Welcome to the Utopia Forums! Register a new account
The current time is Mon Aug 20 11:19:34 2018

Utopia Talk / Politics / Trump will destroy US cred at 2pm May 8
Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ
Mon May 07 16:16:54
Any chance Trump will do the obvious right thing and keep the deal or work to expand it?

Rugian
Member
Mon May 07 16:21:53
Is it too late for the Iranians to try and use flattery? The Archway of Ctesiphon would make a great entrance to a Trump International Hotel and Casino Iran.
murder
Member
Mon May 07 16:29:37

The US will pull out of the deal while the other nations try to hold Iran to the agreement.

Paramount
Member
Mon May 07 16:36:59
I hope NK will take note. Don’t sign agreements with the US.

Ever since day 1 they have been dishonest, cheating and lying.

Look at the Natives, for an example.
They are cheating Russia too by expanding Nato to Russia’s borders.
Now they are cheating Iran.

A very dishonest country. The Natives were right. The white man speaks with a forked tongue.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon May 07 16:53:05
i've heard Trump complain about the deal pleny (never heard him demonstrate any knowledge about it though)... and haven't heard him explain how it helps to pull out of it

so... he could do like with the budget & claim he hates it yet goes along with it claiming some win on some nonsense
Dukhat
Member
Mon May 07 17:04:13
Trump always does this stupid bullshit. Brinksmanship and then he backs off if you give him a little bit of what he wants.

The only things he doubles down on is stuff that Obama was heavily involved in. Then he goes full retard and tries to kill it.

Which basically means the Iran deal is dead.

Stupid Orange fuck.
murder
Member
Mon May 07 17:15:10

"I hope NK will take note. Don’t sign agreements with the US."

Trump's new National Security Advisor John Bolton went on TV and stated that the administration was using the disarmament of Libya as a model for North Korea.

Gaddafi as you may have noticed, is now DEAD, and Libya is torn to shreds.

And that Trump's National Security Advisor.

If that doesn't tip off Kim Jong-fool, nothing will.

Rugian
Member
Mon May 07 17:19:20
"Trump's new National Security Advisor John Bolton went on TV and stated that the administration was using the disarmament of Libya as a model for North Korea."

Okay that's fucking retarded. It takes a special level of self-centeredness to fail to realize that Kim Jong Un might not want to get the Ghadaffi treatment just because it'd be good for American strategic interests.
murder
Member
Mon May 07 17:20:48

Don't be so sure that Bolton didn't do it on purpose. He'd like nothing more than war.

Rugian
Member
Mon May 07 17:56:59
Possibly. I'd say there's an equal chance he's just stuck in his neocon tunnel vision and is incapable of realizing that certain events showed that, yeah maybe Ghadaffi should have kept that WMD program after all.

John Bolton is at his best when he's at the U.N. ranting about how shit the U.N. is. He has no business being near actual policy formation.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon May 07 18:26:08

My question is, will they put John Kerry in prison where he belongs?



Rugian
Member
Mon May 07 18:32:53
Weren't you JUST praising Oliver North in another thread Hot Rod? You don't get to do that and and claim that Kerry should be in jail for negotiating (nonmilitary) concessions to Iran.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon May 07 18:51:52

North is going to head up a private (LEGAL) organization. Wasn't he punished for the Itan Contra deal?

Kerry is negotiating to try to keep the 'Iran Deal' alive which is against the law. How do we know it is non-military if he is meeting Iran's foreign minister behind closed doors? I don't think they are talking over old times, do you?












Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon May 07 18:54:05

Oops.

Aeros
Member
Mon May 07 19:39:31
Netenyahu has applied flattery to Trumps ego, and the Iranians have been overly proud and recalcitrant.

No question what Trump is going to do here.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Tue May 08 12:41:12
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dcns1dbXUAMaoMZ.jpg
Rugian
Member
Tue May 08 12:57:39
Bibi is about to have the greatest fap session of his life.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue May 08 13:10:21
it will show Israel has full control over our policy if he withdraws... there seems to be no other rationale
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue May 08 13:10:37

paramounted - I hope NK will take note. Don’t sign agreements with the US.


Yeah. Those demonrats will do anything to make themselves look good including contributing Billions of dollars to sponsor terrorism.

Next time get a Treaty signed off on by Congress. Those are better.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue May 08 13:16:51
jesus... he even got the script writer to put in the cash payment that WASNT PART OF THE DEAL in his lil speech
Allahuakbar
Member
Tue May 08 13:19:42
You Usanians will get your answer:

http://www...cision-irna-idUSKBN1I92LW?il=0

Iranian President Hassan Rouhani will appear on state TV to give Tehran’s reaction immediately after U.S. President Donald Trump issues his decision on whether Washington is to pull out of the 2015 Iran nuclear deal, state news agency IRNA reported.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue May 08 13:20:42
well idiot child did it
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue May 08 13:25:03
signing with a big black marker again like a lil child...
Rugian
Member
Tue May 08 13:26:53
...and it's gone.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue May 08 13:31:06
he unsurprisingly seems to have accepted all conclusions of the Jew King's powerpoint even though most people seemed to be unimpressed
Rugian
Member
Tue May 08 13:43:25
Well, Netanyahu is officially a genius.

"Okay we have an oppurtunity to have Trump torpedo the Iran deal, what's the best way to go about this? I know, someone buy a thousand CDs and put them on this shelf, and someone else print out a gigantic banner saying 'IRAN LIED' for me to stand next to. Make sure my entire speech is in English to make it even more blatantly obvious who it's for. After that, just a quick appearance on Fox and Friends. Yep, that should do it."

And it fucking worked
CrownRoyal
Member
Tue May 08 13:46:29
strong possibility that this will work out exactly like GW Bush withdrawing from Clinton's NK nuclear deal did.
Seb
Member
Tue May 08 13:49:34
History repeats itself.
Aeros
Member
Tue May 08 13:53:37
Israel is mobilizing its military and opening up air raid shelters in the north.

Oh boy, here we go again.
obaminated
Member
Tue May 08 13:53:56
Is it war, aeros?
CrownRoyal
Member
Tue May 08 13:55:27
more false statements in Trump's speech than in Colin Powell's UN Iraq presentation.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue May 08 13:55:46
time for Israel to name more buildings and streets after Trump & to praise his astonishingly excellent brain power
Forwyn
Member
Tue May 08 13:58:05
http://twi...Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Khalid bin Salman خالد بن سلمان

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia fully supports the measures taken by @POTUS with regards to the JCPOA. we always had reservations with regards to sunset clauses, ballistic missiles program, and Iran’s support for terrorism in the region.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Tue May 08 14:28:12
unfurl the false flags
Dukhat
Member
Tue May 08 14:31:02
He did it.

Revenge on Obama - 1 billion zillion.
Doing stuff to actually help the American people - 0.

Trump is an incompetent imbecile.
murder
Member
Tue May 08 14:44:41

People need to chill. Not much is going to happen. Like I said, we'll pull out, while everyone else pressures Iran to observe what is left of the deal anyway.

Not sure why Iran would agree to let themselves get screwed, but lets see what the Euros come up with.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue May 08 14:58:53
Trump has sided w/ the globally hostile Sunni 9/11ers over the more locally hostile Shias
Aeros
Member
Tue May 08 15:01:31
"Is it war, aeros?"

I give it a good 30% chance
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue May 08 15:16:52
maybe Trump will call the Iran leader ugly & stupid and that will make him agree to everything Trump wants


CNN just showed a clip of Trump from a campaign debate claiming he had studied the deal more than anyone else...
Seb
Member
Tue May 08 15:17:38
Murder:

Not sure Europe can do that. Unless US sanctions exempt eu based businesses we can't blunt sanctions, so what does Europe have to offer?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue May 08 15:24:51

Take a close look at Schumer.

He looks like he died when PRESIDENT Trump made his announcement and is rapidly turning to dust.

murder
Member
Tue May 08 15:29:51

"Not sure Europe can do that. Unless US sanctions exempt eu based businesses we can't blunt sanctions, so what does Europe have to offer?"

The EU could retaliate against US businesses if it wanted to, and might even be able to get support from others to get the US to back the hell off. It's not like the EU is some tiny nation that can be pressured if isn't inclined to take it.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue May 08 15:33:32

I think EU will come into line and support us.

jergul
large member
Tue May 08 15:38:13
Murder is correct


The EU can and should countersanction US entities in retaliation for US sanction overreach targeting EU entities.
Aeros
Member
Tue May 08 15:38:40
The EU is not a nation.
murder
Member
Tue May 08 15:43:51

That's not really relevant.
Average Ameriacn
Member
Tue May 08 15:53:23
Either they pay back our money or we are at war.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue May 08 15:55:31


Murder/jergul, am I to understand that you guys want to start a sanction war?

Is that anything like a trade war?

Asgard
Member
Tue May 08 15:57:07
So much cum from all the Likudniks
my country is doomed
throw the jew down the well, so my country can be free
murder
Member
Tue May 08 15:57:50

That's basically what it would amount to. But it would be the US starting it.

murder
Member
Tue May 08 16:06:49
^ @ Hot Rod
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue May 08 16:17:24

Depends on your POV.

Seb
Member
Tue May 08 16:30:57
murder/jergul:

I think that's unlikely to work.

Trump isn't going to back down on a sanction war, and while EU companies will howl about sanction blocking business on Iran, it won't save them from the pain of US sanctions so the cost benefit for those companies remains overwhelmingly to comply with US sanctions if it is a choice to do business with the US or Iran. EU counter sanctions on US companies won't help change those companies minds really.

Only if there is a way to directly protect EU companies - particularly finance (needed for any trade) - from US sanctions. That's nigh on impossible I think.

We shall see.

The second thing is that Germany's pushing of ordoliberal models means the EU is dependent on external trade, particularly exports. This makes us far more dispensable to the US than the US is to the EU.
murder
Member
Tue May 08 16:34:57

"Trump isn't going to back down on a sanction war"

I think you overestimate Donald Trump. Donald Trump will back down to Stormy Daniels. He'll respond to pressure.

Seb
Member
Tue May 08 16:39:22
We shall see...
murder
Member
Tue May 08 16:42:26

We won't see because the "E3" are in league with Trump.

Haven't you been paying attention? They've been talking about amending the deal for a while now.

murder
Member
Tue May 08 16:45:00

This is all kabuki theater. It's why they insist that Iran comply with a treaty that has already been violated.

Forwyn
Member
Tue May 08 17:37:59
"I think EU will come into line and support us."

What reason do they have for this?

The world's nuclear watchdog has effectively rejected Israel's claims Iran lied about its nuclear activities, by referencing a report showing there were, "no credible indications of activities in Iran relevant to the development of a nuclear explosive device after 2009".

http://www...ar-program/9719390?pfmredir=sm
Seb
Member
Tue May 08 17:58:45
murder:

Amendment means "can we placate trump with some meaningless concessions to save American face in the same way we have made meaningless concessions to Iran to save their face, e.g. letting them keep a few hundred old, crap centrifuges online so they can pretend they have a civil nuclear programme".

Of course the E3 is going to try and persuade Iran to stick with the treaty, but the reality is there is nothing they can offer: unilateral US sanctions will bite almost as hard as any additional EU ones due to the interconnections of global finance. The EU has no carrots or sticks they can meaningfully offer if the US is unilaterally imposing sanctions.

Dukhat
Member
Tue May 08 21:53:01
So we did exactly what Netanyahu wanted. Forwyn rejoices.
Dukhat
Member
Tue May 08 21:53:15
Libertarianism except not really. Goooooo ISRAEL hawks!
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue May 08 22:47:48

murder - I love Kabuki Theater.


I saw one in San Francisco once where it took an actress about 20 minutes to walk halfway across the stage.

Awesome.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue May 08 22:54:00

dukbrain, PRESIDENT Trump declared he would toss the agreement even before the election.

Another promise kept.

Forwyn
Member
Tue May 08 23:11:06
Dukhat
Member Tue May 08 21:53:01
So we did exactly what Netanyahu wanted. Forwyn rejoices.
Dukhat
Member Tue May 08 21:53:15
Libertarianism except not really. Goooooo ISRAEL hawks!

Uh...

You realize you're responding to a post that contradicts Israeli claims, right?

And that you're speaking to a poster that has been highly critical of the US-Israel-Saudi axis, and has frequently said that the Iran deal was Obama's greatest achievement?
Asgard
Member
Wed May 09 00:24:49
Trump and Bobbi are in dire need of manufacturing enemies to stay in power as long as possible. There never has been a more obvious Wag-the-Dog scenario
Rugian
Member
Wed May 09 08:17:51
White House Sources: John Kerry’s Stealth Lobbying Backfired, Helped Kill The Iran Deal

News of former Secretary of State John Kerry’s alleged collusion with the Iranian government played a role in President Donald Trump’s decision to scuttle the Iran deal, two White House sources with direct knowledge of the president’s thinking tell The Daily Caller.

Trump announced he was pulling out of the deal Tuesday, just a few days after news broke that Kerry had been parlaying with Iran in an attempt to keep the deal alive.

A source inside the White House with knowledge of the decision process tells TheDC that the Iran deal was “done” when Trump found out about Kerry’s lobbying behind the scenes. “Trump was headed that way but Kerry just took away any of the teeth of the detractors,” the source said on background. “[Kerry’s] bulls**t ultimately killed the deal.”

Another source inside the West Wing confirms to TheDC that there was a frantic last-minute lobbying effort to keep the deal in place and that the timing of the Kerry news was “ironic.” The source specifically blames Kerry’s meddling in the process as a key decision point in the calculus for pulling out of the deal.

“It was by no means the reason [Trump] decided to pull out, but it certainly influenced the final decision,” the source continued. “I mean, read the tweets.”

President Trump attacked Kerry’s actions on Twitter Monday, saying, “The United States does not need John Kerry’s possibly illegal Shadow Diplomacy on the very badly negotiated Iran Deal. He was the one that created this MESS in the first place!”

Trump followed up, saying, “John Kerry can’t get over the fact that he had his chance and blew it! Stay away from negotiations John, you are hurting your country!”

Both sources confirm that Kerry’s actions hurt the lobbying effort by some in the West Wing to keep the deal in place.

http://dai...ry-stealth-lobbying-iran-deal/
show deleted posts

Your Name:
Your Password:
Your Message:
Bookmark and Share