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Sam Adams
Member Tue Jul 03 11:34:13
Lol@seb. 8 babies. I guess its so much better that they died without gun use. You totally have the moral high ground to use at those babies funerals.

http://www...ht-babies-in-hospital?ref=home

murder
Member Tue Jul 03 12:20:21

If those babies had guns ...

Seb
Member Tue Jul 03 13:36:16
Sam:

What, exactly, is your point?

I don't think anyone ever claimed controlling guns would eliminate crimes that are not committed with and do not involve guns.

Or are you suggesting that this individual, not having access to a gun, embarked on a multi year plan to get medical qualifications and access to neonatal care to kill people instead? And thus suggesting that it demonstrates how controling guns does not prevent murder?

Because if you are I'd suggest that almost comically highlights how much harder it is for people to commit mass murders with gun control, highlighting it's efficacy, and perhaps explaining why our murder rates are so much lower than yours.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Tue Jul 03 20:07:13

Harder?

Perhaps.

But obviously, it can be done.

earthpig
GTFO HOer Wed Jul 04 00:31:33
TFW not having the death penalty is a violation of the public's trust.

Seb
Member Wed Jul 04 02:03:48
Hot rod:

Again, not sure what your point is. Laws against murder don't make murder impossible either.

Seb
Member Wed Jul 04 02:07:41
Ep:

She's been arrested. Not clear if she will be charged (i.e. what level of evidence there is against her).

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Wed Jul 04 03:05:26
"TFW not having the death penalty is a violation of the public's trust."

It depends, should justice should be primarily about retribution or restitution (restorative)? There is a balance to be found between those principles, no doubt. However such a balance can not be achieved with capital punishment since dead people can not restore anything. You may argue that it does for you personally, and of course the judiciary should take into account that the punishment is part of the restorative act, but it shouldn't be the only concern.

murder
Member Thu Jul 05 01:41:32
The only concern should be keeping society safe from monsters.

smart dude
Member Thu Jul 05 02:35:45
They might have grown up to be Hitler. Who are we to judge?

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Sam Adams Member	Tue Jul 03 11:34:13 Lol@seb. 8 babies. I guess its so much better that they died without gun use. You totally have the moral high ground to use at those babies funerals. http://www...ht-babies-in-hospital?ref=home
murder Member	Tue Jul 03 12:20:21 If those babies had guns ...
Seb Member	Tue Jul 03 13:36:16 Sam: What, exactly, is your point? I don't think anyone ever claimed controlling guns would eliminate crimes that are not committed with and do not involve guns. Or are you suggesting that this individual, not having access to a gun, embarked on a multi year plan to get medical qualifications and access to neonatal care to kill people instead? And thus suggesting that it demonstrates how controling guns does not prevent murder? Because if you are I'd suggest that almost comically highlights how much harder it is for people to commit mass murders with gun control, highlighting it's efficacy, and perhaps explaining why our murder rates are so much lower than yours.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Jul 03 20:07:13 Harder? Perhaps. But obviously, it can be done.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Wed Jul 04 00:31:33 TFW not having the death penalty is a violation of the public's trust.
Seb Member	Wed Jul 04 02:03:48 Hot rod: Again, not sure what your point is. Laws against murder don't make murder impossible either.
Seb Member	Wed Jul 04 02:07:41 Ep: She's been arrested. Not clear if she will be charged (i.e. what level of evidence there is against her).
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Jul 04 03:05:26 "TFW not having the death penalty is a violation of the public's trust." It depends, should justice should be primarily about retribution or restitution (restorative)? There is a balance to be found between those principles, no doubt. However such a balance can not be achieved with capital punishment since dead people can not restore anything. You may argue that it does for you personally, and of course the judiciary should take into account that the punishment is part of the restorative act, but it shouldn't be the only concern.
murder Member	Thu Jul 05 01:41:32 The only concern should be keeping society safe from monsters.
smart dude Member	Thu Jul 05 02:35:45 They might have grown up to be Hitler. Who are we to judge?
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