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Utopia Talk / Politics / New York AG Schneiderman resigns
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon May 07 21:54:30
"It's been my great honor and privilege to serve as Attorney General for the people of the State of New York. In the last several hours, serious allegations, which I strongly contest, have been made against me. While these allegations are unrelated to my professional conduct or the operations of the office, they will effectively prevent me from leading the office's work at this critical time. I therefore resign my office, effective at the close of business on May 8, 2018."

http://www...hysical-abuse-allegations.html

...resigning hours after allegations come out means you're guilty
Rugian
Member
Mon May 07 21:57:39
TIME TRAVELER

http://twi...status/377751074628988929?s=21
obaminated
Member
Mon May 07 22:06:24
this is fantastic.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon May 07 22:12:45

Another one.

When are you people going to wise up? Every single fucking time a Republican becomes a threat to an office the Dems need they trot out a bunch of floozies to bring charges.

You guys cannot really be that naive, can you?


They must have a special school at a secret resort somewhere where the train those broads. Even the most cynical of you guys have got to see the pattern by now.


Or are you people really and truly that stupid?

Aeros
Member
Mon May 07 22:13:23
We are operating at levels of reality hitherto unseen before. Praise kek.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon May 07 22:13:32

My last was only for tw.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon May 07 22:16:29

tw, no. That does not mean they are guilty.


It means if they try to fight the allegations there will be a dozen more charges by the end of the week.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue May 08 01:11:18
Schneiderman is a Democrat & not a Trump supporter... i think you'll find you suddenly believe he's guilty as well
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue May 08 01:46:53

No. Not necessarily guilty.

He could be a victim of metooism.


The reason I get on my high horse when it is a Republican is that I have that happen too many times.

I remember the first time I saw it happen was decades ago when I was living in Hawaii a Republican businessman was running for governor and he was smeared in the same way.

smart dude
Member
Tue May 08 02:33:48
Yay anecdotal evidence.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue May 08 02:46:44

That was the first time, historical evidence.

I have seen the tactic used several dozen times since then.

Sam Adams
Member
Tue May 08 07:12:24
Ahahahaha the hypocrit democrats are raping eachother again! Lol meetoooo!!!

I love how trump predicted this.
murder
Member
Tue May 08 08:11:09

Predicted what?
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Tue May 08 08:46:27
New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman Resigns Due to Sexual Assault Allegations, After Getting Away With Selling Out Homeowners

Posted on May 7, 2018 by Yves Smith

http://www...g-away-selling-homeowners.html
John Adams
Member
Tue May 08 09:16:02
"He could be a victim of metooism."

No. Just no.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue May 08 09:20:24

And your inside information comes from where?

John Adams
Member
Tue May 08 09:24:42
Based on the reports and accounts of the women involved. And if there are medical records of them seeking treatment due to it. This is much more than "metooism." Especially if he is not running for any office.

obaminated
Member
Tue May 08 09:25:00
Women are coming out saying he abused them, so yes, just yes he can be a victim of the metoo movement.
obaminated
Member
Tue May 08 09:26:18
He literally resigned immediately. Metoo isnt about being found guilty in court. Its public opinion and powerful men being accused of abusing women automatically lose, hence him resigning immediately.
Rugian
Member
Tue May 08 09:27:29
"And your inside information comes from where?"

Well a jury of his peers found beyond a reasonable doubt that-...oh wait, no.
obaminated
Member
Tue May 08 09:32:54
It's a dangerous time to be a man (in the western world) you have to be very careful how you interact with the women, even the ones who have deep relationships with.

John Adams
Member
Tue May 08 09:35:33
It is a situation where that you are in a position representing the public and you are held to a higher standard. And your indiscretions can lead to your downfall. You should and need to be held accountable.

Now with the pending investigation this will also see if he did in fact use his position to support his behaviors or intimidation. Or used taxpayer money in regards to is indiscretions.

I.e. Megan Barry
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue May 08 10:38:36
"I have seen the tactic used"

what percent of the time has it been proven fraudulent?

whereas we know power corrupts, it's a saying... instantly assuming accusers are frauds seems like the wrong thing to do
Rugian
Member
Tue May 08 10:50:35
Well, either a bunch of lying whores are being used to try and bring down people of power, or there are a shitload of politicians and celebrities who think it's okay to sexually assault women.


Really both options sound equally likely.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue May 08 11:01:05
i think it would lean toward the men being at fault... being a sleazebag is already a helpful trait to succeed in politics
Dukhat
Member
Tue May 08 11:37:05
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37879151

Rolling Stone and journalist found guilty over false Virginia rape story

The $7.5m (£6m) lawsuit was brought by Nicole Eramo, an associate dean from the university, who said the article had cast her as the "chief villain".

The 2014 article, written by Sabrina Rubin Erdely, included the rape claim of an unidentified female student.

The magazine retracted the article in April 2015, citing inconsistencies.

The 9,000-word article, entitled A Rape on Campus, centred on the testimony of a student, referred to as "Jackie", who claimed to have been gang raped at a party held at the Phi Kappa Psi fraternity's house in 2012.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

On April 11, 2007, North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper dropped all charges and declared the three lacrosse players innocent of the rape allegations. Cooper stated that the players – Reade Seligmann, Collin Finnerty, and David Evans – were victims of a "tragic rush to accuse."[9]

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Also ... Aziz Ansari.

I'm not an alt-righter, but they're not completely retarded.

MeToo is different that multiple women are involved but most times they've heard each other's story ... And a lot of this shit is not allegations of abuse but weird sex stuff or awkward come ons. Some of it is certainly serious like Weinstein and this DA, but at this point probably over half is just weird sex stuff or awkward come-ons.

It's the new revenge porn for some people.
murder
Member
Tue May 08 12:06:46

"It's a dangerous time to be a man (in the western world) you have to be very careful how you interact with the women, even the ones who have deep relationships with."

Yeah, it's getting to where you can't smack women around without getting into minor trouble.

murder
Member
Tue May 08 12:11:39

"Really both options sound equally likely."

One requires a conspiracy or a string of conspiracies, and the other only requires micro-penises.

So no, not equally likely.



murder
Member
Tue May 08 12:14:23

"It's the new revenge porn for some people."

Don't think of it as revenge porn, think of it as a weird or awkward "beat it loser!"


obaminated
Member
Tue May 08 12:14:37
If you think you are on equal footing, in the public eye, when a woman comes out and says you raped her, then you are in denial.
murder
Member
Tue May 08 12:21:46

Women don't come out and accuse me of rape ... because I don't rape women.

#MeToo doesn't scare me at all.

Rugian
Member
Tue May 08 12:28:58
murder raped a woman I know.



Prove me wrong.
murder
Member
Tue May 08 12:35:34

^ the woman I raped

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue May 08 12:42:08
has there been a time when a group of unrelated women have been proven all liars? (& no, Trump's accusers were not discredited as he claims)

doesn't mean it has to have been disproven to have happened, just wondering
Dukhat
Member
Tue May 08 13:02:12
Murder sounds like he probably only had a few girlfriends and then married someone early in life.

When you have had multiple social partners, alcohol is basically the lubricant of social and sexual interaction and there are a LOT of grey areas. I'm not condoning rape but there are a lot of situations where it's basically he-said, she-said.

The #metoo movement was interesting at first at revealing really horrible crimes but like most social media movements has become a witch-hunt and mob.

@tumbleweed - Some of the celebrities accused by metoo movement basically have had awkward sexual encounters. Like Aziz Ansari.

And I would say the allegations against Al Franken were a fucking joke. He squeezed a waist or maybe cupped a butt in thousands of pictures. What a fucking retarded witch hunt that was.

And it's really a new moral paradigm being forced down people's throats as well. There's always been a quid pro quo that you don't talk about personal stuff like sex which the metoo movement violates in order to impose a view of sex that's even more harsh than the Puritans would've imposed in many ways.

Social media movements are fucking retarded.
murder
Member
Tue May 08 13:28:25

"When you have had multiple social partners, alcohol is basically the lubricant of social and sexual interaction and there are a LOT of grey areas. I'm not condoning rape but there are a lot of situations where it's basically he-said, she-said."

Sooooo ... how many times has "she" said?

murder
Member
Tue May 08 13:32:12

"And it's really a new moral paradigm being forced down people's throats as well. There's always been a quid pro quo that you don't talk about personal stuff like sex which the metoo movement violates in order to impose a view of sex that's even more harsh than the Puritans would've imposed in many ways."

As opposed to the stuff that women have had forced down their throats ... like your penis?

Assault is not "sex". Rape is not "sex". Sexual harassment is not "sex".

If you're having problems with this brave new world, kill yourself.

obaminated
Member
Tue May 08 13:41:06
"Women don't come out and accuse me of rape ... because I don't rape women."

Yeah, because women with a grudge only accuse men of raping them if they actually got raped.

My ex accused me of physical abuse because we got into a fight and she stormed out to her truck and I put my hands on her shoulders and pleaded for her to come back and let us talk it over. She agreed and we had a good night.

But she never let it go that I abused her.


Dukhat
Member
Tue May 08 14:51:32
We already have proof that some women will go high profile to ruin a persons life. The lacrosse case almost ruined those kids life. That stupid Rolling Stones reporter basically almost ruined the lives of those kids too.

I'd say a lot of us have been in a position that say Aziz Ansari was in. The girl is kind of reluctant so you kind of guide things in another direction.

It's complete and total bullshit when the girl doesn't say no and seems ok with it and then later accuses you of something ... which is literally what all the most recent #metoo bullshit seems to be about.
hood
Member
Tue May 08 15:00:21
Girls will definitely bend the truth when it suits them. Murder is either not experienced with a multitude of women (I say that in an objective way), or willfully ignorant.

It doesn't have to be to the point of false rape accusations. Pretty much any minor impropriety is now a social black mark.
murder
Member
Tue May 08 15:18:42

"I'd say a lot of us have been in a position that say Aziz Ansari was in. The girl is kind of reluctant so you kind of guide things in another direction."

An alternative approach: If the woman you're with is reluctant ... STOP!

Find a different woman who doesn't need to be pressured or coerced into having sex with you.

I know it's radical, but give it a try. You may be surprised to find that you no longer need to live in fear of the #MeToo movement.

murder
Member
Tue May 08 15:20:06

"Girls will definitely bend the truth when it suits them."

Or boys do.

murder
Member
Tue May 08 15:23:33

Also, for the record, since alcohol was mentioned earlier, being drunk is the opposite of a "get out of rape charge" card.

Being drunk (or her being drunk) does create a gray area or any blurred lines.
murder
Member
Tue May 08 15:24:06
doesn't* create
hood
Member
Tue May 08 15:29:01
Situation:

-Girl goes out, gets a few drinks. Texts guy a picture of a margarita.
-Girl meets up with guy a few hours later. Is a bit sleepy, but initiates physicality. She gives him a handy, but it stops there when she decides she wants to go to sleep. Guy leaves her place for the night.
-Next day, girl accuses guy of taking advantage because she had consumed alcohol some time before the encounter.


What say you, murder? Did the guy take advantage?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue May 08 15:31:26

I'm not murder, but I didn't do it when I had the chance.

murder
Member
Tue May 08 15:33:56

"What say you, murder?"

I say making up dumb scenarios is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

murder
Member
Tue May 08 15:36:27

btw this is clearly what women do in their free time. They devise ways of trapping men into rape charges for no reason other than women being evil.

hood
Member
Tue May 08 15:36:46
Not a dumb scenario. Happened to someone. Girl didn't make a big deal about it too other people, but scolded the guy.
murder
Member
Tue May 08 15:40:49

Tell him to sue her for laying a trap for him and then ruining his good name.

hood
Member
Tue May 08 15:42:44
So you're nothing but a troll in this thread?

Cool, we can ignore anything you've posted on topic.
obaminated
Member
Tue May 08 15:56:20
Yeah, murder is either a troll or has very little experience with women. Im thinking troll.
murder
Member
Tue May 08 16:02:12

"Cool, we can ignore anything you've posted on topic."

You're free to ignore my posts every day. Nonetheless, you're full of shit. If the guy was wronged, he can sue. It's the American way. If the guy was a creep and has so far gotten away with it, he may want to lay low, appreciate his good fortune, and quit being a creep.

Life is difficult, but this ain't.

Don't be a creep.

delude
Member
Tue May 08 16:03:09
Seb thread revisited?
murder
Member
Tue May 08 16:05:22

"Yeah, murder is either a troll or has very little experience with women. Im thinking troll."

Alternate theories: I raised right. I was raised to respect women. There are women that I love that I want to protect from creeps. I was taught not to make lame ass excuses to justify bad behavior.

obaminated
Member
Tue May 08 16:27:34
Yes murder, it is clear you havent had a lot of experience with women.
murder
Member
Tue May 08 16:40:14

Experience with women = rapist

But only because they will accuse you after the fact after engaging in consensual sex, because women are just like that.

Happens all the time. At least to you. For no reason.
hood
Member
Tue May 08 16:44:21
"Nonetheless, you're full of shit."

Do elaborate.


"If the guy was wronged, he can sue. It's the American way."

This is not an example of a girl falsely getting a boy into legal trouble. She didn't go about town or through friends circles or on twitter to shame him. She just confronted him and he told me about it (and then I asked her, since the two of them had an understandably difficult time communicating afterwards).


"If the guy was a creep and has so far gotten away with it"

She initiated their interactions the entire night. He did not invite himself over, that is a matter of record. He claims, and she did not even attempt to deny, that she initiated the sexual interactions. She also claims that he took advantage of her because she was drunk (as in, had alcohol a few hours before the encounter).

Please indicate how being propositioned is acting like a creep.


"I raised right. I was raised to respect women."

Sure. Plenty of people were. The only person here who has posted anything remotely disrespectful of women in the context of sexual relations would be obaminated and his acceptance of women blowing their way to promotions. But even that is pretty immaterial to this type of context.


"I was taught not to make lame ass excuses to justify bad behavior."

Feel free to point out any bad behavior from my example.
hood
Member
Tue May 08 16:46:35
"Experience with women = rapist

But only because they will accuse you after the fact after engaging in consensual sex, because women are just like that."

It's one liners like this that make it abundantly clear that you are extremely ignorant and will only ever put forward a dishonest argument. You are a saint, anyone who is not fully on your side must be a rapist. It is why your arguments are completely invalid.
murder
Member
Tue May 08 16:48:58

"This is not an example of a girl falsely getting a boy into legal trouble. She didn't go about town or through friends circles or on twitter to shame him. She just confronted him and he told me about it (and then I asked her, since the two of them had an understandably difficult time communicating afterwards)."

Well then I guess he can tell her to fuck off and warn other guys about her.



murder
Member
Tue May 08 16:57:17

"Please indicate how being propositioned is acting like a creep."

You must realize that just because you assert something, that doesn't mean that I'm beholden to the story, right?

You keep acting like I somehow have to justify this scenario that you say happened to some guy that you know.

1. I don't have to justify it, true or not.
2. I don't have to believe it in its entirety or in part.
3. Even if true your version of events are primarily a filtered 2nd hand account of your friend's/acquaintanc's/relative's story.

Most importantly, and this can't be highlighted enough, your scenario is the exact opposite of what we're discussing. Here's a woman that despite feeling wronged, DIDN'T report the encounter, didn't try to destroy the guy, didn't yell #MeToo.

murder
Member
Tue May 08 17:03:09

"You are a saint, anyone who is not fully on your side must be a rapist."

Anyone who claims that #MeToo is somehow a threat to human relations is a creep who is incapable of engaging in relations with women without creeping.

That is all there is to that.

This very similar to the aggrieved white men who claim that feminism is a threat to men and good social order.

The reason a man would claim that #MeToo is some kind of threat to men, is because he himself feels threatened. And he should be, because he's the type of guy that is the problem that the movement is trying to resolve.

The rest of us are fine.

And saints.

Or virgins.

murder
Member
Tue May 08 17:11:46

This discussion blows my mind, and makes me wonder what kind of fucked up women are in your lives that led you to this absurd mindset.

To anyone wants to field the question: How many women in your life wife/girlfriend/exs/mothers/sisters/cousins/friends ... have ever accused a man of rape?

I'm curious as hell, because in my experience women cover up men's misdeeds rather than broadcasting them.

hood
Member
Tue May 08 17:43:34
"You keep acting like I somehow have to justify this scenario that you say happened to some guy that you know."

No, I'm acting like I want your opinion on the situation I described. You keep pussyfooting around actually answering. Your every comment conveys your pretty obvious belief that women are absolutely incapable of being on the wrong end of a rape (et. al.) discussion.


"Most importantly, and this can't be highlighted enough, your scenario is the exact opposite of what we're discussing. Here's a woman that despite feeling wronged, DIDN'T report the encounter, didn't try to destroy the guy, didn't yell #MeToo."

I mean, it was literally the next step. You can't comprehend why a guy might be hesitant if what seems like an on-the-level encounter reaches the very brink of being publicly shamed for it? Ask Aziz Ansari how he fucking feels. You seem to have avoided literally every mention of it.


"The reason a man would claim that #MeToo is some kind of threat to men, is because he himself feels threatened. And he should be, because he's the type of guy that is the problem that the movement is trying to resolve."

And yet clearly not. There is, without a doubt, collateral damage. Nobody is suggesting it's some vast conspiracy or widespread. But considering the fallout? Yeah, it can be threatening.


"I'm curious as hell, because in my experience women cover up men's misdeeds rather than broadcasting them."

You're also from a time period before women had the right to vote. Things change, caveman.
murder
Member
Mon May 14 11:43:52

"I mean, it was literally the next step. You can't comprehend why a guy might be hesitant if what seems like an on-the-level encounter reaches the very brink of being publicly shamed for it? Ask Aziz Ansari how he fucking feels. You seem to have avoided literally every mention of it."

Why would I ask Aziz Ansari? He's a fucking creep.


"You're also from a time period before women had the right to vote. Things change, caveman."

I'm not nearly that old.

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