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Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Jun 12 04:22:03

1. Complete and verifiable Denuclearzation.

2. No more Demilitarized Zone.

3. It will be known as "The Peace Zone."

4. The remains of the allied military will be returned.

5. We will stop our war games with South Korea.

6. That will save us millions of dollars.

7. We will withdraw our 38,000 troops eventually.

8. Kim will dismantle/destruct the facility that tests their rocket engines.

9. We have given up nothing at this point.

10. Except President Trump had 300 new sanctions to put against North Korea. But he held off and now he doesn't have to.

11. Once North Korea reaches the point of no return on their denuclearization The President will start removing the current sanctions.

12. President Trump believes the overall process will move along quite quickly.

13. ...and much, much more.


This was truly a remarkable day. Had I been asked I never would have thought I would live long enough to see it.

McKobb
Member
Tue Jun 12 06:32:01
Trump sups with dictators.
American Democrat
Member
Tue Jun 12 06:50:38
"1. Complete and verifiable Denuclearzation. "

False. WHy? Due to the nature and past history of us verifying it. This has similarities to the Iran deal that Trump was very critical of. In fact if you are to compare the deals. This is much worse for the US due to the logistical approach and nature of it. Especially this will not take place for years perhaps up to a decade.

"2. No more Demilitarized Zone."

Terrible concept and a strategic disadvantage. Leaves South Korea vulnerable as well as out interests.

"4. The remains of the allied military will be returned.

5. We will stop our war games with South Korea.

6. That will save us millions of dollars.

7. We will withdraw our 38,000 troops eventually. "


Again, if this occurs will leave a vulnerable region and us strategically at a disadvantage. Trump's press conference in his incoherent ramble made complaints about the expenditures of these military exercises. In fact it is only a mere fraction of cost to the military budget. To celebrate it is about the same as bragging about switching the geico. Meaningless.

"8. Kim will dismantle/destruct the facility that tests their rocket engines. "

No guarantees and another empty shell of intent. There was nothing concrete about this endeavor. A deal signed in 1985 between US and NK showed that relatively immediately after NK refused to let the IAEA. In 1992 SK and NK signed a denuclearization deal. NK ignored it and proceeded. I am more likely to believe that NK will not honor the treaty. But you specifically were very critical of Obama in regards to the Iran deal. Which facts actually show it was working. Versus the rhetoric from this administration declaring it wasn't while not providing proof of.

Can you point out in your "expertise" how this is going to be any different by those standards. Other than it is Trump and not completed by a colored man?

"9. We have given up nothing at this point. "

While you just posted in your previous points the intent of giving up things. As if you made this point that has any bearing.

"10. Except President Trump had 300 new sanctions to put against North Korea. But he held off and now he doesn't have to. "

History repeating itself. Look at the chronological history of interactions between US and NK in this regards. And that is what happened specifically in the 1990s where NK took advantage of that very thing and became more of a brutal regime while using it's sources for decades to create nuclear armaments and you think after all that effort and time they are going to simple "give up" that program. Hardly.

"11. Once North Korea reaches the point of no return on their denuclearization The President will start removing the current sanctions."

I find this one hard to believe. Trump presents himself as 'hardliner' because has conceded against others that threatens out national security. I.e. Russia, China. Trump yearns for this deal and is most likely going to give up something so he can use it to boost his ego while leaving the US in a more vulnerable position destabilizing the region in the process.

"12. President Trump believes the overall process will move along quite quickly. "

Trump is also a verifiable pathological liar and has reverse many processes that are going to leave the US in a more weaken state on various levels.

"This was truly a remarkable day. Had I been asked I never would have thought I would live long enough to see it. "

I remember another administration saying they would meet such leaders. But hardline republicans were very critical of the notion. Not sure as to why they were critical of him. Could it be maybe because they felt like his birth certificate wasn't real and he wasn't a US citizen. Or could it be he had a funny name?

I find it rathe amusing that when this concept was brought forth before and proactive steps were made. They were critical of Obama to even suggest it. Trump does this and suddenly he was one that should be allowed to do it.

Don't get me wrong. Any advancement of a goal to disarm a country of such deadly devices and programs is welcome. But attached should also be the history and their actions. All considerations should be made. This seems like a hastily made shallow agreement that NK can use as propaganda back to its nation as well as Trump using it in the same fashion. And if you are naïve to think that this one meeting is the solidification of anything substantial. You have another thing coming.



murder
Member
Tue Jun 12 06:54:09

So surrender then? How is this any different than what the North Koreans have been demanding since the end of the war?

If a Democrat did this, Republicans would be screaming for impeachment.
murder
Member
Tue Jun 12 06:57:20

"Terrible concept ..."

Dude they aren't getting rid of the DMZ, Trump just wants to rebrand it as The Peace Zone. lol :o)
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Jun 12 07:31:18

murder/American Democrat, at this point the President has given up absolutely nothing.

Compare that to the $150 Billion that Obama gave Iran. BTW, that money did not go to the Iranian people. It went to their terrorist proteges.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Jun 12 07:39:08

On second thought, Trump is giving up something.

He is stopping the annual military exercises with South Korea.


(I wonder how many Millions of Dollars that will save us?)

Paramount
Member
Tue Jun 12 07:58:14
Yup, this is basically a surrender. Trump/USA promises to give up – to stop the war games and withdraw from Korea.
American Democrat
Member
Tue Jun 12 08:03:40
"(I wonder how many Millions of Dollars that will save us?)"

Answered already. Practically nothing.

Let's not forget now NK will spin this that America lost the war against NK and seek peace.

"Compare that to the $150 Billion that Obama gave Iran. BTW, that money did not go to the Iranian people. It went to their terrorist proteges. "

Please stop repeating falsehoods when it is complete much more to it than the rhetoric repeated by a known pathological liar that happens to be the current President. Unless you have other facts that pinpoint that US gave 150 billion dollars other than the frozen assets that originally belonged to Iran in the first place.

http://www...-150-billion-and-18-billion-c/
American Democrat
Member
Tue Jun 12 08:03:54
Completely*
American Democrat
Member
Tue Jun 12 08:10:43
And of course let us not forget that the Pentagon and military and other officials are expressing confusion along with South Korea as to what transpired and what Trump proclaimed.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Jun 12 08:19:50

What I thought was very interesting is Trump said he had been awake for 25 hours during his press conference.

He not only looked fresh, he looked more Presidential than ever before.

Paramount
Member
Tue Jun 12 08:21:33
How much amphetamine do you think he took?
Paramount
Member
Tue Jun 12 08:23:14
"(I wonder how many Millions of Dollars that will save us?)"


How many millions of dollars do you think you will save if you stop funding Apartheid Israel?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Jun 12 08:23:35

Another thing I thought was cool. As they first approached each across the stage they each managed to meet exactly in front of their countries flag.

That had to be planned by some underling.


American Democrat
Member
Tue Jun 12 08:24:35
Good job Hot Rod, as you continuously ignore points made.
Paramount
Member
Tue Jun 12 08:27:43
"they each managed to meet exactly in front of their countries flag.

That had to be planned by some underling."



How long do you think it took to plan that?

Wouldn't Trump or Kim be able to stop in front their own flags on their own?

The Sentinel
Member
Tue Jun 12 08:31:06
HR is right. I would ignore comments that pokes holes in my bubble too that is attempting to bring me back to reality as I completely ignore details that refer to that this agreement is no different than that occurred in 1994.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Tue Jun 12 09:27:45
Don't worry, when none of this actually happens, Retard Rod will come up with some ludicrous explanation about how it was actually part of Trump's master plan all along...
Paramount
Member
Tue Jun 12 09:38:45
With all the Summit pageantry, please remember:

http://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1006372238965268482
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Jun 12 09:50:10

What good ppoints>

Do you mean paramounted's nonsense?



tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 12 10:55:55
here's the actual vague agreement signed:

http://www...public-korea-singapore-summit/
delude
Member
Tue Jun 12 11:09:53
I've seen this movie before;

http://www...-bill-clinton-agreed-framework
delude
Member
Tue Jun 12 11:11:27
more on it;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreed_Framework


Notice how republicans said this was an appeasement. lol
delude
Member
Tue Jun 12 11:13:15
And what is really hilarious, some of you idiots, specifically mtardo, hot rod and all act like this is something new.
Dukhat
Member
Tue Jun 12 11:13:21
It's amazing how you can basically almost arrive at the right conclusion if you believe the things opposite to what Hot Rod believes.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 12 11:25:01
Trump defending Kim like he does w/ Putin:

"I think he liked me and I like him and I understand the past, nobody has to tell me he’s a rough guy. He has to be a rough guy or he has been a rough person,” Trump told Van Susteren. “But we got along very well. He’s smart, loves his people, he loves his country.”

“But he’s starved them,” Van Susteren asserted, “He’s been brutal to them. He still loves his people?”

“Look, he’s doing what he’s seen done, if you look at it,” he said. “But, I really have to go by today and by yesterday and by a couple of weeks ago because that’s really when this whole thing started.”

http://tal...ewire/trump-defends-kim-regime
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Jun 12 13:53:15

deluded - And what is really hilarious, some of you idiots, specifically mtardo, hot rod and all act like this is something new.


OK. Just one question.

Since this is old news, please tell me which previous president put severe sanctions on NOKO and said they would keep them there until NOKO got rid of their nukes.

Now, there were only three presidents before Trump that was in office while NOKO was building their nukes. So it should be really simple.


Clinton, Bush 43, or Obama?


Which one?

delude
Member
Tue Jun 12 14:48:36
I will do you one better. What does this have to do with anything since what Trump and Kim agreed upon was virtually shit that mimics or is similar to past agreements and NK still continued to make or work on a nuclear program? How is this any different? Because Trump says he "believes" Kim? Or that he knows how to "feel a person" or that "This is what I do" as some keen insight to what the outcome of the future would be?

Looks like you failed history, ignoring what other people have been pointed out. Posters here, experts in the field and world affairs. In fact it does not take a scholar to deduce what will most likely will happen. Bunch of empty rhetoric; "we will work towards" which ironically is the same language used in past agreements with NK. Trump will ease sanctions while congress and senate will say they disagree with the approach until something substantiated. But no Trump will ignore it. Do it. Then NK will repeat and continuously work on their program, while at first welcome the IAEA, then turn them away.

If this happens, you should kill yourself because all this was is that history had repeated itself and Trump fell for it just like the previous other administrations.
delude
Member
Tue Jun 12 14:51:13
And Congrats, you still remain a fucking moron in 14 administrations. 15 would be ideal, but not looking that good for ya.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Jun 12 15:17:57

deluded - How is this any different?


You might try reading my post.

"...please tell me which previous president put *****severe sanctions on NOKO***** and said they would keep them there until NOKO got rid of their nukes*****."


And congrats to you for not being able to read a simple sentence in English.

Perhaps you should join pedo woo in the remedial ESL program.




Here is a clue, none of them.

Wait and see.

Trump will indeed keep the sanctions on until Kim has made substantial progress.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 12 15:21:02
they are buds now, he will try to end sanctions just like w/ Putin
delude
Member
Tue Jun 12 16:24:29
""...please tell me which previous president put *****severe sanctions on NOKO***** and said they would keep them there until NOKO got rid of their nukes*****." "

You should try history. It does wonders for the brain. In fact, I know you're too god damn lazy to do it since you beg other people to do it for you. But now, I want you to be proactive and research each administration you mentioned and what sanctions have been placed on them. Or are you still in fantasy land thinking that previous administrations did not place sanctions on them?

"Trump will indeed keep the sanctions on until Kim has made substantial progress. "

Just like previous administrations. Do some researching, Mr. 8th Grade Education.
patom
Member
Tue Jun 12 16:25:42
I wonder if the Twitterman will institute a new G-4 of the USA, China, Russia.

This is quite a whirlwind year since the Inauguration. First any news coming from CNN, or any news source other than Fox and the National Enquirer is not to be trusted as it's all false.
Second, all previous treaties seem to be on their way out the door. We don't have to honor them because the Twitterman says so.
It seems that any of our previous allies that have fought along side us in previous wars are now suspect and no longer our allies and trading partners.
We are now supposed to be best buddies with our new allies Russia, China, N. Korea. Those wonderful freedom loving regimes.
If they are good enough for the Twitterman, then you better believe that they are good enough for you.
Because............MAGA
delude
Member
Tue Jun 12 16:26:44
Here is a head start retard,pedophile rapes children rod,

Most recent (and not only one)

"In February 2016, President Barack Obama enacted the North Korea Sanctions and Policy Enhancement Act of 2016 (H.R. 757Pub.L. 114–122), which passed the House of Representatives and the Senate with nearly unanimous support."
American Democrat
Member
Tue Jun 12 16:31:29
Hot Rod displays and amazing lack of cognizance or cognitive ability to do any research or really support his opinions that he believes are facts. This has been posted before by a few posters I think. I know that I have posted it before.

But it does bring to light the history to which is being spoke of and the similarities of repetition.

http://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/dprkchron


"""...please tell me which previous president put *****severe sanctions on NOKO***** and said they would keep them there until NOKO got rid of their nukes*****." " "

Hot Rod, I've answered this. But you ignored it. Stop repeating questions that have already been answered and read what is actually written and stop being obtuse. I am quite aware that you hate reading anything that counters your views, but that is life.
delude
Member
Tue Jun 12 16:33:24
AD, he ignores it because it is as exactly as you've said. It pokes holes in his imaginary world and refuses to be objective as he drinks the bathwater of Trump.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Jun 12 16:44:12

None of the three never, ever put severe sanctions on North Korea.

Not ever.

P E R I O D.


Learn to read for God's sake.

murder
Member
Tue Jun 12 16:49:37

"murder/American Democrat, at this point the President has given up absolutely nothing."

That's not so. Trump has just told the world that in the face of nuclear threats, we will abandon our allies and ship our troops home.

American Democrat
Member
Tue Jun 12 16:50:39
You're being subjective. Your arguement does not hold water. You must be able to provide the criterion for 'severity.'
Delude
Member
Tue Jun 12 16:52:38
"Learn to read for God's sake"

Hmm. I think you should repeat that to yourself in the mirror.

Also what murder and AD said.
Cold Rod
Member
Tue Jun 12 17:02:09
Oh noes! Hot rod is getting mad because trump has repeated history. Lol
Cold Rod
Member
Tue Jun 12 17:12:03
"Policy enhancement"

"But there weren't severe!" -hot rod

It's like do you consider your words and thoughts before posting? LOL
Cold Rod
Member
Tue Jun 12 17:12:35
They*
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Jun 12 18:11:31

Liberals are all alike.

You are brave as long as you are protected by your lies.

But when faced with the truth you pee your pants and cry for momma.

You make me sick.


-30-

delude
Member
Tue Jun 12 18:44:14
Is that you conceding? Yeah that's you conceding. GG.
American Democrat
Member
Tue Jun 12 19:01:01
Hot Rod, please provide the criterion for 'severity?' I imagine, along with others, your thought process of the gauge you used.
American Democrat
Member
Tue Jun 12 19:04:46
Whoops. I am curious about your thought process.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Jun 12 20:35:05

No you stupid ass.

None of those presidents have even talked to a North Korean leader on the phone.

I give you a ***FACT*** and you turn it into a lie by reversing it and then you have the pathetic stupidity to expect me to believe.

I almost feel sorry for you people.


Almost.



Why don't you look up what severity means since you don't know? You can start by looking up how much of their trade has been cut off by all countries including China and Russia.

Idiots.

American Democrat
Member
Tue Jun 12 20:41:56
I think you have hard time understanding subjectivity. You may need to go look that up to understand the hollow argument you are trying to make.

Nonetheless, what you stated is false and in fact what I've stated and included in a link provide counters your claim.

You are free to ignore it all you want. But quit playing that you are providing facts and making claims as they are disproven are countered.

Feel free to continue this, I have time.
Cold Rod
Member
Tue Jun 12 20:42:54
Hot Rod is getting so mad. What's the matter Hot Rod?
American Democrat
Member
Tue Jun 12 20:48:23
"ou can start by looking up how much of their trade has been cut off by all countries including China and Russia."

Also precisely my point. There have been multitude of sanctions placed on North Korea. By EU, UN, various of countries including use that started back in the 1980s. Again, source has been provided.

You are wanting to subjectively argue severity. Again, that is opinion based from your perspective and since you introduced this as part of your argument. Then what is the criteria for it. Or are you having a hard time grasping what criteria is as the basis for your claim of 'severity.'

Thus far you have been unable to do that. Either because you don't understand words, or that you are too emotionally charged to think of a rational explanation. Either or, I await your thought process as to why sanctions placed since the 1980s are not as 'severe' as the ones currently in placed?

As pointed out there was an enhance policy of sanctions placed when Obama was president. That indicates that it was a higher level of sanctions.

So go ahead...do your best because this is pretty pathetic even by your own standards.


American Democrat
Member
Tue Jun 12 20:49:13
*including the US that started.

Cold Rod
Member
Tue Jun 12 20:50:48
"I almost feel sorry for you people. "

LOL I would venture people feel sorry for you to keep hounding a lame dog, but holy shit man. You in this thread....really is showing how reeaaaally fucking dumb you are.
American Democrat
Member
Tue Jun 12 20:57:25
Another element to add. Feel free to count with your "FACT."

Compared with Trump, previous presidents extracted more concessions from N. Korea, experts say

When President Bill Clinton struck a landmark deal with North Korea in 1994, the isolated nation agreed to take a variety of specific steps that included freezing and later dismantling its nuclear program, as well as opening its facilities to international inspectors.

When President George W. Bush forged a deal in 2005, North Korea promised to abandon all of its nuclear weapons programs and return to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

On Tuesday, when President Trump unveiled his agreement, he excoriated past presidents for failing to make the issue a “priority” and hailed his own document as “very, very comprehensive.”

But scholars say the joint statement signed by Trump and Kim Jong Un reduces North Korea’s commitments to just one sentence: a pledge to “work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.”

“It is the most watered-down joint statement concerning these two nations ever,” said Sung-Yoon Lee, a North Korea expert at Tufts University.

http://www...say/ar-AAyyGsE?ocid=spartanntp
Cold Rod
Member
Tue Jun 12 21:03:53
ROFL!

"Critics of the joint statement say the United States walked into a trap that will spell the end of the “maximum pressure” campaign designed to isolate and extract concessions from Pyongyang.

“It’s a victory for North Korea, in having initiated an open-ended, drawn-out negotiation process that ensnares the U.S. into not enforcing sanctions,” said Lee.

But Lee said the brittleness of the agreement might make it easy for Trump to abandon.
“This hollow, nonbinding joint statement allows Trump to walk away from it, because there’s nothing to walk away from,” said Lee. “The question is, will Trump have the fortitude to admit he was duped?”

Uh oh Trumptards about to have a breakdown.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 13 00:44:53
1993
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfeO5ouUEAAQyMy.jpg
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 13 00:49:39
...if Melania had come along the text may have matched exactly
Seb
Member
Wed Jun 13 01:43:25
Wow. Just been catching up on the summit.

Seems like Donald rolled over.

Kim gets diplomatic recognition, reduction in us military presence, in exchange for vague commitment to give up weapons.

Given all nuclear powers in the NPT have given this pledge, the US not only recognised north Korea, it's recognised it as a nuclear power.

At least Donald didn't make north Korea a permanent member of the unsc.
delude
Member
Wed Jun 13 05:22:10
"Liberals are all alike.

You are brave as long as you are protected by your lies.

But when faced with the truth you pee your pants and cry for momma.

You make me sick.?

No you stupid ass.

None of those presidents have even talked to a North Korean leader on the phone.

I give you a ***FACT*** and you turn it into a lie by reversing it and then you have the pathetic stupidity to expect me to believe. ?

1. Since you're a pedophile, you're already sick

2. from TW's post and then comparisons through the years.

**1993: June 11th

1)Assurance against the threat and the use of force, including nuclear weapons

2)Peace and Security in a nuclear-free Korean Peninsula, including impartial application of full-scope safeguards, mutual respect for each other’s sovereignty, and non-interference in each other’s internal affairs

3)Support for the peaceful reunification of Korea

**1994: Agreed Framework Joint statement

The United States and North Korea committed to move toward normalizing economic and political relations, including by reducing barriers to investment, opening liaison offices, and ultimately exchanging ambassadors.

Both sides commit not to nuclearize the Korean Peninsula. The United States must "provide formal assurances" not to threaten or use nuclear weapons against North Korea. Pyongyang is required to "consistently take steps" to implement the 1992 North-South Joint Declaration on the Denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

**2000:

Joint Communique

Building on the principles laid out in the June 11, 1993 U.S.-D.P.R.K. Joint Statement and reaffirmed in the October 21, 1994 Agreed Framework, the two sides agreed to work to remove mistrust, build mutual confidence, and maintain an atmosphere in which they can deal constructively with issues of central concern. In this regard, the two sides reaffirmed that their relations should be based on the principles of respect for each other's sovereignty and non-interference in each other's internal affairs, and noted the value of regular diplomatic contacts, bilaterally and in broader fora.
The two sides agreed to work together to develop mutually beneficial economic cooperation and exchanges. To explore the possibilities for trade and commerce that will benefit the peoples of both countries and contribute to an environment conducive to greater economic cooperation throughout Northeast Asia, the two sides discussed an exchange of visits by economic and trade experts at an early date.
The two sides agreed that resolution of the missile issue would make an essential contribution to a fundamentally improved relationship between them and to peace and security in the Asia-Pacific region. To further the efforts to build new relations, the D.P.R.K. informed the U.S. that it will not launch long-range missiles of any kind while talks on the missile issue continue.
Pledging to redouble their commitment and their efforts to fulfill their respective obligations in their entirety under the Agreed Framework, the US and the D.P.R.K. strongly affirmed its importance to achieving peace and security on a nuclear weapons free Korean Peninsula. To this end, the two sides agreed on the desirability of greater transparency in carrying out their respective obligations under the Agreed Framework. In this regard, they noted the value of the access which removed U.S. concerns about the underground site at Kumchang-ri.
The two sides noted that in recent years they have begun to work cooperatively in areas of common humanitarian concern. The D.P.R.K. side expressed appreciation for significant U.S. contributions to its humanitarian needs in areas of food and medical assistance. The U.S. side expressed appreciation for D.P.R.K. cooperation in recovering the remains of U.S. servicemen still missing from the Korean War, and both sides agreed to work for rapid progress for the fullest possible accounting. The two sides will continue to meet to discuss these and other humanitarian issues.
As set forth in their Joint Statement of October 6, 2000, the two sides agreed to support and encourage international efforts against terrorism.

http://199...ap/001012_usdprk_jointcom.html

**2003

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/agreedframework

**2005

https://www.wired.com/story/north-korea-summit-denuclearize-history/

**2007

https://www.wired.com/story/north-korea-summit-denuclearize-history/

**2012

https://www.wired.com/story/north-korea-summit-denuclearize-history/

*skip some years to present and compare language used from 1993 and now*

2018 version:

The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity.

The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.

Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.
The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.

/2018


Great new grounds eh, Hot Rod? Oh it's different now because Trump met with him as it has been our policy not legitimize a government that is on the Terrorist list. Oh wait, Obama talked with Cuba and Iran, fucking meltdown Obama betrayed America.


They you're dumb hypocritical and contradicting ass in your scooter down a flight of stairs and do us all a favor. And if you should ever happened to do it, know that I will not lose sleep over it.


"you make me sick." Rod, people like you who exist in this world with things you've said here over the years. Should die. We can only hope you did not procreate.

delude
Member
Wed Jun 13 05:23:59
*Hey take your dumb...."
UP Archivist
Member
Wed Jun 13 09:45:20
*archived*
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 13 10:50:12
"
There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea
"
~our idiot child prez
murder
Member
Wed Jun 13 11:01:03
This is Trump's style. He really doesn't give a shit about the outcome, he just wants to claim that it was a success.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 13 11:15:00
he also tweeted:

"Before taking office people were assuming that we were going to War with North Korea. President Obama said that North Korea was our biggest and most dangerous problem. No longer - sleep well tonight!"

i don't recall anyone assuming we were going to war (before Trump said that war was only option)... if that had been assumption, it would've dominated debates

why does anyone stand for this idiot liar as our president?
Delude
Member
Wed Jun 13 14:11:07
Take a good look at his defenders and followers. Then recall the movie idiocracy.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 13 14:17:12
Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho was less concerned about his personal image than Trump... Trump is willing to smear anyone & anything for his own ego
(intel agencies, courts, judges, justice dept, any media not praising him, any politicians not agreeing with him, etc)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 13 15:23:30
"The reason great dealmakers do not OPENLY celebrate a deal, especially one that is not complete, is that it shows weakness to the other side"
~ Donald J. Trump (2013)

http://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/404926289569939456
Cold Rod
Member
Wed Jun 13 20:40:12
Lol Hot Rod ran away
jergul
large member
Thu Jun 14 03:01:51
If NK is no longer a nuclear threat, then why does it have to disarm ahead of other nuclear powers?

There is no end to the mistakes trump makes.
American Democrat
Member
Thu Jun 14 05:09:39
Well now Trump is apparently pledging to end sanctions.

It appears that history is repeating itself, the only difference? Trump legitimized the regime versus other administrations. A strong criticism that always has been a factor for the previous Presidents.
jergul
large member
Thu Jun 14 05:39:34
My point was that he has done more than so - he has legitimized NK having a nuclear arsenal.

If it is no longer a nuclear threat, then what is all the huffah about?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Jun 14 06:24:51

The details, jergul. The details.

American Democrat
Member
Thu Jun 14 06:35:57
Anytime you want to debate my points, Hot Rod. Waiting on you to provide your criteria.
American Democrat
Member
Thu Jun 14 06:58:42
What are the details?
jergul
large member
Thu Jun 14 08:22:37
HR
What details? NK has nukes like many others and is no longer a nuclear threat according to Trump.

This fundamentally undermines the logic of the sanction regime.
Delude
Member
Thu Jun 14 09:42:11
Oh look HR being HR.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Jun 14 10:08:01

jergul - What details?

"The details" consist of making every single one of their nukes and missiles public and dismantling/destroying them where they are no longer functional.

Plus the equipment and data on how to build the stuff.

Wrath of Orion
Member
Thu Jun 14 10:10:18
lmfao
Delude
Member
Thu Jun 14 10:12:55
Lmfao too. HR you are truly fucking pathetic.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Jun 14 10:13:25

ad, I have no more desire to argue with you than I do with certain others that are lying about who they are sans their current multi.

American Democrat
Member
Thu Jun 14 10:15:00
Hot Rod, I am going to presume you've learned your lesson. Due to your avoidance. I will accept that as your concession.
Delude
Member
Thu Jun 14 10:17:30
Yep, HR being HR. Hit with facts. Can't defend them. Claim you're a multi, while ignore content provided that completely destroys the narrative. And he wonders why till this day he is constantly ridiculed.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Jun 14 10:17:47

I have learned that you have decided to never, ever acknowledge the truth.


-30-

American Democrat
Member
Thu Jun 14 10:20:30
I figured it would end this way. It's too predictable. I was only merely offering an opportunity to state your case. There was no substance to what you were saying anyways. Your main argument was subjective based on the totality of the circumstances.
American Democrat
Member
Thu Jun 14 10:21:32
Enlighten on this very topic Hot Rod what the "truth" is?
Delude
Member
Thu Jun 14 10:22:59
I have learned that I have decided to never, ever acknowledge the truth. -hot rod

Fixed*
Cold Rod
Member
Thu Jun 14 10:51:05
Oooh tucker you beat me to it!
Cold Rod
Member
Thu Jun 14 10:51:12
Fucker*
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Jun 14 11:40:08
^^^^^ is on a slow boat to China.
Cold Rod
Member
Thu Jun 14 12:12:29
^always first suspect in amber alerts.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Jun 14 12:25:00

Good one. :)

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