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Brainy UPer
Member
Fri Aug 31 05:48:40
It shall be continued here as Jergul is a "premier" expert in regards to the subject of writing. Here is where it was left off to avoid topping the other thread.

jergul
large member
Fri Aug 31 03:03:00
WoO
The dependency actually relates to the semicolon disuse. If you do not feel it right to capitalize, then you should probably be using a semicolon, not a colon. Its mostly an academic thing; where semicolons matter. Grammar schoole teachers don't make the grade. So to speak.
jergul
large member
Fri Aug 31 03:04:37
My point was not that I think you are a grade school teacher, but rather that most people learn their punctuation at that level. Those who can; do. Those who can't; teach.
Brainy UPer
Member
Fri Aug 31 05:02:31
"First off, if you use a colon, then you capitalize: Who is more likely to be convicted of a felony: An upper class..."

No.

"We covered many of the fundamentals in our writing class: grammar, punctuation, style, and voice."

jergul
large member
Fri Aug 31 05:11:05
"We covered many of the fundamentals in our writing class; grammar, punctuation, style, and voice."

Fixed!
Brainy UPer
Member
Fri Aug 31 05:15:23
Wrong.

http://wri...semi-colons-colons-and-dashes/
jergul
large member
Fri Aug 31 05:22:33
We shall agree to disagree!
jergul
large member
Fri Aug 31 05:24:35
And University of North Carolina?? Really? Appropriate perhaps for banjo making classes.
Brainy UPer
Member
Fri Aug 31 05:44:20
Ah, so that is it. Still be corrected, continue to deny it, and attack the institution.
jergul
large member
Fri Aug 31 07:05:26
Wrong thread title:

"Brainy UPer on whining"

Fixed!
Brainy UPer
Member
Fri Aug 31 07:20:00
So you are incapable of identifying what was wrong with the reference because you have a stereotypical conclusion of the institution.

I will accept this as your concession and gratitude for the assistance given to correct you.
jergul
large member
Fri Aug 31 07:23:24
Bro, you lost the moment you created this thread.
Brainy UPer
Member
Fri Aug 31 07:29:01
I appreciate your concession and accept the gratitude as well to assist you on this unfortunate shortcoming. No need to carry this further.
jergul
large member
Fri Aug 31 07:41:03
Here is incidentally the correct answer:

"Different citation styles (such as MLA, APA, Chicago, and AMA) have slightly different rules regarding whether to capitalize the first letter after a colon. If it is important that you follow one of these styles precisely, be sure to use the appropriate manual to look up the rule.

Here’s our suggestion: generally, the first word following the colon should be lower-cased if the words after the colon form a dependent clause (that is, if they could not stand on their own as a complete sentence). If the following phrase is a complete (independent) clause, you may choose to capitalize it or not. Whichever approach you choose, be sure to be consistent throughout your paper."

A random University is not an authorative source. Recognized citation standards are authorative sources and they have different rules (as the quote suggests).

And more specifically, capitalization is sometimes required and sometimes not; depending on the writing convention you are using.

I am always glad to help clear issues like this up for people.

You are welcome!
hood
Member
Fri Aug 31 08:17:04
Capitalization after a colon has what all to do with your incorrect use of semi-colons?
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Aug 31 08:25:44
Below are some style references on the relevant use of capitalization after colons. This is specifically as it relates to jergul's example of capitalizing a single dependent or independent clause after a colon.

MLA - don't capitalize either
http://style.mla.org/colons-how-to-use-them/

APA - don't capitalize dependent, but do capitalize independent
http://www.apastyle.org/learn/faqs/colon-use.aspx

Chicago - don't capitalize either
http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/qanda/data/faq/topics/Capitalization/faq0008.html

AMA - harder to find online and I do not have my AMA reference with me

Still, it's pretty clear that no accepted style (I'm pretty certain AMA also disagrees with you) agrees with you regarding capitalizing after a colon in terms of your example in the previous thread.

Now, even though the accepted styles say jergul is wrong, will he admit he is wrong?
Brainy UPer
Member
Fri Aug 31 08:32:32
"A random University is not an authorative source."

Of course it is. Considering it is a worldly renown University. And the subject specific details the varying usage of colons and semicolons.

You've made a claim that capitalize should be used after a colon. You then went further to support that you had "fixed" and example that I've provided. You were incorrect on both counts.

One being that you hold the belief in regards to capitalizations.

Two being that you corrected an example that needed no correction.

What more do you want from this? Your concession was accepted.
hood
Member
Fri Aug 31 08:33:50
It should also be noted that MLA is the most common writing style and the general style used by populations. Other styles are more niche and professional.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Aug 31 08:40:51
Now I'll move on to semicolons.

MLA - no definitive answer without the MLA manual (which I don't have with me), but the MLA link int he previous post mentions connecting independent clauses

APA - separate to independent clauses not joined by a conjunction or elements in a series that already contain commas
http://www.apastyle.org/learn/faqs/use-semicolon.aspx

Chicago - same as above

AMA - information incomplete, but specifically states using them to separate independent clauses, otherwise commas are preferred

http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/qanda/data/faq/topics/Semicolons.html
http://www.amamanualofstyle.com/view/10.1093/jama/9780195176339.001.0001/med-9780195176339-div2-294
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Aug 31 08:41:33
Oops, botched the links. Whatever.

Anyway, by his own standards, jergul appears to be wrong in both cases. Go figure.
Brainy UPer
Member
Fri Aug 31 08:44:00
Only one active link at a time in a post.

But yes, Jergul is incorrect. I am anticipating his continuing tactic of attacking sources because it contradicts his claims.

Brainy UPer
Member
Fri Aug 31 08:45:03
Remember I "lost" when the thread was created and here he is multiple posts later...
hood
Member
Fri Aug 31 08:48:02
From other thread:
"Oh, I see. Jergul is just employing some kewl kid cynicism to troll. No one is actually stupid enough to see evidence yet still think that that semi-colon misuse is grammatically correct; Jergul is just having a bit of fun by stating something completely and verifiably incorrect and getting people to waste energy correcting it, all while continuing to make further grammatical mistakes such as the incorrect “it’s” form, a missing dash in “banjo-making”, and more incorrect semi-colon usages. That’s a type of Sebbish dishonesty that warrants further avoidance."

To condense this into a one-liner:
Pretending to be retarded just to be a troll is indeed retarded.

But knowing jergul, he likely doesn't realize (or is unable to admit) that he's wrong.
Williamthebastard
Member
Fri Aug 31 09:47:12
Dunno wot's going on here, but semi-colons must be followed by independent phrases, which is not the case in the above Jergul quotes
Williamthebastard
Member
Fri Aug 31 09:49:27
Independent clauses
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Aug 31 10:32:19
Guys guys. Trump is threatening to pull out of the WTO. What the fuck is this?
Pillz
Member
Fri Aug 31 10:37:19
Trump won't do shit.

English, being the spiritual and intellectual successor of Greek, is worthy of examination and review. Trump sound bites much less so.

And besides, how could the WTO take precedence over ridiculing jergul, anyway?
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Aug 31 10:41:10
I stand corrected. *grabs more pop corn*
jergul
large member
Fri Aug 31 10:45:07
WoO finally recognized that we are speaking of literary convention - of which there are a number of standards.

I am amazed; stunned even: It made me into a new man.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Aug 31 10:47:36
Finally recognize? You asserted you used it correctly, not according to one of many standards. You failed at recovering this.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Aug 31 10:53:38
jergul is worse than Retard Rod at admitting when he's wrong. lmfao
jergul
large member
Fri Aug 31 11:02:35
Nimi
WoO finally recognize that this is a standarization and convention issue that now has its very own thread. APA may or may not have been followed. Stay tuned for new updates.

Losers.
Brainy UPer
Member
Fri Aug 31 11:24:07
You are really going out of your way to remain a fool like Hot Rod.
jergul
large member
Fri Aug 31 11:33:52
I am just putting in the posts to see if you will double down on loser and create a "brainy UPer on whining II".

Guilt by association. Nice!
Brainy UPer
Member
Fri Aug 31 12:21:02
Thank you for demonstrating how fragile your ego is.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Aug 31 12:28:57
This is what Hot Rod would sound like, if he was a Scandinavian crypto-communist :)
jergul
large member
Sat Sep 01 03:02:01
Brainy
I am not the special snowflake who created this thread.

Nimi
Crimea river
Brainy UPer
Member
Sat Sep 01 05:26:52
What does that have to do with my ego? You should be appreciative as it is a thread dedicated to you. Notice still how much you are trying to defend yourself, notice how incorrigible you are being as you are faced insurmountable evidence that clearly shows your claims were incorrect.

**"First off, if you use a colon, then you capitalize: Who is more likely to be convicted of a felony: An upper class..."**

Disproven.

Recall that you've made a conscious decision discounting a University. As well as ignoring various other sources that clearly shows that your claim was incorrect. Seemingly you admitted, while you still remain in a state of contradiction.

Yes, Jergul, a thread dedicated to you to avoid a hijack of the other thread all because you wanted to flex your intelligence is clearly about my ego. [/sarcasm]

Where you have been clearly wrong and still multiple posts into this you're attempting to stay afloat. If anyone is being the snowflake, it is definitely you, not me, not anyone else, but you. And that is something you have to deal with.

You're welcome.
jergul
large member
Sat Sep 01 05:51:02
Brainy
Wow. Project much?

I am not the one who hijacked a thread, then created a whine thread copy-pasting the hijacking.

You are the special snowflake, bro.

Please don't cut yourself too much.

Brainy UPer
Member
Sat Sep 01 12:22:43
So being courteous is considered hijacking?
hood
Member
Sat Sep 01 12:42:49
jergul was the only person who gave a shit that seb abused semi colons, attempted to be a dick about it through his usual ways, and (also as usual) was wrong.

Now he's playing the "y'all butthurt snowflakes" card over his own failed grammar nazi shenanigans.

Some people's ego...
Rugian
Member
Sat Sep 01 12:54:07
jergul's right, insisting on sticking to a rigid standard of literary English is unnecessary and frankly it discriminates against many minority communities. If a Scandinavian appears to have a poor comprehension of English, he doesn't need to take a few more ESL courses; no, we just all need to accept that in his mind he IS writing English correctly and respect his chosen forms.
jergul
large member
Sat Sep 01 17:19:16
Brainy
Being an anal retentive whiner is generally not considered courteous. But I am sure that in your mind, creating this thread was all about courtesy.

Loser.

Hood
I can see where you are coming from, but was not actually commenting on seb's use of semicolons.

Ruggy
That is not even close to my position. You may want to work on your reading comprehension before moving forward on any observations on how others manage things.

Sticking to a rigid standard would incidentally discriminate against Americans most OF all.
Brainy UPer
Member
Sun Sep 02 08:05:58
"Being an anal retentive whiner is generally not considered courteous."

So says the individual regarding the usage of colons and insisting they were correct where in fact they were wrong and has the inability to accept facts.

Snowflake.
jergul
large member
Sun Sep 02 08:26:11
whine, whine, whine. All you do is whine.
Brainy UPer
Member
Sun Sep 02 09:20:50
Says the individual for being proven wrong.
jergul
large member
Sun Sep 02 10:34:56
Wow. Whine, whine, whine. Its all you do. Thankfully at frequencies barely audible to the human ear.
Brainy UPer
Member
Sun Sep 02 11:10:45
Says the individual for being proven wrong.
jergul
large member
Sun Sep 02 11:12:36
Wow. Whine, whine, whine. Its all you do. Thankfully at frequencies barely audible to the human ear.
Brainy UPer
Member
Sun Sep 02 17:38:09
Says the individual for being proven wrong.
jergul
large member
Mon Sep 03 02:17:46
Wow. Whine, whine, whine. Its all you do. Thankfully at frequencies barely audible to the human ear.
Brainy UPer
Member
Mon Sep 03 12:17:42
Says the individual for being proven wrong.
jergul
large member
Mon Sep 03 13:41:14
Wow. Whine, whine, whine. Its all you do. Thankfully at frequencies barely audible to the human ear.

Did you forget why I am posting here?

"Fri Aug 31 11:33:52
I am just putting in the posts to see if you will double down on loser and create a "brainy UPer on whining II"."

Loser.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Mon Sep 03 14:18:43
This thread should be archived as another example of jergulfail.
jergul
large member
Mon Sep 03 15:00:19
WoO
Loser.
Brainy UPer
Member
Mon Sep 03 20:28:38
Says the individual for being proven wrong.
jergul
large member
Tue Sep 04 00:38:46
Wow. Whine, whine, whine. Its all you do. Thankfully at frequencies barely audible to the human ear.
Brainy UPer
Member
Tue Sep 04 04:48:44
Says the individual for being proven wrong.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Sep 04 04:49:44
Wait a minute let me speed this up.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Sep 04 04:50:45
jergul said:

Wow. Whine, whine, whine. Its all you do. Thankfully at frequencies barely audible to the human ear.


and then Brainy UPer said:

Says the individual for being proven wrong.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Sep 04 04:50:52
FOREVER.
Brainy UPer
Member
Tue Sep 04 04:53:46
It's like the song that never ends....and you know the rest of the song. As it goes on and on my friends, people started singing....
hood
Member
Tue Sep 04 07:25:31
Yeah it's weird how jergul was broken by a multi. It's like he thinks that this is how you be a real man or something? Real men get really combative when called out and go into a small spiral of insanity if embarrassed being saving. Or at least weak Scandinavian men do.
jergul
large member
Tue Sep 04 07:48:56
Hood
Rofl@you thinking this is me being real combative

Loser.
jergul
large member
Tue Sep 04 07:52:40
"APA may or may not have been followed. Stay tuned for new updates."

What a fucking bunch of losers.
hood
Member
Tue Sep 04 07:58:48
^ see evidence. Jergul has gone full Trump over this. A sad day to witness a broken mind go through the throes of brain death.
jergul
large member
Tue Sep 04 08:03:05
Loser. Sad.
Delude
Member
Tue Sep 04 09:28:11
Dishonesty.
jergul
large member
Tue Sep 04 09:32:37
I agree totally. You should probably look for validation elsewhere.
Brainy UPer
Member
Wed Sep 05 05:21:38
Well, you have been defiant in accepting your mistake and how you were triggered by me for merely being considerate from another thread.

Your behavior clearly highlights your fragility of your ego.
Brainy UPer
Member
Wed Sep 05 05:22:12
*...the fragility of your ego.
jergul
large member
Wed Sep 05 13:19:44
Does it look like you are going to get the validation you so desperately desire?

Maybe "Brainy UPer on whining" thread II or III will get it for you.

Loser.
Brainy UPer
Member
Wed Sep 05 15:19:47
Says the individual for being proven wrong.
jergul
large member
Wed Sep 05 15:41:27
Wow. Whine, whine, whine. Its all you do. Thankfully at frequencies barely audible to the human ear.
Brainy UPer
Member
Wed Sep 05 17:05:42
Says the individual for being proven wrong.
jergul
large member
Wed Sep 05 17:33:33
Wow. Whine, whine, whine. Its all you do. Thankfully at frequencies barely audible to the human ear.
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