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Daemon
Member
Sat Jul 07 18:23:27
...if someone can prove God exists!


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July 7, 2018 12:44 am
Updated: July 7, 2018 12:49 am

Rodrigo Duterte says he’ll resign as Philippine president if someone can prove God exists
By Staff The Associated Press


The Philippine president, who recently sparked outrage for calling God stupid, has courted new controversy in his largely Roman Catholic country by saying he will resign if anybody can prove that God exists.

President Rodrigo Duterte questioned anew in a speech late Friday some of the basic tenets of the Catholic faith, including the concept of original sin, which he said taints even innocent infants and can only be removed through baptism.

Duterte asks, “Where is the logic of God there?”

He says if there’s “one single witness” who can prove, perhaps with a picture, that they were able to see and talk to God, he will immediately resign.

Last week, Duterte was slammed for calling God “stupid,” with one Catholic bishop calling him a “psychopath.”
Rugian
Member
Sat Jul 07 18:28:08
B A S E D
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Rugian
Member
Sat Jul 07 18:28:47
Seriously, can we get this guy to run in the US in 2024? What a guy.
Cthulhu
Tentacle Rapist
Sat Jul 07 18:32:03
I wish he was Emporer of Earth
kargen
Member
Sat Jul 07 18:54:18
Didn't someone just post a video of God walking in the clouds? Not sure anyone talked to him though as he strolled through the clouds.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Jul 07 19:36:05

I can prove he doesn't.

Cthulhu
Tentacle Rapist
Sat Jul 07 19:52:24
No you can't hr.

Also, everyone knows Dueterte exists, so its time to reveal the multis
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Jul 07 20:09:24

Yes, I can.

Cthulhu
Tentacle Rapist
Sat Jul 07 20:26:36
If you knew how logic worked, you would not think that, but go ahead, show us your stunning proof
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Jul 07 20:28:59

Answer me just one question precisely.

How could God exist, prior to existence?

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Jul 07 20:32:33

Answer me just one question.


Precisely how could God exist, prior to existence?

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Jul 07 22:04:19

I guess you will have to sleep on it.

Let me know in the morning.

Cthulhu
Tentacle Rapist
Sat Jul 07 22:55:11
Existing before this universe existed is not the same as existing before existence.

If he does exist, he may be as old as existence amd maybe not. Who's too say that parrellel universes and higher planes of existence dont exist?

You can't prove God exists and you can't prove he doesn't either
Y2A
Member
Sun Jul 08 00:52:54
Proof:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Nisanov

QED
McKobb
Member
Sun Jul 08 01:01:17
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/xKaloQYNL5Q/maxresdefault.jpg
Cthulhu
Tentacle Rapist
Sun Jul 08 01:28:41
http://goo.gl/images/6PXMCT

Fine hr, here is a picture of god. Let's see you refute that!
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Jul 08 06:39:08

Cthulhu, you need to understand that words have an exact meaning in this particular instance.

In order for God to create existence, all that exists, he would need to exist.

All of the universes that exist would need to exist after God. He created them too supposedly. They are all a part of the same 'Big Bang'.

So how could God exist before anything else if he created everything that exists?

Paramount
Member
Sun Jul 08 11:55:06
"So how could God exist before anything else if he created everything that exists?"


Why wouldn't God exist before anything else? God has obviously always existed. But at one point he got bored at being all alone, so he created our universe, the sun, our planet and Adam and Eve.

Maybe he has always created worlds, and then watched as they gets destroyed, and then he starts all over again. Maybe it's just like playing a game for him.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Jul 08 13:57:41

But, all of that = existence.

How could God exist before he created that which exists?

Something cannot exist before existence.


That Sir is a contradiction in terms.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jul 08 14:16:37
maybe he's in a different universe... & when he flushed his toilet it created ours
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Jul 08 14:30:10

How could a different universe exist before God existed to create them?

Paramount
Member
Sun Jul 08 14:37:11
God does obviously not need a universe to exist. God is God after all.
Cthulhu
Tentacle Rapist
Sun Jul 08 15:02:12
The problem HR is that you cant comprehend the idea of other universes existing.

God created the heavens and the Earth, meaning he created this universe. I dont see whats not possible about something existing before the big bang.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Jul 08 16:04:03

Paramount - God does obviously not need a universe to exist. God is God after all.


The question is, how can God exist prior to existence? Forget the universe and all else.

How can God exist before anything?

In other words, how was God created when nothing existed to create him?




Cthulhu - The problem HR is that you cant comprehend the idea of other universes existing.


Of course, I can, I have seen pictures of many universes and I'm not sure how many there are but at least tens of thousands I guess.

But what caused them to exist if they existed before God? He created the Heavens and the Earth, and forget the big bang.

The other universes are a part of the heavens would be my guess.

God created the Heavens and the Earth.


Who or what created God?

The question is, how could God exist when there was nothing or no one to create Him.

hood
Member
Sun Jul 08 16:21:12
"All of the universes that exist would need to exist after God. He created them too supposedly. They are all a part of the same 'Big Bang'."

This is false. We can only say for certain that our universe was created by the big bang. We don't know how, we don't know what, if anything, preceded it, we don't know if it spawned multiple universes for which we inhabit only one. We have absolutely no idea.
Paramount
Member
Sun Jul 08 16:22:24
No one created God. God has always existed. When there was nothing else, there was only God. The only thing that was before God was God itself.

We are living in a loop. So there is no real beginning. Meaning, God is always there and has always been there throughout the loop.
Paramount
Member
Sun Jul 08 16:38:07
God actually look something like this:

8

or an:

O


Like an eternity loop. That eternity is God and it has always existed. Actually, the eternity (God) could have almost any shape. As long as it is connected and creates the loop. God could look like a D or have a more complicated shape.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Jul 08 17:08:21

Common sense would assure us that they were all created from the same source since they are spinning through space in the same manner as our universe is.



Paramount, very nice. What created Him and gave Him the shape He is in?



Paramount - When there was nothing else, there was only God.


If He was, then He was created. Who or what created Him?



Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Jul 08 17:24:12

Here is a theory that is as good as any. I once read a SciFi story many decades ago.


It was about a race of beings that invented a computer that was so sophisticated if it broke down it would repair itself and if it became outmoded it could replace itself.

It was capable of supplying all of the races needs and wants. So the race decided that they would endeavor to study every facet of existence.

This went on for hundreds of thousands of millennia. Everything that could possibly be known was fed into the computer.

Eventually, their planet died and with it the race. At the same time all of the planets and suns that existed died out too.

Nothing was left alive.


The computer sat there all alone, thinking.

The last sentence of the story.




"Let There Be Light."


kargen
Member
Sun Jul 08 23:21:24
What makes you think there was something prior to existence?
Existence has no beginning and no end. People argue there is no beginning because that would mean there was a time where there was nothing.
If we started with nothing then nothing is all that would ever be (or not be). Existence will change as things within that existence come and go but it isn't going to end.

That aside the bible doesn't say God created existence. It says he created a material existence. Before the material existence there was just existence.
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Jul 09 04:45:48
"The question is, how could God exist when there was nothing or no one to create Him."

Sounds like someone has never applied the principles of masturbation to philosophy. Amateur ;p
TJ
Member
Mon Jul 09 10:00:13
HR:

Human language. If there is an existence in the mind of humans, it exists. To exist is human in a material world.

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence is the common sense approach. God is outside of proofs or disproofs in a material universe.

Trying to prove or disprove is a waste of time and I don't have anymore time to waste.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Jul 09 10:34:36

Sounds like you are saying the absence of proof is a faith which proves nothing other than fear.

All I am saying is an 'A' is an 'A' and can be nothing else.

Paramount
Member
Mon Jul 09 11:05:21
It depends on from what perspective you are viewing the A.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Jul 09 12:05:20

No, an 'A' cannot be anything else no matter how you view it or no matter what else you may want it to be.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jul 09 12:14:07
it could be the side view of a step ladder
TJ
Member
Mon Jul 09 13:23:30
"Sounds like you are saying the absence of proof is a faith which proves nothing other than fear."

My natural hickory hardwood flooring has been delayed at the manufacturer to the supplier to the purchaser.

The delay will setback my project 2 weeks minimum. I'll take a positive light rather than negative. It provides me some free time I wouldn't have had otherwise.

No matter what it sounds like to you that is not what I typed.

What makes you believe that faith can only be derived out of the emotion fear? What about all the other human emotions you've dismissed as invaluable to the subject? Perspectives...

You are a god!
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Jul 09 14:47:57

No, it is just that much of faith occurs when folks give up their reason to fear when they are given a good shot of 'hellfire and damnation'.

Not speaking of you personally. I doubt if there is anything that scares you.


This started with, "Rodrigo Duterte says he’ll resign as Philippine president if someone can prove God exists".

I pointed out that I could prove He did not exist, which I have done.


How could God, who created all things in Heaven and Earth, exist prior to existence?


No one has that answer to what created God because it is a question-based in reason rather than accepting His existence on faith.

TJ
Member
Mon Jul 09 15:33:18
I know how it started.

"Rodrigo Duterte says he’ll resign as Philippine president if someone can prove God exists"

He basically said it would take an act of God to get him to resign. He didn't say disprove that a God exists. lulz

You've failed in your attempt. Don't feel bad though since the the most intelligent human offerings have also failed.
Cold Rod
Member
Mon Jul 09 16:27:15
And of course we all know Hot Rod does not have any intelligence.
kargen
Member
Mon Jul 09 16:28:31
"No, an 'A' cannot be anything else no matter how you view it or no matter what else you may want it to be."

That doesn't really address the question though. The question is how did that A come to be. Then we have to ask what was here before that A was here.
Going back to the beginning let us assume there was nothing. Let's call nothing 'A'. A is all there was so A is all that we could have now. We definitely have something more than nothing. So according to your A has to always be A statement something must have always been.

"I pointed out that I could prove He did not exist, which I have done."

No you really haven't. All you have tried to prove is if he does exist then he existed for longer than the material universe we are a part of has existed. That is it.

And our argument has been for the most part limited itself to the beliefs of two or three religions. To prove God does not exist you would need to take into account the beliefs of all the other religions.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Jul 09 18:49:55

TJ - He didn't say disprove that a God exists. lulz


That's why I said, "I can prove he doesn't."

No, it is you guys that have failed because none of you can answer my question.

If there was nothing to create God, then God cannot exist.





tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jul 09 18:57:04
where did the material in the big bang come from? why did it bang... maybe god exploding was the big bang, or it was some piñata at his extradimensional 'i'm so awesome' rally
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Jul 09 19:17:30

Who knows where the material came from. Perhaps someday they will figure it out.

Until then I must assume that man created his first gods during prehistoric times.

And then about 7,000 years ago once he learned to think "rationally". he decided rocks and birds were not even close to being gods.

So he tinkered around and came up with a sing all knowing, all power singular God. So they built a number of relative Gods around the singular God.

Thus faith was born and mankind felt safe and comfortable if the arms of their benevolent God.



Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Jul 09 19:20:38
*-came up with a single all...
TJ
Member
Mon Jul 09 19:52:49
"Until then I must assume"

That pretty much says it all.

You haven't proven or disproved that the metaphysical has ever existed or not and I'm certain that you never will in a material world.

I'm also certain you'll maintain your faith. :)
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Jul 09 19:56:09

That would be an assumption based on the empirical usage of words that have a precise meaning.

TJ
Member
Mon Jul 09 20:00:18
Yes, which comes from a material world. Maintain the faith.
kargen
Member
Mon Jul 09 21:28:53
"Who knows where the material came from. Perhaps someday they will figure it out."

According to you it can't exist because there was nothing to create it.

Your reasoning makes us and all around us impossible.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Jul 09 21:59:33

"According to you it can't exist because there was nothing to create it."


If they figure it out then I will likely be given some empirical evidence that will give me just cause to change my mind.

But, as of now, I can only presume that God could not have been created when there was nothing there to create Him.



"Your reasoning makes us and all around us impossible."


No. Only God.


kargen
Member
Mon Jul 09 22:43:33
"But, as of now, I can only presume that God could not have been created when there was nothing there to create Him."

So tell me how can we exist if there was a time when nothing existed?

Looking only at your posts either something somewhere has always existed or nothing exists.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Jul 10 04:08:13

True. "something somewhere..."


"If they figure it out then I will likely be given some empirical evidence that will give me just cause to change my mind."

TJ
Member
Tue Jul 10 09:27:11
"True. "something somewhere...""

I'm amused. :)

Keep the faith.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Jul 10 09:39:50

You do know the astronomers are trying to see past all of the universes to see where the void starts now.

And they still don't know where the big bang originated or even if that is where everything started.


There is a myriad of unanswered questions.

TJ
Member
Tue Jul 10 13:38:25
Good to know that you realize there are unanswered questions such as proving a God does not exist.
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