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FoxNEWS Member	Mon Jul 30 18:24:05 U.S. spy agencies are seeing signs that North Korea is constructing new missiles at a factory that produced the country’s first intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of reaching the United States, according to officials familiar with the intelligence. Newly obtained evidence, including satellite photos taken in recent weeks, indicates that work is underway on at least one and possibly two liquid-fueled ICBMs at a large research facility in Sanumdong, on the outskirts of Pyongyang, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe classified intelligence. The findings are the latest to show ongoing activity inside North Korea’s nuclear and missile facilities at a time when the country’s leaders are engaged in arms talks with the United States. The new intelligence does not suggest an expansion of North Korea’s capabilities but shows that work on advanced weapons is continuing weeks after President Trump declared in a Twitter posting that Pyongyang was “no longer a Nuclear Threat.” The reports about new missile construction come after recent revelations about a suspected uranium enrichment facility, called Kangson, that North Korea is operating in secret. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo acknowledged during Senate testimony last week that North Korean factories “continue to produce fissile material” used in making nuclear weapons. He declined to say whether Pyongyang is building new missiles. During a summit with Trump in June, North Korean leader Kim Jong Un agreed to a vaguely worded pledge to “work toward” the “denuclearization” of the Korean Peninsula. But since then, North Korea has made few tangible moves signaling an intention to disarm. Instead, senior North Korean officials have discussed their intention to deceive Washington about the number of nuclear warheads and missiles they have, as well as the types and numbers of facilities, and to rebuff international inspectors, according to intelligence gathered by U.S. agencies. Their strategy includes potentially asserting that they have fully denuclearized by declaring and disposing of 20 warheads while retaining dozens more. The Sanumdong factory has produced two of North Korea’s ICBMs, including the powerful Hwasong-15, the first with a proven range that could allow it to strike the U.S. East Coast. The newly obtained evidence points to ongoing work on at least one Hwasong-15 at the Sanumdong plant, according to imagery collected by the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency in recent weeks. “We see them going to work, just as before,” said one U.S. official, who, like the others, spoke on the condition of anonymity in discussing sensitive intelligence. The exception, the officials said, is the Sohae Satellite Launching Station on North Korea’s west coast, where workers can be observed dismantling an engine test stand, honoring a promise made to Trump at the summit. Many analysts and independent experts, however, see that dismantling as largely symbolic, since North Korea has now successfully launched ICBMs that use the kind of liquid-fueled engines tested at Sohae. Moreover, the test stand could easily be rebuilt within months. Buttressing the intelligence findings, independent missile experts this week also reported observing activity consistent with missile construction at the Sanumdong plant. The daily movement of supply trucks and other vehicles, as captured by commercial satellite photos, shows that the missile facility “is not dead, by any stretch of the imagination,” said Jeffrey Lewis, director of the East Asia Nonproliferation Program at the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies. The Monterey, Calif., nonprofit group analyzed commercial photos obtained from the satellite imagery firm Planet. “It’s active. We see shipping containers and vehicles coming and going,” Lewis said of the Sanumdong plant. “This is a facility where they build ICBMs and space-launch vehicles.” Intriguingly, one image, taken July 7, depicts a bright-red covered trailer in a loading area. The trailer appears identical to those used by North Korea in the past to transport ICBMs. How the trailer was being used at the time of the photograph is unclear. Lewis’s group also published images of a large industrial facility that some U.S. intelligence analysts believe to be the Kangson uranium enrichment plant. The images, first reported by the online publication the Diplomat, depict a football-field-size building surrounded by a high wall, in North Korea’s Chollima-guyok district, southwest of the capital. The complex has a single, guarded entrance and features high-rise residential towers apparently used by workers. Historical satellite photos show that the facility was externally complete by 2003. U.S. intelligence agencies believe that it has been operational for at least a decade. If so, North Korea’s stockpile of enriched uranium could be substantially higher than is commonly believed. U.S. intelligence agencies in recent months increased their estimates of the size of North Korea’s nuclear arsenal, taking into account enriched uranium from at least one secret enrichment site. The Kangson facility was first publicly identified in May in a Washington Post article that cited research by nuclear weapons expert David Albright. Some European intelligence officials are not convinced that the Kangson site is used for uranium enrichment. But there is a broad consensus among U.S. intelligence agencies that Kangson is one of at least two secret enrichment plants. Several U.S. officials and private analysts said the continued activity inside North Korea’s weapons complex is not surprising, given that Kim made no public promise at the summit to halt work at the scores of nuclear and missiles facilities scattered around the country. The North Koreans “never agreed to give up their nuclear program,” said Ken Gause, a North Korea expert at the Center for Naval Analysis. And it is foolish to expect that they would do so — at the outset of talks, he said. “Regime survival and perpetuation of Kim family rule” are Kim’s guiding principles, he said. “The nuclear program provides them with a deterrent in their mind against regime change by the United States. Giving up the nuclear capability will violate the two fundamental centers of gravity in the North Korean regime.” Pompeo, at the Senate hearing last week, sought to assure lawmakers that the disarmament talks with North Korea remained on track and that the effort to dismantle the country’s nuclear arsenal was just getting underway. He brushed aside suggestions that the administration had been deceived by Kim. “We have not been taken for a ride,” he said. But some independent analysts think the Trump administration has misread Kim’s intentions, interpreting his commitment to eventual denuclearization as a promise to immediately surrender the country’s nuclear arsenal and dismantle its weapons factories. “We have this backward. North Korea is not negotiating to give up their nuclear weapons,” Lewis said. “They are negotiating for recognition of their nuclear weapons. They’re willing to put up with certain limits, like no nuclear testing and no ICBM testing. What they’re offering is: They keep the bomb, but they stop talking about it.” http://www...ing-on-new-missiles/ar-BBLhxFf
murder Member	Mon Jul 30 18:43:37 The only way to get rid of North Korean nukes is to blow them up, and despite Trump's tough talk, he simply doesn't have the cojones to do it.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Jul 30 19:53:05 Wait and see.
Hrothgar Member	Mon Jul 30 21:33:21 NK spends the next 2-6 years building missles and nukes secretly. As soon as a 'normal' president gets elected they start launching them again.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Jul 30 21:37:39 First, he will turn the sanctions to the *****MAX*****. including blockades of every port. Plus, all of the infrastructures in and out of China will be taken out. And they will continue to be destroyed as fast as they can be repaired. That is assuming this story is true. It is the Washington Post after all. I will believe it when I see those two extra Carrier Groups steaming into the area.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Jul 30 21:43:51 BTW, if there was anything to it then FOX NEWS would have the 'A' Staff in the studio by now and they would be all over it. Instead what they are talking about is basically what I heard earlier today. Including the story about what mannerisms your fellow passengers are showing when you fly.
hood Member	Mon Jul 30 22:03:03 fox news doesn't pick up stories that are negative to the republicans, so don't expect much about this there.
Wrath of Orion Member	Mon Jul 30 22:17:02 I'm surprised Pedo Rod can even breathe with his head so far into the sand.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Jul 30 22:19:39 Trump will need to see the DNC server before he can trust this intelligence also, to any Trump defenders suggesting Trump only means news is biased, note how his fan reacts: "That is assuming this story is true. It is the Washington Post after all." ...not that there was any way to spin 'sources don't exist' to claim he only means biased Trump is a clear & present danger to knowledge & the nation
Forwyn Member	Tue Jul 31 00:02:52 ^This intel is undoubtedly independently verified, instead of the assessment of a private firm
werewolf dictator Member	Tue Jul 31 05:43:36 trump has punked north korea.. on usa side.. north korea has been given *nothing* to date.. * trump has not provided nk with economic assistance.. * trump has renewed and continued to push enforcement of sanctions * usa has yet to miss usually timed foal eagle exercises [wake me in spring 2019].. and usa was practicing inchon style amphibious landings with south korean troops like yesterday in rimpac drills * trump is getting in way of deal to end korean war [which north korea clearly wants] on nk side.. they have given up multiple things.. while otherwise maintaining status quo ante.. * nk returned bodies of usa soldiers.. * nk dismantled sohae key missile test site [or at least that was headline and narrative description of other washington post article by different writer a few days ago..] * nk has stpped missile and nuclear tests.. * “new intelligence does not suggest an expansion of North Korea’s capabilities” according to even 4th paragraph of op inflammatory-spin article.. when “Kim made no public promise at the summit to halt” such work.. and “it is foolish to expect that they would do so — at the outset of talks”.. [so status quo ante for this “news”] * there has been no “Nuclear Threat from North Korea” for a long time [even during foal eagle 2018].. whereas nk used to explicitly threaten to nuke usa regularly.. [ps washington post historical track record on wmd reporting is as laughable as david icke reporting on reptilians.. they are fake news enemy of the people]
murder Member	Tue Jul 31 05:59:18 "I will believe it when I see those two extra Carrier Groups steaming into the area." You mean like the last time ... and then it turned out that one of them wasn't anywhere near there and had no intention of going? I'll believe it when the bombs actually fall and take out their nukes.
American Democrat Member	Tue Jul 31 06:15:08 "on usa side.. north korea has been given *nothing* to date.. * trump has not provided nk with economic assistance.. * trump has renewed and continued to push enforcement of sanctions * usa has yet to miss usually timed foal eagle exercises [wake me in spring 2019].. and usa was practicing inchon style amphibious landings with south korean troops like yesterday in rimpac drills * trump is getting in way of deal to end korean war [which north korea clearly wants] " Interesting, you type this as some sort of achievement which would be the same stances as USA had done, except in this instance you are incorrect. Trump has given them something. Unlike Trump's predecessors; he as acknowledged the Dictator and given him legitimacy upon the world stage. Even with the conflict of interest propose by Trump himself of relisting North Korea on this of State Sponsor of Terror. But of course according to Trump NK's dictator is a "good person." As well as "loves his people" and is a "strong and good leader." The show of compliments should be quite telling. But you can pretend that Trump didn't give NK or Kim Jun Un anything. As to what North Korea really wants, is the unification of the Korea peninsula and have complete influence and dominance. "on nk side.. they have given up multiple things.. while otherwise maintaining status quo ante.. * nk returned bodies of usa soldiers.. * nk dismantled sohae key missile test site [or at least that was headline and narrative description of other washington post article by different writer a few days ago..] * nk has stpped missile and nuclear tests.. * “new intelligence does not suggest an expansion of North Korea’s capabilities” according to even 4th paragraph of op inflammatory-spin article.. when “Kim made no public promise at the summit to halt” such work.. and “it is foolish to expect that they would do so — at the outset of talks”.. [so status quo ante for this “news”] * there has been no “Nuclear Threat from North Korea” for a long time [even during foal eagle 2018].. whereas nk used to explicitly threaten to nuke usa regularly.. [ps washington post historical track record on wmd reporting is as laughable as david icke reporting on reptilians.. they are fake news enemy of the people] " The returning of US soldiers' remains is not a new concept as this also happened in the 2000s. The "spin" would be the appearance that Trump was the only President/Administration to do this, which is false. And I also suspect that you wanted to give that appearance as well. The dismantling of the missile without true verification of what has actually transpired, because the agreement did not include any inspectors to independently verify, could most probable a ruse. Especially to the gullible person, which may include yourself to believe that NK is pro-actively ending it's programs. Facts and this report suggests differently. Which was the focus of the summit, that didn't include any agreement other than the usual tongue and check that was another example history repeating itself. However, Trump's base, which again I suspect you are definitely apart of, takes this as something that is completely a new course and great victory. Indeed status quo. Leading to the missile tests, as it stopped, which follows the pattern as well when there is a lull in their tests. Again history repeating itself. A combination of variables exists. They got what they needed and testing missiles can take a break. And use the current distraction of the gullible Trump including his supporters, because they think that all these "good things" NK is doing is "compliance" to the "agreement" as they continue (which intelligence claims) to continue their program anyway. Yes, it's like NK never has done this before. What is laughable is your continue unwavering allegiance to a President who is on record for lying for a living, and daily to the president people. And brainwashed, gullible fools continuously believing every word he says, despite that facts that counter it. Also, do not except this as in invitation for a debate. Clearly the forums know the substance in your cup is the bathwater of Trump.
American Democrat Member	Tue Jul 31 06:15:43 *accept
Rugian Member	Tue Jul 31 06:24:04 "despite Trump's tough talk, he simply doesn't have the cojones to do it." Unlike you, you total badass. Hell, we should just elect murder, he'd make a pretty cool president and doesn't afraid of anything.
murder Member	Tue Jul 31 07:46:54 There wouldn't be any need to bomb N.Korea ... because I'd start out by nuking the fuck out of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Once Pakistan got wrecked, it would be clear to shit ass little countries that nukes make them targets for nukes, rather than ensuring their security. And I'd punch Russia and China in the mouth too. So no, you probably wouldn't want me to be President even for 1 day.
hood Member	Tue Jul 31 09:30:44 Mr. "I'm a good person, wait let me go nuke a few countries" murder.
Delude Member	Tue Jul 31 09:34:44 Level of hypocrisy rising
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Jul 31 11:04:50 “We got back our great fallen heroes, the remains sent back today, already 200 got sent back” ~Trump - Jun 20 over a month later, 55 possible remains actually get returned Trump lies about every single thing, even dead vets
murder Member	Tue Jul 31 11:14:48 "Mr. "I'm a good person, wait let me go nuke a few countries" murder." You must be new here. I don't value all life the same. Some life I don't value at all. Some I consider toxic. I'd wipe out most of the human life on this planet if I could. Hell, I'd wipe out half the human life in the US if I could. Also an fyi since you seem to be new to the party ... killing is only wrong if it's unjust. Rape on the other hand is wrong in all circumstances.
Seb Member	Tue Jul 31 13:44:10 North Korea did not agree to cease building new missiles or nukes. Only to stop testing.
murder Member	Tue Jul 31 14:25:02 Trump doesn't even care. All he cares about is the appearance of victory. If Kim Jong Fool came out and praised Trump as a tough leader and a great negotiator and said that he was giving in to all of Trump's demands, he could go right on producing nukes and ICBMs undisturbed, because Trump would have gotten the only thing he cares about.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Jul 31 16:04:50 Trump has made perfectly clear what denuclearization means and he will prevail.
Cold Rod Member	Tue Jul 31 16:07:11 You're dumb. So, so dumb.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Jul 31 16:13:43 There is another one sniffing my ass like a mangy cur.
Seb Member	Tue Jul 31 16:32:15 HotRod: And kim made clear what he agreed to and understands by denuclearise too. If you look at what they publically committed to vs what Trump announced, the simple issue is he has oversold it to the public.
Seb Member	Tue Jul 31 16:36:38 No didn't punk trump. Trump punked America. Again.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Jul 31 20:27:54 I'll stick with Trump.
Seb Member	Wed Aug 01 05:28:02 Hot Rod: "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed Aug 01 06:55:05 Seb, I am not prepared to give up on Trump until there is empirical evidence that Kim is cheating. Empirical evidence for me is President Trump adding more restrictions to NK's economy. With the liberal media's penchant for ignoring the truth in favor of hating Trump, I do not trust a word they say or print.
murder Member	Wed Aug 01 07:04:54 "With the liberal media's penchant for ignoring the truth in favor of hating Trump, I do not trust a word they say or print." That would be more credible if you believed anything Trump said or printed. He is on record contradicting himself, flip-flopping, double talking, and flat out lying about a million times, and it doesn't shake your allegiance at all. He has flat out admitted that he lies and that he says whatever he thinks will benefit him, and it doesn't matter. He has bragged that he can do whatever the hell he likes including killing people, and his supporters won't care ... and his supporters don't care. Face it, you joined a cult.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed Aug 01 07:05:46 *-restrictions = sanctions. I have no idea I cannot think of that word when I want it.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed Aug 01 07:06:30 *-idea why I
Seb Member	Wed Aug 01 12:09:27 HotRod: Well that's meta. There's lots of empirical evidence to suggest they are building new missiles, but building new missiles doesn't actually violate any agreement.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed Aug 01 12:20:01 Seb, I imagine they are still working on a definitive agreement. Those things take a lot of time. If they are still building missiles it is understandable. President Trump is maintaining the sanctions on NK so why shouldn't they keep building missiles? Seems reasonable since it is the only card they have to play.
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