Utopia Talk / Politics / The truth isn’t the truth

Paramount Member	Sun Aug 19 10:55:02 President Donald Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani on Sunday claimed "truth isn't truth" when trying to explain why the president should not testify for special counsel Robert Mueller for fear of being trapped into a lie that could lead to a perjury charge. “When you tell me that, you know, he should testify because he’s going to tell the truth and he shouldn’t worry, well that’s so silly because it’s somebody’s version of the truth. Not the truth,” Giuliani told Chuck Todd on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday morning “Truth is truth,” Todd responded. “No, it isn’t truth,” Giuliani said. “Truth isn’t truth. The President of the United States says, “I didn’t …” A startled Todd answered: “Truth isn’t truth?” Giuliani: “No, no.” http://www...uliani-truth-todd-trump-788161 So Trump shouldn’t testify because it is likely that he will be trapped in lie.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Aug 19 11:08:11 Giuliani also claims Mueller already knows what answers Trump will give (I don't know how anyone could possibly know what answers Trump will give, they shift frequently) one example he gave is Trump will say he never told Comey anything about going easy on Flynn... (I guess we 'know' this as Trump once tweeted he didn't say what Comey said... although that could be Comey was one word off, or just the typical Trump lying all the time) so then Giuliani calls that is a perjury trap as Mueller may side w/ Comey's testimony... but he absolutely should as that's perjury... no way in hell Comey added that to his contemporaneous notes when it didn't happen (plus testify under oath to the same)... he didn't know he'd be fired plus it's not a clear case of any crime til you combine w/ his other actions plus it's beyond reasonable to believe Trump said it given how he's talked about Cohen & Manafort publicly & his other constant inappropriate conduct so... now if that happens & Mueller says "you're lying because... obviously"... shitbag Giuliani will say 'see, perjury trap! rigged! framed!' Giuliani is so disgusting
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Aug 19 11:08:48 (^ that all was in an interview w/ Jake Tapper)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Aug 19 13:10:50 on Meet the Press, disgraceful lying shitscum Giuliani claimed team Trump didn't know they were meeting w/ Russians at that Trump Tower meeting the emails couldn't be more clear
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Aug 19 13:17:46 probably same interview as OP nonsense...
Paramount Member	Sun Aug 19 14:05:24 They are all lying scumbags.
werewolf dictator Member	Sun Aug 19 19:49:37 http://new...012/08/making-sense-of-memory/ "It happens to all of us: We think we learned of the Sept. 11 attacks from a radio report, when, in fact, the news came from a co-worker; we’re sure the robber running from the bank was tall, when actually he was short; we remember waking up at 7 yesterday, when 8 is closer to the truth. Such “false memories,” unavoidable in everyday life, can have disastrous consequences in courtrooms and other settings where exactitude matters." trump shouldn't play the "your memory truth don't match his memory truth" perjury trap of biased anti-trump mueller witch trial grand inquisition.. [if mueller wa not biased inquisition witch hunt.. he would go after how team hillary paid $10 million to fusion gps to collude with senior putin officials to wage information warfare against usa.. how team hillary lied about payments colluding with senior putin officials repeatedly in fec filings.. how team hillary lied about this even more with sanctimony to press for a year.. and how even russian lawyer that team trump quickly rejected and turned away at trump tower was client of same fusion gps that hillary was paying to collude with russians against usa in information warfare]
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Aug 19 20:36:48 he won't be charged with perjury unless a clear cut lie... and he will lie on every answer so probably some will be clear cut... so his lawyers will never let him testify as they know he's a compulsive liar, and they are selling it to the HRs of the world as Mueller being unfair to even ask questions & the fools are buying it also it's not illegal to hire a firm for opposition research which is all Hillary did (and was the same firm anti-Trump republicans hired first) ... and not illegal for that firm to hire a guy to investigate Trumps dealings in Russia
werewolf dictator Member	Sun Aug 19 20:42:32 its definitely illegal to collude with putins very best buddies in kremlin to wage information warfare against usa.. also to lie about it to fec
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Aug 19 23:41:44 Putin wanted Trump to win... as he admitted... and was obvious... Trump had (& still has) non-stop praise for Russia, Hillary a personal enemy of Putin Steele used whatever sources he had trust in, not illegal
Paramount Member	Tue Aug 21 06:47:29 Trump is now saying that he is worried that he might have to lie while testifying: US President Donald Trump has said he is worried he might face perjury charges if he gives statements under oath to the investigation into Russia's alleged role in his election victory. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45254374
Paramount Member	Tue Aug 21 07:53:50 If Trump would be honest and stick to the truth – telling the truth and nothing but the truth, he wouldn't have to worry about perjury charges. Right?
murder Member	Tue Aug 21 08:41:53 Trump has testified before. He knows how much bullshit he can get away with. What he doesn't want to do is testify truthfully ... and expose the lies he's been telling his base all this time. That's why he says that if he tells the truth, he's a liar.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Aug 21 11:20:19 perjury has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt... something his dirtscumshitbag 'lawyer' Giuliani is not bothering to mention every time he claims that if Trump's story differs from Comey's that Trump will be charged unfairly w/ perjury no... he will be charged w/ perjury as there will be tons of other witnesses & documents countering the stream of lies Trump will inevitably spew... his lawyers know he can't tell the truth & can't be coached so they'll never let him testify... it's pathetic
kargen Member	Tue Aug 21 12:52:36 "Putin wanted Trump to win... as he admitted... and was obvious..." He admitted that after President Trump won. Putin was just like everyone else absolutely sure Hillary was going to win and he was trying to undermine her campaign. We know this because of comments the Russians made about Bernie Sanders. Putin is (and was) also trying to undermine President Trump. Best way to do that is to play on our own paranoia and claim he wanted Trump to win all along. Perfect way to piss off more than half the population. Putin doesn't give a shit one way or another about President Trump and never did. He is causing discourse in the United States in what he believes is the most effective way.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Aug 21 13:48:42 you are wrong Trump - to the confusion of all, wanted to be friends with Russia from the start to end of his campaign, never wavered, never said a bad word, no problem w/ plane shoot down or Crimea... AND TO TOP IT OFF, he's an INCOMPETENT BUFFOON & easily swayed by flattery, including if only a translation error (where Trump still thinks Putin called him a genius... when he said 'bright' and meant 'colorful') Hillary - personally despised by Putin, & a mature adult THERE IS NO QUESTION PUTIN WANTED TRUMP TO WIN
patom Member	Tue Aug 21 14:06:01 Has Mueller even asked to interview the Twitterman? Mueller, to my knowledge is not one to telegraph his punches. All through this investigation he acts and then the facts of parts of the investigation are revealed. Even if he does interview the Twitterman, we don't even know what the questions will be.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Aug 21 14:53:13 they've been negotiating back n forth Trump's team wanted the questions... & asked to do written answers (obviously would be all written by lawyers), & asked for all collusion questions to be removed... maybe other things i think Mueller agreed to reduce topics some, not sure what all, haven't really paid that close attention, i seriously doubt Trump ever would talk, they are just stalling
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Aug 21 14:54:03 oops... all *obstruction* questions to be removed, not collusion, they want no questions on Comey
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