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swordtail Anarchist Prime	Mon Jun 18 12:16:05 Trump Orders Pentagon To "Immediately Establish A Space Force" by Tyler Durden Mon, 06/18/2018 - 13:02 During a press conference Monday, Donald Trump announced that, as he hinted previously, he's ordering the Pentagon to "immediately" establish a "space force" as an independent service branch. That's right: Today might be the day that future generations look back on as the anniversary of the creation of the legendary US Space Force, guardians of intergalactic order. Trump said "we must have American dominance in space. Very importantly, I am hereby directing the Department of Defense and Pentagon to immediately begin the process necessary to establish a Space Force as the Sixth Branch of the Armed Forces." ABC News ✔ @ABC Pres. Trump calls for establishment of a "space force as the sixth branch of the armed forces." "When it comes to defending America, it is not enough to merely have an American presence in space. We must have American dominance in space." http://abcn.ws/2hFejwL 12:55 PM - Jun 18, 2018 The force will allow the US to become "the leader by far" in space as it looks to revive the space program, which once fascinated a generation of Americans. Trump also vowed to return the US to the moon, and to reach Mars roughly around the time Elon Musk is applying for a non-extradition permits. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-18/trump-orders-pentagon-create-us-space-force
Aeros Member	Mon Jun 18 12:41:52 Will we get to have Space Marines? This is very important.
Seb Member	Mon Jun 18 12:53:27 Oh well, there goes the outer space treaty. Better hope China doesn't end up with more industrial capacity than you guys.
Rugian Member	Mon Jun 18 12:53:59 Who needs ground forces when you can simply nuke an enemy from orbit? I fully support the President's far-sighted policy here.
Rugian Member	Mon Jun 18 12:56:19 "Better hope China doesn't end up with more industrial capacity than you guys." What do you think the steel tariffs are for?
Paramount Member	Mon Jun 18 13:06:29 The world is going to boycott the USA. The Canadians are already doing it: ”OTTAWA (Reuters) - Seventy percent of Canadians say they will start looking for ways to avoid buying U.S.-made goods in a threat to ratchet up a trade dispute between Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and U.S. President Donald Trump, an Ipsos Poll showed on Friday.” ...and they got the support from the majority of the americans: ”The poll also found a majority of Americans and Canadians are united in support of Trudeau and opposition to Trump” http://www...d-u-s-goods-poll-idUSKBN1JB2X7 The rest of the world will soon follow. Europe and China arw gonna boycott USA too. I have already stopped buying Coca Cola and american jeans. I drink water for healthier teeth instead, and I buy Swedish jeans instead. Owned! And I will think twice before buying another Apple product. LOL!
hood Member	Mon Jun 18 13:10:14 "And I will think twice before buying another Apple product. LOL!" And then you'll buy it anyway.
Paramount Member	Mon Jun 18 13:13:30 Not as long as Trump is president. When the democrats are elected or when the republicans comes to their senses – only then will I buy a new Apple product.
Delude Member	Mon Jun 18 13:13:48 http://youtu.be/-_7FaWnlhS4
Daemon Member	Mon Jun 18 13:14:30 From now on I will boycott the English language and speak nur noch Deutsch. Ist mir doch scheißegal, wenn ihr mich nicht versteht. Fickt euch ins Knie ihr scheiß Amerikaner, erstickt an meinen Umlauten ÄÖÜ!!!!! Though I will continue to speak English for the non-Americans of this forum.
hood Member	Mon Jun 18 13:22:41 ^ just mad we're about to get kick space Nazis off of the Moon.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Mon Jun 18 13:23:45 Don't be stupid. Not a single Apple employee voted Trump, but if you boycott and they lose there job they will join the ranks of the small penis alpha male losers that vote for Trump.
Aeros Member	Mon Jun 18 13:31:06 As all trumps statements, this claim is pretty low on details. I would like to know more.
Paramount Member	Mon Jun 18 13:31:46 Well, if it is safe to buy from Apple then I might consider it. I need to upgrade my iPad. This one is the iPad Air from 2013.
Delude Member	Mon Jun 18 13:31:53 I'm doing my part.
Rugian Member	Mon Jun 18 13:35:49 Perhaps we can kill two birds with one stone here. Any illegal immigrant who joins the Space Force should automatically be allowed to stay in this country permanently. Service guarantees citizenship.
Delude Member	Mon Jun 18 13:47:22 They tried that. They still deported.
McKobb Member	Mon Jun 18 13:58:08 Now his russian masters are just trolling him
hood Member	Mon Jun 18 14:02:26 http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G7MDrUG4cws This was in the side scrawl of related YouTube videos from the starship troopers video.
murder Member	Mon Jun 18 14:05:22 I wonder how many space cadets can hitchhike their way into orbit?
Seb Member	Mon Jun 18 14:10:25 Rugian: Steel tariffs Undermine US industrial capacity > increase costs of things made with steel = reduced capacity.
hood Member	Mon Jun 18 16:32:31 Apparently this was just Trump's idea of improvising: http://ars...l-meeting-by-going-off-script/ So I give it a 5% chance of actually happening.
murder Member	Mon Jun 18 20:11:22 Trump had brought this up before. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhPBbSkXwQo At least twice and maybe more. I would love to know wtf he thinks the "space force" is going to do exactly aside from what is already done.
murder Member	Mon Jun 18 20:12:39 On the plus side, Trump insisted that the new "force" will be separate but equal, so we know that they will have their own bathrooms and drinking fountains and such. ;o)
Aeros Member	Mon Jun 18 21:07:01 A Space Corps within the Air Force akin to the Marine Corps in the navy would be a better fit. Space is after all a very different theater, and some degree of institutional specialization is going to be necessary. Especially if we get into a great power conflict. Not inconceivable we would need to send armed soldiers up there to protect the Sattelite network or attack an enemies array. Right now that job is for surface based missiles but in the coming decades the whole mess will get far more complex. Then there is the simple expediency of developing technologies to expand our lift and transport capacity in orbit.
Forwyn Member	Mon Jun 18 21:29:49 Aeros is correct. Covers multiple bases: ground (orbital drop ships, much faster than a C-130), orbital defense (machinated for now, perhaps that changes in the coming decades with possible colonies?), and outer space proper. As technology develops, the "Space Core" can become a force of its own.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Jun 18 21:52:57 We are going to need a force like that sooner or later. Why not now. Another factor to consider. Just look at what The Space Race did for technology.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Jun 18 21:54:27 BTW, did you know they ran the Moon Lander with a Commodore computer? It seems I read that somewhere.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jun 18 21:54:34 "Why not now" we need as few historical links to this idiot child president as possible
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Jun 18 22:03:35 What? Do you want China or some other possible enemy to set up their nukes directly above The United States and/or your country with no one to oppose them? Do you realize how much warning that would give us? Not much.
murder Member	Mon Jun 18 22:09:55 "Not inconceivable we would need to send armed soldiers up there to protect the Sattelite network or attack an enemies array." lol! Come on Aeros! That's science fiction. You really think that there will ever be guys in space suits and jet packs zooming around attacking each other? :o)
murder Member	Mon Jun 18 22:12:05 "BTW, did you know they ran the Moon Lander with a Commodore computer? It seems I read that somewhere." Maybe the video game. :o)
Aeros Member	Mon Jun 18 22:27:48 No, but a few guys in jet packs with a orbital shuttle attacking the GPS network could absolutely be a thing.
murder Member	Mon Jun 18 22:30:31 That will never be a thing. Deploying a human to disable or destroy something in orbit is silly. There are far more efficient ways of doing that.
Aeros Member	Mon Jun 18 22:51:54 All of which subject to error like electronic countermeasures, hacking, and so on. Additionally, a human could in theory interface with an enemy satellite and repurpose it, tell any missiles using it for guidance to miss. Or even attack their own side. It's absurd to dismiss it out of hand.
murder Member	Mon Jun 18 23:10:13 "All of which subject to error like electronic countermeasures, hacking, and so on." And you think your shuttle would be immune? "Additionally, a human could in theory interface with an enemy satellite and repurpose it, tell any missiles using it for guidance to miss. Or even attack their own side. It's absurd to dismiss it out of hand." No, no it's not. We didn't hack Iran's centrifuges by sneaking someone into the facility. There's little as vulnerable as a manned vessel in orbit. There is no circumstance in which it would be viable in any kind of military confrontation.
hood Member	Mon Jun 18 23:23:47 "There's little as vulnerable as a manned vessel in orbit." That is, if you can hit it. A manned vessel with steering capabilities is a difficult target to hit, considering what it takes to launch to orbit. Even a slight change of course would be monumentally difficult for the land attack to correct for. "We didn't hack Iran's centrifuges by sneaking someone into the facility." You assume such a vessel would have hackable interfaces. There's a reason the term "air gap" exists and any vessel in danger of being hacked would simply not have an attack vector for hackers included. Thus, you would need to sneak someone into the facility.
smart dude Member	Mon Jun 18 23:41:24 "BTW, did you know they ran the Moon Lander with a Commodore computer? It seems I read that somewhere." No, you're just a moron. There's a Commodore 64 game titled "Lunar Lander." That's it. Commodore didn't even start making computers until the late 1970s. The Apollo spacecraft ran on IBM computers.
hood Member	Mon Jun 18 23:45:44 What rod probably meant was that the computers used by the lunar lander were equivalent to a commodore 64 in computing power.
smart dude Member	Tue Jun 19 01:12:37 That may be what he "read somewhere," but that's certainly not what he meant in his post.
Average Ameriacn Member	Tue Jun 19 03:19:53 Did you know that we are now fighting for FOURTY YEARS against space invaders? With President Trump we will finally win and end that war.
Seb Member	Tue Jun 19 03:42:03 Hood: Fire and forget missiles. Satellites can't pack much delta v, there is little in the way of clutter. No need for shuttle.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Jun 19 07:11:23 I thought it was indeed a Commodore but bear in mind that was 50 years ago and my memory isn't what it used to be. Or maybe it was the computing power of a Commodore. That was indeed very early in computer development.
hood Member	Tue Jun 19 08:24:08 "Satellites can't pack much delta v, there is little in the way of clutter." We aren't talking satellites here, we're talking manned vehicles to transport people to targets of interest in space. Murder suggested that such a vessel would be easily dealt with. Outside of already-in-orbit defenses, any vulnerability would be in attacks from the surface and if you're putting a strike vehicle in space, you will absolutely need to include propulsion to reach both higher orbits and higher inclinations. I agree that the need for humans in orbital combat is far fetched. That wasn't the argument I was addressing.
Paramount Member	Tue Jun 19 08:55:55 Commodore didn't exist 50 years ago. C64 was released in 1982. Lunar Lander was release for Atari in 1979.
smart dude Member	Tue Jun 19 12:52:08 That's what Rod does. He "hears" something and misunderstands it (or mishears it) and then believes it for decades. His mind is a repository for terrible info. Then he and his shitty generation take this bad information and think they know what's best for the country. LOL. Retards.
McKobb Member	Tue Jun 19 18:38:36 One, two, three, four! We love the Space Corps!
McKobb Member	Tue Jun 19 18:40:37 Btw the Commodore Vic 20 came out in 1980. I had one.
McKobb Member	Tue Jun 19 18:40:37 Btw the Commodore Vic 20 came out in 1980. I had one.
Aeros Member	Tue Jun 19 19:10:58 Another thing we may see in a few years is theft of a satellite. I can easily see Russia stealing a super sekrit U.S. spy satellite. Once that happens we actually will need some form of space marines to go up and follow around Russian and Chinese shuttles to make sure a similar stunt is not pulled. This stuff is well within the realm of existing technology already.
McKobb Member	Tue Jun 19 20:12:34 Orbit War is a simulation of satellite warfare in low Earth orbit. The players are the USA and the APU (Asian-Polish Union). The object is of course to destroy your opponent's satellites and such...
earthpig GTFO HOer	Wed Jun 20 01:59:59 If the MI or USSM existed in 2001, I would not have joined USMC.
murder Member	Wed Jun 20 10:28:05 "Commodore didn't exist 50 years ago." Yes it did. It was founded in 1954. It just didn't start making computers until 1977.
murder Member	Wed Jun 20 10:35:02 "Once that happens we actually will need some form of space marines to go up and follow around Russian and Chinese shuttles to make sure a similar stunt is not pulled." Good god! You don't need dumbasses in space to keep an eye on Russian and Chinese shuttles. "This stuff is well within the realm of existing technology already." That depends on what you mean. Is it possible to kill and be killed in space? Absolutely. Not much easier in this world easier. Of course good luck filling out the ranks when the death rate is 100%.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Wed Jun 20 12:39:40 Space Force (1978) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1495952/
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