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superdude
Member
Sun Jun 17 19:33:31
Hilary Clinton and her click

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5797694796001/?#sp=show-clips
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jun 17 20:14:15
it found nothing improper done in reaching the conclusion so there's actually nothing bad about Hillary at all

feel free to explain your nonsense
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Jun 17 20:28:28


It should not be necessary.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jun 17 20:58:36
yes it should, having actual reasoning for claims is normal and expected

I see Strzok, Comey & Lynch noted in that video... Lynch was bypassed so no role at all, and the only way Strzok or Comey actions could reflect bad on Hillary was if they corruptly altered the conclusions of the investigation which the report specifically says did not happen
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jun 17 21:02:49
and for any idiots buying the claim that this report exonerates Trump (as the disgusting bag of shit claims), Mueller could have fifty pee tapes and phone records of Trump colluding with Putin daily and this report would say nothing about it therefore CLEARLY it can NOT exonerate Trump nor his criminal associates
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Jun 17 21:50:43

The conclusion of Comey's little speech about her was not only altered it was written six months before the FBI even questioned her.


Why do you believe everything the lying press tells you?


Nevermind.


-30-

Forwyn
Member
Sun Jun 17 22:09:27
Hillary clique gets away with destruction of evidence, contempt of court, lying to investigators, reckless handling, etc etc...I doubt anything will bring them down at this point, aside from a rogue bullet.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jun 17 22:10:35
they already know all the answers to questions before interviewing the final person

which is why all Trump fans are deathly afraid of Trump testifying as there is a 100% chance of perjury given his inability to tell the truth

i'm still waiting for what in the IG report is damning of Hillary
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jun 17 22:19:08
also (even though the IG report specifically says it found no political bias in actions)... you seem to be suggesting Comey was corruptly PRO-Hillary which is ridiculous

he would NEVER have noted the reopening of investigation if so (that was against procedure, and obviously only hurt her)... this is inarguable
Forwyn
Member
Sun Jun 17 22:19:59
"they already know all the answers to questions before interviewing the final person"

Typically true, so it's curious why Hillary clique members weren't charged when caught in multiple lies - given immunity but resulted in no charges anyway.

I imagine the same leniency won't be shown to Trump and campaign members, given that status quo lobbying is now being strictly enforced with felony charges.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Jun 17 22:22:13

Forwyn, I believe that our Good President will soon install Rudy Guiliani as our next A/G and turn him loose.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Jun 17 22:24:06

tw - also (even though the IG report specifically says it found no political bias in actions)... you seem to be suggesting Comey was corruptly PRO-Hillary which is ridiculous


That little report was worked over and changed religiously.

Dukhat
Member
Sun Jun 17 22:24:53
@Forwyn - You really think all the Republicans in the justice department and FBI wouldn't go after Hillary if they had any dirt on her?

*rolls eyes*

Conspiracy theory much. And yes, they are mostly Republicans as they are mainly conservative men who chose a life in law enforcement and often have histories in the military. Like Mueller who was probably the most respected Republican in America on both sides of the aisle until he decided to act as an impartial investigator instead of a partisan stooge.
Forwyn
Member
Sun Jun 17 22:31:48
You really think most people who lie to investigators get offers of immunity?

Look to the list of Trump associates who got shitcanned for exactly that.

Now look at Combetta and Pagliano.

*rolls eyes*
Dukhat
Member
Sun Jun 17 23:02:21
You don't know shit about investigations. Just trying to fit the facts in the square hole of a one-track mind you have no matter what.

Whatever.
Forwyn
Member
Sun Jun 17 23:10:57
I'd ask you to enlighten us, but we're talking about Cuckhat, here.

Clearly remarking on disparity of punishments for equivalent crimes requires a Strzok-level knowledge of investigatory proceedings.
Dukhat
Member
Mon Jun 18 01:07:23
The Trump investigations has many indictments for high level crimes for one while the Clinton investigation has nothing. A reasonable person would see that the immunities given have gone to the lieutenants in order to go after the masterminds.


But everything is partisan. Everything is deep state. Dumb white guys are just the victims here. BOO HOO.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Jun 18 03:44:48

Incredible. Simply incredible.

hood
Member
Mon Jun 18 07:28:51
"waaaaaah, Trump's goons are actually being charged," people whine, not remembering they're talking about someone now in jail for witness tampering.

Are we still getting a fucking boner because Clinton claimed to not remember 50 emails, most of them improperly marked, out of the tens of thousands that she received that were classified? That's reasonable. Witness tampering is not reasonable. You're very highly likely guilty if you're trying to tamper with evidence.
Forwyn
Member
Mon Jun 18 10:00:30
"many indictments for high level crimes"

The most common of them is lying to investigators.

"A reasonable person would see that the immunities given have gone to the lieutenants in order to go after the masterminds."

True. So it's weird to see more than one person given immunity and then nothing happens.
Forwyn
Member
Mon Jun 18 10:07:51
"claimed to not remember 50 emails, most of them improperly marked, out of the tens of thousands that she received that were classified?"

Indeed, only a handful contained markings that were ignored. Over one hundred contained classified information. Several hundred more contained information fresh enough that it hadn't even skimmed the OCA, so it was retroactively classified.

Which is kind of the point, when you're running a private server you're not abiding by programs of oversight and transparency that would prevent classification errors.

"You're very highly likely guilty if you're trying to tamper with evidence."

I agree. So it's weird that we give immunity to a guy who used BleachBit to purge a server in defiance of a subpoena, even though he and his pal Pagliano were caught in multiple lies during questioning.
hood
Member
Mon Jun 18 10:33:31
And they were guilty... Of running a private server. No idea on the details of lying.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jun 18 10:40:14
it was IT people given immunity, not exactly 'lieutenants'... & giving immunity so they can't take the 5th so they can get the truth about Hillary seems like what Hillary haters would want... too bad there turned out to be no damning info about Hillary's motivations

i doubt Trump would be sitting easy if people around him started getting immunity

plus we don't know what all the charges could have been for Trump goons, as the whole point of plea deals is lighter charges... and Mueller is not done yet, any big fish still to come (which could still include immunities or more plea deals for info)
Forwyn
Member
Mon Jun 18 10:44:27
And it was cleared at the top (Obama proven to have lied as well), so it's not surprising that immunity was doled out.

"An unnamed FBI agent on the case responded to a fellow FBI agent who asked how an interview went with a witness who worked with the Clintons at their Chappaqua residence: “Awesome. Lied his a-- off. Went from never inside the scif (sensitive compartmented information facility) at res (residence), to looked in when it was being constructed, to removed the trash twice, to troubleshot the secure fax with HRC a couple times, to every time there was a secure fax i did it with HRC. Ridic.” When his colleague replied that “would be funny if he was the only guy charged n this deal,” he replied, “aint noone gonna do s--t” as far as filing charges."

http://www...ails-secrecy-column/704890002/
Forwyn
Member
Mon Jun 18 10:45:35
"it was IT people given immunity, not exactly 'lieutenants'"

Who gives a shit, shill? Computer techs are pretty pivotal for digital crimes.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jun 18 11:03:48
it suggests they got maximum info on potential Hillary misdeeds, doubtful people would risk perjury after getting immunity... but even on the odd chance they would lie after immunity, then they obviously also would've lied without immunity, thus, maximum info gotten this path

and yet no criminal case to be made against Hillary... as reaffirmed by IG
Forwyn
Member
Mon Jun 18 11:14:31
Hillary clique lies multiple times, get immunity.

Pada lies, gets charged with lying.

Look, I'm perfectly happy with the whole lot going to a cage, re: your Trump rant, Mueller not done yet, yadda yadda, but stop pretending that there was no disparity.

"no criminal case to be made against Hillary..."

Yeah, made harder by what you can reassemble after contempt of court purge of evidence.

Obama records being purged as well, so that helps
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jun 18 11:22:00
i suspect Papadopolous did a lot more than lying

his plea deal was just the lying
hood
Member
Mon Jun 18 11:54:18
Since when did we care about records being purged?

If we're gonna whatabout, need you be reminded of Bush emails?

http://en...._White_House_email_controversy
Delude
Member
Mon Jun 18 12:06:03
Whataboutism is convenient when there is any criticism of Trump.
Forwyn
Member
Mon Jun 18 12:07:35
I agree, GWB issue should not have been relegated to private lawsuits. Criminal charges for collusion with RNC to subvert federal law abound, in a just world.

But Obama covered for them, as most career politicians do. Same gang.

Washington, D.C. – Today, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) and the National Security Archive (NSA) reached a final settlement of their long-running lawsuits challenging the failure of the Bush White House and the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) to take any action after confronted with evidence that millions of emails had gone missing from Bush White House servers over a two and one-half year period. The lawsuits followed CREW’s revelation in April 2008 that the White House had discovered the problem in the fall of 2005. Nevertheless, the Bush White House failed to recover or restore the missing emails and knowingly continued to use a broken system for preserving electronic records.

http://www...ssing-bush-white-house-emails/
hood
Member
Mon Jun 18 12:48:10
Obama settled the lawsuits by restoring emails (apparently Republicans weren't competent enough to fully delete them?). There's no mention of what might have happened via FBI/Justice department or that Obama was involved in such proceedings.

Nice try.
Forwyn
Member
Mon Jun 18 13:41:35
Obama admin settled the lawsuit, set aside plenty for withholding from FOIA for 5-10 years, and didn't prosecute offenders.

But sure, if he wasn't personally sitting in on the mediation, he wasn't involved.

Nice try.
Forwyn
Member
Mon Jun 18 13:42:02
Likewise, so long as Trump wasn't sitting in on Pada and Manafort illicit dealings, he wasn't involved.

kek
hood
Member
Mon Jun 18 14:25:23
"Likewise, so long as Trump wasn't sitting in on Pada and Manafort illicit dealings, he wasn't involved."

I don't think anyone has suggested otherwise. That's why all of Trump's proclamations are retarded. So far, nothing has come out in relation to his guilt or innocence in relation to Russia.


"But sure, if he wasn't personally sitting in on the mediation, he wasn't involved."

Do we want presidents to use the FBI as a political weapon, as you seem to be proposing here (Obama initiating an investigation of Bush)? Or would you prefer that those agencies act autonomously? I generally prefer that they act on their own with appropriate oversight. As such, it'd be illogical to hold Obama accountable for the actions of the Justice Dept or the FBI in deciding not to prosecute.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Tue Jun 19 08:38:20
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