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Hot Rod
Revved Up Mon May 21 22:58:29

To Hit The Fan.

UNFOLDING: Trump Just Busted Obama In Massive Crime ‘Bigger Than Watergate’ – It’s About To Get UGLY!

By admin
Posted on May 18, 2018

Leakers to the mainstream media news source, the New York Times, confirmed in a story that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) ran a spy operation on the Trump campaign during the 2016 presidential election involving government informants, secret subpoenas, and possible wiretaps.

This story comes just ahead of the release of the pending Department of Justice inspector general report on the FBI’s actions during the 2016 election. Many speculate this leak is a public relations attempt to paint the FBI’s efforts in the most flattering light possible. Yet many Americans believe there is no spin that can make this story into making the actions of the FBI acceptable. The FBI is supposed to be an apolitical agency, yet they have been discovered spying on the Trump campaign through phone records with “at least one” human asset.

President Donald Trump took to Twitter to speculate on the news, stating – “Wow, word seems to be coming out that the Obama FBI “SPIED ON THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WITH AN EMBEDDED INFORMANT.” Andrew McCarthy says, “There’s probably no doubt that they had at least one confidential informant in the campaign.” If so, this is bigger than Watergate!”

The NYT reports – “The F.B.I. obtained phone records and other documents using national security letters — a secret type of subpoena — officials said. And at least one government informant met several times with Mr. Page and Mr. Papadopoulos,” while citing “current and former officials” as their source of information.

The revelation of “at least one government informant” appears to confirm a Washington Post story last week in which leakers revealed that the FBI had a “top secret intelligence source” — a U.S. citizen who likely lived overseas — who had spied on members of the Trump campaign for the FBI. Many speculate that this person could possibly be Stefan Halper, a foreign policy expert and Cambridge professor who is connected to the CIA and its British counterpart, MI6.

The story reveals that the code name for the investigation on the Trump campaign was “Crossfire Hurricane,” based on a Rolling Stones song.

Nowhere in the story, however, is there evidence of any collusion during the campaign. The story states that Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael Flynn, was about to be cleared in November 2016, until he took actions after the election that the FBI wanted to examine.

The story also asks the persistent and burning question – “The question they confronted still persists: Was anyone in the Trump campaign tied to Russian efforts to undermine the election? A year and a half later, no public evidence has surfaced connecting Mr. Trump’s advisers to the hacking or linking Mr. Trump himself to the Russian government’s disruptive efforts.”

WaPo‘s report came out as House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-CA) was fighting the Justice Department for access to information on the source. After a battle between Nunes and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein over the release of classified information that was so top-secret that the DOJ refused to show Nunes on the grounds that it “could risk lives by potentially exposing the source, a U.S. citizen who has provided intelligence to the CIA and FBI” – the agency finally relented after Nunes threatened to hold Attorney General Jeff Sessions in contempt. Thus allowing Nunes and Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC) to receive a classified briefing.

According to the Wall Street Journal‘s Kimberley Strassel, the source meant “the FBI secretly had a person on the payroll who used his or her non-FBI credentials to interact in some capacity with the Trump campaign.”

“This would amount to spying, and it is hugely disconcerting,” she wrote in a piece last Thursday.

The NYT story offers conflicting reports as to what the FBI has previously stated regarding the ongoing investigation into the Trump campaign. They have previously stated the investigation began with information that Papadopoulos had told an Australian diplomat he knew that Russians had stolen emails that would be embarrassing for Hillary Clinton.

According to what leakers have stated to the NYT previously, an investigation was opened “within hours” into the Trump campaign on July 31, 2016. The FBI immediately dispatched two agents to London to conduct an interview with the Australian diplomat who spoke with Papadopoulos. This means that the FBI officially opened an active investigation before even formally interviewing Papadopoulos.

According to the leakers, it was not until two days after the investigation actually began that agents summarized their interview with Papadopoulos which is considered a significant break with diplomatic protocol” — and subsequently sent the summary back to Washington. Except now the NYT story is glossing over this rather glaring discrepancy by claiming the agents’ report “helped provide the foundation” for the case, rather than they sparked the case itself which was the initial claim. These discrepancies and apparent holes in the official narrative appear to confirm that the FBI opened an investigation into the Trump campaign based on other information. Perhaps the “top secret intelligence source” though the exact source is currently unknown.

Strassel also questioned when the investigation really began, and why. She wrote:“…when precisely was this human source operating? Because if it was prior to that infamous Papadopoulos tip, then the FBI isn’t being straight. It would mean the bureau was spying on the Trump campaign prior to that moment. And that, in turn, would mean that the FBI had been spurred to act on the basis of something other than a junior campaign aide’s loose lips.”

The NYT story also appears to be incredibly vague on when exactly FBI agents began looking into the Trump campaign, simply stating it was “days” after their investigation on Hillary Clinton’s email server ended. Disgraced former FBI Director James Comey announced he would not seek charges against Hillary on July 5, 2016, and the FBI officially launched their investigation on July 31, 2016.

The NYT story claims the investigation was sparked by suspicions over some campaign members’ pre-existing connections with Russia before they joined the campaign. Yet doing business with Russia is not illegal?

Breitbart reports of these so-called Russian ties: “Flynn, a retired three-star general, was once paid $45,000 by Russian outlet Russia Today for a 2015 speaking engagement; Paul Manafort — a veteran Republican strategist — had lobbied for pro-Russian interests in Ukraine long before he joined the Trump campaign; Carter Page had previously worked in Moscow and Russian spies had tried to recruit him. In Papadopoulos’s case, he “seemed to know” Russia had “political dirt” on Clinton.

The FBI also found Trump’s behavior suspicious, although he was not under investigation. FBI officials were also alarmed by reports that wrongly suggested that Trump’s campaign had tried to change the GOP’s stance on Ukraine in a way favorable to Russia.

The Times’ story also confirms the FBI used the salacious Steele dossier in addition to “F.B.I. information” to obtain a wiretap on Page. Democrats have tried to downplay the FBI’s reliance on the document.

The story reveals the FBI — instead of alerting the Trump campaign that it might be a target of Russian influence operations — went to lengths to hide the investigation.”

Former Deputy Attorney General Sally Q. Yates claimed during an interview with the NYT that they did not want word of the investigation to leak and potentially impact the 2016 presidential election.

Yates stated: “You do not take actions that will unnecessarily impact an election,” she said.

No, instead they chose to secretly spy on the Trump campaign as mentioned above, via phone records, secret subpoenas, and at least one informant.

The story also manages to downplay the actions of FBI Special Agent Peter Strzok, who played a key role in Hillary’s email investigation, as well as the Trump campaign investigations. As Breitbart reports – “The story claims that the FBI did not reveal eagerness to investigate Trump, citing one of Strzok’s text messages to FBI lawyer Lisa Page, with whom he was having an extramarital affair.

The Times quoted Strzok as texting Page with, “I cannot believe we are seriously looking at these allegations and the pervasive connections.” In reality, he had texted Page “OMG I CANNOT BELIEVE WE ARE SERIOUSLY LOOKING AT THESE ALLEGATIONS AND THE PERVASIVE CONNECTIONS.”

Mollie Hemingway of the Federalist called a spade a spade and states the NYT report is little more than “an attempted whitewash” of FBI behavior. The story also shows former CIA Director John Brennan taking an active role in pushing the investigation along and actively sharing intelligence with Comey showing that the Russian government was behind an attack on the election.

Yet, other reports reveal Brennan briefed then-Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), who then urged Comey to investigate the Trump campaign in an August 27, 2016 letter that could be shared with media — even though there was already an open FBI investigation. Another separate report recently published by the American Spectator’s George Neumayr said that leaked news stories in the British press showed that Brennan’s spying on Trump began around April 2016.

“As it became urgently clear to Brennan that Trump was going to face off against Hillary, Brennan turned to ‘intelligence partners’ in Europe for dirt on Trump. But they didn’t have any, save some pretty skimpy material on ‘contacts’ between Trump campaign officials and Russians.

From April 2016 to July 2016, according to leaked stories in the British press, he assembled a multi-agency taskforce that served as the beginnings of a counterintelligence probe into the Trump campaign. During these months, he was ‘personally briefing’ Obama on ‘Russian interference’ — Brennan’s euphemism for spying on the Trump campaign — and was practically camped out at the White House. So in all likelihood, Obama knew about and had given his blessing to Brennan’s dirt-digging.”

http://pro...tergate-its-about-to-get-ugly/

hood
Member Mon May 21 23:02:35
Someone's trying to muddy the water by introducing as much pre-spin as possible, huh?

Hot Rod
Revved Up Mon May 21 23:05:25

sd, first paragraph.

"Leakers to the mainstream media news source, the New York Times, confirmed in a story that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) ran a spy operation on the Trump campaign during the 2016 presidential election involving government informants, secret subpoenas, and possible wiretaps."

Hot Rod
Revved Up Mon May 21 23:06:52

Didn't Trump say something like that over a year ago?

hood
Member Mon May 21 23:21:46
Kinda my point. Nothing here is a revelation. Trump was suspected of misdeeds and the FBI investigated it, just as it investigated Clinton.

The difference is that the Trump investigation is still ongoing and we've seen real action from it. Hence the circus level spin Trump is trying to cast.

Dukhat
Member Mon May 21 23:26:48
Trump always wants to go on the offense. If he creates enough noise, he thinks he can become the next Hugo Chavez. The sad thing is, cuckservatives hate America so much he does have a chance at it.

Y2A
Member Mon May 21 23:32:37
Democracy will inevitably die in this country as the white majority realizes that the only way to keep the power it currently holds is by more and more undemocratic means. The only real solution is seperatism.

hood
Member Mon May 21 23:41:14
^ an actual traitor to be

Forwyn
Member Mon May 21 23:43:47
proudamerican.site

Jesus

tumbleweed
the wanderer Tue May 22 00:28:31
'Obama illegally wiretapped Trump Tower': total bullshit, went nowhere

unmasking 'scandal' via Devin Nunes: total bullshit, went nowhere

dossier 'scandal' via Devin Nunes: total bullshit, went nowhere

this 'spying scandal': total bullshit, will go nowhere

(& i think Nunes had one or two other bullshit smoke grenades)

Wrath of Orion
Member Tue May 22 07:04:29
lmfao

Retard Rod never fails to swallow their shit with a giant grin. It's almost sad how people like this take advantage of mentally handicapped people like Retard Rod.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Tue May 22 11:03:53
an infinitely more reasonable analysis than OP article:

In Donald Trump’s America, there really are two Americas.

In one, America’s intelligence community caught wind of the fact that Russia was attempting to influence the various inexperienced and sketchy members of the Trump campaign, and sought to investigate this possibly dangerous behavior, using various methods at their disposal, including confidential informants on the inside.

In the other America—and make no mistake, there are tens of millions living in this alternative universe—the Obama administration sought to wiretap and spy on the Trump campaign for completely nefarious reasons. They were out to get him from day one.

There are several problems with this second option. First, of course, you have to believe that the intelligence community is wholly corrupt and utterly politicized—that there was a conspiracy (at least, at the top) to stop Trump from becoming president. If this was their goal, they failed miserably by helping him win. Or maybe you believe the “deep state” assumed Clinton would win without their help, but are now working in overdrive to coordinate a “deep-state coup” to remove him. Either way, this requires a conspiratorial mind.

<cont'd>
http://www...mcconnell-located-their-spines

he left out that in addition to the FBI not revealing any damaging info on Trump -before- the campaign, that removing him now puts Pence in...

so -really- hard to see how Obama is orchestrating this, impossible really, and so somehow this 'deep state' would be both Hillary & Pence fans

whereas America #1 just requires "various inexperienced and sketchy members of the Trump campaign" which is completely believable... even the people he has known for a long time are sketchy... but he grabbed anyone who would support him to be advisors to pretend he had a real campaign (& they basically even admit that)

Hot Rod
Revved Up Tue May 22 14:39:01

tw, I don't even read your crappy bull shit anymore.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Tue May 22 15:01:06
enjoy living in the mind of an idiot child then

Delude
Member Tue May 22 15:27:21
Crappy bullshit? Lol you pedophile, you posted a link from proudamerican.site which I suspect most certainly would be a foreigner host. Lol

Forwyn
Member Tue May 22 15:30:42
"ou have to believe that the intelligence community is wholly corrupt and utterly politicized"

This is true.

However, this does not immediately indicate that the rest of the proudamerican.site propaganda is true.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Tue May 22 15:36:48
were they rooting for Hillary or Pence?

obviously not Hillary as NOTHING was exposed to help her pre-election (& Hillary fans believe Comey was trying to hurt her w/ the late reveal) & exposing him after doesn't help Hillary

& if for Pence... they certainly were playing a long game... & why does Obama want a president Pence so bad?

it's all ridiculous nonsense

tumbleweed
the wanderer Tue May 22 15:42:19
even Trump is sliding in "if this happened..." when he was fine declaring the millions of fraud voters & that 'bad/sick' Obama illegally wiretapped him without couching it

and there's NO EVIDENCE it did happen for any improper or political reasons, just Trump shills all saying 'if this happened...'

tumbleweed
the wanderer Tue May 22 17:03:39
Judge Jeanine (weekend Hannity):

"
[lots of nonsense]...

What is unmistakable in all of this is that the single most dangerous person to the agenda of President Trump, the Republican party, and ultimately to all Americans is the Attorney General of the United States, Jeff Sessions.

The man has done nothing to make anyone responsible for the blatant corruption, the unmistakable perjury, the in-your-face obstruction of our laws that we've seen play out every day.

[^NOT referring to Trump admin]
...

[continues with more nonsense]
"

can watch all of her here if you want to harm your brain:
http://ins...-he-most-dangerous-man-america

yup... she has a TV show...

tumbleweed
the wanderer Wed May 23 10:52:54
no more 'if's... i guess he's gotten enough Fox underlings to say 'spy' 'spy' 'spy'...

"Look how things have turned around on the Criminal Deep State. They go after Phony Collusion with Russia, a made up Scam, and end up getting caught in a major SPY scandal the likes of which this country may never have seen before! What goes around, comes around!"
~Trump
(one of many such false nonsense tweets)

he needs REMOVED asap... does anyone but HR (& probably mt) find this behavior acceptable?

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri May 25 13:29:23

so John Kelly & a Trump lawyer showed up to the briefing to congress about this supposed spy... was wholly inappropriate, they have no oversight here...

White House lied saying they were there just to state they wanted transparency then left, turns out they left only because asked to leave (as wholly inappropriate)

and of course no indication of spying or wrongdoing came out of the meeting, even Nunes got no tidbits to mislead with (but wont stop him from continuing the claims on friendly Fox shows)

so was just corrupt team Trump trying to get info on what Mueller has on him

Aeros
Member Fri May 25 14:23:45
The title for this thread is crap

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri May 25 14:42:13
the complete lack of evidence of wrongdoing isn't stopping our totally unacceptable delusional child president from tweeting this today (+ other nonsense):

"Can anyone even imagine having Spies placed in a competing campaign, by the people and party in absolute power, for the sole purpose of political advantage and gain? And to think that the party in question, even with the expenditure of far more money, LOST!"

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Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon May 21 22:58:29 To Hit The Fan. UNFOLDING: Trump Just Busted Obama In Massive Crime ‘Bigger Than Watergate’ – It’s About To Get UGLY! By admin Posted on May 18, 2018 Leakers to the mainstream media news source, the New York Times, confirmed in a story that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) ran a spy operation on the Trump campaign during the 2016 presidential election involving government informants, secret subpoenas, and possible wiretaps. This story comes just ahead of the release of the pending Department of Justice inspector general report on the FBI’s actions during the 2016 election. Many speculate this leak is a public relations attempt to paint the FBI’s efforts in the most flattering light possible. Yet many Americans believe there is no spin that can make this story into making the actions of the FBI acceptable. The FBI is supposed to be an apolitical agency, yet they have been discovered spying on the Trump campaign through phone records with “at least one” human asset. President Donald Trump took to Twitter to speculate on the news, stating – “Wow, word seems to be coming out that the Obama FBI “SPIED ON THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WITH AN EMBEDDED INFORMANT.” Andrew McCarthy says, “There’s probably no doubt that they had at least one confidential informant in the campaign.” If so, this is bigger than Watergate!” The NYT reports – “The F.B.I. obtained phone records and other documents using national security letters — a secret type of subpoena — officials said. And at least one government informant met several times with Mr. Page and Mr. Papadopoulos,” while citing “current and former officials” as their source of information. The revelation of “at least one government informant” appears to confirm a Washington Post story last week in which leakers revealed that the FBI had a “top secret intelligence source” — a U.S. citizen who likely lived overseas — who had spied on members of the Trump campaign for the FBI. Many speculate that this person could possibly be Stefan Halper, a foreign policy expert and Cambridge professor who is connected to the CIA and its British counterpart, MI6. The story reveals that the code name for the investigation on the Trump campaign was “Crossfire Hurricane,” based on a Rolling Stones song. Nowhere in the story, however, is there evidence of any collusion during the campaign. The story states that Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael Flynn, was about to be cleared in November 2016, until he took actions after the election that the FBI wanted to examine. The story also asks the persistent and burning question – “The question they confronted still persists: Was anyone in the Trump campaign tied to Russian efforts to undermine the election? A year and a half later, no public evidence has surfaced connecting Mr. Trump’s advisers to the hacking or linking Mr. Trump himself to the Russian government’s disruptive efforts.” WaPo‘s report came out as House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-CA) was fighting the Justice Department for access to information on the source. After a battle between Nunes and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein over the release of classified information that was so top-secret that the DOJ refused to show Nunes on the grounds that it “could risk lives by potentially exposing the source, a U.S. citizen who has provided intelligence to the CIA and FBI” – the agency finally relented after Nunes threatened to hold Attorney General Jeff Sessions in contempt. Thus allowing Nunes and Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC) to receive a classified briefing. According to the Wall Street Journal‘s Kimberley Strassel, the source meant “the FBI secretly had a person on the payroll who used his or her non-FBI credentials to interact in some capacity with the Trump campaign.” “This would amount to spying, and it is hugely disconcerting,” she wrote in a piece last Thursday. The NYT story offers conflicting reports as to what the FBI has previously stated regarding the ongoing investigation into the Trump campaign. They have previously stated the investigation began with information that Papadopoulos had told an Australian diplomat he knew that Russians had stolen emails that would be embarrassing for Hillary Clinton. According to what leakers have stated to the NYT previously, an investigation was opened “within hours” into the Trump campaign on July 31, 2016. The FBI immediately dispatched two agents to London to conduct an interview with the Australian diplomat who spoke with Papadopoulos. This means that the FBI officially opened an active investigation before even formally interviewing Papadopoulos. According to the leakers, it was not until two days after the investigation actually began that agents summarized their interview with Papadopoulos which is considered a significant break with diplomatic protocol” — and subsequently sent the summary back to Washington. Except now the NYT story is glossing over this rather glaring discrepancy by claiming the agents’ report “helped provide the foundation” for the case, rather than they sparked the case itself which was the initial claim. These discrepancies and apparent holes in the official narrative appear to confirm that the FBI opened an investigation into the Trump campaign based on other information. Perhaps the “top secret intelligence source” though the exact source is currently unknown. Strassel also questioned when the investigation really began, and why. She wrote:“…when precisely was this human source operating? Because if it was prior to that infamous Papadopoulos tip, then the FBI isn’t being straight. It would mean the bureau was spying on the Trump campaign prior to that moment. And that, in turn, would mean that the FBI had been spurred to act on the basis of something other than a junior campaign aide’s loose lips.” The NYT story also appears to be incredibly vague on when exactly FBI agents began looking into the Trump campaign, simply stating it was “days” after their investigation on Hillary Clinton’s email server ended. Disgraced former FBI Director James Comey announced he would not seek charges against Hillary on July 5, 2016, and the FBI officially launched their investigation on July 31, 2016. The NYT story claims the investigation was sparked by suspicions over some campaign members’ pre-existing connections with Russia before they joined the campaign. Yet doing business with Russia is not illegal? Breitbart reports of these so-called Russian ties: “Flynn, a retired three-star general, was once paid $45,000 by Russian outlet Russia Today for a 2015 speaking engagement; Paul Manafort — a veteran Republican strategist — had lobbied for pro-Russian interests in Ukraine long before he joined the Trump campaign; Carter Page had previously worked in Moscow and Russian spies had tried to recruit him. In Papadopoulos’s case, he “seemed to know” Russia had “political dirt” on Clinton. The FBI also found Trump’s behavior suspicious, although he was not under investigation. FBI officials were also alarmed by reports that wrongly suggested that Trump’s campaign had tried to change the GOP’s stance on Ukraine in a way favorable to Russia. The Times’ story also confirms the FBI used the salacious Steele dossier in addition to “F.B.I. information” to obtain a wiretap on Page. Democrats have tried to downplay the FBI’s reliance on the document. The story reveals the FBI — instead of alerting the Trump campaign that it might be a target of Russian influence operations — went to lengths to hide the investigation.” Former Deputy Attorney General Sally Q. Yates claimed during an interview with the NYT that they did not want word of the investigation to leak and potentially impact the 2016 presidential election. Yates stated: “You do not take actions that will unnecessarily impact an election,” she said. No, instead they chose to secretly spy on the Trump campaign as mentioned above, via phone records, secret subpoenas, and at least one informant. The story also manages to downplay the actions of FBI Special Agent Peter Strzok, who played a key role in Hillary’s email investigation, as well as the Trump campaign investigations. As Breitbart reports – “The story claims that the FBI did not reveal eagerness to investigate Trump, citing one of Strzok’s text messages to FBI lawyer Lisa Page, with whom he was having an extramarital affair. The Times quoted Strzok as texting Page with, “I cannot believe we are seriously looking at these allegations and the pervasive connections.” In reality, he had texted Page “OMG I CANNOT BELIEVE WE ARE SERIOUSLY LOOKING AT THESE ALLEGATIONS AND THE PERVASIVE CONNECTIONS.” Mollie Hemingway of the Federalist called a spade a spade and states the NYT report is little more than “an attempted whitewash” of FBI behavior. The story also shows former CIA Director John Brennan taking an active role in pushing the investigation along and actively sharing intelligence with Comey showing that the Russian government was behind an attack on the election. Yet, other reports reveal Brennan briefed then-Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), who then urged Comey to investigate the Trump campaign in an August 27, 2016 letter that could be shared with media — even though there was already an open FBI investigation. Another separate report recently published by the American Spectator’s George Neumayr said that leaked news stories in the British press showed that Brennan’s spying on Trump began around April 2016. “As it became urgently clear to Brennan that Trump was going to face off against Hillary, Brennan turned to ‘intelligence partners’ in Europe for dirt on Trump. But they didn’t have any, save some pretty skimpy material on ‘contacts’ between Trump campaign officials and Russians. From April 2016 to July 2016, according to leaked stories in the British press, he assembled a multi-agency taskforce that served as the beginnings of a counterintelligence probe into the Trump campaign. During these months, he was ‘personally briefing’ Obama on ‘Russian interference’ — Brennan’s euphemism for spying on the Trump campaign — and was practically camped out at the White House. So in all likelihood, Obama knew about and had given his blessing to Brennan’s dirt-digging.” http://pro...tergate-its-about-to-get-ugly/
hood Member	Mon May 21 23:02:35 Someone's trying to muddy the water by introducing as much pre-spin as possible, huh?
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon May 21 23:05:25 sd, first paragraph. "Leakers to the mainstream media news source, the New York Times, confirmed in a story that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) ran a spy operation on the Trump campaign during the 2016 presidential election involving government informants, secret subpoenas, and possible wiretaps."
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon May 21 23:06:52 Didn't Trump say something like that over a year ago?
hood Member	Mon May 21 23:21:46 Kinda my point. Nothing here is a revelation. Trump was suspected of misdeeds and the FBI investigated it, just as it investigated Clinton. The difference is that the Trump investigation is still ongoing and we've seen real action from it. Hence the circus level spin Trump is trying to cast.
Dukhat Member	Mon May 21 23:26:48 Trump always wants to go on the offense. If he creates enough noise, he thinks he can become the next Hugo Chavez. The sad thing is, cuckservatives hate America so much he does have a chance at it.
Y2A Member	Mon May 21 23:32:37 Democracy will inevitably die in this country as the white majority realizes that the only way to keep the power it currently holds is by more and more undemocratic means. The only real solution is seperatism.
hood Member	Mon May 21 23:41:14 ^ an actual traitor to be
Forwyn Member	Mon May 21 23:43:47 proudamerican.site Jesus
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue May 22 00:28:31 'Obama illegally wiretapped Trump Tower': total bullshit, went nowhere unmasking 'scandal' via Devin Nunes: total bullshit, went nowhere dossier 'scandal' via Devin Nunes: total bullshit, went nowhere this 'spying scandal': total bullshit, will go nowhere (& i think Nunes had one or two other bullshit smoke grenades)
Wrath of Orion Member	Tue May 22 07:04:29 lmfao Retard Rod never fails to swallow their shit with a giant grin. It's almost sad how people like this take advantage of mentally handicapped people like Retard Rod.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue May 22 11:03:53 an infinitely more reasonable analysis than OP article: In Donald Trump’s America, there really are two Americas. In one, America’s intelligence community caught wind of the fact that Russia was attempting to influence the various inexperienced and sketchy members of the Trump campaign, and sought to investigate this possibly dangerous behavior, using various methods at their disposal, including confidential informants on the inside. In the other America—and make no mistake, there are tens of millions living in this alternative universe—the Obama administration sought to wiretap and spy on the Trump campaign for completely nefarious reasons. They were out to get him from day one. There are several problems with this second option. First, of course, you have to believe that the intelligence community is wholly corrupt and utterly politicized—that there was a conspiracy (at least, at the top) to stop Trump from becoming president. If this was their goal, they failed miserably by helping him win. Or maybe you believe the “deep state” assumed Clinton would win without their help, but are now working in overdrive to coordinate a “deep-state coup” to remove him. Either way, this requires a conspiratorial mind. <cont'd> http://www...mcconnell-located-their-spines he left out that in addition to the FBI not revealing any damaging info on Trump -before- the campaign, that removing him now puts Pence in... so -really- hard to see how Obama is orchestrating this, impossible really, and so somehow this 'deep state' would be both Hillary & Pence fans whereas America #1 just requires "various inexperienced and sketchy members of the Trump campaign" which is completely believable... even the people he has known for a long time are sketchy... but he grabbed anyone who would support him to be advisors to pretend he had a real campaign (& they basically even admit that)
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue May 22 14:39:01 tw, I don't even read your crappy bull shit anymore.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue May 22 15:01:06 enjoy living in the mind of an idiot child then
Delude Member	Tue May 22 15:27:21 Crappy bullshit? Lol you pedophile, you posted a link from proudamerican.site which I suspect most certainly would be a foreigner host. Lol
Forwyn Member	Tue May 22 15:30:42 "ou have to believe that the intelligence community is wholly corrupt and utterly politicized" This is true. However, this does not immediately indicate that the rest of the proudamerican.site propaganda is true.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue May 22 15:36:48 were they rooting for Hillary or Pence? obviously not Hillary as NOTHING was exposed to help her pre-election (& Hillary fans believe Comey was trying to hurt her w/ the late reveal) & exposing him after doesn't help Hillary & if for Pence... they certainly were playing a long game... & why does Obama want a president Pence so bad? it's all ridiculous nonsense
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue May 22 15:42:19 even Trump is sliding in "if this happened..." when he was fine declaring the millions of fraud voters & that 'bad/sick' Obama illegally wiretapped him without couching it and there's NO EVIDENCE it did happen for any improper or political reasons, just Trump shills all saying 'if this happened...'
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue May 22 17:03:39 Judge Jeanine (weekend Hannity): " [lots of nonsense]... What is unmistakable in all of this is that the single most dangerous person to the agenda of President Trump, the Republican party, and ultimately to all Americans is the Attorney General of the United States, Jeff Sessions. The man has done nothing to make anyone responsible for the blatant corruption, the unmistakable perjury, the in-your-face obstruction of our laws that we've seen play out every day. [^NOT referring to Trump admin] ... [continues with more nonsense] " can watch all of her here if you want to harm your brain: http://ins...-he-most-dangerous-man-america yup... she has a TV show...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed May 23 10:52:54 no more 'if's... i guess he's gotten enough Fox underlings to say 'spy' 'spy' 'spy'... "Look how things have turned around on the Criminal Deep State. They go after Phony Collusion with Russia, a made up Scam, and end up getting caught in a major SPY scandal the likes of which this country may never have seen before! What goes around, comes around!" ~Trump (one of many such false nonsense tweets) he needs REMOVED asap... does anyone but HR (& probably mt) find this behavior acceptable?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri May 25 13:29:23 so John Kelly & a Trump lawyer showed up to the briefing to congress about this supposed spy... was wholly inappropriate, they have no oversight here... White House lied saying they were there just to state they wanted transparency then left, turns out they left only because asked to leave (as wholly inappropriate) and of course no indication of spying or wrongdoing came out of the meeting, even Nunes got no tidbits to mislead with (but wont stop him from continuing the claims on friendly Fox shows) so was just corrupt team Trump trying to get info on what Mueller has on him
Aeros Member	Fri May 25 14:23:45 The title for this thread is crap
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri May 25 14:42:13 the complete lack of evidence of wrongdoing isn't stopping our totally unacceptable delusional child president from tweeting this today (+ other nonsense): "Can anyone even imagine having Spies placed in a competing campaign, by the people and party in absolute power, for the sole purpose of political advantage and gain? And to think that the party in question, even with the expenditure of far more money, LOST!"
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