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Forwyn
Member
Fri Jul 27 14:34:58
"Main issue is how fast you can kill people. A 30-clip glock fired in full automatic would be like spraying shotgun pellets. Do you even counterstrike bro?"
Dukhat
Member
Fri Jul 27 15:32:03
http://www...hread=82268&time=1521746546595

Might as well link whole thing. Nothing I said was anything to be ashamed about. You're just so retarded that you can't see a tongue-in-cheek comment. Do you even irony bro?
Forwyn
Member
Fri Jul 27 15:37:39
> clip
> do you even counterstrike
> muh gaslighting

rofl
Dukhat
Member
Fri Jul 27 15:42:51
Cuckservatives are always so retarded about guns.

Normal person: "We should limit the deadliness of available guns as well as the supply of guns so that less crazy people get them."

Cuckservative: "LoL those deadly guns have a certain type of clip that are a type of subset of other gun that isn't bannable. I R WIN ARGUMENT."

Just obsess about minutae that's irrelevant and then also be wrong about the minutae. American conservatism is a special breed of ignorance, helplessness, and more ignorance.
Forwyn
Member
Fri Jul 27 15:51:24
> Straw man about fully automatic weapons

"Hey bro most people can't actually get full-auto weapons, you have to be a cop or have boatloads of money and pass extensive checks including a face to face interview with an ATF agent, followed by yearly audits"

> Fuckin' cuckservatives gaslighting with minutae, do you even counterstrike bro? CLIP CLIP CLIP

(it's a magazine)
Dukhat
Member
Fri Jul 27 16:00:29
"Hey bro most people can't actually get full-auto weapons, you have to be a cop or have boatloads of money and pass extensive checks including a face to face interview with an ATF agent, followed by yearly audits"

And that's not enough since we still have too much mass gun violence because 2nd amendment retards keep on trying to classify deadly weapons as something less than they are every year. The purchase of AR-15's should have been more restricted after the first incident ... not after the umpteenth shooting where they've killed or injured dozens of people.

As for the glock, stop getting butt hurt over a counterstrike joke. Literally half the gun nutters I know come from the gamers gate community and love counterstrike. I was trying to relate to you bro. Too bad it triggered you.
kargen
Member
Fri Jul 27 17:19:57
It is violence that is happening. If they didn't use a gun they would use something else.

Look at Australia. After the Port Arthur shooting Australia took a hard line against guns. As expected attacks with guns did go down. Mass killings due to arson went way up. People who want to restrict guns use Australia as an example but forget to mention the arson thing.

As an aside when your intent is to do a lot of harm the AR-15 is almost never the best choice as a weapon. It looks scary and is a popular fun gun to shoot because the small caliber ammo is more affordable than a lot of other sized ammo. Also the AR-15 has very little kick to it again making it fun to shoot.
Good for popping a few prairie dogs but not much else.

People go after the AR-15 simply because it looks scary and is one of the most popular guns.

kargen
Member
Fri Jul 27 17:21:16
Oh and if we enforced the rules we have on the books now few crazy people would be getting guns depending of course on what your definition of crazy is.
Forwyn
Member
Fri Jul 27 17:45:11
What do you classify as the first incident?

Whitman used a Rem700 and M1 in the UT tower shooting.

McDonald's shooter used a pistol, Uzi, and shotgun.

Luby's shooter used pistols, VT shooter used pistols.

Columbine shooters used a Tec-9, Hi-Point Carbine, and a couple shotguns.

Jonesboro shooters used a Rem742 and M1 Carbine.

Yeah, 6/10 of the most deadly US mass shootings used AR platforms. They're also in the last four years. As you go past the top-10, and further back than 2015, that share drops.

Certainly ARs being used for school shootings wasn't a prevalent issue when the AWB passed, using Luby's as justification.
Sam Adams
Member
Mon Jul 30 10:39:04
Lol cuckhat owned forever on this one.
hood
Member
Mon Jul 30 10:46:44
"As for the glock, stop getting butt hurt over a counterstrike joke. Literally half the gun nutters I know come from the gamers gate community and love counterstrike."

What the actual fuck?
Pillz
Member
Mon Jul 30 11:00:33
Cuckhat is as disconnected from reality as Hot Rod.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Jul 30 11:05:47
"If they didn't use a gun they would use something else."

Yes something less deadly usually. This is reflected in the similar levels of violence between the USA and say for instance Norway and Sweden, but the higher rates of violent deaths in the USA. Why? Because guns are better at killing people than fists and knives. This is perhaps especially relevant for all the deadly random arguing over a parking spot types of violence. No gun, you walk away with a shattered ego and a split lip instead of a body bag.

I support your right to own guns, but this idea that guns themselves technically play no role in deadly violence rate. It is stupid. It is like the pro abortion people saying "it is just a clump of cells", well actually it isn't just a clump of cells and guns are not just a weapon/tool, it is actually the most efficient weapon we have for personal use.

kargen
Member
Mon Jul 30 16:31:27
I don't agree that it is the most efficient weapon. It is the most convenient/easy weapon a lot of the time though. It is also often a weapon of opportunity. You can't say with certainty that a person willing to shoot someone over a parking lot wouldn't whomp them in the back of the head with a baseball bat as they are walking away.

All that aside as far as efficiency goes I can think of all kinds of ways to cause much more carnage than a gun can.

Again look at the rise in arson resulting in multiple deaths in Australia since Port Author. And I suppose you can look at acid attacks in the UK or incidents involving vehicles in crowded areas going through pedestrians across many countries.
obaminated
Member
Mon Jul 30 22:29:34
"Might as well link whole thing. Nothing I said was anything to be ashamed about."

Homie, pretty much everything youve said has been something to be ashamed about.

"This is reflected in the similar levels of violence between the USA and say for instance Norway and Sweden, but the higher rates of violent deaths in the USA. "

I believe those countries have high gun ownership, but they simply aren't prone to using them for street corners like "americans" do.

I wonder, genuinely, does Sweden have urban ghetto cities like Baltimore/Chicago/Detriot?

Most gun violence in America involves a specific race in specific instances.
Dukhat
Member
Mon Jul 30 23:00:46
Yes, the racist makes a racist argument. What a suprise.
Forwyn
Member
Mon Jul 30 23:28:12
Eh. It's been hashed out, but again, handguns account for, at minimum, 2/3 of gun homicides. It will exceed 70%, as 1/5 of homicides are "Firearms, type not stated". If it holds the same proportion as those listed, you're approaching 85% of all gun homicides.

In any case, if you're not suicidal, in a gang, or in a relationship with an abusive partner, your chances of dying to a firearm are astronomically low.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2010-2014.xls
Dukhat
Member
Mon Jul 30 23:37:51
Even one preventable gun death is too many. How come places with lots of guns like Iceland have almost no gundeaths (last one was 2007) ... oh right they basically implement every regulation in the book. Responsible gun ownership requires responsible gun laws.
obaminated
Member
Mon Jul 30 23:43:30
"This is reflected in the similar levels of violence between the USA and say for instance Norway and Sweden, but the higher rates of violent deaths in the USA. "

I believe those countries have high gun ownership, but they simply aren't prone to using them for street corners like "americans" do.

I wonder, genuinely, does Sweden have urban ghetto cities like Baltimore/Chicago/Detriot?

Most gun violence in America involves a specific race in specific instances.
obaminated
Member
Mon Jul 30 23:43:40
Cuckhat is a special type of stupid.
Rugian
Member
Tue Jul 31 05:03:49
Dukhat
Member Mon Jul 30 23:37:51
Even one preventable gun death is too many.


This is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. This is a country of 315,000,000 people, "even one instance of xyz" is a completely impracticable way to run things.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Jul 31 05:06:43

The liberals don't have a problem with it.

One person complains about a statue and it is gone even though it has been in place for a hundred years.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Jul 31 05:12:40

dukbrain - How come places with lots of guns like Iceland have almost no gundeaths...


In Iceland they seldom even have fistfights.

They stand nose to nose and scream at each other until one of them gets tired and gives up.

I read that somewhere decades ago. I can only assume it is true.




Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Jul 31 05:56:26
Kargen
>>I don't agree that it is the most efficient weapon. It is the most convenient/easy weapon a lot of the time though. It is also often a weapon of opportunity. You can't say with certainty that a person willing to shoot someone over a parking lot wouldn't whomp them in the back of the head with a baseball bat as they are walking away.<<

Convenience and ease of use is a large part of efficiency. If it takes you a life time to master a weapon, it isn't an "efficient" weapon. And you don't have to agree, we can test it out. You take a bullet to the head/chest and I will take a punch to the head/chest, let us validate our claims ;) People in Sweden walk around with baseball bats at a significantly lower rate than Americans walk around with guns. So that is our baseline, fists. I stick with crimes of passion because reasonably, those are the types of death that would diminish.

Obaminated
>>I believe those countries have high gun ownership, but they simply aren't prone to using them for street corners like "americans" do.<<

Not nearly as high and very stringent regulation and very very different guns. To own a handgun in Sweden, you need to join a gunsport club with all the expectations that it comes with, you have to be a gun nerd. You must store the weapons in regulated and by law mandated certified cabinets and only after you have been given permission by the police for _each_ gun you wish to own. And no they will not give you permission for an AR15 as your first gun, or likely to many people at all.

Most weapons you must store at the gunclub and safely during transport from and to place. So most guns here are hunting rifles and you don't conceal carry those. As a reference, police are not allowed to bring their guns home with them, only in special cases where there is a threat towards that policeman can this be exempted.

Now I think Swedish regulation is too stringent, but the general principle is sound. Guns require responsibility and you should EARN the right to have them. You should qualify for each type of gun. You guys wrote it in as an inalienable right, back when militias stood a chance. Today no amount of private guns will save you from the tyrant when he sends in drones and the Marines.
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