Utopia Talk / Politics / To fix the past, we must erase the past

Rugian Member	Fri Jun 29 19:26:23 Association removes Laura Ingalls Wilder’s name from award CHICAGO (AP) — A division of the American Library Association has voted to remove Laura Ingalls Wilder’s name from a major children’s book award over concerns with how the early-to-mid 20th century author portrayed blacks and Native Americans. The Association for Library Service to Children’s board made the unanimous decision Saturday at a meeting in New Orleans. The name has been changed to the Children’s Literature Legacy Award. The association says the work of Wilder — best known for her “Little House on the Prairie” novels — “includes expressions of stereotypical attitudes inconsistent with ALSC’s core values.” The first award was given to Wilder in 1954. The ALSC says Wilder’s work continues to be published and read but her “legacy is complex” and “not universally embraced.” The American Library Association is based in Chicago. http://apnews.com/19112531f7a24c9c8ab43b7968c96a1d
Aeros Member	Fri Jun 29 20:31:06 We have always been at war with eastasia
obaminated Member	Fri Jun 29 20:32:41 Doesnt look like anything to me.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jun 29 20:34:30 I didn't watch Little House on the Prairie but that family does seem like they would be rampant racists
Rugian Member	Fri Jun 29 20:50:09 "They cannot see the things that will hurt them. I've spared them that." -Some ALA executive, presumably
kargen Member	Fri Jun 29 20:56:45 It is stupid to judge actions in the past by today's standards. They need to be judged according to the standards at the time.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Fri Jun 29 20:58:33 Wasn't Little House on the Prairie in Kansas? When are people going to stop giving in?
Cherub Cow Member	Fri Jun 29 22:22:48 "her “legacy is complex” and “not universally embraced.”" There it is: a great formula for reductive thinking. If not everyone likes it, it must be burned. If complexity becomes too difficult for the lowest common denominators, empower their littleness with the confidence of absolutes. ..And this was another story that I had to Google to see if it was a joke or not.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Fri Jun 29 23:40:35 It depends on what they replace it with.
Forwyn Member	Sat Jun 30 01:59:20 "I didn't watch Little House on the Prairie but that family does seem like they would be rampant racists" Because they're...rural and white? Or because they were from the late 1800s, when everyone was racist?
obaminated Member	Sat Jun 30 11:11:51 No one was racist back then forwyn. We all got along. The history books say so.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Jun 30 11:19:49 Wasn't Little House on the Prairie set in Kansas?
obaminated Member	Sat Jun 30 11:22:21 You already posted that but why does it matter where it was set...?
Wrath of Orion Member	Sat Jun 30 13:56:45 Nobody but you gives a shit, Retard Rod.
Forwyn Member	Sat Jun 30 17:15:32 Book-Kansas TV-Minnesota
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Jun 30 17:19:15 Because Kansas was a free state. Which really means nothing, I was just curious.
kargen Member	Sat Jun 30 19:37:09 There is a line used as an example of racism in one book that has been quoted. “The only good Indian is a dead Indian.” What they don't include is the following line. “Pa said he didn’t know about that. He figured that Indians would be as peaceable as anybody else if they were left alone.”
Cthulhu Tentacle Rapist	Sun Jul 01 09:10:43 Yay for moral luxury! Does the entire planet really run solely on cognitive distortions?
Sam Adams Member	Sun Jul 01 10:26:40 Lol sjws are retarded
murder Member	Mon Jul 02 15:31:05 "To fix the past, we must erase the past" You don't want to fix anything. You want to return to the past.
murder Member	Mon Jul 02 15:33:17 "It is stupid to judge actions in the past by today's standards. They need to be judged according to the standards at the time." So slavery was OK, right kargen?
Paramount Member	Mon Jul 02 15:44:29 "It is stupid to judge actions in the past by today's standards. They need to be judged according to the standards at the time." In the past, it was okay to kill Jews. With all the facts on hand, we can make a judgement. In the past we did not have all the facts. So we can’t judge the past by the past standards.
murder Member	Mon Jul 02 15:57:52 Wait ... what do you mean in the past? :o)
kargen Member	Mon Jul 02 16:48:41 Nope slavery was not okay. Nor was it okay to kill Jews. Still we shouldn't judge people in the past by todays standards. Wilder’s book reflect the views at the time they represent. It is stupid to look at her work and deny it because the views expressed then do not match our views today.
Cthulhu Tentacle Rapist	Mon Jul 02 17:48:57 If we are erasing the past, does that mean i'm finally pardoned for the crime of being a white male?
Forwyn Member	Mon Jul 02 19:09:32 You can judge people in the past, just be intelligent about it. We can freely judge Nazis because everyone knew it was wrong then, too. They were tried, convicted, and executed for their crimes. Slavery is a bit more grey, because it was normalized and politicized for generations. It took decades to whittle down the residual dehumanization that served as the foundation of the system. Someone showing just a fraction of that residual racism, almost a century ago, isn't a huge deal. There are still nations worse than 1930s America.
Dukhat Member	Mon Jul 02 19:17:12 1930's America in the North and West maybe. The deep south has been a shithole for most of our history and still today is Trump's strongest area of support.
murder Member	Tue Jul 03 12:27:32 "Slavery is a bit more grey, because it was normalized and politicized for generations." Being a greedy selfish dick has always been and will always be normalized among certain segments of every population. That doesn't mean that the rest of us have to accept it as normal or refrain from holding those people accountable. People knew it was wrong then too. But it had to be right, because it made them rich.
Forwyn Member	Tue Jul 03 12:36:55 Eh. By 1800, even those against slavery completely dehumanized blacks. It's fairly easy to see how that quickly turns into a God-ordained caste system in a religious society.
McKobb Member	Wed Jul 04 00:39:36 It was a wilder age
Nekran Member	Wed Jul 04 00:57:20 Nothing is being erased? The name of an award is being changed. How could anyone give a fuck?
McKobb Member	Wed Jul 04 01:07:55 Political easement for those with nothing better to contribute.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Jul 04 03:17:17 "Slavery is a bit more grey, because it was normalized and politicized for generations. It took decades to whittle down the residual dehumanization that served as the foundation of the system." Slavery is a bit tricky, yes. If you go back long enough, there were slaves in Rome richer than their owners. The concept is detestable, but historically it did not always emerge in its' most horrible form, so moral confusion (historically) is understandable. Murdering people has universally across cultures been accepted as a bad thing. Today we have a more civilized form of slavery, wage slavery, where the slave can give his/her two week/two month notice to their masters and be free to live in abject poverty playing PS4 games :)
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Jul 04 03:18:14 Sorry, watch others play PS4 games on youtube.
TJ Member	Wed Jul 04 08:16:23 Indian givers...
McKobb Member	Wed Jul 04 09:38:48 Lol
Cthulhu Tentacle Rapist	Wed Jul 04 11:51:14 Murdering people has universally across cultures been accepted as a bad thing.' Doesnt mean much given that most of them were fine with people being killed as long as it was done legally.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Jul 05 01:11:56 ”Murder” is by definition an unlawful killing. I just wonder where the surprise part comes in, that people are fine with lawful action, in general.
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