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tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Jul 20 11:05:11
TLDR: Cohen (criminal associate of Trump) recorded Trump before election discussing paying off Karen McDougal (Playboy model with whom Trump had a long-time affair)
Giuliani confirms the tape exists then bullshits that's it's all meaningless

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WASHINGTON — President Trump’s longtime lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, secretly recorded a conversation with Mr. Trump two months before the presidential election in which they discussed payments to a former Playboy model who said she had an affair with Mr. Trump, according to lawyers and others familiar with the recording.

The F.B.I. seized the recording this year during a raid on Mr. Cohen’s office. The Justice Department is investigating Mr. Cohen’s involvement in paying women to tamp down embarrassing news stories about Mr. Trump ahead of the 2016 election. Prosecutors want to know whether that violated federal campaign finance laws, and any conversation with Mr. Trump about those payments would be of keen interest to them.

The recording’s existence further draws Mr. Trump into questions about tactics he and his associates used to keep aspects of his personal and business life a secret. And it highlights the potential legal and political danger that Mr. Cohen represents to Mr. Trump. Once the keeper of many of Mr. Trump’s secrets, Mr. Cohen is now seen as increasingly willing to consider cooperating with prosecutors.

Rudolph W. Giuliani, Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer, confirmed in a telephone conversation on Friday that Mr. Trump had discussed the payments with Mr. Cohen on the tape but said the payment was ultimately never made. He said the recording was less than two minutes and demonstrated that the president had done nothing wrong.

“Nothing in that conversation suggests that he had any knowledge of it in advance,” Mr. Giuliani said, adding that Mr. Trump had directed Mr. Cohen that if he were to make a payment related to the woman, write a check, rather than sending cash, so it could be properly documented.

“In the big scheme of things, it’s powerful exculpatory evidence,” Mr. Giuliani said.

Mr. Cohen’s lawyers discovered the recording as part of their review of the seized materials and shared it with Mr. Trump’s lawyers, according to three people briefed on the matter.

The former model, Karen McDougal, says she began a nearly yearlong affair with Mr. Trump in 2006, shortly after Mr. Trump’s wife, Melania, gave birth to their son Barron. Ms. McDougal sold her story to The National Enquirer for $150,000 during the final months of the presidential campaign, but the tabloid sat on the story, which kept it from becoming public. The practice, known as “catch and kill,” effectively silenced Ms. McDougal for the remainder of the campaign.

David J. Pecker, the chairman of The Enquirer’s parent company, is a friend of Mr. Trump’s, and Ms. McDougal has accused Mr. Cohen of secretly taking part in the deal — an allegation that is now part of the F.B.I. investigation.

When The Wall Street Journal revealed the existence of the payment days before the election, Mr. Trump’s campaign spokeswoman, Hope Hicks, said, “We have no knowledge of any of this.” She said Ms. McDougal’s claim of an affair was “totally untrue.”

http://www.../michael-cohen-trump-tape.html

swordtail
Anarchist Prime Fri Jul 20 11:21:09
putin?

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Jul 20 11:26:25
in a way... certainly evidence Trump is incredibly susceptible to blackmail... and Putin likes to get blackmail material on influential people

obaminated
Member Fri Jul 20 12:11:00
Its melania. Not melanie. You dumbass.

Rugian
Member Fri Jul 20 12:32:35
As with other stories of this ilk, the only takeaway I'm getting is that Trump has sex with hot as hell women.

Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ Fri Jul 20 12:39:29
Trump is the only politician dumb enough to fuck porn stars.

Rugian
Member Fri Jul 20 12:41:08
Excuse me, but Ms. McDougal is a model and actress, thank you very much.

mexicantardnado
Member Fri Jul 20 12:56:05
Duuuuuuur I'm duuuuur triggered duuuuur over duuuur a name.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Jul 20 13:03:23
@mt, Trump called her Melanie

probably an auto-correct issue, but fits his idiocy pattern (& disrespect of his wife)... and maybe the President should proof-read his official presidential statements

hood
Member Fri Jul 20 13:09:50
Looks like mt didn't get the humor of the thread title.

"As with other stories of this ilk, the only takeaway I'm getting is that Trump has sex with hot as hell women."

And potentially violated campaign finance laws. And is not nearly as alpha as you dregs make him out to be (an alpha wouldn't hide it).

Dukhat
Member Fri Jul 20 13:38:50
As always, it's the money trail that gets criminals who commit bigger crimes. Trump paid these women off from his campaign funds or his "charity" or using a campaign donor intermediary. Any and all of these actions count as felonies and are corrupt to the core.

delude
Member Fri Jul 20 13:46:26
"Its melania. Not melanie. You dumbass."

Triggered much? Missing the joke much? Missing the apostrophe much?

Paramount
Member Fri Jul 20 13:59:33
”Trump paid these women off from his campaign funds or his "charity" or using a campaign donor intermediary. Any and all of these actions count as felonies and are corrupt to the core.”

Imagine if you donated money for a political campaign or to some charity, and then you get told that your money was given to a prostitute porn star.

Paramount
Member Fri Jul 20 15:43:47
* to a model and actress

obaminated
Member Fri Jul 20 16:27:07
Yah, imagine not giving a fuck. Trump supporters don't care. No one voted for him believing he was ethical. He cheats on his wife. He is blunt and borderline racist. People still back him because he is against all the crap we got over obamaal years.

mexicantardnado
Member Fri Jul 20 16:47:00
duuuur I say this duuur every time duuuuur when you all duuur attack duuuur my president duuuuuuur

mexicantardnado
Member Fri Jul 20 16:47:15
best duuuur defense I have duuuuuuuur

hood
Member Fri Jul 20 17:15:37
"Yah, imagine not giving a fuck."

I thought republicans followed rules, like campaign finance laws?

delude
Member Fri Jul 20 17:18:29
"Trump supporters don't care."

Yes, that is a given.

obaminated
Member Fri Jul 20 17:22:18
I said GOP tend to encourage following laws and working to succeed within a given system. When that system appears to actively work against you, dont expect rational people to continue to support said system. Hence Trump.

hood
Member Fri Jul 20 17:27:22
You are evading.

How do you come to the conclusion of not giving a fuck about this when there are clear implications that Trump did not follow the rules (as GOP "encourage")? Shouldn't you care that Trump doesn't follow rules?

Also, really fucking hilarious if you think Trump is different from the system. He's all the worst parts of the system.

delude
Member Fri Jul 20 17:30:46
#drainthatswamp

kargen
Member Fri Jul 20 17:50:59
Are we sure this is a bad day for Melania? Maybe she is happy he goes elsewhere for sex?

That aside we already knew this months ago. There was no tape but even undiscovered tribes of Tupiniquim people knew The National Enquirer buried this story. If people were not outraged months ago why should they be outraged now?

Could be outrage directed towards the lawyer for recording the conversation I suppose. Most lawyers agree secret recordings are a big no-no.

Also gotta wonder how the press got evidence from an ongoing FBI investigation. That is usually frowned upon.

obaminated
Member Fri Jul 20 18:08:14
Kargen wins.

hood
Member Fri Jul 20 18:11:11
kargen wins in the same way trump wins (losing horribly).

"If people were not outraged months ago why should they be outraged now?"

Very possibly illegal activities are the focus of this (using campaign money to bribe people).

obaminated
Member Fri Jul 20 18:18:52
You are focused on campaign laws being broken. If there were then fuck Trump. But thatd be one of the first thing mueller would go after. So that implies it never happened.

hood
Member Fri Jul 20 18:37:20
Why would that be one of the first things Mueller would go after? His main task is to determine any impact Russia had on the election and to find collusion between the Trump campaign and the meddling (should collusion exist). Campaign finance is pretty small potatoes compared to rigging an election.

In the sassiest of sassy, "girl please."

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Jul 20 18:41:53
you should be outraged because it's more proof Trump lied (plus more proof it happened, given his idiot supporters think its all fake news if he says so... they are not all like mt accepting he's a cheating piece of shit)

why do you care so little about him lying to your face? & do you really think its only about the things you don't care about?

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Jul 20 19:03:04
he tweeted this after his disastrous summit:

"So many people at the higher ends of intelligence loved my press conference performance in Helsinki."

do you REALLY think that happened? and that comment is directed right at his supporters who he OBVIOUSLY takes for idiots... why do you take it & beg for more?

delude
Member Fri Jul 20 19:44:09
"Also gotta wonder how the press got evidence from an ongoing FBI investigation. That is usually frowned upon."

Yep. He is this stupid folks.

kargen
Member Fri Jul 20 20:08:13
Yeah I fucked that last part up. Two teams of lawyers going through the tapes of course it is going to get to the press.

The rest of my comment is spot on.

The tape doesn't tell anybody anything they didn't already know.

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tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jul 20 11:05:11 TLDR: Cohen (criminal associate of Trump) recorded Trump before election discussing paying off Karen McDougal (Playboy model with whom Trump had a long-time affair) Giuliani confirms the tape exists then bullshits that's it's all meaningless -------------- WASHINGTON — President Trump’s longtime lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, secretly recorded a conversation with Mr. Trump two months before the presidential election in which they discussed payments to a former Playboy model who said she had an affair with Mr. Trump, according to lawyers and others familiar with the recording. The F.B.I. seized the recording this year during a raid on Mr. Cohen’s office. The Justice Department is investigating Mr. Cohen’s involvement in paying women to tamp down embarrassing news stories about Mr. Trump ahead of the 2016 election. Prosecutors want to know whether that violated federal campaign finance laws, and any conversation with Mr. Trump about those payments would be of keen interest to them. The recording’s existence further draws Mr. Trump into questions about tactics he and his associates used to keep aspects of his personal and business life a secret. And it highlights the potential legal and political danger that Mr. Cohen represents to Mr. Trump. Once the keeper of many of Mr. Trump’s secrets, Mr. Cohen is now seen as increasingly willing to consider cooperating with prosecutors. Rudolph W. Giuliani, Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer, confirmed in a telephone conversation on Friday that Mr. Trump had discussed the payments with Mr. Cohen on the tape but said the payment was ultimately never made. He said the recording was less than two minutes and demonstrated that the president had done nothing wrong. “Nothing in that conversation suggests that he had any knowledge of it in advance,” Mr. Giuliani said, adding that Mr. Trump had directed Mr. Cohen that if he were to make a payment related to the woman, write a check, rather than sending cash, so it could be properly documented. “In the big scheme of things, it’s powerful exculpatory evidence,” Mr. Giuliani said. Mr. Cohen’s lawyers discovered the recording as part of their review of the seized materials and shared it with Mr. Trump’s lawyers, according to three people briefed on the matter. The former model, Karen McDougal, says she began a nearly yearlong affair with Mr. Trump in 2006, shortly after Mr. Trump’s wife, Melania, gave birth to their son Barron. Ms. McDougal sold her story to The National Enquirer for $150,000 during the final months of the presidential campaign, but the tabloid sat on the story, which kept it from becoming public. The practice, known as “catch and kill,” effectively silenced Ms. McDougal for the remainder of the campaign. David J. Pecker, the chairman of The Enquirer’s parent company, is a friend of Mr. Trump’s, and Ms. McDougal has accused Mr. Cohen of secretly taking part in the deal — an allegation that is now part of the F.B.I. investigation. When The Wall Street Journal revealed the existence of the payment days before the election, Mr. Trump’s campaign spokeswoman, Hope Hicks, said, “We have no knowledge of any of this.” She said Ms. McDougal’s claim of an affair was “totally untrue.” http://www.../michael-cohen-trump-tape.html
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Fri Jul 20 11:21:09 putin?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jul 20 11:26:25 in a way... certainly evidence Trump is incredibly susceptible to blackmail... and Putin likes to get blackmail material on influential people
obaminated Member	Fri Jul 20 12:11:00 Its melania. Not melanie. You dumbass.
Rugian Member	Fri Jul 20 12:32:35 As with other stories of this ilk, the only takeaway I'm getting is that Trump has sex with hot as hell women.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Fri Jul 20 12:39:29 Trump is the only politician dumb enough to fuck porn stars.
Rugian Member	Fri Jul 20 12:41:08 Excuse me, but Ms. McDougal is a model and actress, thank you very much.
mexicantardnado Member	Fri Jul 20 12:56:05 Duuuuuuur I'm duuuuur triggered duuuuur over duuuur a name.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jul 20 13:03:23 @mt, Trump called her Melanie probably an auto-correct issue, but fits his idiocy pattern (& disrespect of his wife)... and maybe the President should proof-read his official presidential statements
hood Member	Fri Jul 20 13:09:50 Looks like mt didn't get the humor of the thread title. "As with other stories of this ilk, the only takeaway I'm getting is that Trump has sex with hot as hell women." And potentially violated campaign finance laws. And is not nearly as alpha as you dregs make him out to be (an alpha wouldn't hide it).
Dukhat Member	Fri Jul 20 13:38:50 As always, it's the money trail that gets criminals who commit bigger crimes. Trump paid these women off from his campaign funds or his "charity" or using a campaign donor intermediary. Any and all of these actions count as felonies and are corrupt to the core.
delude Member	Fri Jul 20 13:46:26 "Its melania. Not melanie. You dumbass." Triggered much? Missing the joke much? Missing the apostrophe much?
Paramount Member	Fri Jul 20 13:59:33 ”Trump paid these women off from his campaign funds or his "charity" or using a campaign donor intermediary. Any and all of these actions count as felonies and are corrupt to the core.” Imagine if you donated money for a political campaign or to some charity, and then you get told that your money was given to a prostitute porn star.
Paramount Member	Fri Jul 20 15:43:47 * to a model and actress
obaminated Member	Fri Jul 20 16:27:07 Yah, imagine not giving a fuck. Trump supporters don't care. No one voted for him believing he was ethical. He cheats on his wife. He is blunt and borderline racist. People still back him because he is against all the crap we got over obamaal years.
mexicantardnado Member	Fri Jul 20 16:47:00 duuuur I say this duuur every time duuuuur when you all duuur attack duuuur my president duuuuuuur
mexicantardnado Member	Fri Jul 20 16:47:15 best duuuur defense I have duuuuuuuur
hood Member	Fri Jul 20 17:15:37 "Yah, imagine not giving a fuck." I thought republicans followed rules, like campaign finance laws?
delude Member	Fri Jul 20 17:18:29 "Trump supporters don't care." Yes, that is a given.
obaminated Member	Fri Jul 20 17:22:18 I said GOP tend to encourage following laws and working to succeed within a given system. When that system appears to actively work against you, dont expect rational people to continue to support said system. Hence Trump.
hood Member	Fri Jul 20 17:27:22 You are evading. How do you come to the conclusion of not giving a fuck about this when there are clear implications that Trump did not follow the rules (as GOP "encourage")? Shouldn't you care that Trump doesn't follow rules? Also, really fucking hilarious if you think Trump is different from the system. He's all the worst parts of the system.
delude Member	Fri Jul 20 17:30:46 #drainthatswamp
kargen Member	Fri Jul 20 17:50:59 Are we sure this is a bad day for Melania? Maybe she is happy he goes elsewhere for sex? That aside we already knew this months ago. There was no tape but even undiscovered tribes of Tupiniquim people knew The National Enquirer buried this story. If people were not outraged months ago why should they be outraged now? Could be outrage directed towards the lawyer for recording the conversation I suppose. Most lawyers agree secret recordings are a big no-no. Also gotta wonder how the press got evidence from an ongoing FBI investigation. That is usually frowned upon.
obaminated Member	Fri Jul 20 18:08:14 Kargen wins.
hood Member	Fri Jul 20 18:11:11 kargen wins in the same way trump wins (losing horribly). "If people were not outraged months ago why should they be outraged now?" Very possibly illegal activities are the focus of this (using campaign money to bribe people).
obaminated Member	Fri Jul 20 18:18:52 You are focused on campaign laws being broken. If there were then fuck Trump. But thatd be one of the first thing mueller would go after. So that implies it never happened.
hood Member	Fri Jul 20 18:37:20 Why would that be one of the first things Mueller would go after? His main task is to determine any impact Russia had on the election and to find collusion between the Trump campaign and the meddling (should collusion exist). Campaign finance is pretty small potatoes compared to rigging an election. In the sassiest of sassy, "girl please."
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jul 20 18:41:53 you should be outraged because it's more proof Trump lied (plus more proof it happened, given his idiot supporters think its all fake news if he says so... they are not all like mt accepting he's a cheating piece of shit) why do you care so little about him lying to your face? & do you really think its only about the things you don't care about?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jul 20 19:03:04 he tweeted this after his disastrous summit: "So many people at the higher ends of intelligence loved my press conference performance in Helsinki." do you REALLY think that happened? and that comment is directed right at his supporters who he OBVIOUSLY takes for idiots... why do you take it & beg for more?
delude Member	Fri Jul 20 19:44:09 "Also gotta wonder how the press got evidence from an ongoing FBI investigation. That is usually frowned upon." Yep. He is this stupid folks.
kargen Member	Fri Jul 20 20:08:13 Yeah I fucked that last part up. Two teams of lawyers going through the tapes of course it is going to get to the press. The rest of my comment is spot on. The tape doesn't tell anybody anything they didn't already know.
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