Utopia Talk / Politics / Manafort trial prediction

superdude Member	Fri Aug 17 17:10:24 Will the jurors do the right thing or will Trump have to pardon Manafort?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 17 17:17:34 i'll guess he's found guilty of 13 of 18 charges or if a Trump idiot on the jury the whole thing collapses
Rugian Member	Fri Aug 17 17:18:23 The deep state is almost assuredly threatening them and their families if they don't make the "right" decision, so unlikely.
Average Ameriacn Member	Fri Aug 17 17:19:06 He will walk free.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 17 17:22:48 Trump's mob associates are almost assuredly threatening them and their families if they don't make the "right" decision
kargen Member	Fri Aug 17 17:34:07 Better to be tweeted about for disagreeing with President Trump than it is to become suddenly suicidal for disagreeing with Hillary. I'm guessing the next trial is the one that will fry his ass. The prosecutors dropped the ball on this one. They told the jury to concentrate on the documents but didn't do everything they could to make clear what documents were associated with each charge.
murder Member	Fri Aug 17 18:10:15 I predict that we'll get the outcome that you'd expect when the judge spends the entire trial kneecapping, castigating, and ridiculing the prosecution and its case.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Fri Aug 17 18:18:16 It will really be something if he walks.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 17 18:20:54 he's got another trial awaiting him, this is just the beginning of his crimes
Rugian Member	Fri Aug 17 18:22:31 tumbleweed you sound like you've been on a recent Sopranos binge. "kargen Member Fri Aug 17 17:34:07 Better to be tweeted about for disagreeing with President Trump than it is to become suddenly suicidal for disagreeing with Hillary. " Exactly. Of the two candidates from the last election, only one of them has a history of compromising individuals suddenly winding up dead, and it's not Trump
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Aug 17 18:46:00 Trump having mob ties is just fact... possibly w/ Russian mobsters too go Mueller! also Trump has nothing but praise for leaders known for murdering opponents, if he gets a few more years the practice will probably be supported by 43% of Americans
Rugian Member	Sat Aug 18 06:56:27 "Trump having mob ties is just fact... possibly w/ Russian mobsters too" You know, I was just about to say how at least the mobster claims would be a fresh angle after years of anti-Russian hysteria...sadly you couldn't resist yourself. "also Trump has nothing but praise for leaders known for murdering opponents," He plays to strongmens' egos by delivering praise. That's just good strategy. Either way though, that's not the same thing as murdering opponents himself. In any case, looks like we both may be wrong about who is looking to threaten the jurors: CNN requests Manafort juror names and addresses http://ass...o-Intervene-and-for-Access.pdf
Forwyn Member	Sat Aug 18 09:28:27 CNN "ally of the people" filed in court to make jurors public. Antifa tactics
Jewgle Member	Sat Aug 18 09:36:37 *list multiple news agencies* "RAWR CNN!!!"
Rugian Member	Sat Aug 18 09:52:05 Jewgle, I singled out CNN because they have a reputation for threatening to dox people in order to affect an outcome. By all means though, if you want me to go "RAWR WaPo, NYT, Buzzfeed etc," I'm willing to do so.
Jewgle Member	Sat Aug 18 09:57:51 Interesting claims with no evidence to back up. (to affect an outcome) Which also eludes to the fact that they are not the only media agency, either left or right that conducts such actions. 'Public Rights to Juror Information.' But you do you though in regards of targeting the big evil CNN et al because you want to emphasize your disdain towards it, because of the name CNN. You may return to being a Trumptard shill.
Rugian Member	Sat Aug 18 10:13:29 1. Incorrect 2. Misses the point Next.
Forwyn Member	Sat Aug 18 10:15:50 CNN, AP, Buzzfeed, NBC, NYT, Politico, WP So multiple shitholes. But yeah, it is humorous to single out CNN "Reeeee say press isn't the enemy!"
Rugian Member	Sat Aug 18 10:18:56 "But yeah, it is humorous to single out CNN "Reeeee say press isn't the enemy!"" As evidenced by Jewgle's reaction here. Apparently he was fine with the talk about the deep state, mafia and Hillary conspiracies, but one reference to CNN immediately set him off. ROFL
Jewgle Member	Sat Aug 18 10:19:04 1. Still no evidence 2. Still Trumptard shill. Next. Forwyn; "Rugian, I am forever your wingman, Trumptard shills forever! Love ya brah!"
Jewgle Member	Sat Aug 18 10:21:30 Or Rugian, it's the continuance of pointing out your hypocrisy and echoing the rhetoric of Trump and other alt-right rhetoric. Again, thanks for proving that point again. Just don't have a mental breakdown, we don't want that do we? Speaking of which "sets him off" should we count the times of your mental anguish and breakdowns on the forum? ROFL indeed.
Rugian Member	Sat Aug 18 10:22:58 You're really butthurt about this. Did I tweet a "Trump tackling Jewgle" meme or something?
Forwyn Member	Sat Aug 18 10:23:58 muh rhetoric muh alt-right muh Antifa tactics muh jury tampering
Jewgle Member	Sat Aug 18 10:27:16 Awww, look at the "brahs" together. So adorable trumptard shills.
Forwyn Member	Sat Aug 18 10:31:05 Aww, look at the multi whining about muh CNN, muh brahs, muh shills. So adorable to shrug off media conglomerate intimidation tactics.
Jewgle Member	Sat Aug 18 10:36:42 Aww look at the one of the two pseudo-libertarians still unable to support their claims and then reveal their vulnerability for bring up that they are directly repeating the rhetoric of alt-righters and Trump. Truth hurts and this is the result of the exposition.
Rugian Member	Sat Aug 18 10:40:41 So now a consistent antipathy towards the government and media that has routinely been expressed over the years is "repeating the rhetoric of alt-righters and Trump." TIL
Jewgle Member	Sat Aug 18 10:42:33 When you reach the levels of "enemy of the state" and continue with it. Objectivity is lost and shows to the depths of extreme you will go. But sure spin it that way if you want trumptard shill.
Rugian Member	Sat Aug 18 10:47:34 No one here has ever accused CNN of being an "enemy of the state." The establishment isn't an enemy of itself. But yes, it would be rather enjoyable to watch live footage of Jim Acosta getting waterboarded in Gitmo.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Aug 18 10:52:55 @Rugian, not a new angle, i've noted Trump's mob ties before as has Trump: " Trump himself acknowledged as much in a December 2015 interview with the Wall Street Journal, admitting that S&A Concrete was "supposedly associated with the mob." "Virtually every building that was built was built with these companies," he said, adding, "These guys were excellent contractors. They were phenomenal. They could do three floors a week in concrete. Nobody else in the world could do three floors a week. I mean they were unbelievable. Trump Tower, other buildings." " so supposedly there was basically no way to avoid it, but note his praise... plus he has numerous links all over the place http://www...ald-trump-has-been-linked-mob/ and people -should- be a lot more hysterical... the fools on Fox News & R congresspeople are finding reasons that its ok that Brennan lost clearance but ignoring the reason it was actually done (same exact issue as w/ Comey firing for that matter) the dictator child says he's getting "a tremendous response" for his decision... totally the wrong message to be sending & there's reporting the WH already has drafted more clearance removals also we could address how he knows NOTHING & learns NOTHING... he knew nothing about the iran deal that he cancelled... nothing... how is that acceptable? ... he's feeling more freedom to do whatever shit pops in his head, so just getting more and more dangerous and he's using twitter solely to spread division w/ his lies about media & the justice dept... & sports... & motorcycles... so many problems w/ this disaster (& the stuff people like: tax cuts & supreme court picks have nothing to do w/ Trump)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Aug 18 11:01:00 hey look, he even has an example today, what a surprise: "Social Media is totally discriminating against Republican/Conservative voices. Speaking loudly and clearly for the Trump Administration, we won’t let that happen. They are closing down the opinions of many people on the RIGHT, while at the same time doing nothing to others" is that happening? 'many people'?... can you give an example beyond his buddy Alex Jones? this idiot is completely unfit
Jewgle Member	Sat Aug 18 11:04:46 "No one here has ever accused CNN of being an "enemy of the state." The establishment isn't an enemy of itself. " "enemy of the people, enemy of the state" The dog whistle the Trump and others utilize. And you've demonstrated it quite well in this thread. So no matter how you and your fellow pseudo-libertarian want to deny that. You actions on here completely speak differently. Like I said before, you may return to your Trumptard Shill-selves.
Forwyn Member	Sat Aug 18 11:24:07 "its ok that Brennan lost clearance but ignoring the reason it was actually done" Yeah, it's totally okay. The executive is totally in charge of clearances and classifications, and he hasn't removed clearances of anyone still on the job. When he does, we might have an issue. This is a guy that the media said Obama should fire, that the ACLU heavily criticized during his nom for CIA director. Now we have a 180 because "muh retaliation"
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Aug 18 11:33:19 again... you have moved to Brennan... we KNOW Trump did it purely on Brennan criticism of him (+ link to Russia investigation), that is ALL that is important here... all of these Brennan issues existed since Trump took office and there ARE people on his enemies list who still are on the job, like Ohr who he's going full bore after w/ lies (Trump took an already out-of-context message Fox News reportedly found, and then added words to make it even more bullshit)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Aug 18 12:16:08 for the record, Fox News claims Ohr wrote that Steele was "very concerned abt Comey's firing -- afraid they will be exposed" which sure sounds sinister when reading, unless you realize they would say 'i', 'we', or 'you', not 'they' if they meant themselves or the person they are talking to... so it's totally unclear what that message means then Trump tweet: ----- “Fox News has learned that Bruce Ohr wrote Christopher Steele following the firing of James Comey saying that he was afraid the anti-Trump Russia probe will be exposed.” Charles Payne @FoxBusiness How much more does Mueller have to see? They have blinders on - RIGGED! ------ "anti-Trump Russia probe" mysteriously added, plus mixing up who said it... perhaps done by Fox News shill Charles Payne, but still on Trump's feed (he's the POTUS, he should be making every effort to provide correct info, instead of making NO effort & instead happy to provide incorrect info)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Aug 18 12:32:16 ...and for the record's record Charles Payne replied to that Trump tweet w/ the proper quote (NO mention of probe, or other errors) so it's entirely possible & believable that Trump added the bullshit as he tends to do
Forwyn Member	Sat Aug 18 12:54:30 "you have moved to Brennan" You brought him up. As he's the only person thus far in "muh clearance fiasco", he's relevant here. "(+ link to Russia investigation)" Brennan should have no link to Russian investigation. If CIA head was spying domestically on a a presidential candidate, he should be in prison. But he should already be in prison for Senate spying, so no surprise there. "like Ohr" Who still has his clearance. So, not relevant here. Following rants suitable for a Muh Child Trump thread.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Aug 18 13:27:56 so you have no problem with an erratic corrupt incompetent president until he acts & its too late? & he has acted on things... how about this thread topic, where Trump comes out & suggests it's all a corrupt trial while jury deliberating (& beforehand for that matter), that ok? & the Brennan security clearance removal is relevant, specifically for why it happened, not what reasons supporters found to try to justify it
Forwyn Member	Sat Aug 18 14:11:09 I have no problem with him revoking clearances of retired fucks who should have been fired/imprisoned long ago, no. If I spend five years calling for the death of a pedo who subsequently gets t-boned by a drunk driver, eh, fucking good. Again, we can talk if that driver hits someone else. I also have no problem with him making retarded public comments to try to protect his in-group. Make him a lame duck president in three months, then vote him out two years later. idgaf
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Aug 18 14:26:45 so you wouldn't punish the drunk driver? seems unwise and ignoring all the damage the clearly incompetent idiot liar child is doing to society is also unwise... as well as his control over a horde of followers that accept everything he says without question even though it is crystal clearly lying bullshit almost all the time... those people are real, we have at least 3 here (HR, mt, superdude)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Aug 19 11:39:42 Trump called John Dean a "RAT"... so more mob evidence
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Aug 21 15:33:22 Manafort jury has told judge they are deadlocked on 10 of the 18 counts... judge wants to interview each juror individually i would start with 'heil Trump!' & see if they salute
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Aug 21 15:37:34 mistrial declared on those 10... verdicts on other 8 counts being read now
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Aug 21 15:39:58 ...found GUILTY on the 8 counts so two Trump associates heading to prison today (Cohen pleading guilty today also)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Aug 21 15:44:44 5x tax fraud 1x hiding foreign accounts 2x bank fraud plus he's got another trial for more crimes coming up and prosecutors could retry the 10 other charges if they choose hitching his wagon to Trump has failed spectacularly
Sam Adams Member	Tue Aug 21 16:06:11 "i'll guess he's found guilty of 13 of 18 charges" Not bad
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Aug 21 16:41:16 8 of 18 guilty. Maximum on all charges 80 years.
murder Member	Tue Aug 21 16:55:07 Fuck yeah! And fuck that POS judge! Now we just need Roger Stone and Carter Page, and we can call it a day. :o)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Aug 21 17:29:32 & Donald Sr. & Donald Jr... & Devin Nunes
murder Member	Tue Aug 21 17:32:50 That's never happening. But everyone around them? LOCK THEM UP! LOCK THEM UP! LOCK THEM UP! :o)
werewolf dictator Member	Tue Aug 21 21:33:31 according to mueller's key witness.. manafort was working to bring ukraine into eu [and hence fighting against putin] for russia probe to do this is like.. if benghazi probe prosecuted seal team 6 member for poker scam at time he was killing bin laden total farce for russia probe to pursue this when it should be prosecuting hillary for colluding *with* putin's top lieutenants during 2016 [while breaking campaign finance laws to do it]
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Aug 21 22:27:14 as someone on TV put it... if investigating a murder & you see a pile of cocaine on the table you don't ignore the cocaine
murder Member	Wed Aug 22 07:53:30 werewolf dictator has got to be Donald Trump. There's no other explanation.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Aug 22 11:33:57 wow... just when you think he can't get any dumber: " A large number of counts, ten, could not even be decided in the Paul Manafort case. Witch Hunt! " http://twi...ump/status/1032259660378779648
murder Member	Wed Aug 22 14:21:48 In fairness, he's only got 10 fingers, so 10 would seem like a large number.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Aug 22 14:32:13 also 8 guilty 10 undecided 0 not guilty is not a strong argument that his own justice dept unfairly tried his campaign manager as if he should be rooting against justice at all... as the President... R's are certainly accepting a wide breadth of unacceptable behavior
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Aug 23 11:17:05 Trump just keeps giving on the mob evidence front: “this whole thing about flipping — they call it. I know all about flipping. For 30, 40 years I have been watching flippers. Everything is wonderful, and then they get 10 years in jail and the flip on whoever the next highest one is, or as high as you can go. It almost ought to be outlawed.” “I have seen it many times, I have had many friends involved in this stuff. It’s called flipping and it almost ought to be illegal. You get ten years in jail but if you say bad things about somebody, in other words make up stories if you don’t know. They just make up lies.” he's got many friends involved in flipping (or being flipped on)? it should be illegal? & implying flipping is with lies mobster
Jewgle Member	Thu Aug 23 11:22:08 Aww he got ratted out an he mad.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Aug 23 11:23:30 Cohen didn't even flip... they are just pretending he did, there's nothing about cooperating against Trump in his deal
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Aug 23 11:27:21 he's hugely smearing the justice dept, suggesting flippers are liars & prosecutors are believing the lies & falsely prosecuting others... ...all to protect his mobster self
John Adams Member	Thu Aug 23 11:48:14 ...for those who still want to be the defenders of Trump, I truly question your moral compass.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Aug 23 12:05:11 oops, just heard a clip of Trump's interview this morning team Trump isn't just pretending Cohen flipped, he flat out claimed it... that Cohen flipped to get a reduced sentence didn't happen, at all, 100% false... Trump said a lie... imagine that... and the Fox News blonde was all over it! nope, doubt she challenged anything he said... she was even nodding when he claimed 80% of the media is fake...
Dukhat Member	Thu Aug 23 12:18:07 One manafort juror was interviewed and said one retarded juror was why they didn’t instantly declare guilty on each count. Every other member was in favor of guilty on all counts.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Aug 23 12:21:14 and the juror speaking out claims to be a Trump supporter maybe when she sees Trump smearing her decision she will leave the dark side
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Aug 23 12:28:28 and i wouldn't use the 'instantly' word or sounds like corrupt against Trump :p... they seem to have gone through the evidence, they were out 4 days or something & she says they agreed to disregard Gates testimony entirely (the criminal who flipped) jury notes to the judge were released & they had asked if exhibits could be linked to charges or something... seems like they did their job... the one hold-out, who knows... 8 guilty's should be fine to put him away awhile
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Aug 23 12:29:41 ...unless our criminal President pardons him... as he would if consistent... he has pardoned others who he claims were 'treated unfairly' as he has claimed w/ Manafort... w/ no factual basis of course
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