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Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed May 02 14:40:51

The courts just awarded it to the victims of 9/11.



Thanks, Obama you miserable rotten stinking insufferable SON-OF-A-BITCH.

You will surely burn in hell if there is one.

swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Wed May 02 14:41:43
"The courts just awarded it to the victims of 9/11."

lol.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed May 02 14:43:36

Of course, you would think it funny since you voted for the mother-fucker.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed May 02 14:45:11

The slimy bastard should go hide in Iran.

jergul
large member
Wed May 02 14:49:40
It was Iran's money.

For perpetrators of 9-11, see Saudi nationals. For planners of the attack, see House of Saud, Bin Laden branch.

Communists confiscate and redistribute HR. You should be proud it did not happen this time.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed May 02 14:57:01

No, it was being held pending the outcome of the court's decision.

obama made himself judge, jury, and executioner before the courts could make their decision.
Now that the courts decided to award it to the victims terrorist obama has given it to his terrorist buddies.

He is no better than the worst of terrorists. He certainly has done more damage than the worst terrorists.

The cocksucker.

Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ
Wed May 02 15:01:51
Iran had nothing to do with 9/11 you fucking twat.
jergul
large member
Wed May 02 15:07:25
It was frozen awaiting verification that Iran had ended nuclear weapon programmes. The verification process resulted in a multinational deal involving all permanent members of the UNSC, plus the EU and Iran. It including unfreezing Iranian assets in the US.

This was in 2015

Suing foreign governments in US courts did not become legal until 2016.

The culprit is in any event Saudi Arabia and as you know, is the main target of the ongoing hunt for compensation.

Could you please not be such a hack?
Cold Rod
Member
Wed May 02 15:11:44
Oh look hot rod being himself lol
Cold Rod
Member
Wed May 02 15:21:41
Lol did hot rod get duped?

http://spu...081568-us-court-billions-iran/

"Sputnik news"

Lol!
Paramount
Member
Wed May 02 15:30:17
Wow, Hot Rod. You really are very dumb.
Cold Rod
Member
Wed May 02 15:32:37
So looking into it more. It's a "hollow" victory that Iran will most likely not have to pay out. Essence the 9/11 commission found no evidence of involvement to 9/11.

In other words, hot rod being obsessed with Obama because he misses him as president. Mainly because trump is a horrible president.
Forwyn
Member
Wed May 02 15:38:39
Imagine thinking that the Sunni perpetrators of 9/11 had more to do with Shia Iran than Sunni Saudi Arabia. LOL
Paramount
Member
Wed May 02 15:44:56
Hot Rod is so dumb. lol

Maybe he skipped his daily afternoon nap today.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed May 02 16:02:22
I see Retard Rod is really worked up. Maybe this will be the end of him.
Hct Rcd
Member
Wed May 02 16:17:32
Fuck you O-B-A-M-A!!

-30-
Dukhat
Member
Wed May 02 16:20:44
Typical dumbfuck cuckservative.

Exaggerate what the other side did in order to create all-evil scapegoat.

Proceed to act heinously yourself feeling justified because the "other side is worse."

There's a very hot place waiting for you once you die Hot Rod and it is eternal.

The only mother-fucker here was you: or more accurately child-fucker.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed May 02 21:37:22

Apologies accepted.


Iran ordered to pay billions to relatives of 9/11 victims

By Aaron Katersky

May 1, 2018, 5:28 PM ET


It might be a hollow victory but it's a victory nonetheless for relatives of victims of the Sept. 11 terror attacks.
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A federal judge in New York on Tuesday ordered Iran to pay billions of dollars to parents, spouses, siblings and children of more than 1,000 9/11 victims, court documents obtained by ABC News show.

The default judgment issued by Judge George B. Daniels finds the Islamic Republic of Iran, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran are liable for the deaths of 1,008 people whose families sued.

The lawsuit, which was first filed in 2004 and allowed to go forward in 2016 after Congress passed Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act to open sovereign states accused of terrorism to liability, alleged Iran provided assistance, including training, to the 9/11 hijackers even though the 9/11 Commission found no direct evidence of Iranian support.

Legal experts say law allowing 9/11 families to sue Saudi Arabia has consequences

PHOTO: Smoke pours from the twin towers of the World Trade Center after they were hit by two hijacked airliners in a terrorist attack Sept. 11, 2001 in New York.Robert Giroux/Getty Images
Smoke pours from the twin towers of the World Trade Center after they were hit by two hijacked airliners in a terrorist attack Sept. 11, 2001 in New York.
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The judge set damage awards according to the following scale: $12.5 million per spouse, $8.5 million per parent, $8.5 million per child and $4.25 million per sibling.

The plaintiffs may apply for punitive damages at a later date, the judge’s order said.

“In December 2011, a New York federal court held a hearing and found that the evidence presented established that Iran’s provision of material support to al-Qaeda was a cause of the 9/11 attacks and the resulting damage, injuries, and deaths,” said attorney Robert Haefele of Motley Rice LLC, who represents the plaintiffs.

“It is difficult for those injured or left behind to ignore the findings of the federal court about Iran’s culpability," Haefele continued. "But those findings should not overshadow the mountain of evidence presented against Saudi Arabia, which remains central to the plaintiffs’ case.”

However, the judgment is largely symbolic. Iran has never responded to the lawsuit and is unlikely to ever pay.

The order does make the families eligible to collect from a small fund of seized Iranian assets that has been used in the past to compensate families of victims of Hezbollah attacks and other violence attributed to Iran.

The judgment is part of the larger case the 9/11 families are pursuing against Saudi Arabia. There’s a conference in that case later this month.


http://abc...-911-victims/story?id=54862664

Forwyn
Member
Wed May 02 21:52:14
"Iran’s provision of material support to al-Qaeda"

lol. How fucking idiotic.

You know Iranian al Quds helped depose the Taliban, right?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed May 02 21:53:33

I admit I jumped to the conclusion that the money was a great deal more than the Billions in the story. Not sure what it adds up to but it seems I heard $8 Billion.

And I wasn't paying a great deal of attention tonight because I'm working on something.



Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed May 02 21:54:18

Take it up with the courts.

Forwyn
Member
Wed May 02 22:08:40
Default judgment is a binding judgment in favor of either party based on some failure to take action by the other party. Most often, it is a judgment in favor of a plaintiff when the defendant has not responded to a summons or has failed to appear before a court of law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Default_judgment
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu May 03 05:51:45

It looks like that may be what happened. As I understand it Iran never showed up in court or contested the lawsuit in any way.

American Democrat
Member
Thu May 03 06:11:30
And you expect them to? They have no obligation to do so and more explicitly had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. This was purely for show and as reported and acknowledged it was a 'hollow' victory as it not anything significant.

Though, your anger is clearly displaced from your OP. You should be more angered at the administration prior to Obama which the GOP did not want to vote to past the 9/11 Responders bill and it wasn't until Obama's term where it passed and Obama signed it into law that lasts up to 2090. This also entails the Victims Aid and Compensation act, which was also reauthorized by Obama.


Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu May 03 08:48:28

Why wasn't the law passed and signed in 2010?

Or before?



ad - And you expect them to?

No. What I expected was obama to leave the money where it was instead of him becoming, unilaterally, the judge, jury, and executioner.

jergul
large member
Thu May 03 10:22:50
HR
It was illegal to sue Iran until 2016. The frozen assets were freed in 2015.

The retroactive legislation that allows for suing countries over 9-11 is suspect in any event.

"We are introducing a law today that makes you liable for stuff you did decades ago".
jergul
large member
Thu May 03 10:26:49
ST. PETERSBURG, May 3. /TASS/. The St. Petersburg city court has upheld the decision to confiscate from the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania in New York the compound in the community of Solnechnoye on the Gulf of Finland and convert it to state property, the St. Petersburg courts’ press service said on Thursday.

Earlier, a court of lower instance found that officially the Administrative Center of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia in 2000 donated the real estate compound on the coast of the Gulf of Finland to the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, registered on US territory. However, according to the courts’ press-service, the Administrative Center continued to use the facilities as before, which was a reason enough to declare the transaction fictitious and void. The property was taken over by the state.

The compound consists of sixteen items - plots of land, homes and buildings more than 880 million rubles ($13.9 million) worth.

Earlier, TASS reported that the defendants had disagreed with the lower instance court’s ruling and filed an appeal at the St. Petersburg city court. In particular, they argued that substantive law had been violated and anti-extremist law sanctions were used against them without a reason.

Russia’s Supreme Court had declared Jehovah’s Witnesses an extremist organization and outlawed its activity in Russia.


More:
http://tass.com/world/1002773

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Hr
Yay? Or do you just favour some forms of confiscation?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu May 03 12:22:31

jergul - It was illegal to sue Iran until 2016. The frozen assets were freed in 2015.

The key word there is 'frozen'.



jergul - "We are introducing a law today that makes you liable for stuff you did decades ago".

I can tell you right now you are *NOT* going to get much from me. I am poorer than poor.

jergul
large member
Thu May 03 14:08:47
You seem tired and emotional HR.

The assets were frozen because of Irans nuclear programme, not as security for future legation from random class action suits.

A deal was reached on the nuclear stuff, the assets were unfrozen.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu May 03 15:03:00

That was a decision for the court to make.

Not a wannabe dictator for life.

Cold Rod
Member
Thu May 03 15:14:10
So you agree that Trump is a wannabe dictator? Progress!
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu May 03 15:26:15

cr, Damn you get exponentially stupider with every post.

Cold Rod
Member
Thu May 03 15:27:06
Isn't that is what you demonstrated in this thread? LOL
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu May 03 16:22:39

I guess you are referring to the ABC article I posted.

Cold Rod
Member
Thu May 03 16:57:36
Lol, wow, still dumb and cannot comprehend. "But, but Obama, waaaaaah!"
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu May 03 17:07:43

What's it like down there in the stupid chasm?

Have you figured out how to lie your way out of it yet?


Thought not.

Cold Rod
Member
Thu May 03 17:11:29
Someone here on UP has a history of lying. Someone here on up is supporting a president that consistently and constantly lies.

Someone here on UP made a thread filled with conjecture and half-truths that are being addressed and someone here on UP is being chastise for it.

Here is a hint; its Hot Rod.

LOL!

Stupid fucking pedophile you are.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu May 03 17:17:21

I am quite sure you hold the record now big fat liar.

Pee be upon you.

I have things to do.

Cold Rod
Member
Thu May 03 17:22:33
Sure you do buddy!
jergul
large member
Fri May 04 02:30:31
HR
It was conclusively a decision for the cheif executive to make.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri May 04 04:34:46

cr, yes I did and do.

I'm setting up a catalog system for my movie collection. I have over 2000 movies on DVD.



jergul, not in this country. We have three separate branches of government.

Executive
Legislative
Judicial.

The keyword there is 'separate'.


jergul
large member
Fri May 04 06:09:32
HR
The executive decision to unfreeze the assets is legal until the USSC rules otherwise.

You cannot hold other countries hostage to your judicial system if you want to remain a relevant nation. The legislature knows this and has generally forbidden naming nation-states in suites.

The exception being tailored legislation introduced in 2016 that other nations are quite properely ignoring.
jergul
large member
Fri May 04 06:09:57
Good luck with Saudi Arabia. That is where the real money is anyway.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri May 04 12:00:39

The point is, one branch cannot make decisions that involve another branch.

Just as the President cannot make laws the judiciary cannot legislate from the bench.


What the hell, the foul deed is done anyway.



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