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Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Aug 14 05:34:09

http://sco...ee471773d57f2f4c7a&oe=5C0AFB2E

Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Aug 14 05:35:32
Surreal.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Aug 14 08:49:04

I hope you guys do not miss this incredible photo.

Nekran
Member
Tue Aug 14 09:00:18
Before this image was attached to the wildfire claim, it was shared with the following caption on Reddit: “Altocumulus clouds & a sunset at 30,000ft.”


Still an incredible photo, but not the wlidfires.
hood
Member
Tue Aug 14 09:08:48
Fake News Hot Rod at it again.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Tue Aug 14 09:09:29
Oh, Retard Rod, how easily you are fooled.
Sam Adams
Member
Tue Aug 14 09:12:01
Nekran is correct.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Aug 14 09:43:10

What do you guys think is causing the red beneath the clouds?

Surely not the sunset.

Wrath of Orion
Member
Tue Aug 14 09:44:03
Yes, the sunset is illuminating the clouds from below.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Aug 14 09:46:38

If you do believe the sunset is causing the red then please tell me what the sunset is reflecting off of?

Wrath of Orion
Member
Tue Aug 14 09:49:29
...

You do realize at 30,000 feet it's possible for the sun to appear (visually, from your perspective) below a thin layer of clouds, right? It doesn't need to reflect off anything...

Jesus fucking christ...
hood
Member
Tue Aug 14 09:51:36
#alternativefacts
Sam Adams
Member
Tue Aug 14 11:12:07
Woo is correct.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Aug 14 11:25:09

I concede to Sam but not the wrath of onion.

Wrath of Orion
Member
Tue Aug 14 11:32:56
Aww, Retard Rod is butthurt that he posted misinformation yet again.
smart dude
Member
Tue Aug 14 11:38:06
Oh look, the low IQ Trump-voter was deceived by something on the Internet.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Aug 14 11:40:14

I don't mind being wrong, that is how one learns.

The trouble with liberals is when you guys are proven wrong you go hide under the porch with your tails between your legs.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Aug 14 11:41:06

Does not change the fact it is a beautiful photo.

Wrath of Orion
Member
Tue Aug 14 11:49:02
"I don't mind being wrong, that is how one learns."

Well, you are hardly ever correct, so it's probably good you don't mind being wrong. You'd be miserable otherwise. As for learning, yes it's true, most people learn from being wrong. However, it has become obvious over the years that you do not. Nice try, though.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Aug 14 11:51:48

You are wrong far more than I an onion.

murder
Member
Tue Aug 14 11:55:02

"You are wrong far more than I an onion."

lol! :o)

murder
Member
Tue Aug 14 11:56:13

I had no idea you were an onion. :o)

Wrath of Orion
Member
Tue Aug 14 12:04:58
"You are wrong far more than I"

I don't think it's possible for a person to be wrong more than you. You are wrong far more than any other person I've ever encountered. It's like you have some kind of genetic disposition against facts and logic.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Tue Aug 14 12:06:27
Btw, this thread should be archived as further evidence of Retard Rod's idiocy.
The UP Archivist
Member
Tue Aug 14 12:14:49
Archived.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Aug 14 12:16:10

murder - I had no idea you were an onion. :o)


He is a joke.

Cold Rod
Member
Tue Aug 14 12:17:04
Hot Rod,you're dumb. So dumb.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Aug 14 12:19:15

cr = crashed record.

smart dude
Member
Tue Aug 14 12:19:56
"He is a joke."

Look at Rod being an idiot again. Look at your post, Rod. Then look at murder's post.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Aug 14 12:21:50

PLEASE GET YOUR GOD DAMNED COLD NOSE OUT OF MY ASS FIDO.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Aug 14 12:44:28

Now, this is what I call a cliff house.


http://i.p...cliff-house-lemony-snicket.jpg



Probably a fake, but an intriguing photo.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Aug 14 12:52:53

The Viral Picture Of 'Wildfires' Beneath Clouds Is Actually A Hawaiian Sunset
Marshall Shepherd
Marshall Shepherd
Contributor i
Science

It is a part of our daily lives now. Fake news and pictures on the Internet. It is baffling to me why someone would want to share information that is factually incorrect, but the lure of "likes," "shares," and "retweets" is addictive I suppose. Recently, a picture was getting around the Internet of a deck of altocumulus clouds over an eery reddish-orange glow. It was being shared as the California wildfires. It is not (Where is the smoke?). It's a sunset. I spoke with my colleague Dr. Owen Shieh, a meteorologist and Department Head at the Joint Typhoon Warning Center in Hawaii, who shared the original picture. Here is the real scoop and some science behind the picture.

Owen told me that the picture was simply of a sunset over Hawaiian ocean waters. Yep, that's it. It is not even volcanic activity as some have also reported. Owen reached out to me and said,

I’ve been trying to debunk this viral misinformation but to no avail....You are welcome to write about this on Forbes! I think a lot can be learned from this case...

The actual photo was take by Dr. Shieh's friend Nathan Province. It is an interesting optical spectacle as the light of the sunset was visible through a deck of altocumulus clouds. As I have written before in Forbes, when the sun is low on the horizon at sunset, light travels through more of the atmosphere. Shorter wavelengths like blue or violet are scattered out. If you have satellite TV, this is similar to the attenuation effect when rain causes signal loss. The scattering leaves longer wavelength colors like orange and red.

The sun at a low angle during sunset.S. Corfidi and NOAA

My colleague, retired NOAA scientist Dr. Stephen Corfidi, wrote an excellent essay on sunrises and sunsets. He points out that,
MORE FROM FORBES

Clouds catch the last red-orange rays of the setting sun and the first light of the dawn like a theatre screen, and reflect this light to the ground.

The best sunrises and sunsets are associated with middle to higher clouds present according to experts like Corfidi. Altocumulus clouds that were in the viral picture are middle level clouds. If there are small particles (aerosols) such as volcanic ash or dust, brilliant twilight afterglows are possible. Corfidi describes physics that may explain what is going on in the viral picture although I am speculating on the aerosol load on that particular day.

airborne pollutants do more than soften sky colors. They also enhance the attenuation of both direct and scattered light, especially when the sun is low in the sky......This effect is most noticeable in an airplane, shortly after take-off on a hazy evening: A seemingly bland sunset at the ground gives way to vivid color aloft as soon as the plane ascends beyond the haze. When the haze layer is shallow, a similar effect sometimes is evident at the surface....

Dr. Shieh shared with me in a direct message that he was very concerned about how easily this photo went viral. The article at this link even explores 5 reasons why people share fake images during natural disasters. It seems to boil down to confirmation bias, wanting to be a part of the conversation, trolling or attention, and the flawed assumption that "if it is published on the Internet it must be true." Dr. Shieh sums up his perspective,

The fact that fake news spreads faster than real news is something that truly concerns me, as not only a physical scientist but also now as a political scientist. It should concern ALL of us. The very future of our American Republic rests on our ability to distinguish fact from fiction, reason from passion. The most patriotic thing we can do as Americans and as citizens of *any* democratic country is to seek the facts. Period. In the words of Thomas Jefferson: “I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” So please, PLEASE double-check and triple-check your sources for the things you share on social media. The fabric of our nation depends on this.

I get the feeling he is not just talking about sunsets.



Dr. Marshall Shepherd, Dir., Atmospheric Sciences Program/GA Athletic Assoc. Distinguished Professor (Univ of Georgia), Host, Weather Channel's Popular Podcast, Weather Geeks, 2013 AMS President


http://www...-hawaiian-sunset/#6f5127186696



smart dude
Member
Tue Aug 14 12:52:58
lol @ "probably" fake
Cold Rod
Member
Tue Aug 14 13:03:50
Hot Rod is dumb, so dumb.
hood
Member
Tue Aug 14 13:29:39
The second "fake" picture isn't even a photograph. It's a good damned drawing. AND THE LINK CLEARLY DISPLAYS "Lemony Snicket," a children's author.

Yeah. Probably fake...
Paramount
Member
Tue Aug 14 13:36:49
A fake drawing?
PhunkyPhishStyle
Member
Tue Aug 14 14:20:42
HotFail
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Aug 14 14:41:45

I knew it was a drawing, it would be hard to miss that. As for Lemony Snicket being a children's author, that is something I have no knowledge of.

Curious that hood is such an expert though.



pps, just exactly how did I fail.

"Tue Aug 14 12:44:28

Now, this is what I call a cliff house.

http://i.p...cliff-house-lemony-snicket.jpg

Probably a fake, but an intriguing photo."

Cold Rod
Member
Tue Aug 14 14:49:18
Because you called a drawing a photograph, hotfail
Wrath of Orion
Member
Tue Aug 14 15:19:49
Not to mention posting misinformation yet again and then failing to understand how the sun could be illuminating the clouds from below.
Cold Rod
Member
Tue Aug 14 15:36:56
Hot Rod is dumb, so, so, so, dumb.
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Aug 14 15:43:04
"The most patriotic thing we can do as Americans and as citizens of *any* democratic country is to seek the facts. Period. In the words of Thomas Jefferson: “I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”"

That's a funny Jefferson quote given that "God" is itself a tyranny over the mind. It's like swearing by the glass of wine that you're drinking that you will wage war against the drinking of wine. That might not be a recipe for success so much as for alcoholism.
smart dude
Member
Tue Aug 14 15:57:50
"pps, just exactly how did I fail."

lol idiot
hood
Member
Tue Aug 14 16:50:51
"Curious that hood is such an expert though."

Curious indeed that I recognized an author my younger sister read, that published a popular book only a few years after I had aged out of the target demographic, that recently had a netflix show made of their work. Curious indeed that I recognized an author...
smart dude
Member
Tue Aug 14 16:55:12
"Lemony Snicket being a children's author"

it's really amazing how Hot Rod can be wrong literally 100% of the time
Cold Rod
Member
Tue Aug 14 16:56:03
Here's your sign.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Aug 14 19:57:04

cr - go back and take another look.


Is that a painting or is it a photograph of a painting?

I know people of your ilk have trouble distinguishing. but try.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Aug 14 20:16:26

Fido - it's really amazing how Hot Rod can be wrong literally 100% of the time


All I know is what hood posted. Take it up with him.

smart dude
Member
Tue Aug 14 21:37:05
"All I know is what hood posted. Take it up with him."

Typical liberal. Blaming other people for being wrong.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Aug 15 06:03:07

Once again, how was I wrong?

Cold Rod
Member
Wed Aug 15 06:46:01
Dumb, you're so dumb
Delude
Member
Wed Aug 15 07:09:58
You're concession when you kept arguing that the sun was the source of display. It was inconceivable for you to believe that while faced with insurmountable facts.

I echo CR, you're dumb.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Aug 15 09:26:16

As soon as someone posted, whose opinion I respect, corrected me I admitted my error.

If I pointed out an error that you made would believe me or would you wait for one of your little friends to point out your error before you accept it?



Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Aug 15 09:30:50

deluded - You're concession when you kept arguing that the sun was the source of display. It was inconceivable for you to believe that while faced with insurmountable facts.


ERR...

I was arguing that the red was caused by fire, not the sun.

State Department
Member
Wed Aug 15 11:08:49
Are we sure it's not a gray carpet with red LEDs underneath and a painting of a sky in the background?
smart dude
Member
Wed Aug 15 11:15:54
ITT:

1. Rod believes the picture of a wildfire (wrong).
2. Rod believes sunrise can shine from beneath clouds (wrong).
3. Rod fails to recognize his typo, and murder's joke goes over his head.
4. Rod says "Lemony Snicket" is an author (wrong).

Ouch.
smart dude
Member
Wed Aug 15 11:16:12
can't shine*
Delude
Member
Wed Aug 15 12:30:28
Wasn't* the sun.. Fixed.

On a positive note you've admitted you're wrong at least twice.
Delude
Member
Wed Aug 15 12:47:06
"As soon as someone posted, whose opinion I respect, corrected me I admitted my error."

And yet a mere few posts later you asked where you were wrong.
obaminated
Member
Wed Aug 15 14:14:50
Not a real photo of the flames, but they did cause the sun to appear hellishly red 2 sundays ago, during sunset, pretty cool.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Aug 15 16:34:04
Retard Rod doesn't respect my post because he's always wrong and I point that out. Retard Rod is afraid of logic and facts.

lmfao
Cold Rod
Member
Wed Aug 15 17:15:42
#hotrodhatesfactslovechildren
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Aug 15 19:06:22

Fido = 4. Rod says "Lemony Snicket" is an author (wrong).


Then how do explain this, Fido?


hood
Member Tue Aug 14 13:29:39
The second "fake" picture isn't even a photograph. It's a good damned drawing. AND THE LINK CLEARLY DISPLAYS "Lemony Snicket," a children's author.


How?

Cold Rod
Member
Wed Aug 15 20:06:13
Pedo hates facts
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Aug 15 20:25:43

Not as bad as you do, short round.

obaminated
Member
Wed Aug 15 20:39:06
https://imgur.com/gallery/47sWufK
obaminated
Member
Wed Aug 15 20:39:16
http://imgur.com/gallery/47sWufK
Cold Rod
Member
Wed Aug 15 20:56:30
Pedo hates facts and is so very dumb, so, so very dubm.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Aug 15 21:06:30

You are not fooling anyone.

The evidence is irrefutable.

You need to go hide under the porch with your tail between your legs.

Cold Rod
Member
Wed Aug 15 21:08:55
Pedo was wrong, shown wrong, denied that he was wrong, and showed again how he was wrong. Pedo should die.
smart dude
Member
Wed Aug 15 21:47:00
Fuck Rod was wrong multiple times, denied he was wrong, admitted he was wrong, denied that he was wrong again. What a waste of DNA.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Aug 16 07:47:30

You people are more stupid than I gave you credit for.

Cold Rod
Member
Thu Aug 16 08:15:03
Says the guy with who thought it was the fire.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Aug 16 09:27:08

Says the guy that is unable to understand irrefutable proof when it is under his nose.

Cold Rod
Member
Thu Aug 16 09:46:02
You're not even making sense, pedophile. You were given proof and denied it.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Aug 16 09:58:42

sd - 4. Rod says "Lemony Snicket" is an author (wrong).


And this sir is a bald-faced lie and I proved it. But you people insist it is true.

Cold Rod
Member
Thu Aug 16 10:16:06
You asked a general question where you were wrong. It was shown and you still denied it. What a revisionist pedophile you are. You should die in a fire. Keep in mind suicide is a option.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Aug 16 10:45:55

Are you even looking at the post?


sd is saying that I am wrong about Lemony Snicket" being an author. That may be, but take a look at how I reached that conclusion.


"hood
Member Tue Aug 14 13:29:39
The second "fake" picture isn't even a photograph. It's a good damned drawing. AND THE LINK CLEARLY DISPLAYS "Lemony Snicket," a children's author."



smart dude
Member Tue Aug 14 16:55:12
"Lemony Snicket being a children's author"

it's really amazing how Hot Rod can be wrong literally 100% of the time



Fido - it's really amazing how Hot Rod can be wrong literally 100% of the time


All I know is what hood posted. Take it up with him.


Fido = 4. Rod says "Lemony Snicket" is an author (wrong).


Then how do explain this, Fido?


hood
Member Tue Aug 14 13:29:39
The second "fake" picture isn't even a photograph. It's a good damned drawing. AND THE LINK CLEARLY DISPLAYS "Lemony Snicket," a children's author.



Fido = 4. Rod says "Lemony Snicket" is an author (wrong).


Then how do explain this, Fido?


hood
Member Tue Aug 14 13:29:39
The second "fake" picture isn't even a photograph. It's a good damned drawing. AND THE LINK CLEARLY DISPLAYS "Lemony Snicket," a children's author.


Here, my final post on the matter.



You people seem to think that I should take your posts on a given subject and then when I do I am still denounced for being wrong.

hood posted two or more times that Lemony Snicket is a children's author. If that is an error then, once again, take it up with hood.

-30-





Cold Rod
Member
Thu Aug 16 10:52:44
Pedophile still wrong. Virtually everyone in the thread pointed out where he was wrong. Yet accepts, then denies, accepts and then denies again.

Suicide is an option.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Aug 16 10:55:35
Wow, 79 posts of this.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Thu Aug 16 11:16:17
Lemony Snicket is an author (pseudonym) and character.
Delude
Member
Thu Aug 16 12:10:29
HR is so incredibly stupid.

"Snicket is the author of several childrens' books..."

-source wikipedia.

But we all know how HR operates so this should be no surprise of him being wrong again and glad this thread was archived.
Cold Rod
Member
Thu Aug 16 12:13:10
Hot Rod, suicide is an option.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Thu Aug 16 16:14:59
Retard Rod is so scared of facts that when I post a fact that actually supports his position, he just ignores it. How does one make it through even a year of life while being so scared of facts?
Cold Rod
Member
Thu Aug 16 16:20:47
Scare of facts? Suicide is an option, Hot Rod.
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