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Utopia Talk / Politics / official statements by criminal POTUS #3
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Sep 03 13:43:15
"Two long running, Obama era, investigations of two very popular Republican Congressmen were brought to a well publicized charge, just ahead of the Mid-Terms, by the Jeff Sessions Justice Department. Two easy wins now in doubt because there is not enough time. Good job Jeff......"

http://twi...ump/status/1036681588573130752

that would be our unindicted co-conspirator mobster dictator child moron delusional dishonest so-called president supporting insider trading & the guy/wife w/ 200 misuses of campaign funds
Rugian
Member
Mon Sep 03 13:46:28
Sessions can't be fired fast enough. The fact that his department is sabotaging House elections is inexcusable. #Giuliani4AG
Rugian
Member
Mon Sep 03 13:55:44
Also, the previous threads were about the "child POTUS" while this one is about the "criminal POTUS," so really the numbering should be reset.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Sep 03 14:32:34
i assume you are enjoying Trump for the lols, but do you concede if the Justice Dept was run as Trump wants, it would go solely after his opponents & not be too concerned w/ any real evidence? (as is clear from numerous tweets & statements by this disaster)

it's somewhat of a concerning situation since there are heaps of idiots who cheer him on everything he declares...
smart dude
Member
Tue Sep 04 04:28:45
Rugian doesn't really care. He got cucked HARD and considers his life basically ever. He's just a human shell whose only goal is to drink and troll and feel bitter.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 04 10:47:06
"
President Donald Trump's closest aides have taken extraordinary measures in the White House to try to stop what they saw as his most dangerous impulses, going so far as to swipe and hide papers from his desk so he wouldn't sign them, according to a new book from legendary journalist Bob Woodward.

...

Chief of staff John Kelly describes Trump as an "idiot" and "unhinged," Woodward reports. Defense Secretary James Mattis describes Trump as having the understanding of "a fifth or sixth grader." And Trump's former personal lawyer John Dowd describes the President as "a fucking liar," telling Trump he would end up in an "orange jump suit" if he testified to special counsel Robert Mueller.

"He's an idiot. It's pointless to try to convince him of anything. He's gone off the rails. We're in crazytown," Kelly is quoted as saying at a staff meeting in his office. "I don't even know why any of us are here. This is the worst job I've ever had."

...

Throughout the book, Woodward portrays the President as a man obsessed with his standing in the media and with his core supporters. Trump appears to be lonely and increasingly paranoid, often watching hours of television in the White House residence. "They're out to get me," Trump said of Mueller's team.

(full article w/ many bits & pieces)
http://www...k-donald-trump-fear/index.html

sounds like lots of good shit coming in this book... & all seems exactly like you'd expect from this disaster moron child dictator

and Bob Woodward is the strongest in credibility so far
Paramount
Member
Tue Sep 04 11:11:43
"He's an idiot. It's pointless to try to convince him of anything. He's gone off the rails. We're in crazytown," Kelly is quoted as saying at a staff meeting in his office. "I don't even know why any of us are here. This is the worst job I've ever had."


lol
patom
Member
Tue Sep 04 11:14:08
Good old Bob will be on the enemies list for sure.

I hope and pray that there is some sane people in the WH to prevent a world wide disaster.
Paramount
Member
Tue Sep 04 11:27:38
At a National Security Council meeting on Jan. 19, Trump disregarded the significance of the massive U.S. military presence on the Korean Peninsula, including a special intelligence operation that allows the United States to detect a North Korean missile launch in seven seconds vs. 15 minutes from Alaska, according to Woodward. Trump questioned why the government was spending resources in the region at all.

“We’re doing this in order to prevent World War III,” Defense Secretary Jim Mattis told him.

After Trump left the meeting, Woodward recounts, “Mattis was particularly exasperated and alarmed, telling close associates that the president acted like — and had the understanding of — ‘a fifth- or sixth-grader.’ ”




At a dinner with Mattis and Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr., the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, among others, Trump lashed out at a vocal critic, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). He falsely suggested that the former Navy pilot had been a coward for taking early release from a prisoner-of-war camp in Vietnam because of his father’s military rank and leaving others behind.

Mattis swiftly corrected his boss: “No, Mr. President, I think you’ve got it reversed.” The defense secretary explained that McCain, who died Aug. 25, had in fact turned down early release and was brutally tortured during his five years at the Hanoi Hilton.

“Oh, okay,” Trump replied, according to Woodward’s account.





After Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad launched a chemical attack on civilians in April 2017, Trump called Mattis and said he wanted to assassinate the dictator. “Let’s fucking kill him! Let’s go in. Let’s kill the fucking lot of them,” Trump said, according to Woodward.

Mattis told the president that he would get right on it. But after hanging up the phone, he told a senior aide: “We’re not going to do any of that. We’re going to be much more measured.”

http://www...8-a8d7-0f63ab8b1370_story.html


General Mattis may be fired tomorrow.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 04 11:28:27
two accounts of what's in the book about a meeting of Trump lawyers w/ Mueller:

from CNN (above)
"
in an even more remarkable move, Dowd and Trump's current personal attorney Jay Sekulow went to Mueller's office and re-enacted the mock interview. Their goal: to argue that Trump couldn't possibly testify because he was incapable of telling the truth.

"He just made something up. That's his nature," Dowd said to Mueller.
"


Washington Post has this about it:
"
Dowd then explained to Mueller and Quarles why he was trying to keep the president from testifying: “I’m not going to sit there and let him look like an idiot. And you publish that transcript, because everything leaks in Washington, and the guys overseas are going to say, ‘I told you he was an idiot. I told you he was a goddamn dumbbell. What are we dealing with this idiot for?’ ”

“John, I understand,” Mueller replied, according to Woodward.
"


sounds about right
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 04 11:31:44
i've put in my preorder :p, the first Trump book i'm bothering with
Dukhat
Member
Tue Sep 04 13:35:12
There's really nothing the book will reveal except for what we've known all along. Trump is a fucking idiot. Even his supporters know that he is a fucking idiot but he's THEIR fucking idiot and will double down on all the shitty policies they want.

They are the retards in Vegas who double down on a losing hand and expect somehow to beat the odds. Hopefully they go home and never come back.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 04 14:02:19
i disagree... won't be surprising to people who have been paying attention, but it should definitely stir things up

even though Trump will claim it's all fake, there are things he will privately know are true & it will sow discord w/ those around him, plus many will have to either admit they said the things or be willing to turn liar to the public (which obviously is no problem for Trump-like people, but would be for Mattis presumably & many others)

although we may just get a lot of Rex Tillerson type responses where they won't admit nor deny (as he did w/ 'fucking moron')... which basically is admission... how hard is it to say, 'no, that's ridiculous, i never said that' if that was the case, given he was repeatedly pressed
McKobb
Member
Tue Sep 04 14:24:44
Should be a best seller.
murder
Member
Tue Sep 04 14:51:01

"plus many will have to either admit they said the things or be willing to turn liar to the public"

They are all already liars. That's Trump 101. He makes people lie on his behalf to prove their loyalty to him.

The more outrageous, the better.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 04 16:30:07
a semi-interesting phone call (w/ transcript) between Woodward & total liar Trump... also includes lying snake Kellyanne Conway

http://www...trump-journalist-bob-woodward/

much of it Trump claiming he's the greatest ever, & how he would've loved to talk to Bob but apparently no one wanted to let Trump talk to Bob & never told him (or he's lying as usual... either scenario plausible, surely his staff wants to keep his delusional lying ass away from non-Fox News 'reporter's whenever possible)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 04 16:31:49
...there's no way talking with Trump could've added accuracy to anything
patom
Member
Tue Sep 04 17:14:00
I can see the Twitterman starting an investigation of Woodward and the publishers. Both will be audited and all their records and sources will need to be investigated.
werewolf dictator
Member
Tue Sep 04 20:54:08
politico..

White House chief of staff John Kelly once again denied that he ever called President Donald Trump an “idiot,” in a response to published excerpts from the book.

“The idea I ever called the President an idiot is not true,” Kelly said in a statement released by the White House earlier Tuesday.

Kelly was reported to have lost his temper often and said he thought Trump was “unhinged,” according to The Washington Post, which published excerpts of Woodward’s book. Woodward also said that Kelly said the president was “an idiot.”

“It’s pointless to try to convince him of anything,” Kelly said, according to the excerpt published in The Post. “He’s gone off the rails. We’re in Crazytown. I don’t even know why any of us are here. This is the worst job I’ve ever had.”

NBC News first reported in May that Kelly had referred to Trump as an idiot multiple times, making several remarks “insulting the president’s intelligence and casting himself as the savior of the country.”

In the White House statement released on Tuesday, Kelly re-upped an official comment he made in May, calling the accusations “total BS.”

“I spend more time with the President than anyone else, and we have an incredibly candid and strong relationship,” he said in the statement. “I’m committed to the President, his agenda, and our country. This is another pathetic attempt to smear people close to President Trump and distract from the administration’s many successes.”

Similarly, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis denied having questioned Trump’s intelligence, after an excerpt from the new book said the president had the understanding of “a fifth- or sixth-grader.”

“The contemptuous words about the president attributed to me in Woodward‘s book were never uttered by me or in my presence,” Mattis said in a statement on Tuesday evening. “While I generally enjoy reading fiction, this is a uniquely Washington brand of literature, and his anonymous sources do not lend credibility.“

His comments about Trump were reportedly made after a National Security Council meeting in January in which the president questioned the costs of keeping a U.S. military presence on the Korean Peninsula. Mattis told Trump that armed forces were necessary “in order to prevent World War III,” according to Woodward’s book.

“In serving in this administration, the idea that I would show contempt for the elected commander in chief, President Trump, or tolerate disrespect to the office of the president from within our Department of Defense, is a product of someone's rich imagination,” Mattis said in his statement.

.....

supposedly arguing that troops in korea will prevent ww3 doesn't even seem plausible..

if war starts in korea and usa troops are there then americans are likely to end up getting nuked by nk [including in american cities].. even if that don't happen then it's still easy to imagine china to get involved in fighting against the us since china did that the previous time.. maybe that could get really out of hand

but how is something like ww3 going to start if usa troops aren't in korea and america isn't involved.. are china and russia going to fight each other for some inexplicable reason.. or are europeans going to enter the fray and start fighting either china or russia.. i don't get what the argument for ww3 starting would be without usa troops there


it looks like more "lanny davis declined to comment" stuff
hood
Member
Tue Sep 04 21:34:46
Putin is getting even slower with his marching orders.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 04 21:40:42
Scaramucci was on Cuomo's show, he conceded there were plenty of comments made by Trump about others and vice verse that would be 'regrettable' if revealed

and I doubt Woodward would decide to throw his reputation in the trash with a fake book (plus he says he has 100s of hours of tapes)
smart dude
Member
Tue Sep 04 22:59:33
Where's Rod to call out this obvious fake news by a hack journalist?
CrownRoyal
Member
Thu Sep 06 09:47:11
"President Donald Trump has called Attorney General Jeff Sessions "mentally retarded" and a "dumb Southerner," striking a far more shocking and profane tone in private than his public attacks, according to a new book from legendary journalist Bob Woodward."

This is the language of some East Coast, New York liberal elite Ivy League school millionaire heir Democratic party donor. Not Trump's
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Sep 07 10:55:19
"The Woodward book is a scam. I don’t talk the way I am quoted. If I did I would not have been elected President. These quotes were made up. The author uses every trick in the book to demean and belittle. I wish the people could see the real facts - and our country is doing GREAT!"
~Trump - today

------

"Only the Obama WH can get away with attacking Bob Woodward."
~Trump - Mar 2013

http://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/307582196196188160
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Sep 07 11:48:15
here's the idiot explaining how Helsinki was great... note unenthusiastic guy to the left of his head
http://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1037881018454343681

there's also another clip of that guy seemingly not buying that winning the electoral college is way harder than the popular vote that the idiot was claiming (i lost track of that clip)

now in another video... (cont'd)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Sep 07 11:49:38
here he has been replaced, and two other dumpy ones are getting replaced:

http://twitter.com/TheViewFromLL2/status/1037915598418784257

there have also been ads posted hiring people for these events, so probably everyone back there is a paid actor...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Sep 13 10:48:45
wow...

"3000 people did not die in the two hurricanes that hit Puerto Rico. When I left the Island, AFTER the storm had hit, they had anywhere from 6 to 18 deaths. As time went by it did not go up by much. Then, a long time later, they started to report really large numbers, like 3000.

This was done by the Democrats in order to make me look as bad as possible when I was successfully raising Billions of Dollars to help rebuild Puerto Rico. If a person died for any reason, like old age, just add them onto the list. Bad politics. I love Puerto Rico!"
Sam Adams
Member
Thu Sep 13 12:38:39
Trump has a point. Excess mortality of old people is common after a wide range of social disruptions and this is not the standard by which the stats of any other hurricane were compiled. Trump is correct on this issue.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Sep 13 14:40:24
that is not his point... he's saying the hurricane didn't cause the deaths & it's a Dem hoax
patom
Member
Thu Sep 13 14:51:39
I wonder if the Twitterman has done a credit check on N. Carolina and S. Carolina. Possibly Virginia.

He didn't want to do anything for Puerto Rico because they owed a lot of money to Wall Street.
Sam Adams
Member
Thu Sep 13 14:58:23
The hurricane didnt really cause those deaths. Old age was the primary cause. The hurricane was a minor contributor.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Sep 13 16:24:43
if not for the hurricane would those 2,975 estimated deaths have still been expected?

(the answer is 'no', as that was the whole basis of the study that came up with the 2,975 number... your answer can't be 'yes' as the 2,975 would then have no meaning thus the 'yes' answer would have no meaning)
patom
Member
Fri Sep 14 04:01:58
Sam, when was the last time you read an obituary that said the person died of "Old Age"?

People die of a cause not a date.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Sep 15 18:00:44
3 endorsements in a row by the idiot child:

"
____ will be tough on Crime and the Border, fight hard for our Second Amendment and loves our Military and our Vets. He has my full and complete Endorsement!

____ is strong on Crime, the Border, and our Second Amendment. Loves our Military and our Vets. He has my total Endorsement!

____ is Strong on Crime, the Border and our under siege 2nd Amendment. Danny Loves our Military and our Vets. He has my total and complete Endorsement!
"

you can tell he really knows these people!

he says that same basic thing every endorsement, but making it a bit more obvious this time w/ the triple post
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Sep 16 11:03:16
Congrats!!!
'president' Trump has made over 5000 false or misleading claims
http://www...an-false-or-misleading-claims/

...and his rate is accelerating
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Sep 17 16:54:40
Trump working on his own fishing expedition... ordering release of unredacted info from a bunch of people... including specific pages of that Page FISA warrant, nothing suspicious there...:


"
At the request of a number of committees of Congress, and for reasons of transparency, the President has directed the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to provide for the immediate declassification of the following materials: (1) pages 10-12 and 17-34 of the June 2017 application to the FISA court in the matter of Carter W. Page; (2) all FBI reports of interviews with Bruce G. Ohr prepared in connection with the Russia investigation; and (3) all FBI reports of interviews prepared in connection with all Carter Page FISA applications.

In addition, President Donald J. Trump has directed the Department of Justice (including the FBI) to publicly release all text messages relating to the Russia investigation, without redaction, of James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Bruce Ohr.
"

http://www.../statement-press-secretary-34/
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 18 13:54:27
the Polish president wants a US base in Poland... says he'll name it "Fort Trump" which caused Trump's toadstool to explode
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 18 13:55:29
this is totally against everything Trump has ever said, so we'll see if naming it after him makes all the difference...probably will
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 19 11:26:41
"I don’t have an attorney general. It’s very sad."

"And I guess I study history, and I say I just want to leave things alone, but it was very unfair what he did."
[in recusing himself... which was absolutely what he had to do as he was part of the campaign being investigated]


& somehow i'm skeptical that Trump studies history or anything at all
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 19 11:39:01
“If I did one mistake with Comey, I should have fired him before I got here. I should have fired him the day I won the primaries,” Trump said. “I should have fired him right after the convention, say I don’t want that guy. Or at least fired him the first day on the job. ... I would have been better off firing him or putting out a statement that I don’t want him there when I get there.”


stable genius talking...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 19 11:42:58
“They know this is one of the great scandals in the history of our country because basically what they did is, they used Carter Page, who nobody even knew, who I feel very badly for, I think he’s been treated very badly. They used Carter Page as a foil in order to surveil a candidate for the presidency of the United States.”

well, the Page FISA wasn't until AFTER he left the campaign (& long after the investigation into campaign had started) so this is all typical bullshit
Delude
Member
Wed Sep 19 11:45:22
Defenders of trump still believe him
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Sep 21 11:23:02
reportedly Trump had been bragging about the good press he was receiving for behaving like a normal adult about Kavanaugh/Ford... well that's over:


"I have no doubt that, if the attack on Dr. Ford was as bad as she says, charges would have been immediately filed with local Law Enforcement Authorities by either her or her loving parents. I ask that she bring those filings forward so that we can learn date, time, and place!"


so... suggests he hasn't even read what she claims as it wasn't particularly bad, relatively speaking... plus the ridiculous notion that he has 'no doubt' there'd be a police report, because i guess we all know sexual assault victims run right to the cops immediately every time...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Sep 22 12:13:15
on his above decision to declassify docs (that he hasn't even read, nor ever will), he said he was influenced by:

"I have been asked by so many people that I respect, please—the great Lou Dobbs, the great Sean Hannity, the wonderful great Jeanine Pirro"


he's backtracking some on the plan, perhaps someone informed him those people are 3 disgusting shills who deserve no respect...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 26 16:57:38
a fairly sizable dumpster fire of a press conference w/ Trump going on

plenty of lies & idiocy & brags being tossed out
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 26 17:14:41
my god, he is hard to listen too... he forgets the question within seconds & drifts off into Trump world

yet, i must know what stupid thing he will say next :p
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Sep 29 21:21:40
Trump on Kim Jong Un:
"I was really being tough and so was he. And we would go back and forth. And then we fell in love. No really. He wrote me beautiful letters. They were great letters. And then we fell in love."
Pillz
Member
Sat Sep 29 21:51:15
Sauce
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Sep 29 22:13:01
circa 2:20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUctQdT0irk
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Sep 29 22:21:12
...and he is maintaining his obsession with the plane of cash, still claiming it was part of the Iran Deal... god forbid anyone ever correct his continual repetition of false information
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Oct 01 11:51:10
Trump calls on Cecilia Vega of ABC News:


"She's shocked that I picked her... she's in a state of shock."

"I'm not thinking that"

"That's OK. I know you're not thinking. You never do."

http://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1046794517226098688

the insult comic idiot child president
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 05 11:04:40
"
The very rude elevator screamers are paid professionals only looking to make Senators look bad. Don’t fall for it! Also, look at all of the professionally made identical signs. Paid for by Soros and others. These are not signs made in the basement from love! #Troublemakers
"
~idiot

about an hour prior:
Maria Bartiromo asked Chuck Grassley if he thinks George Soros is paying the elevator protesters. "I have heard so many people believe that. I tend to believe it."


so made-up rumors are fact now... even beyond the idiot...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Oct 07 01:20:53
"
You don’t hand matches to an arsonist, and you don’t give power to an angry left-wing mob. Democrats have become too EXTREME and TOO DANGEROUS to govern. Republicans believe in the rule of law - not the rule of the mob. VOTE REPUBLICAN!
"
~uniter


maybe we'll see a variation of that as an emergency cellphone alert when he ignores the election results in 2020 & demands his gullible idiot army rise up to protect him
Pillz
Member
Sun Oct 07 02:41:59
How do you imagine he'd ignore his reelection?

Trump is serving two terms minimum.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Oct 07 08:22:43

"Trump is serving two terms minimum."


And maximum.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Oct 16 11:14:05
"
“Federal Judge throws out Stormy Danials lawsuit versus Trump. Trump is entitled to full legal fees.” @FoxNews Great, now I can go after Horseface and her 3rd rate lawyer in the Great State of Texas. She will confirm the letter she signed! She knows nothing about me, a total con!
"

that's the President of the United States insulting the appearance of the porn star with whom he cheated on his wife
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Oct 16 11:40:06

For all of the shit she caused him after she was paid a great deal of money not to cause him any shit, he has the right to call her anything he likes.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Oct 16 11:40:37

I M H O.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Oct 16 14:04:59
yeah, she caused Trump to be an unindicted co-conspirator in a felony committed by his long-time criminal lawyer when he paid her to keep quiet about Trump cheating on his wife to keep his adoring fans unaware of one of the many disgusting & fraudulent aspects of his entire lie of a life story

what a bitch
Average Ameriacn
Member
Tue Oct 16 15:02:51
She has a horse face.
He has a horse cock.
hood
Member
Tue Oct 16 15:12:12
"He has a horse cock."

He has a toadstool*. Get it right.
Rugian
Member
Tue Oct 16 15:39:15
If I forked over $130,000 to someone for an NDA, I'd certainly want them to keep their mouth shut. Trump is the victim here.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Oct 16 16:26:27

Absolutely.

tw is so full of hate he is blinded by it and that makes him incapable of recognizing the truth.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Oct 16 16:54:56
and i'm sure your opinion would be identical if it was Obama who cheated on his wife w/ a porn star, covered it up in a felony, and was now using childish name-calling (granted not new for the continuous child Trump)

the blinded people here are clear
Rugian
Member
Tue Oct 16 17:01:53
Have you seen Obama's wife? If he did that I'd want to give him a high five for finally scoring some human snatch.

(Sorry I couldn't resist)
hood
Member
Tue Oct 16 17:09:55
"Have you seen Obama's wife? If he did that I'd want to give him a high five for finally scoring some human snatch."

You forgot to include that the high five would be through the jail bars you stuffed him behind after 6 years of investigation into the felony cover up.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Oct 16 17:15:26
and he prefers terrorist fist jabs
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Oct 16 18:00:48

tw - covered it up in a felony


What felony? No crime was committed.

kargen
Member
Tue Oct 16 18:24:53
Actually a crime might have been committed but if so it wasn't by President Trump.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Oct 16 18:34:45
a crime WAS committed as it was pleaded guilty to and accepted, our courts don't accept guilty pleas to non-crimes

& Cohen claimed he did it at the request of Trump, Trump is on tape discussing the other pay-off, and the Trump Org repaid Cohen with fake legal invoices

odds of Trump being fully aware (or as much as his mind is capable of doing so) = 99.999%
Rugian
Member
Tue Oct 16 18:35:54
Hood,

Gitmo cell doors don't have bars.

"tumbleweed
the wanderer Tue Oct 16 17:15:26
and he prefers terrorist fist jabs"

I googled that and came across a Fox News anchor apologizing for accidentally associating the president with terrorism. I practically don't even recognize the America that took place in.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Oct 16 19:11:39

FOX fired an Anchor for saying a fist bump between the Obama's was a terrorist bump.

hood
Member
Tue Oct 16 19:21:29
"Gitmo cell doors don't have bars."

Touche, but overkill, no?
kargen
Member
Tue Oct 16 19:34:55
Even if President Trump were aware isn't the crime illegal campaign contributions and since a candidate can use as much of his own money as he wants the crime wasn't committed by President Trump. The other crimes are all on Cohen.

President Trump told Cohen to handle it but there so far is nothing that proves President Trump was privy to the details. That was probably by design.

Oh and all those people that donated to Stormy Danials GoFundMe page are now probably paying for Trumps legal fees.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Oct 16 20:01:58

That last is funny as hell.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Oct 16 20:17:04
only the defamation suit was won by Trump, that's not the main case

and Trump didnt use his own money, Trump Org paid with fake invoices, this is fact

and Trump is on tape discussing the other payment and setting up a shell corporation... there's no way he didn't know about the payments or the plan to pay back Cohen
kargen
Member
Tue Oct 16 21:44:28
Well no shit! It is right there on tape where he says pay with a check. That isn't a crime. Paying a lawyer for his services also not a crime. That people inside Trump Org tried to miss characterize the payments and Cohen misrepresented services done and timeline that is a crime. There is no evidence nor was there any expectation that President Trump would so micro manage that situation that he would have known those details. Again probably by design.

Cohen says the payment was paid to influence the election. President Trump says the payment was to keep the story away from his wife and family. Legally you gotta take Trump at his word on that one.
No crime by President Trump so far.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Oct 16 21:52:58
"Cohen says the payment was paid to influence the election."
... & said so under oath


"President Trump says the payment was to keep the story away from his wife and family."
... i don't recall him ever saying that, that's just what his defenders repeatedly suggested he say in order to avoid criminal liability


"Legally you gotta take Trump at his word on that one"
... you'd be a fucking idiot to take Trump's word on anything, especially when related to himself, it's almost an axiom that it would be false
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Oct 16 21:54:20
also the long-term deal with the National Enquirer to grab stories to help his campaign is not something that would've been kept hidden from Trump... why would it
hood
Member
Tue Oct 16 22:19:04
"Legally you gotta take Trump at his word on that one."

Not at all. Not even remotely. In fact, there is absolutely no legal precedent whatsoever. We should assume innocence until proven guilty, legally, but even legally we can suspect guilt and investigate guilt and not believe a statement of innocence.

Quite the opposite from your account, Trump hasn't said a word under oath. There's no logical or convincing reason to believe a word he's said, not when one of the many defenses of the man is that he's a bullshitter. Even statements under oath must be convincing to believe him.

We may not be able to charge and/or punish him without convincing evidence, but we don't have to believe a word he says.
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