Utopia Talk / Politics / Philadelphia Eagles no go to White House

tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jun 04 18:35:22 "The Philadelphia Eagles are unable to come to the White House with their full team to be celebrated tomorrow. They disagree with their President because he insists that they proudly stand for the National Anthem, hand on heart, in honor of the great men and women of our military and the people of our country. The Eagles wanted to send a smaller delegation, but the 1,000 fans planning to attend the event deserve better. These fans are still invited to the White House to be part of a different type of ceremony—one that will honor our great country, pay tribute to the heroes who fight to protect it, and loudly and proudly play the National Anthem. I will be there at 3:00 p.m. with the United States Marine Band and the United States Army Chorus to celebrate America." ~Trump (in 1st & 3rd person) what kind of weird ass event is that going to be?
hood Member	Mon Jun 04 18:45:50 Apparently less than 10 players were going to visit.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jun 04 18:54:11 and now to celebrate the winning NFL team they are going to... worship the national anthem... 25th amendment time
kargen Member	Mon Jun 04 19:16:13 This is a battle I think President Trump should never been involved in.
murder Member	Mon Jun 04 20:09:54 Who cares? This stuff was never an honor for the winning team. It was a photo op for the president.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jun 04 22:09:14 "The Philadelphia Eagles Football Team was invited to the White House. Unfortunately, only a small number of players decided to come, and we canceled the event. Staying in the Locker Room for the playing of our National Anthem is as disrespectful to our country as kneeling. Sorry!" ~ idiot fun fact: no Eagles knelt for the anthem
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Mon Jun 04 22:40:31 So he's cancelling the whole event because "a few" players said they wouldn't attend.
obaminated Member	Tue Jun 05 01:33:45 this is a big deal
Dukhat Member	Tue Jun 05 04:18:33 "So he's cancelling the whole event because "a few" players said they wouldn't attend." LoL, Trump is such a pathetic and fragile snowflake.
The Sentinal Member	Tue Jun 05 05:32:40 "this is a big deal " Only to Trump and his followers.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Jun 05 06:07:31 They should change their name to 'The Philadelphia Comrades'.
The Sentinel Member	Tue Jun 05 06:19:18 Shouldnt that be trump since he had been defending Putin on most every occasion and trying to stop the investigation?
The Sentinel Member	Tue Jun 05 06:22:05 Fun fact. Since you are expressing they must be communists for not displaying nationalism. The more accurate account would be they would stand and all recite word for word since communism closely associated with Nationalism. But I am sure with your extensive education you knew that already...
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Jun 05 07:30:11 I guess I ruined your last multi-handle so you had to open up a new one. Pathetic. There is Nationalism and then there is Nationalism. Work on it, you should be able to figure it out.
The Sentinel Member	Tue Jun 05 07:56:59 No? But if we want to discuss histories of handles, I am sure we can invoke our archivists to discuss it. But you are aware that no new handles can be created on this forum right? Unless granted by TC. And back to the point you have avoided. How is anything what the eagles organization related to communism. I am sure we want to hear those thoughts.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Jun 05 09:06:00 Just an opinion that has no basis other than an opinion. Or an insult to those who have no respect for their country, our military, and The Flag itself. -30-
The Sentinel Member	Tue Jun 05 09:20:55 Has nothing to do with respect. Unless you hold the opinion that you cannot be critical of your country or instances that occur across the country? Did not the founding fathers and citizens of the nation protest and acted out to Express grievances they had?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jun 05 10:52:33 Fox News apologizes for airing photos of Eagles players kneeling while covering this story (they were kneeling in prayer, not during anthem) “During our report about President Trump canceling the Philadelphia Eagles trip to the White House to celebrate their Super Bowl win, we showed unrelated footage of players kneeling in prayer. To clarify, no members of the team knelt in protest during the national anthem throughout regular or post-season last year. We apologize for the error.”
The Sentinel Member	Tue Jun 05 11:21:49 Oh Trump's propaganda machine done its job.
chuck Member	Tue Jun 05 11:26:04 "You suck man. We're going to go to our room and play the national anthem REALLY LOUDLY." RIP adulthood.
murder Member	Tue Jun 05 12:12:14 Donald Trump is upset that every NFL player isn't forced to stand proudly with his hand over his heart during the playing of our national anthem. Donald Trump also does not know the words to the national anthem. Trumptards are hilarious. :o)
hood Member	Tue Jun 05 12:17:17 Trump: Why does the start of the national anthem of the great UNITED STATES OF AMERICA start with the name of some Mexican guy?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jun 05 12:21:36 i wonder what he will say when we get black power salutes or other standing protests...
Sam Adams Member	Tue Jun 05 12:26:53 No one likes the eagles anyway. Hmmmpf.
hood Member	Tue Jun 05 12:38:03 ^ butthurt. It's going to be especially delicious when Brady retires in 2 years and Jimmy GQ stomps everyone in San Fran.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Jun 05 12:55:34 Ya, eventually the greatest dynasty of all time will come to an end. But today is not that day!
patom Member	Tue Jun 05 13:07:28 In all honesty, who would go to the White House to celebrate their own accomplishment with a President who will most certainly make the event all about himself.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jun 05 13:14:22 Miss America is scrapping the swimsuit competition so maybe the child will go after that next
McKobb Member	Tue Jun 05 13:18:56 I thought Miss America was all about the swimsuit?
murder Member	Tue Jun 05 15:35:38 Miss America is going to die a very quick death.
kargen Member	Tue Jun 05 15:51:39 The Eagles originally said there would be 81 players and staff attending. Then Monday they said it would be three players (maybe) the team owner and the mascot but that Tuesday didn't work for them and could it be scheduled for when President Trump is overseas. So the event was changed. This quit being about police shooting black people a long time ago. Now it is players that hate President Trump and President Trump fucking with them because he can. I don't think it has ever been about disrespecting the military though the NFL did have a policy that fucked the military for quite a long while. It also quit being about race relations long before President Trump jumped in. And I still think it was stupid for President Trump to get involved with the NFL but I think it was good that he said fuck it and changed the event. We might as well be honest here most the players would have made an excuse not to show up anyway if this one wasn't so convenient for them to use.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Tue Jun 05 15:54:19 NO EAGLES KNEEELED DURING THE ENTIRE FUCKING SEASON!!!
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jun 05 16:55:10 Trump could not be clearer that he is connecting it to anthem protesting that the Eagles never did he is an idiot child... proven daily
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jun 05 16:58:44 just as he misrepresented what the kneelers were doing in the first place, he's misrepresenting why most players don't want to give his disgusting despicable self a photo op
kargen Member	Tue Jun 05 17:07:37 AND ONLY THREE EAGLES WANTED TO ATTEND! Both sides are acting like they are four year old spoiled little shits.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jun 05 17:16:11 no, just Trump
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jun 05 17:17:51 "We will proudly be playing the National Anthem and other wonderful music celebrating our Country today at 3 P.M., The White House, with the United States Marine Band and the United States Army Chorus. Honoring America! NFL, no escaping to Locker Rooms!" ~child the NFL caved totally yet he's still attacking them & continuing to smear the player motives
hood Member	Tue Jun 05 17:40:12 "AND ONLY THREE EAGLES WANTED TO ATTEND!" False. The team decided it would only send a small delegation.
kargen Member	Tue Jun 05 19:13:45 Last report was three players and a few (very few) others that work within the Eagles organization. So yeah that is indeed a small delegation. Not sure why anybody is surprised. When reporters were saying they would not attend the first corespondents dinner that was called off. Now when the Eagles say they don't want to attend this it is called off. Bet it happens again with the NBA Champions if anything is planned at all.
hood Member	Tue Jun 05 19:20:56 "So yeah that is indeed a small delegation." There's a very big difference between "eagles brass decided to send" and "only 3 players wanted to attend."
kargen Member	Tue Jun 05 20:13:00 three players is three players no matter what word you wanna use. Nobody goes to those things to see the towel boy. The Eagles informed the White House there would only be three players on Monday. I'm guessing that was a player decision and not a "brass" decision.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jun 05 21:09:43 it wasn't called off... just the Eagles disinvited by the petty child he still took time out from watching TV to go out and sang some of the words from patriotic songs and, of course, claimed the crowd was much bigger than expected (padded with administration personnel)
hood Member	Tue Jun 05 21:29:31 "The Eagles informed the White House there would only be three players on Monday. I'm guessing that was a player decision and not a "brass" decision." And you would be a fucking idiot. http://www..._than_10_philadelphia_eag.html Unless, of course, you don't think the owner is "brass".
kargen Member	Wed Jun 06 04:34:13 So basically the owner did the same thing President Trump did. He found out most the players were not going and said hey you can't go. The White House was informed that 81 people would be attending. They were given those numbers to allow the secret service to make plans. Then at the last minute the White House found out only three players were going to attend. The owner is saying it was his decision but we all know the players were not going to show up. Hell most of them said in February if invited they would not go. So as it turns out hood you are the fucking idiot just like it has always been. You can if you desire the truth go read the tweets the Eagles players have been making for quite a while now and see that their not showing had nothing to do with what the owner did or did not do. Called off, not invited. Same thing really either way it wasn't a celebration of the Eagles Super Bowl win. As an aside one person did take a knee during the National Anthem. I'm going to go out on a limb and say he isn't going to get invited back any time soon.
patom Member	Wed Jun 06 05:24:22 http://www...ng-anthem-video-134637529.html
hood Member	Wed Jun 06 08:01:46 Oh kargen, master of providing-a-fucking-source. If all you're going to do is pull shit out of your assistance and serve it, get the fuck out of here and go back to whatever hole you were inhabiting. Fucking tard.
murder Member	Wed Jun 06 09:51:47 "There's a very big difference between "eagles brass decided to send" and "only 3 players wanted to attend."" hood: You think players wanted to attend and the team wouldn't let them? You can't be serious.
hood Member	Wed Jun 06 10:00:54 No, I'm saying that there were players who did want to attend and players who didn't want to attend. Maybe it was 50/50. Maybe it was 75/25. Who knows. What we can be almost absolutely sure of is that it was not a case of "only 3 players wanted to attend," and we can be 100% sure that it wasn't a player decision to only send a handful of reps - it came straight from the top.
murder Member	Wed Jun 06 10:29:41 Dude it was only 3 players. Otherwise you ARE saying that players wanted to attend and the owner wouldn't let them. That small contingent thing was face saving bullshit to not embarrass the President.
hood Member	Wed Jun 06 10:57:20 Evidence, please. I've sourced my claims and it supports what I've said. You, however, seem to be pulling shit out of your ass.
murder Member	Wed Jun 06 11:19:38 Yeah here's my source ... the Eagles owner has absolutely no say in who goes to the White House. He can want a tiny little affair (lol!), but he can't stop every player on the team from showing up. The entire team could have gone and brought along every living former Eagle with them, and Jeffrey Lurie would have a damn thing to say about it. You notice how Trump didn't say "Screw Jeffrey Lurie, I'm having an event with the players anyway!"? That's because no one wanted to come. ----- You can't go through life just believing what you've been told or read. You need to learn to analyze things for yourself based on available evidence.
hood Member	Wed Jun 06 12:01:11 Certainly. One should be able to determine the reasonableness of a source. Your asshole is not a reliable source. All it does is deliver shit.
kargen Member	Wed Jun 06 12:03:50 hood your source doesn't support your claims. Your source says less than ten Eagles were expected to show and goes on to say the owner didn't want the event to become a sideshow. This was a concern because some of the players announcing they would not go had said they would go to DC and do something else at the same time. The only person I have seen say he wanted to go is the coach of the Eagles. Your source doesn't say what you think it says and instead supports our claims that the players had decided not to attend long before the owner decided they couldn't attend. What I am about to suggest is opinion. I think the owner changed the number from 81 to 5 and requested a day when President Trump would be out of country knowing the president would do exactly what he did. The owner has long been a critic of President Trump and he was stuck going to an event few if any of his players really wanted to attend so he did what he could to have it canceled. Again just my opinion but looking at the timing of the request it makes sense. Murder, again opinion but I think the small contingent thing was the owner thinking about himself and not the president. Looking at previous statements by the owner it seems he would be perfectly okay with embarrassing President Trump.
hood Member	Wed Jun 06 12:08:07 "Your source doesn't say what you think it says and instead supports our claims that the players had decided not to attend long before the owner decided they couldn't attend." Some. Some players. Not most, not almost all, not all. Some. Words have meanings. You clearly do not understand words. "Again just my opinion" That's very clear. Your opinions have an extremely tenuous relationship with reality, often none whatsoever.
kargen Member	Wed Jun 06 15:06:25 Yes words do have meaning and the words used in your source do not support your claims. You might want to read what I wrote again. Where I said some players I was talking about the players that announced they were going to schedule some other event to be held the same time as the White House event. Those players announcing other events is what prompted the owner to make the statement he made. Not only does the source not support what you are suggesting but neither does the time line of events. You took a good swing but you missed.
hood Member	Wed Jun 06 16:36:21 Aren't people supposed to get wiser as they age? You're just as worthlessly stupid as the last time you were here.
kargen Member	Wed Jun 06 17:27:29 I accept your concession in this argument. You saw the facts and knowing they could not be disputed resorted to insults.
hood Member	Wed Jun 06 17:40:31 On the contrary, there's no point in me telling you, yet again, that you are wrong and cannot read. At this point you are wrong by choice, not by lack of relevant information.
Memory Lane Member	Wed Jun 06 19:46:11 I for one am happy to see that old members of axis of UP retards are posting again. Nostalgia! Sign my yearbook? I drink and cry myself to sleep. ;)
kargen Member	Wed Jun 06 20:55:50 Keep living in your own special world there hood. it suits you. "On Thursday, May 31, the team notified the White House of 81 individuals, including players, coaches, management, and support personnel, who would attend the event. On Friday, the Secret Service cleared them for participation. These individuals, along with more than 1,000 Eagles fans, were scheduled to attend the event Late Friday, citing the fact that many players would not be in attendance, the team contacted the White House again, and attempted to reschedule the event. The president, however, had already announced that he would be traveling overseas on the dates the Eagles proposed. The White House, despite sensing a lack of good faith, nonetheless attempted to work with the Eagles over the weekend to change the event format that could accommodate a smaller group of players. Unfortunately, the Eagles offered to send only a tiny handful of representatives, while making clear that the great majority of players would not attend the event, despite planning to be in D.C. today. In other words, the vast majority of the Eagles team decided to abandon their fans." "Interesting. Per @MikeGarafolo, the #Eagles player contingent to the White House was slated to be Super Bowl MVP Nick Foles... and maybe one other player." The other player who confirmed he would attend was Carson Wentz.
hood Member	Wed Jun 06 21:54:04 ""Interesting. Per @MikeGarafolo, the #Eagles player contingent to the White House was slated to be Super Bowl MVP Nick Foles... and maybe one other player."" Yes, this was after the decision to send a small group. Not before they made the call. As I said, you are fucking retarded.
kargen Member	Thu Jun 07 03:53:43 You're still having trouble with that timeline thing. Again this is simply the owner deciding what players and other personnel could go after they had already decided not to. They sent a list of 81 then just a couple of days later said oh hey wait that day doesn't work for us and less than 10 actually will be going anyway. -------------- Person one: I don't like hot dogs and will not eat one. Person two: then you can't eat a hot dog. Hood comes to the conclusion that person two decided person one wouldn't eat a hot dog. Funny thing is you still won't get it and will continue to wallow in ignorance.
patom Member	Thu Jun 07 04:14:09 Who wants to go to a Twitterman celebration? Every event the Twitterman is involved in turns into a campaign moment when he brags on himself and what he presumes to have done. Also what he presumes was done against him. The clown has a hate on for the NFL because the owners wouldn't let him have a team some years back. He is doing everything in his power to hurt the NFL and all this bullshit has nothing to do with the anthem.
kargen Member	Thu Jun 07 12:53:39 I don't know the motivation but I agree this hasn't been about the anthem for a long time if ever.
patom Member	Sat Jun 09 15:31:08 http://www...d-by-american-bald-eagle-video
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