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tumbleweed
the wanderer Thu Apr 26 12:50:32
...of 3 counts of sexual assault

tumbleweed
the wanderer Thu Apr 26 12:53:15
example of Cosby pressuring a woman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNmyMqLIYQY

Rugian
Member Thu Apr 26 12:58:42
^makes you nostalgic for the days when you were a little kid and the only two black people you knew of were the Jello guy and Gordon from Sesame Street. Those were simpler times.

Rugian
Member Thu Apr 26 13:00:37
Anyway, 80 year olds should be automatically cleared of any wrongdoing if they made it that far without getting caught.

obaminated
Member Thu Apr 26 13:07:04
Look, none of us like to rape women, but sometimes they say no when youre horny.

Y2A
Member Thu Apr 26 13:08:43
They are going to catch you before 80 rug.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Thu Apr 26 13:20:07
"I don't have a plane, you asshole!"
~Cosby to DA who wanted his bail revoked pending appeal, citing flight risk

obaminated
Member Thu Apr 26 13:23:49
Well, if he doesn't have a plane.....

Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ Thu Apr 26 13:25:52
Let the fucker rot.

obaminated
Member Thu Apr 26 13:28:32
Okay, thats a fair position. But let's be honest, we all have fond memories of him. It is somewhat sad and disappointing that he felt he had to drug women to get them to have sex with him. In a way, he is a victim himself.

obaminated
Member Thu Apr 26 13:32:30
also hilarious that the women are claiming that now the public is believing them... i am pretty sure when a man is accused of rape it is on him to prove it never happened, and it's been like that for decades

Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ Thu Apr 26 13:33:57
He was rich, handsome, and very charismatic if he wanted to sleep with lots of women there are plenty with daddy issues that would comply, but he didn't he drugged and manipulated thus should rot in prison.

TJ
Member Thu Apr 26 13:34:36
Pending sentencing not appeal. Consistency of testimony by multiple accusers determined his guilt.

CrownRoyal
Member Thu Apr 26 13:46:45
prime presidential pardon candidate

obaminated
Member Thu Apr 26 13:47:39
CR wins the thread. well done amigo.

Rugian
Member Thu Apr 26 13:51:50
Between dragon energy and a possible Cosby pardon, Trump's slowly winning back that black vote.

obaminated
Member Thu Apr 26 13:54:00
dude kanye is not all there right now, he had a meltdown last year too. I think it has to do with the anniversay of his mom's death? that is what triggered him last year.

but, historically, a lot of artistic and creative people tend to be bipolar and borderline crazy. that's kanye and his weird rant.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Thu Apr 26 14:42:18
Kanye & Trump are definitely similar... (just like Cosby & Trump)

"I'm going down as a legend, whether or not you like me or not. I am the new Jim Morrison. I am the new Kurt Cobain ... The Bible had 20, 30, 40, 50 characters in it. You don't think that I would be one of the characters of today's modern Bible?"

"My greatest pain in life is that I will never be able to see myself perform live."

"I am the number one human being in music. That means any person that's living or breathing is number two. Because I'm number one now. You are in the presence of the champion. Bow in the presence of greatness."

Hot Rod
Revved Up Thu Apr 26 14:50:19

Why is it that five of his "conquests" were allowed to testify while someone on trial for mass murder or certain other felonies is tried without his past history being held against him?

hood
Member Thu Apr 26 14:55:18
The answer to that is that you are completely retarded. Character witnesses most definitely exist in murder trials.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Thu Apr 26 15:16:08

Aren't character witnesses there to bolster the goodness of the person trial.

To use a character witness against the accused is, in essence, using evidence of a prior crime or conviction and is not normally allowed.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Thu Apr 26 15:17:02
past history isn't allowed if it's unrelated

i'm not sure it's clear why the judge allowed more women to speak this time than in the first trial

Hot Rod
Revved Up Thu Apr 26 15:17:30
*-person on trial

obaminated
Member Thu Apr 26 15:35:06
this conversation was going interesting until HR un-satirically defended the rapist.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Thu Apr 26 15:46:16

I'm not defending him, I'm just trying to understand what appears to be a contradiction in the law.

TJ
Member Thu Apr 26 16:01:54
HR:

The Judge allowed in order to establish a pattern of taking advantage of women. It was a 14 year old assault if I'm not mistaken.

The allowance will be one of the points in Cosby's defense in appealing the verdict. He is innocent like OJ was, eh?

What are the odds that he won't spend a single day in jail?

Rugian
Member Thu Apr 26 16:08:43
It just sucks that he's likely going to have to spend the rest of his days dealing with this bullshit. Women are such vindictive creatures.

Dukhat
Member Thu Apr 26 16:12:20
It was super emotionally charged. All the women had heard each others stories already through the news. Of course there was going to be a consistency to the story. I'm guessing the prosecutors asked more specific questions to try to allay those fears but I doubt you can get rid of the bias.

Not saying Cosby isn'y guilty but there really is no real (as in Forensic evidence) that proves anything.

Rugian
Member Thu Apr 26 16:14:01
MT,

I don't care if Kanye writes his sheet music with his own fecal matter, as long as we end up with Detroit and Compton getting on board with the MAGA train.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Thu Apr 26 16:22:05

They just explained on TV that prosecutors fought to allow other women to testify in order to set a pattern of sexual assault by the accused.

The reason is that the word of one woman was not valid because of, he said/she said.

Because of the doping but more because of the trauma and the lack of evidence the prosecutors are now allowed to bring more women assaulted by the same person to testify against the perpetrator to set the pattern.

This is evidently something new or only practiced in a few states. It is something new to me.

TJ
Member Thu Apr 26 16:22:39
Vengeance doesn't equal justice I'll agree. He shouldn't have much trouble dealing with his degenerate behavior. He's been doing it for years. It's the exposure of it that he'll have trouble dealing with in the future.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Thu Apr 26 18:02:50

I think you are right.

He certainly won't get the degree of respect he is used to.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Thu Apr 26 18:06:44

The janitor in our building had a Cosby t-shirt on the other day.

I was wearing my shirt showing Franklin, Adams, and Jefferson working on The Declaration.

kargen
Member Thu Apr 26 20:17:01
"^makes you nostalgic for the days when you were a little kid and the only two black people you knew of were the Jello guy and Gordon from Sesame Street. Those were simpler times."

I only knew one, Uhura on Star Trek.

Wait, I watched Fat Albert on Saturday mornings so I guess I knew six or seven black people.

Oh and Sanford and Son. Wow I knew a lot of black people when I was kid.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Thu Apr 26 22:42:20

Don't forget Amos and Beulah and Stepin Fetchit.

They were my favorites.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Thu Apr 26 22:49:05
*-Amos and Andy

Dukhat
Member Fri Apr 27 03:16:23
Reading up on this case does make my blood boil. They actually got janice dickenson to take the stand as one of 5 witnesses. Really? A washed up attention-seeking whore who proudly boasts of sleeping with over 1000 men. There were so many other witnesses to chose from.

And the breaking of sealed testimony and the allowance of biased witnesses that had already heard each others stories and the fucking retarded prosecutor who goaded Cosby with a lie that he had a plane.

Fuck, I hope Trump pardons Cosby for shits and giggles. If the dems make metoo any part of their platform, I'm voting straight ticket republican.

Paramount
Member Fri Apr 27 06:09:57
So Cosby is going to spend the rest of his life in jail?

Dukhat
Member Fri Apr 27 11:25:34
Cosby might be going to jail a little bit but I don't think it will last. He has to go while the appeals go through and its likely given his age he serves concurrently and has a reduced sentence. Might even be house arrest given he is practically blind and infirm at this point.

The judge in question was the same as the last case and provided scant legal reason why he let 5 women act as witnesses this time when he allowed 1 before. Literally the judge was fishing for a guilty plea.

It was judicial activism based on an incredibly weak precedent that ocurred at the sstate level a few months before.

Also Constand was proven a liar when she said she didn't know the roommate that testified she made up allegations to get money.

I persobally belueved Cosby druggee women but you don't chuck due process to affirm a mob's foregone conclusion. Convictions should be baser on real evidence and not hearsay.

Cosby may be guilty but to try him after #metoo meant he would never get a fair trial given how every witness had heard each others story.

Dukhat
Member Fri Apr 27 11:29:18
which is to say on appeal, I think there's a chance that the verduct is overturned. Don't think it's great as so much emotion surrounds the debate and democratic judges are more sensitive to popular opinion in their rulings.

TJ
Member Fri Apr 27 12:40:18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=a3hOCmJMbkc

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tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Apr 26 12:50:32 ...of 3 counts of sexual assault
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Apr 26 12:53:15 example of Cosby pressuring a woman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNmyMqLIYQY
Rugian Member	Thu Apr 26 12:58:42 ^makes you nostalgic for the days when you were a little kid and the only two black people you knew of were the Jello guy and Gordon from Sesame Street. Those were simpler times.
Rugian Member	Thu Apr 26 13:00:37 Anyway, 80 year olds should be automatically cleared of any wrongdoing if they made it that far without getting caught.
obaminated Member	Thu Apr 26 13:07:04 Look, none of us like to rape women, but sometimes they say no when youre horny.
Y2A Member	Thu Apr 26 13:08:43 They are going to catch you before 80 rug.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Apr 26 13:20:07 "I don't have a plane, you asshole!" ~Cosby to DA who wanted his bail revoked pending appeal, citing flight risk
obaminated Member	Thu Apr 26 13:23:49 Well, if he doesn't have a plane.....
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Thu Apr 26 13:25:52 Let the fucker rot.
obaminated Member	Thu Apr 26 13:28:32 Okay, thats a fair position. But let's be honest, we all have fond memories of him. It is somewhat sad and disappointing that he felt he had to drug women to get them to have sex with him. In a way, he is a victim himself.
obaminated Member	Thu Apr 26 13:32:30 also hilarious that the women are claiming that now the public is believing them... i am pretty sure when a man is accused of rape it is on him to prove it never happened, and it's been like that for decades
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Thu Apr 26 13:33:57 He was rich, handsome, and very charismatic if he wanted to sleep with lots of women there are plenty with daddy issues that would comply, but he didn't he drugged and manipulated thus should rot in prison.
TJ Member	Thu Apr 26 13:34:36 Pending sentencing not appeal. Consistency of testimony by multiple accusers determined his guilt.
CrownRoyal Member	Thu Apr 26 13:46:45 prime presidential pardon candidate
obaminated Member	Thu Apr 26 13:47:39 CR wins the thread. well done amigo.
Rugian Member	Thu Apr 26 13:51:50 Between dragon energy and a possible Cosby pardon, Trump's slowly winning back that black vote.
obaminated Member	Thu Apr 26 13:54:00 dude kanye is not all there right now, he had a meltdown last year too. I think it has to do with the anniversay of his mom's death? that is what triggered him last year. but, historically, a lot of artistic and creative people tend to be bipolar and borderline crazy. that's kanye and his weird rant.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Apr 26 14:42:18 Kanye & Trump are definitely similar... (just like Cosby & Trump) "I'm going down as a legend, whether or not you like me or not. I am the new Jim Morrison. I am the new Kurt Cobain ... The Bible had 20, 30, 40, 50 characters in it. You don't think that I would be one of the characters of today's modern Bible?" "My greatest pain in life is that I will never be able to see myself perform live." "I am the number one human being in music. That means any person that's living or breathing is number two. Because I'm number one now. You are in the presence of the champion. Bow in the presence of greatness."
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Apr 26 14:50:19 Why is it that five of his "conquests" were allowed to testify while someone on trial for mass murder or certain other felonies is tried without his past history being held against him?
hood Member	Thu Apr 26 14:55:18 The answer to that is that you are completely retarded. Character witnesses most definitely exist in murder trials.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Apr 26 15:16:08 Aren't character witnesses there to bolster the goodness of the person trial. To use a character witness against the accused is, in essence, using evidence of a prior crime or conviction and is not normally allowed.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Apr 26 15:17:02 past history isn't allowed if it's unrelated i'm not sure it's clear why the judge allowed more women to speak this time than in the first trial
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Apr 26 15:17:30 *-person on trial
obaminated Member	Thu Apr 26 15:35:06 this conversation was going interesting until HR un-satirically defended the rapist.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Apr 26 15:46:16 I'm not defending him, I'm just trying to understand what appears to be a contradiction in the law.
TJ Member	Thu Apr 26 16:01:54 HR: The Judge allowed in order to establish a pattern of taking advantage of women. It was a 14 year old assault if I'm not mistaken. The allowance will be one of the points in Cosby's defense in appealing the verdict. He is innocent like OJ was, eh? What are the odds that he won't spend a single day in jail?
Rugian Member	Thu Apr 26 16:08:43 It just sucks that he's likely going to have to spend the rest of his days dealing with this bullshit. Women are such vindictive creatures.
Dukhat Member	Thu Apr 26 16:12:20 It was super emotionally charged. All the women had heard each others stories already through the news. Of course there was going to be a consistency to the story. I'm guessing the prosecutors asked more specific questions to try to allay those fears but I doubt you can get rid of the bias. Not saying Cosby isn'y guilty but there really is no real (as in Forensic evidence) that proves anything.
Rugian Member	Thu Apr 26 16:14:01 MT, I don't care if Kanye writes his sheet music with his own fecal matter, as long as we end up with Detroit and Compton getting on board with the MAGA train.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Apr 26 16:22:05 They just explained on TV that prosecutors fought to allow other women to testify in order to set a pattern of sexual assault by the accused. The reason is that the word of one woman was not valid because of, he said/she said. Because of the doping but more because of the trauma and the lack of evidence the prosecutors are now allowed to bring more women assaulted by the same person to testify against the perpetrator to set the pattern. This is evidently something new or only practiced in a few states. It is something new to me.
TJ Member	Thu Apr 26 16:22:39 Vengeance doesn't equal justice I'll agree. He shouldn't have much trouble dealing with his degenerate behavior. He's been doing it for years. It's the exposure of it that he'll have trouble dealing with in the future.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Apr 26 18:02:50 I think you are right. He certainly won't get the degree of respect he is used to.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Apr 26 18:06:44 The janitor in our building had a Cosby t-shirt on the other day. I was wearing my shirt showing Franklin, Adams, and Jefferson working on The Declaration.
kargen Member	Thu Apr 26 20:17:01 "^makes you nostalgic for the days when you were a little kid and the only two black people you knew of were the Jello guy and Gordon from Sesame Street. Those were simpler times." I only knew one, Uhura on Star Trek. Wait, I watched Fat Albert on Saturday mornings so I guess I knew six or seven black people. Oh and Sanford and Son. Wow I knew a lot of black people when I was kid.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Apr 26 22:42:20 Don't forget Amos and Beulah and Stepin Fetchit. They were my favorites.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Apr 26 22:49:05 *-Amos and Andy
Dukhat Member	Fri Apr 27 03:16:23 Reading up on this case does make my blood boil. They actually got janice dickenson to take the stand as one of 5 witnesses. Really? A washed up attention-seeking whore who proudly boasts of sleeping with over 1000 men. There were so many other witnesses to chose from. And the breaking of sealed testimony and the allowance of biased witnesses that had already heard each others stories and the fucking retarded prosecutor who goaded Cosby with a lie that he had a plane. Fuck, I hope Trump pardons Cosby for shits and giggles. If the dems make metoo any part of their platform, I'm voting straight ticket republican.
Paramount Member	Fri Apr 27 06:09:57 So Cosby is going to spend the rest of his life in jail?
Dukhat Member	Fri Apr 27 11:25:34 Cosby might be going to jail a little bit but I don't think it will last. He has to go while the appeals go through and its likely given his age he serves concurrently and has a reduced sentence. Might even be house arrest given he is practically blind and infirm at this point. The judge in question was the same as the last case and provided scant legal reason why he let 5 women act as witnesses this time when he allowed 1 before. Literally the judge was fishing for a guilty plea. It was judicial activism based on an incredibly weak precedent that ocurred at the sstate level a few months before. Also Constand was proven a liar when she said she didn't know the roommate that testified she made up allegations to get money. I persobally belueved Cosby druggee women but you don't chuck due process to affirm a mob's foregone conclusion. Convictions should be baser on real evidence and not hearsay. Cosby may be guilty but to try him after #metoo meant he would never get a fair trial given how every witness had heard each others story.
Dukhat Member	Fri Apr 27 11:29:18 which is to say on appeal, I think there's a chance that the verduct is overturned. Don't think it's great as so much emotion surrounds the debate and democratic judges are more sensitive to popular opinion in their rulings.
TJ Member	Fri Apr 27 12:40:18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=a3hOCmJMbkc
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