Utopia Talk / Politics / To fix the past, we must erase the past

Rugian rank	Sat Jun 30 02:26:23 2018 Association removes Laura Ingalls Wilder’s name from award CHICAGO (AP) — A division of the American Library Association has voted to remove Laura Ingalls Wilder’s name from a major children’s book award over concerns with how the early-to-mid 20th century author portrayed blacks and Native Americans. The Association for Library Service to Children’s board made the unanimous decision Saturday at a meeting in New Orleans. The name has been changed to the Children’s Literature Legacy Award. The association says the work of Wilder — best known for her “Little House on the Prairie” novels — “includes expressions of stereotypical attitudes inconsistent with ALSC’s core values.” The first award was given to Wilder in 1954. The ALSC says Wilder’s work continues to be published and read but her “legacy is complex” and “not universally embraced.” The American Library Association is based in Chicago. http://apnews.com/19112531f7a24c9c8ab43b7968c96a1d
Aeros rank	Sat Jun 30 03:31:06 2018 We have always been at war with eastasia
obaminated rank	Sat Jun 30 03:32:41 2018 Doesnt look like anything to me.
tumbleweed rank	Sat Jun 30 03:34:30 2018 I didn't watch Little House on the Prairie but that family does seem like they would be rampant racists
Rugian rank	Sat Jun 30 03:50:09 2018 "They cannot see the things that will hurt them. I've spared them that." -Some ALA executive, presumably
kargen rank	Sat Jun 30 03:56:45 2018 It is stupid to judge actions in the past by today's standards. They need to be judged according to the standards at the time.
Hot Rod rank	Sat Jun 30 03:58:33 2018 Wasn't Little House on the Prairie in Kansas? When are people going to stop giving in?
Cherub Cow rank	Sat Jun 30 05:22:48 2018 "her “legacy is complex” and “not universally embraced.”" There it is: a great formula for reductive thinking. If not everyone likes it, it must be burned. If complexity becomes too difficult for the lowest common denominators, empower their littleness with the confidence of absolutes. ..And this was another story that I had to Google to see if it was a joke or not.
Im better then you rank	Sat Jun 30 06:40:35 2018 It depends on what they replace it with.
Forwyn rank	Sat Jun 30 08:59:20 2018 "I didn't watch Little House on the Prairie but that family does seem like they would be rampant racists" Because they're...rural and white? Or because they were from the late 1800s, when everyone was racist?
obaminated rank	Sat Jun 30 18:11:51 2018 No one was racist back then forwyn. We all got along. The history books say so.
Hot Rod rank	Sat Jun 30 18:19:49 2018 Wasn't Little House on the Prairie set in Kansas?
obaminated rank	Sat Jun 30 18:22:21 2018 You already posted that but why does it matter where it was set...?
Wrath of Orion rank	Sat Jun 30 20:56:45 2018 Nobody but you gives a shit, Retard Rod.
Forwyn rank	Sun Jul 01 00:15:32 2018 Book-Kansas TV-Minnesota
Hot Rod rank	Sun Jul 01 00:19:15 2018 Because Kansas was a free state. Which really means nothing, I was just curious.
kargen rank	Sun Jul 01 02:37:09 2018 There is a line used as an example of racism in one book that has been quoted. “The only good Indian is a dead Indian.” What they don't include is the following line. “Pa said he didn’t know about that. He figured that Indians would be as peaceable as anybody else if they were left alone.”
Cthulhu rank	Sun Jul 01 16:10:43 2018 Yay for moral luxury! Does the entire planet really run solely on cognitive distortions?
Sam Adams rank	Sun Jul 01 17:26:40 2018 Lol sjws are retarded
murder rank	Mon Jul 02 22:31:05 2018 "To fix the past, we must erase the past" You don't want to fix anything. You want to return to the past.
murder rank	Mon Jul 02 22:33:17 2018 "It is stupid to judge actions in the past by today's standards. They need to be judged according to the standards at the time." So slavery was OK, right kargen?
Paramount rank	Mon Jul 02 22:44:29 2018 "It is stupid to judge actions in the past by today's standards. They need to be judged according to the standards at the time." In the past, it was okay to kill Jews. With all the facts on hand, we can make a judgement. In the past we did not have all the facts. So we can’t judge the past by the past standards.
murder rank	Mon Jul 02 22:57:52 2018 Wait ... what do you mean in the past? :o)
kargen rank	Mon Jul 02 23:48:41 2018 Nope slavery was not okay. Nor was it okay to kill Jews. Still we shouldn't judge people in the past by todays standards. Wilder’s book reflect the views at the time they represent. It is stupid to look at her work and deny it because the views expressed then do not match our views today.
Cthulhu rank	Tue Jul 03 00:48:57 2018 If we are erasing the past, does that mean i'm finally pardoned for the crime of being a white male?
Forwyn rank	Tue Jul 03 02:09:32 2018 You can judge people in the past, just be intelligent about it. We can freely judge Nazis because everyone knew it was wrong then, too. They were tried, convicted, and executed for their crimes. Slavery is a bit more grey, because it was normalized and politicized for generations. It took decades to whittle down the residual dehumanization that served as the foundation of the system. Someone showing just a fraction of that residual racism, almost a century ago, isn't a huge deal. There are still nations worse than 1930s America.
Dukhat rank	Tue Jul 03 02:17:12 2018 1930's America in the North and West maybe. The deep south has been a shithole for most of our history and still today is Trump's strongest area of support.
murder rank	Tue Jul 03 19:27:32 2018 "Slavery is a bit more grey, because it was normalized and politicized for generations." Being a greedy selfish dick has always been and will always be normalized among certain segments of every population. That doesn't mean that the rest of us have to accept it as normal or refrain from holding those people accountable. People knew it was wrong then too. But it had to be right, because it made them rich.
Forwyn rank	Tue Jul 03 19:36:55 2018 Eh. By 1800, even those against slavery completely dehumanized blacks. It's fairly easy to see how that quickly turns into a God-ordained caste system in a religious society.
McKobb rank	Wed Jul 04 07:39:36 2018 It was a wilder age
Nekran rank	Wed Jul 04 07:57:20 2018 Nothing is being erased? The name of an award is being changed. How could anyone give a fuck?
McKobb rank	Wed Jul 04 08:07:55 2018 Political easement for those with nothing better to contribute.
Nimatzo rank	Wed Jul 04 10:17:17 2018 "Slavery is a bit more grey, because it was normalized and politicized for generations. It took decades to whittle down the residual dehumanization that served as the foundation of the system." Slavery is a bit tricky, yes. If you go back long enough, there were slaves in Rome richer than their owners. The concept is detestable, but historically it did not always emerge in its' most horrible form, so moral confusion (historically) is understandable. Murdering people has universally across cultures been accepted as a bad thing. Today we have a more civilized form of slavery, wage slavery, where the slave can give his/her two week/two month notice to their masters and be free to live in abject poverty playing PS4 games :)
Nimatzo rank	Wed Jul 04 10:18:14 2018 Sorry, watch others play PS4 games on youtube.
TJ rank	Wed Jul 04 15:16:23 2018 Indian givers...
McKobb rank	Wed Jul 04 16:38:48 2018 Lol
Cthulhu rank	Wed Jul 04 18:51:14 2018 Murdering people has universally across cultures been accepted as a bad thing.' Doesnt mean much given that most of them were fine with people being killed as long as it was done legally.
Nimatzo rank	Thu Jul 05 08:11:56 2018 ”Murder” is by definition an unlawful killing. I just wonder where the surprise part comes in, that people are fine with lawful action, in general.
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