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Paramount
Member
Wed Jul 11 02:43:19
The European Union makes it impossible for our farmers and workers and companies to do business in Europe (U.S. has a $151 Billion trade deficit), and then they want us to happily defend them through NATO, and nicely pay for it. Just doesn’t work!

http://twi...tatus/1016757033071079424?s=21
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Jul 11 07:30:13

Hardly seems fair, does it?

Seb
Member
Wed Jul 11 08:02:46
HotRod:

You going to drop the large US agricultural subsidies and remove your regulatory barriers to importing EU agriproducts (e.g. ban on various cured meat products)
Paramount
Member
Wed Jul 11 08:10:20
Trump fighting for a leval playing field for American farmers:



Trump's trade war with China has caused them to levy tariffs on American farmers. Now a bunch of soybeans are rotting away in silos all across the midwest—turning into soy sauce. Meanwhile, Trump makes all his MAGA hats and merchandise in China.

http://twitter.com/eugenegu/status/1017026752927813633

lol
Dukhat
Member
Wed Jul 11 08:10:35
And the US has a huge number of tariffs as well. Trump always comes from a place of ignorance.
Paramount
Member
Wed Jul 11 08:14:46
*a level playing field
The Children
Member
Wed Jul 11 13:31:41
soy sauce is not made from soybeans.

sorry soyboys. ur soy gonna rot away.

Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Jul 11 13:59:09
"soy sauce is not made from soybeans."

Link? Because I can provide one saying it is.
The Children
Member
Wed Jul 11 15:01:44
aye my bad,

soy sauce originally made from fish sauce...but seems like this changed about a 1000 years ago where they replaced fish sauce with soy bean paste.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Jul 11 16:23:52

If this turns into a full-fledged tariff war it will be because EU and China a so damned money hungry they are too cheap and greedy to do the right thing.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Jul 11 16:33:30

I was not aware that we had subsidies on food products.


If we remove them what does that do to our balance of trade?

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Jul 11 16:34:42

That was for Seb.

Seb
Member
Wed Jul 11 16:57:05
Hot Rod:

Right, so if Trump is upset about tarrifs, regulations and subsidies; as the bible says: before pointing out the speck of dust in our eye, look first to the beam in yours.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Jul 11 18:42:00

That's not what I asked.

How will it affect our tariffs?

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Jul 11 18:43:07

And while we are at it, can you give me a link so I can understand it better.

werewolf dictator
Member
Wed Jul 11 19:01:44
eu farm subsidies are around $65 billion per year

us farm subsidies are a little over $20 billion per year

if someone needs to drop their large and unfair subsidies it is europe
Forwyn
Member
Wed Jul 11 21:58:03
You're being too nice to the EU.

"In an effort to cut costs and promote other policies, farmers will see aid shrink in the 2021-2027 period to 365 billion euros ($438 billion), down 5 percent from the current CAP, the Commission said."

http://www...ays-unacceptable-idUSKBN1I31XB
Seb
Member
Thu Jul 12 02:02:07
HotRod:

You asked how it would affect your balance of trade, not how it would affect tarrifs.

I don't know and cannot easily predict how removing agricultural subsidies would affect balance of trade.

It would not affect your tarrifs.

Daemon
Member
Thu Jul 12 02:04:59
"Deal maker" Trump shows the Chinese that their tariffs on agriculture are a full success.


Anyway, you guys should remember that it was Trump who stopped the TTIP talks:
http://www...us-agriculture-eus-study-finds

TTIP: far greater benefits to US agriculture than to EU's, study finds

Written by Julie Levy-Abegnoli on 5 January 2016 in News

A US government report has revealed that removing agricultural trade barriers between US and EU would harm EU exports

[...]

Seb
Member
Thu Jul 12 02:05:10
Yes, the EU should drop subsidies.

My point is the EU overall no more makes life hard for your businesses than you make life business for ours.

And any assessment of "balance of trade" should consider profit shifting by US tech firms.
Seb
Member
Thu Jul 12 02:05:55
And as Daemon points out, we just concluded a long, painful negotiation for bilateral reduction in tarrifs and regulatory barriers which you guys ripped up.

Forwyn
Member
Thu Jul 12 13:15:38
"My point is the EU overall no more makes life hard for your businesses than you make life business for ours."

Sure you do. To the tune of 2190%.
Forwyn
Member
Thu Jul 12 13:19:02
"we just concluded a long, painful negotiation for bilateral reduction in tarrifs"

You've got about $400 billion in agricultural subsidies to slash before any discussion needs to be had.
patom
Member
Thu Jul 12 13:53:38
Well the trade war is making lobster cheaper here in Maine.
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