likely contributed to Russia's outlook that it needs to look out for itself.
Sam Adams
Member
Wed Apr 11 10:35:58
Russia could look out for itself without gassing people, shooting down airliners, or threatening nuclear war.
Paramount
Member
Wed Apr 11 10:44:23
"Aeros

We are all going to die. Arent we."


Not all of us. But Americans always risk dying to please the will of a Sunni King and a Zionist leader in Israel.
Rugian
Member
Wed Apr 11 10:46:14
Sam,

Are you suggesting that Russia ordered its allied rebels to intentionally shoot down a passenger airliner? If that had been the case, I'd be right with you, but I doubt that's what happened.

Russia hasn't been threatening nuclear war so much as reminding everyone that it does have nuclear weapons and won't hesitate to use them if things escalate to that point. It's saber-rattling but not a cause for alarm.

Russia shouldn't be using nerve agents on British soil, we're agreed there.
Rugian
Member
Wed Apr 11 10:48:19
To put the nuclear speech into context, it was basically the Putinesque version of this:

http://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/948355557022420992
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Apr 11 10:51:21
I get the pragamatic pov, the real politik of it all, but it is difficult to imagine another outcome on that specific issue. Anything else would have been quite absurd. Invade molest, get away with it and then reach agreements over the victims head to not afford them any protection.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Apr 11 11:24:23
remember how Trump was so against telegraphing moves? (which granted was just his defense mechanism as he had no ideas)

now he's announcing we're leaving Syria at a rally, and announcing missile strikes on twitter
Sam Adams
Member
Wed Apr 11 11:26:03
Well trump is a retard too, no doubt about that.
Seb
Member
Wed Apr 11 11:54:46
Rugian:

Firstly, there is no formal document or indeed any real evidence at all other than Russian claims that any assurances were ever provided RE admitting eastern block members to NATO. Indeed, what appears to be referred to is a promise not to reposition our forces, which NATO did not.

NATO only began doing that after increasing Russian force build ups and actions like testing air defences.

"That doesn't change the fact that it put Russia at a significant strategic disadvantage"

If gauranteeing the security of former soviet states puts Russia at a strategic disadvvantage, that can only be in so far as Russia continues to view their security as predicated on those countries being held at risk by Russia, which is not a reasonable expectation of Russia.
obaminated
Member
Wed Apr 11 12:03:09
welcome to the thread where rugian shows his true unpatriotic colors, you fucking commie.
Aeros
Member
Wed Apr 11 12:09:47
I always found Russias whining about NATO expansion disengenuous. NATO is a defensive alliance with no aim to invade Russia. The only strategic interests of Russia harmed by latvia joining NATO is the Russian interest in annexing them again
murder
Member
Wed Apr 11 12:41:47

"I always found Russias whining about NATO expansion disengenuous. NATO is a defensive alliance with no aim to invade Russia."

Because we're too busy invading every other nation that opposes us?

All we do is invade other countries.

murder
Member
Wed Apr 11 12:44:49

btw if Russia wants to be taken seriously, they are just going to have to set off a nuke. Nothing too big ... just enough to get everyone's attention.

All the Israeli raids have left them looking toothless.

jergul
large member
Wed Apr 11 12:45:48
Aeros
I always found the US whining about missiles on Cuba to be disingenious.
jergul
large member
Wed Apr 11 12:53:11
Murder
Your assessement is not that outlandish. Though causing a reactor meltdown on some random USN vessel using them would serve the same purpose.

http://en...._Civil_War#April_2018_incident

Forwyn
Member
Wed Apr 11 13:16:54
"Russia could look out for itself without gassing people, shooting down airliners, or threatening nuclear war."

US could look out for itself without arming jihadis, shooting down airliners, or threatening nuclear war.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Apr 11 13:33:35

Russia sent all of their ships, save one submarine, to sea to avoid hostile fire.

Sam Adams
Member
Wed Apr 11 13:35:55
Russias dishonesty has very little to do with invading syria.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Apr 11 13:37:55
Yea but that time it was the ariplanes fault for flying over an battlezone. That is actually what sam has said about the Iran air flight 655 in the past. Has he changed his mind?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Apr 11 13:42:09

jergul, if you had very bad relations with Denmark and Russia would you care if Russia moved nuclear missiles into Denmark assuming that you had nuclear missiles aimed at Russia?

Would that bother you just a little bit?

swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Wed Apr 11 14:04:01

The Navy Just Called Bulls–t On Reports That A US Warship Is Lurking In Syrian Waters



http://tas...ip-not-buzzed-by-russian-jets/
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Apr 11 14:04:59

I hope they demolish that port that Russia was leaving.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Apr 11 14:08:15
Hot Rod, if you had very bad relationship with Mexico and Russia and Mexico joined a military Alliance with Mexico, would you care? Would that bother you a little bit? Just a little bit?
Forwyn
Member
Wed Apr 11 14:10:59
Why do you support terrorists, Hot Rod?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Apr 11 14:21:46

If you honestly believe that the west is the terrorists and Syria, Russia and Iran are the good guys then all of you will surely burn in hell for eternity.



(if there is one)

Paramount
Member
Wed Apr 11 14:21:46
”Russia sent all of their ships, save one submarine, to sea to avoid hostile fire.”


If there is going to be a battle you don’t want your ships in port.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Apr 11 14:25:47

I'm hoping they are all talk and will stay out of it.

It is not just the U.S., it is a coalition. If Russia sticks their nose in it it could spiral out of control.



Paramount
Member
Wed Apr 11 14:27:08
It looks like it is the US who is about to stick their nose into something.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Apr 11 14:30:51
Even Mountme makes sense here.

Russia is legally in the country by the invitation of the recognized government, to quell a an Islamic insurrection.

When did we stop fighting the War on Terror and start supporting our enemy?
Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ
Wed Apr 11 14:38:08
Simple Don does not understand who is fighting who and that Assad has basically won the war.
Paramount
Member
Wed Apr 11 14:43:29
”If you honestly believe that the west is the terrorists”

Hot Rod, Russia, Syria and Iran are the good guys in the sense that they are fighting the terrorists that you and your allies Saudi and Israel are supporting.

The things you have done to Syria and to the rest of the Middle East will surely grant you a place next to Satan in Hell for eternity.
Hrothgar
Member
Wed Apr 11 18:03:13
No it won't, because Hot Rod didn't do shit to cause any of that.

Well, that and because there is no such thing as hell.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Wed Apr 11 19:25:28
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DahbphIVMAE1jSo.jpg
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Apr 11 19:49:18

A country that slaughters their own people with gas attacks is hardly the good guys.

When Russia entered the war they attacked the good guys. Those being the people that America was supporting against a dictatorial and oppressive regime.

I'm not sure that Syria and/or Russia ever did anything against ISIS, they were too busy attacking the Kurds and others that were fighting for freedom from a second generation dictatorship.

You will forgive me if take the side of the underdog, my country was the underdog in a similar war once upon a time.


If President Trump is wrong then perhaps he is not the only one to make the same mistake.

"In August 2013, the government was suspected of using chemical weapons against its civilians. US Secretary of State John Kerry said it was "undeniable" that chemical weapons had been used in the country and that President Bashar al-Assad's forces had committed a "moral obscenity" against his own people. "Make no mistake," Kerry said. "President Obama believes there must be accountability for those who would use the world's most heinous weapon against the world's most vulnerable people. Nothing today is more serious, and nothing is receiving more serious scrutiny""

Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Apr 11 19:55:57
"You will forgive me if take the side of the underdog, my country was the underdog in a similar war once upon a time."

So? You're a fucking retard of epic proportions if you take a side in something like this because they're an underdog. Oh wait, it's Retard Rod.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Apr 11 20:47:23
LOL! HR thinks the radical Islamists armed with heavy weaponry by the US, trained in Turkey and Syria, provided geo-intel by the UK, and allowed to funnel oil to Turkey for cash, while decapitating teenagers, are underdogs?

ROFL
Cold Rod
Member
Wed Apr 11 21:14:42
I regret ever putting forwyn in the same club as hot rod. Hot rod is in a club of his own.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Apr 11 21:26:29

I've known a lot of imbeciles in my life but you turds take the cake.

As much as I have railed against ISIS since their inception you think my support goes to them rather than the legitimate revolutionaries and the Kurds.

The "radical Islamists" you think I am supporting, I'm not. I'm not sure who Obama supported, perhaps you think it was a group that was indeed armed and supplied like the al Qaeda's and other terrorists that were opposing Assad. Those are the people I ***NEVER*** supported and never would under any circumstance. But since you people support Obama giving %175 Billion in cash to a terrorist government I can only assume that you people are the ones that oppose "revolutionaries" that are terrorists in real life instead of those that are fighting for a better way of life.


I can't believe that your dislike of me runs so deep that you are not able to post the truth and instead you post a pack of lies against me and that you know they are indeed a pack of lies.


I sincerely have nothing but pity for the likes of you turds.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Apr 11 21:29:59

cr - I regret ever putting forwyn in the same club as hot rod. Hot rod is in a club of his own.


Thank you. I will take that as a sincere compliment even though you have absolutely no idea what you said.

Join the rest of the turds way, way, over there to the far left.

Forwyn
Member
Wed Apr 11 23:26:40
These aren't peaceful, honorable revolutionaries. I don't know if you've bought the McCain and Graham lies. Even the ones who started in the "moderate" groups comprising the FSA, and offshoots, were easily swayed into joining terror groups like Al-Nusra (formerly a faction of Al-Qaeda before a split - regardless, Salafist scum):

http://www...y-rebels-defect-islamist-group

Either they were violent Islamists from the start, or they were willing to compromise their values and fight with terrorists. These "revolutionaries" were the same guys blowing up our troops and slaughtering each other wholesale in Iraq.

They don't coexist with Christians. They don't coexist with Jews. They don't coexist with Alawites, or Shiites in general. As pillz will tell you, even the Kurds are guilty of this to a lesser extent. If they're lucky, they're stripped of their possessions and expelled. More often they're hunted down like dogs and left in a ditch.

Only the secular leader Assad has ensured the safety of religious and ethnic minorities. Maybe it takes a butcher to keep butchers civil.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Apr 12 00:05:58

Assuming you are right, and I give you the benefit of the doubt, as far as the FSA is concerned let us say, wars make strange bedfellows.

Not sure how much you know about WWII, but we had a couple of very strange allies too. And they were even more bloodthirsty than Hitler was, and slaughtered more of their own people than Hitler never even dreamed of, as it turned out.


The only thing that convines me that Assad's troops carried out the gassing is that the gas was delivered by an aircraft. The opposing side does not have an air force.

Prove this is an error and I will gladly give you credit.


So, assuming Assad did deliver the gas then he must be punished to the maximum. No country can be allowed to use gas as a weapon.

It is too insidious.



Ta Ta, I'm going to bed.

Paramount
Member
Thu Apr 12 00:09:05
Hot Rod,

”When Russia entered the war they attacked the good guys. Those being the people that America was supporting against a dictatorial and oppressive regime. ”

So the bad guys are those who supports a dictatorial and oppressive regime?

Hmmmm, how many oppressive and/or dictatorial regimes does the US currently support? How many has they supported throughout history?
murder
Member
Thu Apr 12 01:21:25

"Assuming you are right ..."

You used to know who those guys were when Obama was in office.

jergul
large member
Thu Apr 12 03:28:31
HR
The rebels say it was dropped from helicopter.

Anyway, Russia and the Syrian regime now have full control over the whole area.

I am sure the US is ready to send investigators to check up on the claims made before it goes to war.

But let me suggest something. You do know that all the rebels have to do is store a few barrels of clorine at sites they suspect might get bombed in order to simulate gas attacks.

The motive for that is self-evident from your presidential tweets.
Seb
Member
Thu Apr 12 04:07:15
Jdrgul:

Really. Any bomb that's going to rupture a barrel of chlorine is going to kill anyone near enough to be gassed before they do.

Also, wouldn't there just be hundreds of barrels of chlorine around that weren't close enough to bomb targets?

This is the kind of disinformation the Syrian regime and its allies put out for tin foil hat wearing chumps.
jergul
large member
Thu Apr 12 04:18:31
Seb
There was absolutely no reason for the regime to use chlorine even if they had weaponized it.

There are tons of reason for any number of insurgent grouplets to expose people to gas, or fake such exposure.

The "storing chemicals" at likely sites is just a nice way putting it. No reason not to believe a grouplet did not actively release gas, or fake gas exposure.

Speculations on splinterproof storage containers is tinfoil hattery, Maybot.

Get proper evidence before you go to war.

Its the precautionary thing to do.
jergul
large member
Thu Apr 12 04:21:03
The only thing you are showing is that murder is probably right that the route to normalized diplomatic relations and not using force or the threat of force against other nations is by way of a limited nuclear strike.
jergul
large member
Thu Apr 12 04:30:54
Any reason not to await inspection by OPCW, Maybot?

Seb
Member
Thu Apr 12 04:57:38
Jergul:

Lol.
Paramount
Member
Thu Apr 12 05:29:50
Imagine if it was this easy to determine if its propaganda or not. Looks like the UN doesn’t need an impartial investigation here. The spokesperson only needs to say that it is propaganda.


UN: Central African Republic corpse protest was propaganda

The UN says protesters who placed corpses in front of their headquarters in the Central African Republic (CAR) were using the bodies for "propaganda".

"Some people are using dead bodies... to say that we have killed civilians," a UN spokesman told the BBC.

On Wednesday, demonstrators calling for an end to violence put 17 bodies outside the UN building in Bangui.

They said the dead were innocent civilians killed in clashes between UN troops and armed groups.

But the UN says the dead were armed criminals who had been targeting peacekeepers and government soldiers.

"They shot at our peacekeepers and we returned fire," UN spokesman Vladimir Monteiro said. "The bodies resulted from the clashes."

"We condemn the fact that some people are using dead bodies for a kind of propaganda," he added.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-43735333
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Apr 12 06:54:14

It looks like we are waiting to make absolutely sure that it was Assad that did his thing.

jergul
large member
Thu Apr 12 08:10:00
Maybot
Rofl.

HR
Waiting for independent verification is very smart. A global order where accusation = confirmation is incredibly dangerous.

It is good to remember that Russia actually has more firepower than the west combined when measured in tnt equivalents.

The only thing missing from a shooting scenario is irresponsible Russian leadership.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Apr 12 08:45:16

I agree though it is difficult to prove when the area is locked down by government troops.

Nothing gets in, nothing gets out.


I heard something on the news a while ago. I was in the other room but this is what it sounded like.



The US is now thinking of holding the area they currently hold in order to keep the peace, hopefully.

Naturally, in order to hold it, they will have to move in a holding force of troops and Armor and they will probably put a carrier somewhere close by.

It would be cool if we moved our newest carrier there once it finishes it's sea trials.

swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Thu Apr 12 08:58:22
“Al Qaeda’s MASH Unit”: How the Syrian American Medical Society Is Selling Regime Change and Driving the US to War

http://gra...nge-and-driving-the-us-to-war/
Paramount
Member
Thu Apr 12 09:01:52
"It looks like we are waiting to make absolutely sure that it was Assad that did his thing."

I wouldn't put too much trust in that.


"The US is now thinking of holding the area they currently hold in order to keep the peace, hopefully"

Wouldn't that be an illegal occupation? Doubt it will help to keep the peace if the US is there. More likely the conflict will just take longer to come to an end.

See? Again, the US is invading a country and will oppress the Syrians – dictating your own will upon another people on the other side of the globe far away from your own borders. Not exactly a peaceful country, are you? Maybe even a bad guy?
Paramount
Member
Thu Apr 12 09:13:31
“Al Qaeda’s MASH Unit”: How the Syrian American Medical Society Is Selling Regime Change and Driving the US to War

http://gra...nge-and-driving-the-us-to-war/"


^ Good read. These people are the greatest danger to the world and mankind.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Apr 12 09:52:54

Can you print that? It won't load for me.

jergul
large member
Thu Apr 12 10:11:37
HR
Russia and the regime have full control over the area. It is not locked down and the rebels have been bussed out over the last few days.

Claims of a chemical attack came literally hours before the rebels were forced to accept terms that transferred control of Douma to the regime.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Apr 12 10:59:35
"
Never said when an attack on Syria would take place. Could be very soon or not so soon at all! In any event, the United States, under my Administration, has done a great job of ridding the region of ISIS. Where is our “Thank you America?”
"
~ idiot child
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Apr 12 11:10:07

I believe the previous post represents our 'thank you'.

Paramount
Member
Thu Apr 12 11:11:22
Hot Rod, you can click on swordtail's link. It works.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Thu Apr 12 11:51:31
The Jewish State Has a Special Duty to Defend Syrians

http://www...inion/israel-defend-syria.html
Paramount
Member
Thu Apr 12 12:06:43
"This time, the sovereign Jewish state of Israel is one of those countries standing by."

Standing by. lol, yeah. By not welcoming a single refugee despite being a neighboring country. Instead forcing everyone (children and women) to risk their lives on a perilous trip across the mediterranean sea to Europe.



"Israel is the strongest military power in the Middle East."

No...! The Palestinians are the strongest. They are about to throw the jews into the sea.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Thu Apr 12 13:06:33
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dal3IL0XkAA-klR.jpg
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Apr 12 13:35:30

They have determined that a Syrian helicopter lifted off an flew over the town and dropped something that caused the people to react as if they were indeed gassed.

This was French intelligence.

Paramount
Member
Thu Apr 12 14:31:58
”a Syrian helicopter lifted off an flew over the town and dropped something that caused the people to react as if they were indeed gassed.”


Something? Could it have been fermented herring?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Apr 12 15:12:04

Was it?

swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Thu Apr 12 15:13:45
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DamnCTbX0AAvq62.jpg
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Apr 12 15:28:54

^^^-Democratic caucus

Paramount
Member
Thu Apr 12 15:37:23
http://youtu.be/DRmHOSnehTk?t=99
Rugian
Member
Thu Apr 12 16:03:07
It really is astounding how the anti-intervention voices in DC and the media have died down.
LazyCommunist
Member
Thu Apr 12 16:21:26
Putin and Assad are innocent! No hard evidence!
http://abc7news.com/3332300/
Mattis placed blame on Russia for the continuing alleged chemical attacks in Syria, despite the fact that Mattis said the U.S. does not have hard evidence that chemical weapons were used in the Douma attack that has killed at least 43 people.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Apr 12 17:50:16

I blame Russia too.

They told us the got rid of all of them.


Forwyn
Member
Thu Apr 12 19:08:37
Why does anyone care about dead Islamists?
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