Utopia Talk / Politics / Cohen pleads the 6th amendment

tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed May 16 12:47:14 here's Trumps financial disclosure form showing his Stormy payment http://cdn...ump.donald.2018.annual.278.pdf note how the child even signs regular documents in giant black marker...
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed May 16 12:58:03 As I understand it this document verifies that Trump did, in fact, pay Cohen a monthly retainer to take care of legal expenses that arose. The document proves that Trump did not know what was paid because he did not get an itemized statement so he did not know what was being paid out. If you need additional information turn on FOX News. It is break news so they will be talking about all day and perhaps longer.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed May 16 12:58:42 this seems to be the relevant entry (as a footnote)... "In the interest of transparency, while not required to be disclosed as "reportable liabilities" on Part 8, in 2016 expenses were incurred by one of Donald J. Trump's attorneys, Michael Cohen. Mr. Cohen sought reimbursement of those expenses and Mr. Trump fully reimbursed Mr. Cohen in 2017. The category of value would be $100,001 - $250,000 and the interest rate would be zero. " ...with a seeming 'fuck you, it DID need reported' notation by OGE on the first page
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed May 16 12:59:41 "As I understand it this document verifies that Trump did, in fact, pay Cohen a monthly retainer to take care of legal expenses that arose." it does not show that at all, & Fox News is not a source of any reliable information on Trump at all, it's a Trump propaganda network
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed May 16 13:03:21 I think this says it all, "In the interest of transparency, while not required to be disclosed as "reportable liabilities" The operative words there are "not required".
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed May 16 13:09:51 rw, wake up/ Please. This is an ***Official Government***: Executive Branch Personnel Public Financial Disclosure Report. These cannot be played with.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed May 16 13:09:51 yes, Trump's lawyers, who hid it from the 2016 form (this is the 2017 form), claim it wasn't required (as lawyers are liars) the OGE (page 1) says 'yes it was required' you lying pieces of shit
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed May 16 13:11:45 You are impossible. -30-
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed May 16 13:15:31 this is the page 1 note so no one needs to view the doc (except to see the child's use of marker... so pathetic...) "Comments of Reviewing Officials: OGE has concluded that the information related to the payment made by Mr. Cohen is required to be reported and that the information provided meets the disclosure requirement for a reportable liability" meaning they disagree w/ Trump's team claim of it not being required
hood Member	Wed May 16 13:22:40 Clearly the OF A is part of the deep state...
American Democrat Member	Wed May 16 13:29:58 "As I understand it this document verifies that Trump did, in fact, pay Cohen a monthly retainer to take care of legal expenses that arose. " As you understand and as the rest of the world understands it and according to Trump's attorney, Rudy Giuliani, that this was the money in reference to pay Stormy Daniels. Anything else you want to present your understanding as? And spare me about Giuliani making a mistake and being his "first day on the job" type argument that is/was being peddled around.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed May 16 14:02:35 for the record, i see nothing about a monthly retainer in the docs... and in fact, if that was the case, it doesn't seem it would qualify as a liability... and Trump's own people have listed it as a liability where Cohen sought reimbursement for an expense so more lies proven, as not only did Rudy have that retainer story, it appeared on Trump's twitter as well
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed May 16 18:12:45 New: sleazebag-criminal/Trump-buddy Cohen also solicited $1 million from Qatari gov't to provide Trump access (they declined)
Delude Member	Wed May 16 18:51:47 Drain that swamp
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed May 16 20:13:03 tw is close to the edge.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed May 16 21:35:20 You ok with the actions of Trumps long time lawyer?
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed May 16 21:41:35 There was nothing illegal about it. The hooker was paid off in order to avoid the Trump family finding out. If a crime was committed it should be the hooker for extortion.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed May 16 22:45:03 yeah... even though they could've paid her off years ago when she was shopping the story instead of sending a goon to threaten her and how about the millions Cohen made offering any company or country info on Trump?
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu May 17 08:21:39 I doubt there was a goon. Surely you don't believe you are the only one that lies. And Cohen was a lobbyist, supposedly. And no, I don't like any lobbyist. Did you see where Trump made an EO making someone leaving government must wait five years before they can lobby the government?
hood Member	Thu May 17 08:28:52 "And Cohen was a lobbyist, supposedly" He wasn't registered as one. Sort of makes it illegal for him to accept bribes to lobby if he isn't registered. Also: If you pay someone for information (like companies did to Cohen) and you find out almost immediately that this person cannot deliver anything useful, you do not keep paying the useless person for 12 months. You terminate the contract. That multiple businesses paid Cohen monthly fees despite knowing almost immediately that he had nothing of value makes it highly unlikely that Cohen was just selling information of who in government has Trump's ear. Those 11 months of extra payments makes this smell very much like bribery disguised as "providing services" to the bribers by splitting the payments up in such a manner.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu May 17 08:40:48 Bribery for what? I didn't know he wasn't registered. Is that illegal? If so he should be charged.
Cold Rod Member	Thu May 17 08:41:58 Of course you didn't. Fox news didn't explain that part to you did they?lol
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu May 17 10:11:48 Guess not. hood, are you talking about canceling the Iran deal?
hood Member	Thu May 17 10:52:36 I was referring to companies paying Cohen monthly for 12 months to gain insider information, realizing he had nothing useful within a week or so, and then not cancelling the contract. Continuing the payments reeks of swampiness.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu May 17 11:20:07 our 'law & order' totally honest & adult president: "Despite the disgusting, illegal and unwarranted Witch Hunt, we have had the most successful first 17 month Administration in U.S. history - by far! Sorry to the Fake News Media and “Haters,” but that’s the way it is!" so the staff he hired is full of leaking traitors & his Justice Dept is engaging in illegal & disgusting behavior... quite an administration he has assembled (btw, his own hand-picked FBI director within the last couple days agreed this investigation was NOT a witch hunt)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu May 17 11:41:53 Fox & Friends chyron: "Did Comey's FBI Spy On Trump Campaign" yeah... doing his job is 'spying'...
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu May 17 14:32:33 The FBI has no legitimate reason to spy on a political campaign. None.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu May 17 14:50:00 it seems to be in response to Andrew McCarthy speculating the FBI had an informant... not exactly solid evidence, but enough for our lil boy idiot prez to tweet "Wow, word seems to be coming out that the Obama FBI “SPIED ON THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WITH AN EMBEDDED INFORMANT.” Andrew McCarthy says, “There’s probably no doubt that they had at least one confidential informant in the campaign.” If so, this is bigger than Watergate!" (and an informant is a person already involved in the activity who gives info to FBI, so doesn't reflect poorly on FBI, it reflects poorly on Trump campaign) Also, the FBI absolutely had reason to 'spy'... Papadopoulos somehow was aware Russians had hacked emails before anyone even knew hacking occurred (plus plenty of other concerns as everyone around Trump was in contact w/ Russia &/or a criminal)
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu May 17 15:58:37 tw, you do realize that what you and others are claiming that Trump did is turning out to be, in fact, what the liberals did while there is zero evidence against Trump. Wait till the Mueller investigation is over and Trump fires the current A/G and gives the job to Rudy. You will see many liberals being carted off to jail and/or being fired.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu May 17 19:07:34 odd that you cheer that... as most Trump's accusations of crimes involve no evidence (including his entire Justice Dept now) and Giuliani is clearly mentally deranged, not sure why you would want him in charge of anything when he is spewing false information almost as much as Trump today insane Giuliani claimed since a president can't be indicted, he also can't be subpoena'd... but you don't subpoena the criminal, there's no relation between the two things
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu May 17 19:38:01 Rudy is one of the best prosectors today and an excellent one from the last century. Did you know that before he was mayor of New York that he was in charge of the Crime Division of The United States Attorney General's Office? You don't get to do that unless you have a helluva lot on the ball. BTW, the relating factor is The President's time.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu May 17 19:46:18 perhaps Rudy and Trump were mentally sound in their younger days, but not anymore
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu May 17 19:51:56 You keep saying that and Trump keeps outperforming the last three Presidents combined.
hood Member	Thu May 17 20:59:05 "Trump keeps outperforming the last three Presidents combined" Just no.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu May 17 21:57:04 et tu brute'
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu May 17 23:06:54 i'll agree on his superior ability to damage our reputation around the world... Bush did some work in that area too, but Trump is definitely the master
Hot Rod Revved Up	Fri May 18 02:06:03 Don't you remember when Oslimea kissed the King of Saudi Arabia's Ring? That made The United States a laughing stock around the world and embarrassed the hell out of any real American.
American Democrat Member	Fri May 18 05:03:21 "Don't you remember when Oslimea kissed the King of Saudi Arabia's Ring? That made The United States a laughing stock around the world and embarrassed the hell out of any real American. " Well you start off with the lie. Obama didn't kiss any ring of sorts from any Saudi Royal. And if you are referring to the bow, it wasn't embarrassing to anyone other than to the right and Fox News viewers. But a little history lesson: "Although many [Conservatives] painted Obama’s bowing as a sign of weakness or deference, he was not the first sitting president to bow (or to be criticized for bowing) to a foreign leader. President Nixon bowed to Japan Emperor Hirohito in 1971 and referred to him and his wife as ‘Your Imperial Majesties.'” Bill Clinton was criticized for bowing in 1994 to Japan’s Emperor Akihito. George W. Bush was mocked for holding hands with Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah in 2005. Even President Eisenhower bowed to France’s leader Charles de Gaulle. Although these gestures may be viewed as weak by some, bowing can also be a sign of respect" I guess you have an interesting definition for a "real American" as there is currently a President that cares not about national security, doesn't believe his own intel agencies, rather help Russia and China evade sanctions, gets out of the Iran deal that was a multi-international effort and still do this day cannot describe as to why it was a "bad deal," "worst deal," "US got nothing," that caused more un-easement in the region that was already fragile. Then to add the multitude of nations that are our allies that are vehemently disagreeing with how we are conducting ourselves which leads to us being universally mocked and not view us as a world leader as much now which was our M.O. But sure Hot Rod, you state a lie to demonstrate how 'embarrassing'Obama was for us and have your own demented definition of a "real American." ""Trump keeps outperforming the last three Presidents combined" " And as hood said, no. Also, I am curious the criteria you used to make this ridiculous claim.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Fri May 18 07:17:28 "And if you are referring to the bow, it wasn't embarrassing to anyone other than to the right and Fox News viewers." That's what I said, "and embarrassed the hell out of any real American."
American Democrat Member	Fri May 18 07:42:47 Then your definition of "real american" perpetuates the notion that you relish and dwell in the life of contradictions and hypocrisy regressing to a time period that is antiquated and has no room in modern progresses.
hood Member	Fri May 18 07:48:21 Rod, you are an embarrassment to this community and this nation. As a direct descendant of a founding father: get the fuck out of my country, you unamerican shitsack.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Fri May 18 09:32:38 I will get in line. Right behind 15 to 20 million illegal aliens that you so proudly honor and believe that they have more right to be in this sovereign country here than your fellow citizens. Especially the criminals.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Fri May 18 09:43:02 A Real American is one that wants our country is wise enough to want America to be the best country it can be. He finds it silly that the Democrats are dragging their feet on advise and consent. The Lady from Chicago
hood Member	Fri May 18 09:48:33 http://www...llegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/ Sorry, but you're looking at ~12 mil, not 15-20 mil. "A Real American is one that wants our country is wise enough to want America to be the best country it can be." Our country would improve with you not in it.
American Democrat Member	Fri May 18 10:09:07 "A Real American is one that wants our country is wise enough to want America to be the best country it can be." Well,I guess that counts you and Trump and those who align with him out.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Fri May 18 21:32:31 It was 12 million ten years ago. During the Oslimea rule, they averaged over 450,000 a year. ^You do the math.
hood Member	Fri May 18 21:50:00 You realize that illegals also leave the country, right, fucktard?
Memory Lane Member	Fri May 18 22:48:58 I remember hot rod is good at maths... I drink and remember things.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat May 19 06:00:44 So now you are saying that more leave than come here? Sorry, I just have not heard the latest estimates. So exactly what are they?
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat May 19 06:02:59 hood - Our country would improve with you not in it. I am a Constitutional Conservative. What does your catty remark say about you?
Memory Lane Member	Sat May 19 06:20:32 I remember hot rod having 'great expertise' about the constitution. Remember hot rod pointed out that if you protest a business you are infringing upon their first amendment right. I drink and remember things.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat May 19 09:45:35 Why don't you sober up and stop telling lies?
Memory Lane Member	Sat May 19 09:52:23 I remember that hot rod accuses others of lying due to his own projection. I drink and remember things. 'Boycotting someone is a violation of that person's 1st Amendment rights.' -hot rod http://www...hread=38605&time=1285114229126
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat May 19 10:48:38 I don't believe I said that I cannot find that exact quote in the links you posted anyway. What I said is that a movement to get someone fired from a radio talk show is a form of force and no one person, group or government has a right to initiate the use of force.
Cold Rod Member	Sat May 19 12:27:14 "What I said is that a movement to get someone fired from a radio talk show is a form of force and no one person, group or government has a right to initiate the use of force. " No that isn't what you said at all and in that link it seems the whole UP community called you out on it. Wow you're really fucking dumb. "I don't believe I said that I cannot find that exact quote in the links you posted anyway." You are aware that is a summary of your view from what you said during the course of that thread right? lol, you dumbass.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat May 19 12:48:43 Trump led a boycott of Macy's... & kept up the attacks for ~6 months... & also called for a boycott of CNN, the NFL, & Apple ...and has tried to get numerous people in various industries fired over the years
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat May 19 12:58:26 "Everybody should boycott the @megynkelly show. Never worth watching. Always a hit on Trump! She is sick, & the most overrated person on tv. ~petty child" http://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/710947686879531008 that seems like it perfectly fits your "What I said is that a movement to get someone fired from a radio talk show is a form of force and no one person, group or government has a right to initiate the use of force. " and searching his twitter... in addition to Macy's, CNN, the NFL & Apple... he's also called for boycotts of Univision, Italy, Mexico, HBO, Rolling Stone magazine, Glenfiddich Scotch, & Chinese products
Cold Rod Member	Sat May 19 15:43:22 Uh oh. I guess that means Hot Rod will alter what he meant it or say that she isn't a "real american" so it's perfectly legit.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat May 19 15:50:07 apparently Don Jr also colluded with Israel, Saudi Arabia & the UAE to help Trump win the election http://www...di-uae-nader-prince-zamel.html quite the little adulterous traitor
hood Member	Sat May 19 15:52:35 "I am a Constitutional Conservative. What does your catty remark say about you?" That I can identify petulantly useless people and the outcome of removing them.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat May 19 17:43:58 cr - You are aware that is a summary of your view from what you said during the course of that thread right? lol, you dumbass No that isn't what you said at all and in that link it seems the whole UP community called you out on it. Wow you're really fucking dumb. This is the summary of what I said, dumb ass. "What I said is that a movement to get someone fired from a radio talk show is a form of force and no one person, group or government has a right to initiate the use of force. "
Cold Rod Member	Sat May 19 17:54:51 Lol again not even close. But I guess the interpretation must be wrong since universally yoh were slammed. But hey, hold on to your delusions, dumbass. Lol
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat May 19 18:09:52 You just have a different interpretation of what I said, dumbass. If you don't believe it, read Atlas Shrugged.
Cold Rod Member	Sat May 19 18:53:07 No, if you have, according to the thread referenced, universally panning you and intrepeting the summary that is presented. It is you that resonates in self-induced delusions. No matter what you say or do. The summary remains the same. It is shown an proven that you believe that boycotting someone or business is a violation o their amendment rights, thus showing you clearly don't know the Constitution and how it works. You dumbfuck.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat May 19 19:51:35 Damn, I wish I could read minds. But correctly though.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat May 19 19:59:55 Why don't you give up reading minds and take up reading? What I am saying is that organizing a boycott is a form of force and a violation of the ***speaker's*** rights. Of course, if you know nothing of Ayn Rand you will never get it. -30-
Cold Rod Member	Sat May 19 20:34:31 Your thoughts were expressed and you were panned for it. Sorry that you feel like what you said is turned against you and nothing you can do about it. So once again you show your lack of understanding of the Constitution is at hand. "What I am saying is that organizing a boycott is a form of force and a violation of the ***speaker's*** rights." So boycotting is a first amendment violation. As what you were criticized for. Good job. You dumbfuck.
Cold Rod Member	Sat May 19 20:35:46 From that thread referenced; "Palin is talking about liberal activists attacking Laura and trying to violate Laura's 1st Amendment rights by criticizing her comments on her show. " -Hot Rod LOL, you were saying?
Cold Rod Member	Sat May 19 20:37:03 "By trying to get her fired the activists are violating the freedom of speech that she enjoys with her audience. By taking away her audience they are interfering with her rights. " -Hot Rod You were saying? LOL
Cold Rod Member	Sat May 19 20:37:35 "My thinking is that you would be taking away her audience thus restricting the number of people she could exercise freedom of speech with. Not sure if The USSC would uphold my theory or not, but that is my opinion." LOL, you were saying?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat May 19 21:58:30 this is not a violation of free speech... but again, Trump was doing same exact thing to Megyn Kelly... telling his cult to boycott her... for informing her audiences about things Trump has said & other true facts about his disgusting self
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue May 22 17:36:03 Trump's long-time criminal lawyer Cohen's criminal business partner has reached a pretty nice plea deal to avoid jail time & cooperate, so could be bad news for criminal Cohen ----- "Mr. Freidman, who was disbarred earlier this month, had been accused of failing to pay more than $5 million in taxes and faced four counts of criminal tax fraud and one of grand larceny — all B felonies. Each carries a maximum prison sentence of up to 25 years in prison. Instead, he appeared in court in Albany on Tuesday and pleaded guilty to a single count of evading only $50,000 worth of taxes; he faces five years of probation if he fulfills the terms of his agreement." (includes paying back the $5 million) http://www...en-trump-taxi-cooperation.html
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