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murder
Member Fri Aug 10 05:50:44
Anyone expecting a conviction better prepare for disappointment.

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Manafort trial Day 8

The federal judge overseeing the Paul Manafort trial took another shot at special counsel Robert Mueller's team Thursday afternoon.

By JOSH GERSTEIN and DARREN SAMUELSOHN

08/09/2018 09:59 AM EDT

Updated 08/09/2018 07:43 PM EDT

The federal judge overseeing the Paul Manafort trial took another shot at special counsel Robert Mueller's team Thursday afternoon, even after conceding earlier in the day that a criticism he leveled at prosecutors on Wednesday was erroneous.

The prosecution spent about 40 minutes Thursday afternoon questioning a bank employee about Manafort’s unsuccessful effort to get a $5.5 million construction loan on a Brooklyn brownstone, only to have Judge T.S. Ellis III suggest that the issue was unworthy of such extensive discussion at the trial. Notably, Ellis made the remark with the jury present.

“You might want to spend time on a loan that was granted,” the judge scoffed as prosecutor Uzo Asonye sat down after concluding his questioning of Citizens Bank employee Taryn Rodriguez.

That prompted Asonye, who had sat down, to jump back up.

“Your honor, this is a charged count in the indictment,” the prosecutor said.

“I know that,” Ellis shot back.

The tense exchange was the latest example of Ellis making comments that could lead jurors to question the prosecution's case or its tactics in the tax- and bank-fraud trial that opened last week.

Read the rest here: http://www...trial-day-8-judge-ellis-769889

murder
Member Fri Aug 10 06:28:40

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(Judge) Ellis chastised Asonye in court on Wednesday moments after he called Welch to the stand. "It's my clear recollection ... that I wasn't admitting experts," Ellis said. "You need to ask specifically. You're going to go ahead now, I'm going to permit that, but I want you to remember that."

Asonye responded that prosecutors would "check the transcript," but it was their belief that they specifically asked for permission to allow expert witnesses like Welch to remain in the courtroom despite the usual prohibition.

"Well, let me be clear: I don't care what the transcript says," Ellis snapped, before backing down a little. "Maybe I made a mistake. But I want you to remember. Don't do that again. When I exclude witnesses, I mean everybody. Now, it may be that I didn't make that clear."

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Forwyn
Member Fri Aug 10 09:16:28
rofl

“I understand how frustrated you are,” U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III said during the discussion. “In fact, there’s tears in your eyes right now.’’

When Prosecutor Greg Andres protested that he didn’t have tears in his eyes, the judge shot back: “Well, they’re watery.”

chuck
Member Fri Aug 10 09:38:06
Aug 09: Manafort Judge Apologizes to Prosecutors for His Behavior

obaminated
Member Fri Aug 10 09:47:18
This is hilarious. I want Manafort to get off just to watch the left have meltdowns while defending Mueller's team as still being respectable despite finding very toothless shit.... and no collusion with the russian govt.

mexicantardnado
Member Fri Aug 10 09:54:48
Duuuuur I dont duuuur care duuuur about duuur principles duuuur I want duuur that swamp to duuuur exist duuuur

Forwyn
Member Fri Aug 10 10:51:56
"We just had a shit judge! REEEEEE"

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Aug 10 11:10:36
apparently prosecutors are asking judge to correct his nonsense again in a private meeting

judges aren't supposed to be interfering this way, and definitely not w/ jury present

also... a Roger Stone aide has ignored his subpoena & now found in contempt

another victory for Team Trump!!! the supposed 'law & order' candidate who knows & cares nothing about law & order

Rugian
Member Fri Aug 10 11:17:44
I hope you're not seriously suggesting that Trump is responsible for a judge's behavior.

Even if that was the case though, all the judge is doing is trying to keep things moving expeditiously. No need to melt down over this.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Aug 10 11:22:25
i was referring to obaminated (mt) wanting what's good for Trump over actual justice (just like Trump himself)

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Aug 10 11:25:43
btw, this is the same judge who accused the prosecutors of only going after Manafort to get him to turn on Trump

judges become tyrants... they have contempt for the lawyers & anyone else in their courtroom/kingdom (except the jury who they treat like their grandkids)

this guy seems like he's been there way too long

if the witness is improper the defense objects w/ a legal objection & judge rules... the article isn't too detailed but if this witness is directly related to a charge as prosecutor claimed, its not up to the judge to simply find it uninteresting

obaminated
Member Fri Aug 10 11:45:16
And there we have it folks, the prepared talking point of the left for why Manafort gets off. His judge was a tyrant.

Not that, ya know, mueller never found shit and instead pursued a prosecution with zero teeth.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Aug 10 11:56:33
no, if he gets off it will because there are Trumpers like you on the jury who will ignore all evidence... the case is solid

mexicantardnado
Member Fri Aug 10 11:56:58
Duuuur I dont duuuur think duuur judges duuuur can have duur impact duuur during duuuur trials and juries duuuuur

obaminated
Member Fri Aug 10 12:25:40
"no, if he gets off it will because there are Trumpers like you on the jury who will ignore all evidence"

rofl

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Aug 10 12:30:31
you don't think that could happen?

Trump has tweeted Manafort is being treated unfairly and you total idiots trust him implicitly

obaminated
Member Fri Aug 10 12:59:39
I think you are assuming the justice system doesn't work with zero evidence and I found that depressing.

Manafort didnt collude with the russians, Mueller is trying to squeeze him with BS charges and the judge is calling his team out on it. It is pathetic and Big State trying to get what they want when they have zero evidence of getting anything, legally.

mexicantardnado
Member Fri Aug 10 13:05:27
Duuuuur I support duuuur tax evaders and duuuur traitors duuuur I believe in the swamp duuuur

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Aug 10 13:14:33
do you realize Manafort's partner (Rick Gates) has admitted to crimes? is he lying & voluntarily going to prison just in hopes Manafort will flip & provide info that you believe doesn't exist?

your theory makes no sense... multiple ways...

murder
Member Fri Aug 10 13:19:50

"I hope you're not seriously suggesting that Trump is responsible for a judge's behavior."

Not sure who this was directed at, but I blame the judge for the judges behavior. But this has been going on since day 1 of the trial. He may as well have just tossed the charges rather than go through this dog and pony show.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Aug 10 13:34:26
@mt, out of curiosity, did you decide all the Manafort charges were BS based on anything at all?

obviously typical Trump fans require nothing... just wondering how lost you are

obaminated
Member Fri Aug 10 14:26:29
i think manafort never colluded with russians, which is what mueller was hired to do. i think mueller is trying to blackmail manafort to roll on trump over anything/anything he can make up. this is clearly what the judge also concludes. sucks to be desperate from crimes done that were never done, eh?

murder
Member Fri Aug 10 14:29:54

No, that's not how this works. He's free to prosecute any crime that his investigation stumbles upon.

Which of course bothers you because laws (and social norms) don't apply to Republicans.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Aug 10 14:30:41
if there was no merit to the charges the case would've been dismissed

also why is Gates admitting they committed crimes together? what's his angle? less jail time for crimes that never happened in the first place?

kargen
Member Fri Aug 10 14:56:47
Gates already admitted to some crimes. His angle could be he needs Manafort to be found guilty so all the wrong doing isn't just him doing it. Basically he might need a fall guy for shit other than what he has already confessed to.

Or he knows his deal depends on him telling the truth so he is?

The jury will have to decide if his story is true or not.
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The judges behavior is typical for him in all his cases. He expects a certain decorum in his court and will jump on either side if he feels they are straying off course. He likes things to stay on point and moves the case along as fast as he can. Lawyers that have appeared before him say while the trial is going on it can be painful and excruciating but he is fair and gets things right in the end.

So we should probably expect him to get on the defense some when it is their turn to present should they wander in a direction he thinks isn't penitent to the case.

I haven't been paying real close attention to the case but from the bit I have seen/read I think he is guilty of all kinds of things. Either that or he is really really stupid as he would have to be really really stupid to not know about all the illegal activity going on around him.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Aug 10 15:10:28
i think it's likely the investigators have examined Gates' story thoroughly & determined Manafort is indeed in on it... especially since other people say Manafort involved as well, & lots of documentary evidence

and you (kargen) should be concerned that people like mt exist, who have decided Manafort is innocent because that's best for Trump rather than any factual information

and all the other misinformation they are accepting from the least credible individual imaginable

werewolf dictator
Member Fri Aug 10 15:21:58
mueller’s star witness [gates] testified that manafort pushed yanukovych to pursue ‘engage ukraine’ strategy of seeking to enter european union

so.. manafort was working *against* russia and putin

so why is manafort being prosecuted by ‘russia investigator’..

sure maybe manafort is corrupt and evades taxes.. like probably a significant percentage of political professionals in washington [who normally wouldnt be investigated or seriously charged]

but as judge ellis noted.. mueller does not care about manafort at all.. he just wants to get trump impeached or whatever.. sometimes prosecutors seek to make defendent ‘sing’ for his life.. and sometimes prosecutors seek to make defendents ‘compose’

kargen
Member Fri Aug 10 15:28:36
I think MT's purpose is to follow obaminated around saying duuur.

That aside many Trump supporters remind me of Bronco fans when I lived in Denver. I was in a bar watching the game and John Elway threw an interception. I'm not a Bronco fan at all and I commented on the interception. The reply was yeah but did you see how far he threw it.

There are also Trump supporters that wish he would lay off the tweets and quit playing cat and mouse with the press.

murder
Member Fri Aug 10 15:34:28
obaminated is MT ... I'm pretty sure.

mexicantardnado just exists to stalk him.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Aug 10 15:34:46
well obaminated IS the original 'mt'... i'm not referring to his troll (tardnado)

i know there are different levels of delusion to Trump fans... but there is definitely a very disturbing batch out there

murder
Member Fri Aug 10 16:19:27

We need to pin a roster to the top of the forum with every member and their aliases. It's tough to keep up.

kargen
Member Fri Aug 10 16:34:39
I posted twice using the name Spaceman Spiff many years ago. Other than that everything else has been as kargen.

murder
Member Fri Aug 10 16:57:34

I started out using XX2 and murder inc ... and then switched to murder. Not a single troll account on this board.

I used a few other names back in the day on the Earth:2025 boards and possibly the old UP, but those are long forgotten.

obaminated
Member Fri Aug 10 20:18:42
I am the original MT, i lost a bet to Nim I believe and I have never bothered to go back to my original handle. At this point ive had this handle for longer than I had mexicantornado.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Fri Aug 10 22:01:45

I am not afraid to list my multis, I have done it before.

The trouble is the multis on to days forum are nothing but a bunch of chickenshit who wants to be anybody but who they are ass hole liberals.

They are nothing but a sad bunch of babies.

Pillz
Member Fri Aug 10 22:04:56
I haven't used a multi since the swirve days. I didn't have that many though.

Hot Rod
Revved Up Fri Aug 10 22:08:47

I have used Hot Rod exclusively since I got caught using the Guardian.

UP Factcheck
Member Sat Aug 11 04:54:04
Claim: "I am not afraid to list my multis, I have done it before. "

According to various records. The only time Hot Rod's multis were listed was when other posters pointed them out and confronted Hot Rod about them. Even at that point Hot Rod, vehemently denied them until the evidence, posts, and various links were shown that implicated him. In fact, when those instances occurred, Hot Rod continued to deny them.

Another poster decided to make a list of posters that they felt were disingenuous and retarded. Which included again the various handles Hot Rod used. Again Hot Rod defied them. Until his admittance and had no choice but only volunteered a few only after some were revealed by other posters.

Result: Half-true; it is true that Hot Rod listed a few of his multis. But that his claim of not being "afraid" in a subjective use of the term, of listing his multi's is false. Only then he has taken a hypocritical stance in regards to multis; "a bunch of chickenshit who wants to be anybody...." Where he himself have/has/had/and possibly still does use multis.

murder
Member Sun Aug 12 08:37:52

"So we should probably expect him to get on the defense some when it is their turn to present should they wander in a direction he thinks isn't penitent to the case."

Why would the defense bother to call any witnesses?

The judge already did their job for them.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Tue Aug 14 12:02:18
Manafort defense rests without presenting a case

i guess banking on having some Trump zealot jurors (or that the judge's actions tainted case enough)

murder
Member Tue Aug 14 12:11:51

Seriously. The judge spent the entire trial doing everything he could to convince the jury that the prosecution had no legitimate case and was engaging in shady behavior.

Anything the defense could have presented would only hurt their case.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Tue Aug 14 12:13:58
there's also the chance the judge would've been grumpy & belligerent towards them too, so they avoid that possibility

murder
Member Tue Aug 14 12:16:24

Yeah ... I'm not buying that. He clearly had a dog in this fight.

Forwyn
Member Tue Aug 14 13:56:26
Is it a two-headed dog?

"Ellis denied Manafort's request to throw out bank fraud and other charges against him, after considering a procedural motion where he could have intervened if he believed the prosecution hadn't adequately presented its case to the jury."

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murder Member	Fri Aug 10 05:50:44 Anyone expecting a conviction better prepare for disappointment. =============================================== Manafort trial Day 8 The federal judge overseeing the Paul Manafort trial took another shot at special counsel Robert Mueller's team Thursday afternoon. By JOSH GERSTEIN and DARREN SAMUELSOHN 08/09/2018 09:59 AM EDT Updated 08/09/2018 07:43 PM EDT The federal judge overseeing the Paul Manafort trial took another shot at special counsel Robert Mueller's team Thursday afternoon, even after conceding earlier in the day that a criticism he leveled at prosecutors on Wednesday was erroneous. The prosecution spent about 40 minutes Thursday afternoon questioning a bank employee about Manafort’s unsuccessful effort to get a $5.5 million construction loan on a Brooklyn brownstone, only to have Judge T.S. Ellis III suggest that the issue was unworthy of such extensive discussion at the trial. Notably, Ellis made the remark with the jury present. “You might want to spend time on a loan that was granted,” the judge scoffed as prosecutor Uzo Asonye sat down after concluding his questioning of Citizens Bank employee Taryn Rodriguez. That prompted Asonye, who had sat down, to jump back up. “Your honor, this is a charged count in the indictment,” the prosecutor said. “I know that,” Ellis shot back. The tense exchange was the latest example of Ellis making comments that could lead jurors to question the prosecution's case or its tactics in the tax- and bank-fraud trial that opened last week. Read the rest here: http://www...trial-day-8-judge-ellis-769889
murder Member	Fri Aug 10 06:28:40 ============================================== (Judge) Ellis chastised Asonye in court on Wednesday moments after he called Welch to the stand. "It's my clear recollection ... that I wasn't admitting experts," Ellis said. "You need to ask specifically. You're going to go ahead now, I'm going to permit that, but I want you to remember that." Asonye responded that prosecutors would "check the transcript," but it was their belief that they specifically asked for permission to allow expert witnesses like Welch to remain in the courtroom despite the usual prohibition. "Well, let me be clear: I don't care what the transcript says," Ellis snapped, before backing down a little. "Maybe I made a mistake. But I want you to remember. Don't do that again. When I exclude witnesses, I mean everybody. Now, it may be that I didn't make that clear." ==============================================
Forwyn Member	Fri Aug 10 09:16:28 rofl “I understand how frustrated you are,” U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III said during the discussion. “In fact, there’s tears in your eyes right now.’’ When Prosecutor Greg Andres protested that he didn’t have tears in his eyes, the judge shot back: “Well, they’re watery.”
chuck Member	Fri Aug 10 09:38:06 Aug 09: Manafort Judge Apologizes to Prosecutors for His Behavior
obaminated Member	Fri Aug 10 09:47:18 This is hilarious. I want Manafort to get off just to watch the left have meltdowns while defending Mueller's team as still being respectable despite finding very toothless shit.... and no collusion with the russian govt.
mexicantardnado Member	Fri Aug 10 09:54:48 Duuuuur I dont duuuur care duuuur about duuur principles duuuur I want duuur that swamp to duuuur exist duuuur
Forwyn Member	Fri Aug 10 10:51:56 "We just had a shit judge! REEEEEE"
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 10 11:10:36 apparently prosecutors are asking judge to correct his nonsense again in a private meeting judges aren't supposed to be interfering this way, and definitely not w/ jury present also... a Roger Stone aide has ignored his subpoena & now found in contempt another victory for Team Trump!!! the supposed 'law & order' candidate who knows & cares nothing about law & order
Rugian Member	Fri Aug 10 11:17:44 I hope you're not seriously suggesting that Trump is responsible for a judge's behavior. Even if that was the case though, all the judge is doing is trying to keep things moving expeditiously. No need to melt down over this.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 10 11:22:25 i was referring to obaminated (mt) wanting what's good for Trump over actual justice (just like Trump himself)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 10 11:25:43 btw, this is the same judge who accused the prosecutors of only going after Manafort to get him to turn on Trump judges become tyrants... they have contempt for the lawyers & anyone else in their courtroom/kingdom (except the jury who they treat like their grandkids) this guy seems like he's been there way too long if the witness is improper the defense objects w/ a legal objection & judge rules... the article isn't too detailed but if this witness is directly related to a charge as prosecutor claimed, its not up to the judge to simply find it uninteresting
obaminated Member	Fri Aug 10 11:45:16 And there we have it folks, the prepared talking point of the left for why Manafort gets off. His judge was a tyrant. Not that, ya know, mueller never found shit and instead pursued a prosecution with zero teeth.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 10 11:56:33 no, if he gets off it will because there are Trumpers like you on the jury who will ignore all evidence... the case is solid
mexicantardnado Member	Fri Aug 10 11:56:58 Duuuur I dont duuuur think duuur judges duuuur can have duur impact duuur during duuuur trials and juries duuuuur
obaminated Member	Fri Aug 10 12:25:40 "no, if he gets off it will because there are Trumpers like you on the jury who will ignore all evidence" rofl
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 10 12:30:31 you don't think that could happen? Trump has tweeted Manafort is being treated unfairly and you total idiots trust him implicitly
obaminated Member	Fri Aug 10 12:59:39 I think you are assuming the justice system doesn't work with zero evidence and I found that depressing. Manafort didnt collude with the russians, Mueller is trying to squeeze him with BS charges and the judge is calling his team out on it. It is pathetic and Big State trying to get what they want when they have zero evidence of getting anything, legally.
mexicantardnado Member	Fri Aug 10 13:05:27 Duuuuur I support duuuur tax evaders and duuuur traitors duuuur I believe in the swamp duuuur
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 10 13:14:33 do you realize Manafort's partner (Rick Gates) has admitted to crimes? is he lying & voluntarily going to prison just in hopes Manafort will flip & provide info that you believe doesn't exist? your theory makes no sense... multiple ways...
murder Member	Fri Aug 10 13:19:50 "I hope you're not seriously suggesting that Trump is responsible for a judge's behavior." Not sure who this was directed at, but I blame the judge for the judges behavior. But this has been going on since day 1 of the trial. He may as well have just tossed the charges rather than go through this dog and pony show.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 10 13:34:26 @mt, out of curiosity, did you decide all the Manafort charges were BS based on anything at all? obviously typical Trump fans require nothing... just wondering how lost you are
obaminated Member	Fri Aug 10 14:26:29 i think manafort never colluded with russians, which is what mueller was hired to do. i think mueller is trying to blackmail manafort to roll on trump over anything/anything he can make up. this is clearly what the judge also concludes. sucks to be desperate from crimes done that were never done, eh?
murder Member	Fri Aug 10 14:29:54 No, that's not how this works. He's free to prosecute any crime that his investigation stumbles upon. Which of course bothers you because laws (and social norms) don't apply to Republicans.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 10 14:30:41 if there was no merit to the charges the case would've been dismissed also why is Gates admitting they committed crimes together? what's his angle? less jail time for crimes that never happened in the first place?
kargen Member	Fri Aug 10 14:56:47 Gates already admitted to some crimes. His angle could be he needs Manafort to be found guilty so all the wrong doing isn't just him doing it. Basically he might need a fall guy for shit other than what he has already confessed to. Or he knows his deal depends on him telling the truth so he is? The jury will have to decide if his story is true or not. ----------------- The judges behavior is typical for him in all his cases. He expects a certain decorum in his court and will jump on either side if he feels they are straying off course. He likes things to stay on point and moves the case along as fast as he can. Lawyers that have appeared before him say while the trial is going on it can be painful and excruciating but he is fair and gets things right in the end. So we should probably expect him to get on the defense some when it is their turn to present should they wander in a direction he thinks isn't penitent to the case. I haven't been paying real close attention to the case but from the bit I have seen/read I think he is guilty of all kinds of things. Either that or he is really really stupid as he would have to be really really stupid to not know about all the illegal activity going on around him.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 10 15:10:28 i think it's likely the investigators have examined Gates' story thoroughly & determined Manafort is indeed in on it... especially since other people say Manafort involved as well, & lots of documentary evidence and you (kargen) should be concerned that people like mt exist, who have decided Manafort is innocent because that's best for Trump rather than any factual information and all the other misinformation they are accepting from the least credible individual imaginable
werewolf dictator Member	Fri Aug 10 15:21:58 mueller’s star witness [gates] testified that manafort pushed yanukovych to pursue ‘engage ukraine’ strategy of seeking to enter european union so.. manafort was working against russia and putin so why is manafort being prosecuted by ‘russia investigator’.. sure maybe manafort is corrupt and evades taxes.. like probably a significant percentage of political professionals in washington [who normally wouldnt be investigated or seriously charged] but as judge ellis noted.. mueller does not care about manafort at all.. he just wants to get trump impeached or whatever.. sometimes prosecutors seek to make defendent ‘sing’ for his life.. and sometimes prosecutors seek to make defendents ‘compose’
kargen Member	Fri Aug 10 15:28:36 I think MT's purpose is to follow obaminated around saying duuur. That aside many Trump supporters remind me of Bronco fans when I lived in Denver. I was in a bar watching the game and John Elway threw an interception. I'm not a Bronco fan at all and I commented on the interception. The reply was yeah but did you see how far he threw it. There are also Trump supporters that wish he would lay off the tweets and quit playing cat and mouse with the press.
murder Member	Fri Aug 10 15:34:28 obaminated is MT ... I'm pretty sure. mexicantardnado just exists to stalk him.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 10 15:34:46 well obaminated IS the original 'mt'... i'm not referring to his troll (tardnado) i know there are different levels of delusion to Trump fans... but there is definitely a very disturbing batch out there
murder Member	Fri Aug 10 16:19:27 We need to pin a roster to the top of the forum with every member and their aliases. It's tough to keep up.
kargen Member	Fri Aug 10 16:34:39 I posted twice using the name Spaceman Spiff many years ago. Other than that everything else has been as kargen.
murder Member	Fri Aug 10 16:57:34 I started out using XX2 and murder inc ... and then switched to murder. Not a single troll account on this board. I used a few other names back in the day on the Earth:2025 boards and possibly the old UP, but those are long forgotten.
obaminated Member	Fri Aug 10 20:18:42 I am the original MT, i lost a bet to Nim I believe and I have never bothered to go back to my original handle. At this point ive had this handle for longer than I had mexicantornado.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Fri Aug 10 22:01:45 I am not afraid to list my multis, I have done it before. The trouble is the multis on to days forum are nothing but a bunch of chickenshit who wants to be anybody but who they are ass hole liberals. They are nothing but a sad bunch of babies.
Pillz Member	Fri Aug 10 22:04:56 I haven't used a multi since the swirve days. I didn't have that many though.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Fri Aug 10 22:08:47 I have used Hot Rod exclusively since I got caught using the Guardian.
UP Factcheck Member	Sat Aug 11 04:54:04 Claim: "I am not afraid to list my multis, I have done it before. " According to various records. The only time Hot Rod's multis were listed was when other posters pointed them out and confronted Hot Rod about them. Even at that point Hot Rod, vehemently denied them until the evidence, posts, and various links were shown that implicated him. In fact, when those instances occurred, Hot Rod continued to deny them. Another poster decided to make a list of posters that they felt were disingenuous and retarded. Which included again the various handles Hot Rod used. Again Hot Rod defied them. Until his admittance and had no choice but only volunteered a few only after some were revealed by other posters. Result: Half-true; it is true that Hot Rod listed a few of his multis. But that his claim of not being "afraid" in a subjective use of the term, of listing his multi's is false. Only then he has taken a hypocritical stance in regards to multis; "a bunch of chickenshit who wants to be anybody...." Where he himself have/has/had/and possibly still does use multis.
murder Member	Sun Aug 12 08:37:52 "So we should probably expect him to get on the defense some when it is their turn to present should they wander in a direction he thinks isn't penitent to the case." Why would the defense bother to call any witnesses? The judge already did their job for them.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Aug 14 12:02:18 Manafort defense rests without presenting a case i guess banking on having some Trump zealot jurors (or that the judge's actions tainted case enough)
murder Member	Tue Aug 14 12:11:51 Seriously. The judge spent the entire trial doing everything he could to convince the jury that the prosecution had no legitimate case and was engaging in shady behavior. Anything the defense could have presented would only hurt their case.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Aug 14 12:13:58 there's also the chance the judge would've been grumpy & belligerent towards them too, so they avoid that possibility
murder Member	Tue Aug 14 12:16:24 Yeah ... I'm not buying that. He clearly had a dog in this fight.
Forwyn Member	Tue Aug 14 13:56:26 Is it a two-headed dog? "Ellis denied Manafort's request to throw out bank fraud and other charges against him, after considering a procedural motion where he could have intervened if he believed the prosecution hadn't adequately presented its case to the jury."
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