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Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ
Mon Apr 16 14:37:47
LOL

Donald Trump
something Elloit
Sean Hannity

Deep state motherfucker
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Apr 16 15:21:11
crime family
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Apr 16 19:51:48

The judge is an ass hole.

Cohen's lawyers wanted to go through what was taken and then show the appropriate documents to the judge so he could determine if it was attorney/client privilege.

Instead, the jerk had two copies made, one for Cohen's lawyers and one for the prosecutors. You think we have seen leaks in the last year and a half, wait till more copies are made and distributed to the Trump haters.


You guys probably think that is hilarious, but the left just set a precedent that makes one of The Bill of Rights null and void. A perfect example of legislating from the bench.


Only much, much worse.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Apr 16 20:26:58
you feel they should've provided all the originals back to criminal Cohen without any copies?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Apr 16 20:38:14

No, I think Cohen and his lawyers should have been allowed to go through the documents, under supervision, and then the judge could have decided if they were protected or not.

This is just not right no matter how you spin it.

All of the stuff that the public has no right to know will be leaked.

hood
Member
Mon Apr 16 20:52:46
Rod is a dumbass if he thinks state AGs are going to leak evidence like that.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Apr 16 21:04:11

The head of the FBI and half of Washington are leaking info all over the place.

you are the dumbass if you think it won't get leaked. Why do you think McCabe was fired and why do you think Rosenstein should be fired.

Those people are slime.


Wait and see.

hood
Member
Mon Apr 16 21:05:10
They are not leaking court documents, fucknuts.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Apr 16 21:06:09
as far as I could tell, it was a win for Cohen as they get to see all that was taken before investigators can, so Cohen/Hannity/Trump know what they can still lie about and what they can't... plus tamper with any other witnesses in their cabal

I think normal circumstance is an independent team review and determine
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Apr 16 21:15:52

Wait and see.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Apr 16 21:26:19
actually I'm not sure if Cohen got a win, maybe it's standard for them to see too (I know it would be once he's charged, but seems unfortunate he gets to see now)

I thought I heard reporting about something going in his favor but can't find it in the news

In any case, no indication of anything improper done by judge or anyone investigating the criminals
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Apr 16 22:00:25

Y E T . . .

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Apr 16 22:23:11
whereas Trump says & does improper things on a semi-weekly basis

plus we hear he's put the breaks on Russia sanctions Nikki Haley had just announced & was pissed at how many Russians we expelled... the pee tape is real
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Apr 17 01:55:59

Stop, just stop the bull shit.

smart dude
Member
Tue Apr 17 07:07:18
Lol Rod is triggered hard.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Apr 17 07:22:41

I just get tired of his BS.

Rugian
Member
Tue Apr 17 07:23:15
Yeah, no deep state at work here...

---

SAT SEP 21, 2013 / 3:38 PM EDT
Soros weds consultant at his New York estate for his third marriage
Jennifer Ablan

(Reuters) - George Soros, the 83-year-old billionaire investor, philanthropist and active supporter of liberal political causes, married health care and education consultant Tamiko Bolton on Saturday afternoon.

Soros and Bolton, 42, exchanged vows in a small ceremony at his Bedford, New York, estate, which Soros bought in 2003 from "Jurassic Park" author Michael Crichton. ***Federal judge Kimba Wood*** officiated at the non-denominational wedding, which was attended by members of the couple's families, including the groom's five children, a source familiar with the wedding told Reuters on Saturday.

http://www...marriage-idUSL2N0HH0EW20130921

Jail them all!
hood
Member
Tue Apr 17 07:36:35
^ sad
murder
Member
Tue Apr 17 09:13:14

"Yeah, no deep state at work here..."

I'm shocked to learn that influential people know each other and socialize. Next thing you know something really crazy will be revealed ... like Trump hanging out with Bill and Hillary!

Nah, that's probably too crazy.

murder
Member
Tue Apr 17 09:15:20

BTW I can only assume that George Soros is behind Sean Hannity being Cohen's secret client ... and not disclosing it to viewers.

Rugian
Member
Tue Apr 17 10:01:10
murder,

For the record, this time two years ago I was posting about the Clintons-Trump relationship and how Trump was possibly a Hillary plant designed to guarantee her the election. The fact that she lost to her own plant merely highlights how unqualified she was as a candidate.

That having been said, George Soros is the epitome of all evil and anyone that voluntarily associates with him should be considered an enemy of the free world.
Dukhat
Member
Tue Apr 17 10:33:41
Mentally ill people often create bogeyman to justify their own inability to change.

See Rugian for many examples of this.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Apr 17 11:09:56

Hannity is not a client. He was just doing what practically everyone does if they meet someone with special knowledge that they need they try to get some of that knowledge for free.


Hannity asked him for some free info about real estate.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Apr 17 11:26:05
& Hannity would never lie!

also, Cohen stated Hannity was a client

something shady going on
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Apr 17 11:28:22
also Hannity tweeted
"...dealt almost exclusively about real estate"

http://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/985979659648159744

"almost"... as in "except for the dead hooker cover-ups"
Forwyn
Member
Tue Apr 17 12:00:45
"and not disclosing it to viewers."

Imagine being so retarded that you think that media personalities need to publicly disclose their attornies.

Who is Anderson Cooper's attorney? Diane Sawyer's? Rachel Maddow's?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Apr 17 12:03:24
they do disclose relationships when doing stories about said person/institution
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Apr 17 12:08:24
...not that Hannity has integrity to lose, or should be compared to actual journalists (he even admits occasionally that he's not one)
obaminated
Member
Tue Apr 17 13:32:42
Hannity shouldve disclosed his relationship with Cohen, that said, he wasnt a client of cohens, apparently all he did was ask a lawyer legal questions regarding real estate.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Apr 17 13:51:58
^according to Hannity... w/ the qualifier 'almost' the only thing

whereas in court, to a judge, Cohen named him as a client for some reason... in dramatic fashion
murder
Member
Tue Apr 17 14:00:08

"Hannity is not a client. He was just doing what practically everyone does if they meet someone with special knowledge that they need they try to get some of that knowledge for free."

Then I guess there's no privilege to worry about.

murder
Member
Tue Apr 17 14:05:08

"Hannity shouldve disclosed his relationship with Cohen, that said, he wasnt a client of cohens, apparently all he did was ask a lawyer legal questions regarding real estate."

I don't care either way aside from it being amusing. However, you should keep in mind that he was disclosed as a client in court. Hannity's denial on the other hand is not under oath.

He may end up under oath yet.

hood
Member
Tue Apr 17 14:43:03
Yeah, Cohen lying about Hannity being a client in court seems especially unlikely. Even if Cohen was just a real estate lawyer for Hannity, that's still something. It still gives Hannity plenty of reason to slander anyone speaking negatively about his attorney.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Apr 17 16:20:06

"Who is Anderson Cooper's attorney? Diane Sawyer's? Rachel Maddow's?"


Yeah, crash their lawyer's homes and offices, in the middle of the night, and make their private papers public.

Inquiring Minds Want to Know.

hood
Member
Tue Apr 17 16:35:18
Are those lawyers accused of crimes?
kargen
Member
Tue Apr 17 16:35:55
prosecutors aren't going to leak anything. First they don't want the defense team to know what they find interesting and worth pursuing. 2nd they run the risk of not being able to seat a jury that hasn't been exposed to the information.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Apr 17 17:07:13

I wasn't thinking of leaking details about the crime if any.

I was thinking of releasing information that the public has no right to know.

hood
Member
Tue Apr 17 17:11:01
They aren't going to leak anything whatsoever. It would be a huge snafu that would pretty effectively torpedo any attempt at getting a conviction.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Apr 17 17:16:55
More worrisome for Trump and Hot Rod is a taint team full of Strzoks that "restrict" info while passing it on for parallel construction.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Apr 17 17:39:15
Fox News weighed in saying they were not aware of Hannity's relationship with Cohen, but continue to support his entire lack of standards and accountability
obaminated
Member
Tue Apr 17 19:51:02
"standards and accountability", hey are those words you got from cnn/msnbc?

Seriously tw, can you post an original opinion? That's a sad state of affairs when a grown man literally repeats others opinions. You are a week or two away from becoming cuckhat.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Apr 17 20:46:21

tumblewood - "almost"... as in "except for the dead hooker cover-ups"


You are confusing Hannity with Sen. Ted Kennedy.

Didn't you see the movie yet?



mexicantardnado
Member
Tue Apr 17 20:49:55
""standards and accountability", hey are those words you got from cnn/msnbc?

Seriously tw, can you post an original opinion? That's a sad state of affairs when a grown man literally repeats others opinions. You are a week or two away from becoming cuckhat. "

Duuuur, I repeat duuur what trump duuuur says and duuur impersonate his duuuuuuur posting style duuuur, but duuuuur I am duuuur trying to duuuur be critical duuuuuur of others duuuuur postings duuuuur.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Apr 17 21:56:18
yes, i never expressed hatred for Hannity before CNN told me to...


"That's a sad state of affairs when a grown man literally repeats others opinions"

that's all Trump does by the way... watches Fox & Friends then repeats what they said on twitter
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Apr 17 21:59:20
for the record, i believe Hannity is probably the worst show on TV... harming the country more than any other... and that's NOT an opinion you'd hear on CNN as they don't make attacks like that (unlike Hannity does every single show... & others on Fox)
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Apr 17 23:06:49

Of course, you do punky.

We know that the Rachel Maddow show is your favorite and that you pound your pud when you watch her.

Y2A
Member
Wed Apr 18 00:19:28
Skinhead tuck the cuck is way worse than hannity.
Forwyn
Member
Thu Apr 19 10:19:20
In all public filings and proceedings, federal prosecutors should remain sensitive to the privacy and reputation interests of uncharged third-parties. In the context of public plea and sentencing proceedings, this means that, in the absence of some significant justification, it is not appropriate to identify (either by name or unnecessarily-specific description), or cause a defendant to identify, a third-party wrongdoer unless that party has been officially charged with the misconduct at issue. In the unusual instance where identification of an uncharged third-party wrongdoer during a plea or sentencing hearing is justified, the express approval of the United States Attorney and the appropriate Assistant Attorney General should be obtained prior to the hearing absent exigent circumstances. See USAM 9-16.500. In other less predictable contexts, federal prosecutors should strive to avoid unnecessary public references to wrongdoing by uncharged third-parties. With respect to bills of particulars that identify unindicted co-conspirators, prosecutors generally should seek leave to file such documents under seal. Prosecutors shall comply, however, with any court order directing the public filing of a bill of particulars.

As a series of cases makes clear, there is ordinarily "no legitimate governmental interest served" by the government's public allegation of wrongdoing by an uncharged party, and this is true "[r]egardless of what criminal charges may . . . b[e] contemplated by the Assistant United States Attorney against the [third-party] for the future." In re Smith, 656 F.2d 1101, 1106-07 (5th Cir. 1981). Courts have applied this reasoning to preclude the public identification of unindicted third-party wrongdoers in plea hearings, sentencing memoranda, and other government pleadings. See Finn v. Schiller, 72 F.3d 1182 (4th Cir. 1996); United States v. Briggs, 513 F.2d 794 (5th Cir. 1975); United States. v Anderson, 55 F.Supp.2d 1163 (D. Kan 1999); United States v. Smith, 992 F. Supp. 743 (D.N.J. 1998); see also USAM 9-11.130.

In most cases, any legitimate governmental interest in referring to uncharged third-party wrongdoers can be advanced through means other than those condemned in this line of cases. For example, in those cases where the offense to which a defendant is pleading guilty requires as an element that a third-party have a particular status (e.g., 18 U.S.C. § 203(a)(2)), the third-party can usually be referred to generically ("a Member of Congress"), rather than identified specifically ("Senator X"), at the defendant's plea hearing. Similarly, when the defendant engaged in joint criminal conduct with others, generic references ("another individual") to the uncharged third-party wrongdoers can be used when describing the factual basis for the defendant's guilty plea.

http://www...s-federal-prosecution#9-27.760
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Apr 19 10:34:56
are you posting that in reference to identifying Hannity?

Cohen wants attorney-client privileges, so obviously he has to identify his clients

and this was not during a plea or sentencing, plus no allegation of wrongdoing, so hardly any of that relevant
hood
Member
Thu Apr 19 10:53:11
Wait wait wait. So you're saying that all of the fear mongering was bullshit? That those of us suggesting that the prosecution would play fair and not leak shit were right?

Weird.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Apr 19 11:12:49

Not sure about that but the prosecution is not the only ones that will see the data.

Hell, a copy boy could hate Trump enough to make a dozen or two or 10 to pass on to the press.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Apr 19 11:39:13
Mueller indictments have been surprises so that corrupt partisan dirtbag seems to be doing a good job on not leaking

also, leaks tend to be true... the crimes of our mob boss president & his capos should be known to the public asap
obaminated
Member
Thu Apr 19 12:52:50
Trump is a mob boss now?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Apr 19 13:59:05
yes


Comey had a great interview with Colbert, all should watch

he explained all his decisions again w/ some more detail... all make sense, w/ no evidence of partisanship... plus good observations of Trump

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-nGPNn19vE

a totally credible person... the smear machine calling him a liar is pretty lacking in actual lies
Dukhat
Member
Thu Apr 19 16:28:28
Hannity basically admitted that he used Cohen to launder money.

He was like blah blah blah not a client blah blah blah maybe once about real estate blah blah blah.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Apr 19 16:46:02
there's possibly another payoff to a woman & since Cohen uses aliases on the agreements, Hannity hopes no proof that the "David Dennison" is Hannity
obaminated
Member
Thu Apr 19 18:23:35
The amount of desperation for provable corruption by cuckhat and tw is amazing
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Apr 19 18:47:59
desperation is declaring this completely legal raid "an attack on our country"

Cohen is a criminal... Trump & Hannity are dirtbags w/ relationships with a criminal

a legal advisor for Trump was just on CNN suggesting Cohen might lie about Trump for leniency... so the smearing of Cohen may already be starting
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Apr 19 20:17:15

Looks to me like you already started smearing Cohen and you don't even have anything to gain.

hood
Member
Fri Apr 20 07:50:53
It's hardly smearing to call someone who has been arrested and is actively engaged in defending themselves, a criminal. Especially considering the circumstances of the arrest. Cohen wouldn't be arrested if they didn't have very solid evidence against him.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Apr 20 08:23:35

Yet we have a concept in this country, 'innocent until proven guilty'.


Ever heard of it.

hood
Member
Fri Apr 20 08:42:10
Is this a court proceeding, hr?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Apr 20 10:44:35
he's not arrested yet... but will be

they need probable cause in a normal scenario... in this case (lawyer of a president + total liar prez who will try to ruin your career/life) they would've had near certainty/full certainty
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Apr 20 10:45:36
it was months between Manafort raids & charges
Cold Rod
Member
Fri Apr 20 11:15:19
Hot rod is so so so stupid.
obaminated
Member
Fri Apr 20 11:18:17
Cohen isn't arrested. They;ve stopped investigating trump for collusion with the ruskies. So at this point, it is literally them just free reign investigating for any laws broken around trump. This is why these sort of investigations are terrible. It has nothing to do with the campaign or the white house.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Apr 20 11:31:03
"They;ve stopped investigating trump for collusion with the ruskies"

um... False

and I guess no matter how many crimes he's involved in, as long as it's not related to the presidency, you'll be fine with it?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Apr 20 11:32:02

So, you care nothing for justice.

Got it.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Apr 20 11:32:48
also "nothing to do with the campaign" is false as well

crimes around the Stormy payoff could easily involve the campaign
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Apr 20 11:33:45

How?

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Apr 20 11:44:52
one possibility:

"
Common Cause‘s Paul Ryan (himself a former lawyer with the Campaign Legal Center) noted on Twitter that the use of Trump Organization resources probably violates 11 CFR 114.2(f). That reads, with our added emphasis:

“Corporations and labor organizations (including officers, directors or other representatives acting as agents of corporations and labor organizations) are prohibited from facilitating the making of contributions to candidates or political committees, other than to the separate segregated funds of the corporations and labor organizations. Facilitation means using corporate or labor organization resources or facilities to engage in fundraising activities in connection with any federal election …”

“The use of the Trump Organization email is evidence that Cohen’s services were, at least in part, being paid for by the Trump Organization,” Noble said in an email. “That would be an illegal corporate contribution to the campaign even if the company did not pay the $130,000.”
"

http://www...ay-have-violated-election-law/

we still don't know the details of that payment from the criminal lawyer and total liar president
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Apr 20 12:12:32

How did Cohen get access to campaign funds?

He is Trumps ***PERSONAL***lawyer.


I'm not even sure that Trump has access to campaign funds.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Apr 20 12:29:46
that snippet is about Cohen working for the Trump campaign, and doing his payoffs through that office

where the money came from is still unknown... very doubtful it's all Cohen
American Democrat
Member
Fri Apr 20 12:54:20
"They;ve stopped investigating trump for collusion with the ruskies. "

They have not.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Apr 20 18:43:59
"
Cohen’s uncle, owned and ran a Brooklyn social club, El Caribe, which was a well-known meeting spot for members of Italian and Russian organized crime families in the 1970s and 1980s.

...From the 70s through the 90s at least, the bosses of the Russian mafia in the U.S. literally ran their crime organization out of the El Caribe.
"
http://tal...gets-mobbier-the-closer-i-look
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