Utopia Talk / Politics / JERUSALEM EMBASSY!!

obaminated Member	Mon May 14 10:30:33 Notice how quiet the arab world is over this. Well, expect the idiots in Palestine who refuse to accept theyve been defeated for decades.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon May 14 10:35:34 Would you Quintus? Would I?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon May 14 10:55:14 yay... a bargaining chip taken off the table for no gain whatsoever! Israel first!
obaminated Member	Mon May 14 10:56:38 "Bargaining chip" Sure tw, sure.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon May 14 11:02:27 what did we get out of it? and even Trump called it a bargaining chip... recall how he was so proud he 'took it off the table'... what's on the table? bargaining chips
Sam Adams Member	Mon May 14 11:03:09 Lol. Palestine is attacking the fortified israeli army with slingers. Like "im going to sling a rock at those roman legionares over there" slingers. Lol. Good luck with that!
Paramount Member	Mon May 14 11:05:43 It is pretty sick to see how the US admin and politics has been completely infiltrated by Zionists Jews and then you see that Jew Kuschner speaking in Jerusalem saying that the USA stands with Israel. lol. He should have said that the Zionists of America stands with the Apartheid State.
Rugian Member	Mon May 14 11:09:40 Nimatzo iChihuaha Mon May 14 10:35:34 Would you Quintus? Would I? Great reference.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon May 14 11:11:22 imagine how evil & oppressive the Israeli overlords must be for them to be so desperate 52 deaths, 1200 injured reported so far... their blood all on Trump's hands & tiny fingers
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon May 14 11:39:54 PRESIDENT Trump in no way forced those people to charge the fence after they were told not too.
Paramount Member	Mon May 14 11:49:00 They have the right to walk and go whereever they want in Palestine. Certainly, after the Nazis put the jews in ghettos no one has the right to put people in ghettos behind barbed wire, and then murder kids even if they try to leave the illegal prison. That is a crime.
Sam Adams Member	Mon May 14 11:49:53 " 52 deaths, 1200 injured reported so far... their blood all on Trump's hands & tiny fingers" Maybe hamas should not be trying to attack and kill jews?
Sam Adams Member	Mon May 14 11:53:05 "They have the right to walk and go whereever they want in Palestine" Like into jewish schools with knives to cut the throats of all the little jews? Lol. Theres a mechanized division of the idf that disagrees.
Paramount Member	Mon May 14 11:57:43 Why have they built schools on occupied land, on the battlefield? To use their own children as human shields? It is illegal to transfer your civilian population into land that you are occupying military.
Rugian Member	Mon May 14 11:59:33 Paramount, How many Israeli settlements are in the Gaza Strip again?
murder Member	Mon May 14 11:59:36 "Maybe hamas should not be trying to attack and kill jews?" Yeah they should. They just need better weapons and a better set of targets. They should be targeting jews and jewish businesses outside Israel.
Paramount Member	Mon May 14 12:02:20 Since Israel is using its own population to occupy land that doesn’t belong to them - these jews are a part of the occupying force, and thus they are illegal combatants and can be killed. Don’t send your children to occupy. But I guess Israel doesn’t care about the lives of their children.
Rugian Member	Mon May 14 12:04:09 murder, They already tried that. The result was Operation Wrath of God. There's a reason why Israel doesn't fuck around with its security.
Seb Member	Mon May 14 12:06:33 Sam: You probably need to think more about the imagery and roots of greater Israel mythology. Biblical, old testament and slings. It's symbolic, not intended to inflict a military defeat.
Paramount Member	Mon May 14 12:08:36 Rugian, Well on the West Bank and its surroundings. That’s where attacks has occured. Hamas doesn’t sneak into jewish schools because there are no jewish schools in Gaza.
Sam Adams Member	Mon May 14 12:09:38 If only david had a merkava tank instead of a partially fitting bronze helmet.
murder Member	Mon May 14 12:09:56 "They already tried that. The result was Operation Wrath of God." Doesn't matter what operation Israel conducts ... there's only ~ 18 million jews in the entire world. Eventually there won't be anyone left to conduct operations.
Sam Adams Member	Mon May 14 12:12:17 "Hamas doesn’t sneak into jewish schools because the IDF keeps them out of jewish schools, with force if necessary" Fixed it for you.
Sam Adams Member	Mon May 14 12:13:07 "Eventually there won't be anyone left to conduct operations. " Exactly why the idf doesnt take shit from anyone.
obaminated Member	Mon May 14 12:19:05 http://youtu.be/i_ljyJfkATg
Paramount Member	Mon May 14 12:20:42 What Israel is doing on Gaza reminds me of these scene in Schindler’s List. Nazis sniping civilians in the prison camp: http://youtube.com/watch?v=FcyLRTB9fRY
obaminated Member	Mon May 14 12:23:45 The irony of mountme using that video.....
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon May 14 14:39:08 The barbed wire is to keep them out, not keep them in. There is an entire open sea on the opposite border. They have a right to walk where they please? Perhaps, but they do not have the right to walk up to Isreal's border and throw a molotov cocktail at the Israeli's.
Rugian Member	Mon May 14 14:45:29 Hot Rod, In fairness, that "open sea" is subject to an Israeli naval blockade.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon May 14 14:51:20 Well then, that's to keep them in I guess. If they would get rid of Hamas and the other terrorists that will be the first day of peace.
hood Member	Mon May 14 14:55:48 "Doesn't matter what operation Israel conducts ... there's only ~ 18 million jews in the entire world. Eventually there won't be anyone left to conduct operations." Hitler would be proud, young Padawan. Hot rod is certainly proud, but a little disappointed that your scope of genocide is only at the tens of millions range.
Paramount Member	Mon May 14 15:12:15 ”Perhaps, but they do not have the right to walk up to Isreal's border ” Israel doesn’t have any borders. They refuse to tell where their borders are. That fence is also not a border. It is just a fence that the Zionazis has built around a city.
Rugian Member	Mon May 14 15:12:22 Seriously, such silly "just kill them all" schemes greatly underestimate the guile and craftiness of the international Jew. A good 40% of them are protected by American citizenship, and they moreover effectively control the world's single global superpower and the bulk of the planet's economy. Against that they are all but invincible, like a cockroach capable of surviving a nuclear explosion. They know they're a minority, which is why they have taken up the residences and occupations that they have.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon May 14 15:40:39 hood - Hot rod is certainly proud, but a little disappointed that your scope of genocide is only at the tens of millions range. If you had a single button, just one? And all you had to do was push that single button, just once. And by pushing that single button every single terrorist in the world would fall to the ground writhing in excruciating pain that would last 30 minutes and then they would die. You would get them all even the ones that hated enough to where there was no doubt they would end up devoting their life to terrorism. In other words, it would end terrorism forever. Would you push the button?
hood Member	Mon May 14 15:48:06 "Seriously, such silly "just kill them all" schemes greatly underestimate the guile and craftiness of the international Jew." You know you love us, even if it is a hatefuck kind of relationship.
murder Member	Mon May 14 15:53:07 "Hot rod is certainly proud, but a little disappointed that your scope of genocide is only at the tens of millions range." It's really not. We just happen to be discussing the jewish problem.
murder Member	Mon May 14 15:54:45 "A good 40% of them are protected by American citizenship ..." Americans are killed every day. In fact thanks to the NRA, they'd be much easier to kill here.
murder Member	Mon May 14 15:57:25 "In other words, it would end terrorism forever." Hardly forever. Some terrorists haven't been born yet.
Asgard Member	Mon May 14 16:04:26 The problem is that there is only one people in the whole wide world who have this eternal thing against occupation. Some examples of the opposite: 1) Do Germans go suicide bombing against Russia because of Koeningsberg? 2) Do Dutch go suicide bombing against the British/Americans over New Amssterdam? 3) Do the Spanish go suicide bombing against the British over Gibraltar? 4) Do the British go suicide bombing against the US for N.America? 5) Do the Mexicans go suicide bombing against the US over Texas? 6) Do the Hungarians go suicide bombing against the Romanians over Transylvania? Do the Germans go suicide bombing against Poland over Prussia? I think you get the point. Only the Palestinians go suicide bombing for 100 years over thing shit
Paramount Member	Mon May 14 16:09:10 ”And by pushing that single button every single terrorist in the world would fall to the ground Would you push the button?” You mean it would kill all your and Trump’s friends in Israel and Saudi Barbaria? Why would you even suggest a button a like that?
obaminated Member	Mon May 14 16:14:08 I love how the media is building the narrative of how this embassy movement is the cause for the "battle" ... because peace between israel and palestine has existed for decades...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon May 14 16:17:29 is Fox News telling you the move has nothing to do with the protests? ...cause it factually is a reason
murder Member	Mon May 14 16:19:45 "Only the Palestinians go suicide bombing for 100 years over thing shit" Would jews go murder bombing to drive the British out of Palestine? Yep.
Asgard Member	Mon May 14 16:22:58 erm considering the same British basically said they agree the country should be handed over to the Jews just a few years prior but then changed their minds...
Paramount Member	Mon May 14 16:26:02 Germans does not need to go suicide bombing. They have tanks and fighter jets they can use.
Sam Adams Member	Mon May 14 16:31:39 58 kia and 2700 wounded on the palestinian side. 0 kia a few wounded for the IDF. Lol what a beating. The IDF rocks.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon May 14 16:36:02 israel should kill off one of their own just to add some justification to their brutality
Rugian Member	Mon May 14 16:37:19 It was probably like that scene in The Pacific where the Americans just wiped out the Japanese banzai charge. lol
Sam Adams Member	Mon May 14 16:50:31 "justification to their brutality" They were completely justified. Dont try to force the borderwall, and israel wont light you up.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon May 14 17:04:03 here's some palestinian weaponry http://ima...e2016_ControlFaceDetect/424989 ...got the whole david vs goliath thing going on perhaps the israeli's could downgrade to holding trash can lids for defense
hood Member	Mon May 14 17:08:36 "We just happen to be discussing the jewish problem." "Problem"? Kinda calls into question those comments you made about being raised to be a decent person back in the wimminz threads.
jergul large member	Mon May 14 17:25:43 Asgard Germans might start suicide bombing if anyone started to re-establish Prussia. Kalingrad denotes the liberation of Germany from Prussia.
Rugian Member	Mon May 14 17:31:56 jergul, The day the Palestinians start wholeheartedly preaching Kollektivschuld, let us know.
kargen Member	Mon May 14 18:38:15 "is Fox News telling you the move has nothing to do with the protests? ...cause it factually is a reason" Nah it is simply the latest excuse. Protests and demonstrations have been happening daily for a while now. There isn't going to be peace between the two sides because both sides have a large enough population that considers Jerusalem to be a most holy place and they are unwilling to share the city. Anything else is bullshit posturing. They occasionally agree to talk and pretend to make concessions to each other but in the end it still comes down to Jerusalem and both sides claiming a religious right to the city.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon May 14 18:52:46 if the move had not happened, there would have been less violence today... it's just a fact
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon May 14 19:11:42 this move didn't help the US at all, in fact leading to humiliation in the UN where he had to veto an otherwise unanimous rebuke and then had only -9 toady meaningless nations back us (even after we threatened everyone) and has done nothing to advance the peace process, the only ones saying so are the dishonest corrupt Jew king and his dishonest corrupt idiot child puppet
obaminated Member	Mon May 14 19:45:34 It's pretty hilarious that you think there is still a peace process going on. This has been going on since the 50s. Well, well beyond that. but lets just go with the 50s. Moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem is changing the paradigm, only a crazy person thinks doing the same thing over and over again will come up with different results.
kargen Member	Mon May 14 20:13:45 Congress voted to have the embassy moved in 1995. President Trump finally decided to do it. Should have been done long ago. And exactly why does any other country give a fuck what city we decide to keep an embassy in anyway? Keeping the official embassy in Tel Aviv is just lip service anyway as the diplomats were all conducting their business in Jerusalem same as just about every other country does. Let's keep a building in Tel Aviv so the UN can feel good about supporting a decision the UK made in the 1940s hoping to control the region. Israel should get to pick their capitol just like any other nation gets to do. The prominent Israeli government offices and buildings are in Jerusalem so it is silly to locate the diplomats that meet with them in another city?
obaminated Member	Mon May 14 20:15:15 Kargen, don't use logic when arguing with emotion.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon May 14 20:37:59 how about you explain your all caps topic? How has this done anything for you or any American? you're the one going on emotion... weird love of all things Trump
obaminated Member	Mon May 14 20:46:40 Well, I guess because Trump is doing what he said he would do. What he needed to do by establishing dominance. And despite what CNN has spoon fed you, this move has made the embassy situation a bargaining chip. You see, he has forced the Palestinians to move their goal posts, moving the US embassy out of Jerusalem is now something the Palestinians will have to provide compromise over. This is how the strong find common ground with the weak, you don't treat them as equals because they won't learn their place in the big scheme of things. Now they are learning if they charge Israeli fences, the Israeli military will massacre them. And stoners in Berkley burning Israeli flags in solidarity with them isn't going to help them or stop Washington from forcing them into surrender. As to how finding peace between Palestine and Israel helps any American.... I guess you felt the same way when Obama/Bush/Clinton all attempted the same thing? Or is that just a red herring that you didn't really think through?
hood Member	Mon May 14 21:25:21 "Well, I guess because Trump is doing what he said he would do." You mean like protecting chinese jobs by promising to bail out a terror state supporting corporation?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon May 14 21:28:36 the embassy will never be moved out... there is no chip now... and Israel needed no gifts to move the process forward the international community has rebuked the move, this has only hurt us idiot child also pissed off our allies with his Iran deal move as well as damaging our credibility, our own intel agencies say Iran was complying with the deal, but idiot child goes with the bullshit Israeli PowerPoint (even their former Prime Minister said it was nothing new, I think) keeping promises doesn't make it right, they were promises based on his total ignorance (which he is maintaining even as president... he knows nothing about the deal he abandoned to this day) Trump is a disaster
obaminated Member	Mon May 14 21:33:07 "You mean like protecting chinese jobs by promising to bail out a terror state supporting corporation?" No, I am talking about him moving the US embassy to Jerusalem. "the embassy will never be moved out..." lol, you said the same thing months ago when Trump said the embassy was going to Jerusalem.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon May 14 22:08:03 You keep fighting with weird arguments... as noted earlier Trump himself already bragged about taking the issue OFF the table. He is 100% in the tank for Israel, he will not be yanking the rug out from under them ever.
obaminated Member	Mon May 14 22:22:06 Trump has also stated he will never state his true intentions publicly because it takes away your ace in the hole. This is why he called Kim, Rocket man and spent months belittling him, but is now speaking positively about him. He forces people to move their goal posts to more favorable positions for him, this is what he did in business, this is what he is doing now. He may be in the tank for Israel, but that doesn't mean Israel will be entirely opposed to moving the embassy back to Tel Aviv... where it has been for decades. It is all about weakening the palestinian hand.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon May 14 22:52:20 is anyone but you suggesting this crazy theory (that will never happen)?
obaminated Member	Tue May 15 00:43:59 im sorry that im not parroting talking heads?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue May 15 00:59:53 i'm not parroting anyone it's clear we got nothing for this, it's clear the world was against it (the UN vote happened) your bizarre theory of him giving a gift only to take it away is nonsensical... plus would go against his campaign promise & everything he has stated so far
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue May 15 01:08:43 and regarding Trump's total unfitness... just in the past couple weeks i heard him yet again (3rd time) publicly describing the visa lottery in the same 100% false terms he did months ago (purely invented in his mind based on the term 'visa lottery' alone) it is mind-boggling people find this acceptable... doing it once is unacceptable... but not having anyone ever correct him on his CONSTANT misinformation is complete insanity
Asgard Member	Tue May 15 02:26:14 60 dead out of tens of thousands charging the border, paid to do so by Hamas and Iran. We should let them in to the Kibbutzes that are just beyond the border? You'd love to see the lynches and mass rape that would ensue... don't you?
Asgard Member	Tue May 15 02:26:23 @Para
Asgard Member	Tue May 15 02:33:02 A baby was also killed by smoke inhalation. One has to ask, why a baby was brought to a border assault? Seriously ask yourself that question.
murder Member	Tue May 15 10:15:33 "erm considering the same British basically said they agree the country should be handed over to the Jews just a few years prior but then changed their minds..." Asgard: Well then I guess that justifies everything.
murder Member	Tue May 15 10:16:35 "58 kia and 2700 wounded on the palestinian side. 0 kia a few wounded for the IDF. Lol what a beating. The IDF rocks." Sam: No, they're just fighting guys with rocks.
murder Member	Tue May 15 10:19:57 ""Problem"? Kinda calls into question those comments you made about being raised to be a decent person back in the wimminz threads." No, it's possible to hate jews and be a good person. Some might say that it's required. Certainly you can't be an American patriot without hating Israelis and their American agents.
Sam Adams Member	Tue May 15 11:03:38 It rocks how they dont give a fuck about whining pc sjws.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue May 15 11:35:03 "No country would act with more restraint than Israel has" ~ Nikki Haley ...the woman who had to threaten all nations not to vote against us rather than just allowing them to speak their minds
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Tue May 15 12:13:48 New York Daily News slammed for mocking 'deplorable' Ivanka Trump as 'Daddy's Little Ghoul' http://www...mp-as-daddys-little-ghoul.html
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue May 15 12:53:55 there should be more focus on Jared probably being the devil
hood Member	Tue May 15 12:58:38 "No, it's possible to hate jews and be a good person. Some might say that it's required." Perhaps if you're a deranged fucknut with a completely misaligned moral compass. Which, admittedly, we already knew about you. "Certainly you can't be an American patriot without hating Israelis and their American agents." Sure I can. Apathy goes a long way. It also takes very little brain power to recognize that Israel != Israelis. Israelis are generally fine people. Any American should recognize the dangers of judging an entire country of people based on its government.
Paramount Member	Tue May 15 13:23:39 ”It also takes very little brain power to recognize that Israel != Israelis. ” The majority of the Israelis voted for this government and supports what they do. Even the opposition in Israel is quiet. Silence is complicity. But yes, maybe there are a few good people. That would mostly be the activists who are making their voices heard.
Asgard Member	Tue May 15 14:17:11 " Even the opposition in Israel is quiet. Silence is complicity. " LOL!! This is truly epic. A one of a kind facepalm. Paramount, just remember this quote of yours, next time you say the Nazis were just an extremist minority, or the next time you say extremist Muslim Jihadists are a loud minority that don't represent anyone.
Paramount Member	Tue May 15 14:34:49 I have never said that the nazis were an extremist minority. The difference between the Islamic State jihadists and the Jewish State government is that the muslims never voted for the murderous jihadists, while the Jews actually voted for their murderous government.
Sam Adams Member	Tue May 15 14:36:20 Lol mountme got bent over and abused by the idf. Gaza-ed even. Lulz.
obaminated Member	Tue May 15 14:47:14 I think we can all conclude that murder is an edgelord with very little intellect and whom relies on outlandish statements for attention.
murder Member	Tue May 15 14:51:41 "Sure I can. Apathy goes a long way. It also takes very little brain power to recognize that Israel != Israelis. Israelis are generally fine people. Any American should recognize the dangers of judging an entire country of people based on its government." The only danger in judging an entire country of people based on it's elected government is in discovering the ugly truth about those people.
murder Member	Tue May 15 14:55:40 "I think we can all conclude that murder is an edgelord ..." I think we can all conclude that murder is too old to know wtf an edgelord is or to give a fuck.
hood Member	Tue May 15 15:00:18 "I think we can all conclude that murder is an edgelord with very little intellect and whom relies on outlandish statements for attention." Too much credit in calling him an edgelord. He's a despicable human being with very little intellect.
murder Member	Tue May 15 15:02:25 "... with very little intellect and whom relies on outlandish statements for attention." I don't make outlandish statements. I kind of a radical ... and I'm right. If you don't believe that our government is run by jews and their agents, you're blind as shit. And for that, they deserve the hate of every patriotic American ... and me too.
murder Member	Tue May 15 15:04:10 "Too much credit in calling him an edgelord. He's a despicable human being with very little intellect." It stings when a mirror is held up to your face and you realize that you're probably a rapist, doesn't it?
Paramount Member	Tue May 15 15:11:37 At least he is human. The Israeli mafia government and its hangarounds are demons.
hood Member	Tue May 15 15:19:49 "It stings when a mirror is held up to your face and you realize that you're probably a rapist, doesn't it?" It stings about as much as when hot rod called me a blivet.
obaminated Member	Tue May 15 15:27:46 So, in 2018 we have seen the meltdowns of dukhat, seb and now murder.
Sam Adams Member	Tue May 15 15:39:07 Lol @ murder
Average Ameriacn Member	Tue May 15 15:40:25 Wow Romney has become a democrat! http://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/995841728333713408 Mitt Romney@MittRomney Robert Jeffress says “you can’t be saved by being a Jew,“ and “Mormonism is a heresy from the pit of hell.” He’s said the same about Islam. Such a religious bigot should not be giving the prayer that opens the United States Embassy in Jerusalem.
murder Member	Tue May 15 15:42:25 You can't be saved by being a Christian either, so it's all good.
Asgard Member	Tue May 15 15:42:53 "The difference between the Islamic State jihadists and the Jewish State government is that the muslims never voted for the murderous jihadists, while the Jews actually voted for their murderous government." ROFLOLZ! Remember this quote as well, the next time you say Israel has no right to attack Hamas because Hamas is an elected government in Gaza. FUCK YEAH
Asgard Member	Tue May 15 15:53:48 I'll ask the good lord above, Turtle, to pin your post.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Tue May 15 16:26:36 http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdOodKDU0AEH_sv.jpg
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