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Paramount
Member Tue May 15 13:51:45
Dishonest USA is at it again. Rofl

Don’t make deals with the US, people. Just don’t. It is useless.

http://eng...00000AEN20180516000500315.html

N. Korea cancels high-level talks with S. Korea over military drill

SEOUL, May 16 (Yonhap) -- North Korea said Wednesday it is canceling high-level talks with South Korea planned for later in the day due to ongoing military exercises between the South and the United States.

The North's Korean Central News Agency said the Max Thunder drills between the South Korean and U.S. air forces are a rehearsal for invasion of the North and a provocation amid warming inter-Korean ties.

The high-level talks were meant to take place on the southern side of the truce village of Panmunjom to discuss follow-up measures to the two Korean leaders' summit last month.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Tue May 15 14:19:19

The United States never claimed the military exercises would stop prior to the talks.

As a matter of fact, we made it clear that we would change nothing prior to the talks. This is starting to look like the North Korea we are all too familiar with.

Mark this: if they pull out of the talks PRESIDENT Trump *****WILL USE***** military force to shut down NK's nuclear program.

It will be sudden and devastating.

swordtail
Anarchist Prime Tue May 15 14:24:32
"Mark this: if they pull out of the talks PRESIDENT Trump *****WILL USE***** military force to shut down NK's nuclear program."

lol

Paramount
Member Tue May 15 14:28:59
NK habe the right to use pre-emptive self defense and nuke Washington. Kim would go out with style if he did that.

murder
Member Tue May 15 14:44:55

"lol"

Hey he did fire > 100 cruise missiles at a few building in Syria so ...

tumbleweed
the wanderer Tue May 15 14:59:15
Trump will tweet about attacking them & be ignored by the adults as usual

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Tue May 15 18:09:27
This can only mean war?

obaminated
Member Tue May 15 18:14:37
They'll get over it.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Tue May 15 23:34:29
North Korea statement
http://www...rth-korea-statement-trump.html

they seem none too happy with Bolton & his Libya comparison

"we do not hide our feelings of repugnance towards him"

kargen
Member Wed May 16 02:32:58
Wouldn't it be dishonest North Korea on this one? They were told the military drills were going to happen and said that it wouldn't matter.

All this is happening is Kim is testing to see what he can get away with.

murder
Member Wed May 16 10:43:54

You have no idea what they were told or what they agreed to.

swordtail
Anarchist Prime Wed May 16 11:02:55
"You have no idea what they were told or what they agreed to."

cha ching!

Paramount
Member Wed May 16 11:03:49
I think there is just more than one thing here.

First they saw the USA violating the UNSC resolution on Iran’s nuclear program and the USA imposing new sanctions on Iran despite that everyone had signed the deal.

Then this fool Bolton comes along and says that North Korea will receive the Libya treatment. Tthe US had an agreement with Libya that if they abandon their WMD they would protect the Libyan regime. Now, what happened to Ghadaffi?

The US has also said that they are not looking destroy the regime in NK. How much do you think USA’s words or any signed agreement is worth?

NK has showed good faith by releasing US citizens, in return the US holds military drills.

The Commander in Chief is not the smartest jew in the US administration.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed May 16 11:08:32
probably offended by all the bragging too

also were reports of Trump wanting to pull military families before olympics (which would have ratcheted up tensions, but the adults talked him out of it) & McMaster not wanting to give Trump military options as he was worried Trump would want to go ahead and do it

as we all know... attacking is the ONLY thing Trump has ever wanted to do (peace prize indeed)

Hot Rod
Revved Up Wed May 16 11:15:30

If it becomes necessary to use conventional weapons against North Korea it will be nothing like Syria.

There is little that Syria could do in the way of retaliation. A hundred missiles against their WMD and that was the end of it.

But NK has hundreds of long-range artillery pointed at Seoul plus a large and well trained military close to the border. Of course, we have about two divisions there. (That's a guess, I don't know what the army's TO&E is today but when I was in the army 28,000 troops was close to two divisions.) And the South Koreans have a large and well-trained military also.

So if we mount a surprise attack it will be massive and severe in order to limit South Korean civilian casualties.

Paramount
Member Wed May 16 11:19:05
You would need a UNSC resolution to be able to legally launch an attack on another State.

murder
Member Wed May 16 11:21:01

"as we all know... attacking is the ONLY thing Trump has ever wanted to do (peace prize indeed)"

Trump would never launch a war against anyone that could fight back. He couldn't survive the body count.

murder
Member Wed May 16 11:23:28

"But NK has hundreds of long-range artillery pointed at Seoul plus a large and well trained military close to the border."

NK has a large and poorly trained army. Not that it matters since they wouldn't care about casualties. Just fewer mouths to feed.

murder
Member Wed May 16 11:25:07

"You would need a UNSC resolution to be able to legally launch an attack on another State."

We're still technically at war with N.Korea ... and UN authorization only applies to nations without a veto on the security council.

The UN is a joke.

Rugian
Member Wed May 16 11:36:20
Aren't we well beyond the point of pretending that we need UN authorization for anything by now?

Hot Rod
Revved Up Wed May 16 11:37:56

paramounted - You would need a UNSC resolution to be able to legally launch an attack on another State.

Why? A state of war between the United Nations and North Korea has existed since NK invaded South Korea in 1950.

An attack would simply be the next, and hopefully the last, battle of that war.

However, if it becomes necessary you had better brush up on your fighting skills. Sweden may be needed to supply more than a hospital this time around. Especially if China sends in troops again.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed May 16 11:48:04
"If Little Rocket Man doesn't want to comply, then he has to face the consequences."
~ Hannity

...the guy Trump calls every night before bed to talk to since his wife leads a separate life

murder
Member Wed May 16 11:53:36

Is he little rocket man again?

Hot Rod
Revved Up Wed May 16 11:54:25

The consequences are continued restrictions with a very likelihood of a conventional resurgence of the war if NK starts testing again.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Wed May 16 11:58:19

murder, no.

The White House is going ahead with the talks assuming that Kim will still show up.

He probably will.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed May 16 12:01:52
"He couldn't survive the body count."

i think Trump is willing to sacrifice South Koreans... he's a petty amoral child... & they aren't white people

he will just blame NK & say it was necessary & his HR army will agree

murder
Member Wed May 16 12:06:36

Yeah but there would be no way of keeping US ground forces out of it.

patom
Member Wed May 16 17:46:23
Waste of time negotiating with N. Korea. They are past masters at dragging things out over the most minute detail. We all know that the Twitterman has no patience with details.

kargen
Member Wed May 16 17:53:18
My guess is the talk will happen and both leaders will tell their respective countries something to appease the masses. Frankly I would be surprised if they can agree to what time to have a snack so I hope I am surprised.

murder
Member Wed May 16 18:21:50

War will break out when Trump tries to crush Kim's hand to establish dominance.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Thu May 17 13:23:32
total lying idiot Trump just claimed Bolton brought up Libya as what would happen if NK doesn't agree to negotiate...

Paramount
Member Sat May 19 02:03:24
Trump says no 'Libya model' for denuclearization of NKorea

US President Donald Trump on Thursday tried to put his summit with North Korea's Kim Jong Un back on track, saying he would not seek to implement a so-called "Libya model" for denuclearization that would force Pyongyang to give up its arms and see Kim ousted.
Pyongyang on Tuesday threatened to cancel the summit set for June 12 in Singapore, blaming US demands for "unilateral nuclear abandonment."

That was a reference to comments made by Trump's National Security Advisor John Bolton, who referred to the "Libya model from 2003, 2004" as a blueprint for the denuclearization promised by North Korea.

In late 2003, then Libyan leader Moamer Kadhafi agreed to the elimination of his country's nuclear program and chemical weapons arsenal to gain sanctions relief.

The reference was seen in Pyongyang as unfortunate at best: after giving up his atomic program, Kadhafi was killed in 2011 in an uprising backed by NATO bombing.

Kim "will get protections that will be very strong," Trump told reporters."He'd be in his country and running his country."

http://afp...learization-of-nkorea/a/WL1kBQ

The problem, as we has seen with Trump and the Republicans, is that one can not trust the US. When America has got a new president, there is a risk that agreements and deals made earlier will be broken. The US is simply not trustworthy. A lawyer would advise anyone to not sign a deal with the US. Because it may not be worth the ink and the paper.

Paramount
Member Sat May 19 02:15:14
Trump says one thing, but his security advisor Bolton says another thing.

How can NK know what the US really wants?

Trump will have to fire Bolton or have him to apologize and swear on his mother's grave that the NK will not get the Libya model.

"Kim "will get protections that will be very strong," Trump told reporters."He'd be in his country and running his country."

Yeah, he be running his country until the US attacks the regime, which will be easier when NK has given up their nukes.

murder
Member Sat May 19 10:52:58

"Kim "will get protections that will be very strong," Trump told reporters."He'd be in his country and running his country.""

He's already got that. :o)

murder
Member Sat May 19 10:57:57

"Yeah, he be running his country until the US attacks the regime, which will be easier when NK has given up their nukes."

Exactly. Kim would have to be Homer Simpson level stupid to fall for this nonsense. His response should be "pack up your troops and go home, and you won't have to worry about our nukes."

CrownRoyal
Member Sun May 20 15:36:37
U.S. Scrapped Training Exercise With South Korea Involving B-52s

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-scrapped-training-exercise-with-south-korea-involving-b-52s-1526651491

CrownRoyal
Member Sun May 20 15:40:13
How great is this for the young Kim? Trump is giving him the meeting, one on one, that his dad and granddad demanded for decades, with no success, because no US president wanted to legitimize them.

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Paramount Member	Tue May 15 13:51:45 Dishonest USA is at it again. Rofl Don’t make deals with the US, people. Just don’t. It is useless. http://eng...00000AEN20180516000500315.html N. Korea cancels high-level talks with S. Korea over military drill SEOUL, May 16 (Yonhap) -- North Korea said Wednesday it is canceling high-level talks with South Korea planned for later in the day due to ongoing military exercises between the South and the United States. The North's Korean Central News Agency said the Max Thunder drills between the South Korean and U.S. air forces are a rehearsal for invasion of the North and a provocation amid warming inter-Korean ties. The high-level talks were meant to take place on the southern side of the truce village of Panmunjom to discuss follow-up measures to the two Korean leaders' summit last month.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue May 15 14:19:19 The United States never claimed the military exercises would stop prior to the talks. As a matter of fact, we made it clear that we would change nothing prior to the talks. This is starting to look like the North Korea we are all too familiar with. Mark this: if they pull out of the talks PRESIDENT Trump ***WILL USE*** military force to shut down NK's nuclear program. It will be sudden and devastating.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Tue May 15 14:24:32 "Mark this: if they pull out of the talks PRESIDENT Trump ***WILL USE*** military force to shut down NK's nuclear program." lol
Paramount Member	Tue May 15 14:28:59 NK habe the right to use pre-emptive self defense and nuke Washington. Kim would go out with style if he did that.
murder Member	Tue May 15 14:44:55 "lol" Hey he did fire > 100 cruise missiles at a few building in Syria so ...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue May 15 14:59:15 Trump will tweet about attacking them & be ignored by the adults as usual
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue May 15 18:09:27 This can only mean war?
obaminated Member	Tue May 15 18:14:37 They'll get over it.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue May 15 23:34:29 North Korea statement http://www...rth-korea-statement-trump.html they seem none too happy with Bolton & his Libya comparison "we do not hide our feelings of repugnance towards him"
kargen Member	Wed May 16 02:32:58 Wouldn't it be dishonest North Korea on this one? They were told the military drills were going to happen and said that it wouldn't matter. All this is happening is Kim is testing to see what he can get away with.
murder Member	Wed May 16 10:43:54 You have no idea what they were told or what they agreed to.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Wed May 16 11:02:55 "You have no idea what they were told or what they agreed to." cha ching!
Paramount Member	Wed May 16 11:03:49 I think there is just more than one thing here. First they saw the USA violating the UNSC resolution on Iran’s nuclear program and the USA imposing new sanctions on Iran despite that everyone had signed the deal. Then this fool Bolton comes along and says that North Korea will receive the Libya treatment. Tthe US had an agreement with Libya that if they abandon their WMD they would protect the Libyan regime. Now, what happened to Ghadaffi? The US has also said that they are not looking destroy the regime in NK. How much do you think USA’s words or any signed agreement is worth? NK has showed good faith by releasing US citizens, in return the US holds military drills. The Commander in Chief is not the smartest jew in the US administration.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed May 16 11:08:32 probably offended by all the bragging too also were reports of Trump wanting to pull military families before olympics (which would have ratcheted up tensions, but the adults talked him out of it) & McMaster not wanting to give Trump military options as he was worried Trump would want to go ahead and do it as we all know... attacking is the ONLY thing Trump has ever wanted to do (peace prize indeed)
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed May 16 11:15:30 If it becomes necessary to use conventional weapons against North Korea it will be nothing like Syria. There is little that Syria could do in the way of retaliation. A hundred missiles against their WMD and that was the end of it. But NK has hundreds of long-range artillery pointed at Seoul plus a large and well trained military close to the border. Of course, we have about two divisions there. (That's a guess, I don't know what the army's TO&E is today but when I was in the army 28,000 troops was close to two divisions.) And the South Koreans have a large and well-trained military also. So if we mount a surprise attack it will be massive and severe in order to limit South Korean civilian casualties.
Paramount Member	Wed May 16 11:19:05 You would need a UNSC resolution to be able to legally launch an attack on another State.
murder Member	Wed May 16 11:21:01 "as we all know... attacking is the ONLY thing Trump has ever wanted to do (peace prize indeed)" Trump would never launch a war against anyone that could fight back. He couldn't survive the body count.
murder Member	Wed May 16 11:23:28 "But NK has hundreds of long-range artillery pointed at Seoul plus a large and well trained military close to the border." NK has a large and poorly trained army. Not that it matters since they wouldn't care about casualties. Just fewer mouths to feed.
murder Member	Wed May 16 11:25:07 "You would need a UNSC resolution to be able to legally launch an attack on another State." We're still technically at war with N.Korea ... and UN authorization only applies to nations without a veto on the security council. The UN is a joke.
Rugian Member	Wed May 16 11:36:20 Aren't we well beyond the point of pretending that we need UN authorization for anything by now?
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed May 16 11:37:56 paramounted - You would need a UNSC resolution to be able to legally launch an attack on another State. Why? A state of war between the United Nations and North Korea has existed since NK invaded South Korea in 1950. An attack would simply be the next, and hopefully the last, battle of that war. However, if it becomes necessary you had better brush up on your fighting skills. Sweden may be needed to supply more than a hospital this time around. Especially if China sends in troops again.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed May 16 11:48:04 "If Little Rocket Man doesn't want to comply, then he has to face the consequences." ~ Hannity ...the guy Trump calls every night before bed to talk to since his wife leads a separate life
murder Member	Wed May 16 11:53:36 Is he little rocket man again?
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed May 16 11:54:25 The consequences are continued restrictions with a very likelihood of a conventional resurgence of the war if NK starts testing again.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed May 16 11:58:19 murder, no. The White House is going ahead with the talks assuming that Kim will still show up. He probably will.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed May 16 12:01:52 "He couldn't survive the body count." i think Trump is willing to sacrifice South Koreans... he's a petty amoral child... & they aren't white people he will just blame NK & say it was necessary & his HR army will agree
murder Member	Wed May 16 12:06:36 Yeah but there would be no way of keeping US ground forces out of it.
patom Member	Wed May 16 17:46:23 Waste of time negotiating with N. Korea. They are past masters at dragging things out over the most minute detail. We all know that the Twitterman has no patience with details.
kargen Member	Wed May 16 17:53:18 My guess is the talk will happen and both leaders will tell their respective countries something to appease the masses. Frankly I would be surprised if they can agree to what time to have a snack so I hope I am surprised.
murder Member	Wed May 16 18:21:50 War will break out when Trump tries to crush Kim's hand to establish dominance.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu May 17 13:23:32 total lying idiot Trump just claimed Bolton brought up Libya as what would happen if NK doesn't agree to negotiate...
Paramount Member	Sat May 19 02:03:24 Trump says no 'Libya model' for denuclearization of NKorea US President Donald Trump on Thursday tried to put his summit with North Korea's Kim Jong Un back on track, saying he would not seek to implement a so-called "Libya model" for denuclearization that would force Pyongyang to give up its arms and see Kim ousted. Pyongyang on Tuesday threatened to cancel the summit set for June 12 in Singapore, blaming US demands for "unilateral nuclear abandonment." That was a reference to comments made by Trump's National Security Advisor John Bolton, who referred to the "Libya model from 2003, 2004" as a blueprint for the denuclearization promised by North Korea. In late 2003, then Libyan leader Moamer Kadhafi agreed to the elimination of his country's nuclear program and chemical weapons arsenal to gain sanctions relief. The reference was seen in Pyongyang as unfortunate at best: after giving up his atomic program, Kadhafi was killed in 2011 in an uprising backed by NATO bombing. Kim "will get protections that will be very strong," Trump told reporters."He'd be in his country and running his country." http://afp...learization-of-nkorea/a/WL1kBQ The problem, as we has seen with Trump and the Republicans, is that one can not trust the US. When America has got a new president, there is a risk that agreements and deals made earlier will be broken. The US is simply not trustworthy. A lawyer would advise anyone to not sign a deal with the US. Because it may not be worth the ink and the paper.
Paramount Member	Sat May 19 02:15:14 Trump says one thing, but his security advisor Bolton says another thing. How can NK know what the US really wants? Trump will have to fire Bolton or have him to apologize and swear on his mother's grave that the NK will not get the Libya model. "Kim "will get protections that will be very strong," Trump told reporters."He'd be in his country and running his country." Yeah, he be running his country until the US attacks the regime, which will be easier when NK has given up their nukes.
murder Member	Sat May 19 10:52:58 "Kim "will get protections that will be very strong," Trump told reporters."He'd be in his country and running his country."" He's already got that. :o)
murder Member	Sat May 19 10:57:57 "Yeah, he be running his country until the US attacks the regime, which will be easier when NK has given up their nukes." Exactly. Kim would have to be Homer Simpson level stupid to fall for this nonsense. His response should be "pack up your troops and go home, and you won't have to worry about our nukes."
CrownRoyal Member	Sun May 20 15:36:37 U.S. Scrapped Training Exercise With South Korea Involving B-52s https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-scrapped-training-exercise-with-south-korea-involving-b-52s-1526651491
CrownRoyal Member	Sun May 20 15:40:13 How great is this for the young Kim? Trump is giving him the meeting, one on one, that his dad and granddad demanded for decades, with no success, because no US president wanted to legitimize them.
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