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Hot Stick
Member
Thu Sep 06 03:33:52
http://www...present-a-wild-theory-11770036

These "Lodestar" Tweets On Mike Pence & The 'New York Times' Op-Ed Present A Wild Theory

In a rare move on Wednesday The New York Times published an anonymous opinion piece, which it said came from a senior member of the Trump administration. The piece, which is highly critical of the president, naturally had Twitter speculating about the identity of its author. Focusing on the author's use of the word "lodestar," some tweets speculate Mike Pence wrote theTimes op-ed — and the theory is driving Twitter bonkers. Bustle has reached out to the White House for comment.


White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders responded to the op-ed in a statement, calling it "pathetic, reckless, and selfish," and a "new low for the so-called 'paper of record.'" She demanded that The Times issue an apology for publishing the piece. The president also reacted on Twitter, questioning the existence of the anonymous official and saying that if they do exist, they should be handed over to the government for "National Security purposes."

In Wednesday's piece, the writer lauded Sen. John McCain for his bipartisan approach to politics, and warned Americans to "break free of the tribalism trap." They continued, "We may no longer have Senator McCain. But we will always have his example — a lodestar for restoring honor to public life and our national dialogue. Mr. Trump may fear such honorable men, but we should revere them."

According to Dan Bloom, a senior producer at Panoply Media, that paragraph rules out as authors policy advisor Stephen Miller and social media director Dan Scavino, who Bloom says would not bother praising McCain. Instead, Bloom narrows in on the word "lodestar." Lodestar is an astronomy term, used to describe something that serves as an inspiration and a guide, according to Merriam-Webster Dictionary. It "just seems like an unusual word to use in general, not to mention in an op-ed that's going to be widely read," Bloom tweeted Wednesday afternoon. "It has this whiff of sanctimony."

Bloom said he searched for the word "lodestar" in relation to chief of staff John Kelly, and Secretary of Defense John Mattis, but found nothing. However, when he included Pence's name, Bloom said he found multiple examples of the vice president giving speeches over the years featuring the word.

Bloom then proceeded to tweet a series of excerpts from those statements, which include a speech at the United Nations in September 2017, a talk at the Jack Kemp Leadership Award Dinner later that year, and Pence speaking in Tokyo next to prime minister Shinzo Abe in 2018.

Some Twitter users questioned whether the piece could have been penned by Pence's speechwriter, and not Pence himself. But Bloom responded, pointing out that Pence's speechwriter, Stephen Ford, has only worked for Pence since 2017, and Pence's "lodestar" use dates back at least as far as 2001.

Despite how riveting Twitter seems to find it, Bloom's theory is still just speculation around a White House known for its frequent leaks. Business Insider reported that Trump administration staffers giving anonymous statements are known to use idioms and phrases that other Trump administration officials would typically use, in order to avoid blame. "To cover my tracks, I usually pay attention to other staffers' idioms and use that in my background quotes," an anonymous White House official told Axios in May. "That throws the scent off me."
Paramount
Member
Thu Sep 06 04:01:17
Nah, the letter was written by an anonymous source. Anonymous sources doesn't exist. So it is fake news! The truth is that everyone in the White House loves Trump because he is a genius, a good leader, and a good husband.
McKobb
Member
Thu Sep 06 04:15:43
Soon we will collectively say to Trump, "You're fired!".
Paramount
Member
Thu Sep 06 04:16:11
"Focusing on the author's use of the word "lodestar," some tweets speculate Mike Pence wrote theTimes op-ed"


It could be Mike Pence.

But it could also be Mattis.

The author wrote: "It may be cold comfort in this chaotic era, but Americans should know that there are adults in the room."


According to Woodward, Mattis has referred to Trump as a child, and the author of the letter is referring to him/her/themselves as adults.


Maybe it is Mattis, Pence and Kelly together. But Woodward's book is fake so it can't be any of them?

But it could also be Hillary who may still be mad that she lost and is now trying to create chaos and distrust in Trump's administration.

Or maybe it was Iran who pretended to be someone in White House, who sent the letter to NY Times.
Rugian
Member
Thu Sep 06 04:31:50
Glenn Greenwald
@ggreenwald
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12h
"Many of the complaints from the NYT's anonymous WH coward - not all, but many - are ideological: that Trump deviates from GOP orthodoxy, an ideology he didn't campaign on & that voters didn't ratify. Trump may be a threat but so is this covert coup to impose these policies.

The irony in the op-ed from the NYT's anonymous WH coward is glaring and massive: s/he accuses Trump of being "anti-democratic" while boasting of membership in an unelected cabal that covertly imposes their own ideology with zero democratic accountability, mandate or transparency"

http://mob...ald/status/1037450665218527235
patom
Member
Thu Sep 06 04:32:21
Could be Pence. He's a Jesus Freak. Or at least he spouts off as one. In my experience those types will stab you in the back in a NY second.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Sep 06 06:49:38

The author is a slimy, low brow liberal.


NUFF SAID.

smart dude
Member
Thu Sep 06 07:24:13
^ moron
hood
Member
Thu Sep 06 07:29:32
He's just saying that slimy, liberal Trump appointed slimy, liberal executive staff.
Rugian
Member
Thu Sep 06 08:23:29
My theory is that the NYT spent some time researching the writing styles of loyal administration members, then wrote up this piece in an attempt to get those officials fired.

And if that sounds ridiculous, it's still way more logical than the alternative, which is "conservative thinks he can garner support for the GOP by writing to the NYT that a secret cabal hijacked control of the government away from the party's emotionally unfit president and is unaccountably making policy decisions while hoping that the same emotionally unfit president isn't going to want to nuke his entire administration once this story breaks."

This whole thing is utterly bizarre.
murder
Member
Thu Sep 06 09:54:24

The key to understanding the op-ed is this part ...

"The erratic behavior would be more concerning if it weren’t for unsung heroes in and around the White House. Some of his aides have been cast as villains by the media. But in private, they have gone to great lengths to keep bad decisions contained to the West Wing, though they are clearly not always successful."

(S)he views his/herself as a hero defending America ... while being vilified.

That's what brought this on.

I have a strong suspicion that it's Kirstjen Nielsen.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Sep 06 10:45:25
a crazy lady (Trump supporter) on CNN was angrily wondering 'where is Mike Pence?!' suggesting he was not visible enough & saying 'they(Trump & Pence) were supposed to be a team' (cause she's an idiot)

someone else joked that maybe he's writing op-eds for the NYT, & she was ready to believe it instantly

Pence better watch out :p

-------

also, HR suspecting the writer is a liberal shows how great his news sources are... i hope that's not what's being pushed on Fox News but i'm afraid to look :p
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Sep 06 10:55:38
Sarah Sanders has tweeted out the NYT phone # asking all to call & demand the identity

very professional
Paramount
Member
Thu Sep 06 11:03:13
”S)he views his/herself as a hero defending America ... while being vilified.”

Maybe it is Trump himself who wrote that letter to the NYT.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Sep 06 11:07:04
^that is one thing we can be certain is not the case... Trump is incapable of writing anything that doesn't immediately identify himself... unlike basically every adult
Paramount
Member
Thu Sep 06 11:21:06
Dayum.. look at that picture of Trump. He looks like a broken man. Like he is about to give up. They broke him. He looks so sad and empty. Like there’s nothing left and he is ready to resign.

http://edi...trump-mystery-op-ed/index.html
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Sep 06 11:56:42
"Freedom of speech is an important pillar of our nation’s founding principles and a free press is important to our democracy. The press should be fair, unbiased and responsible. Unidentified sources have become the majority of the voices people hear about in today’s news. People with no names are writing our nation’s history. Words are important, and accusations can lead to severe consequences. If a person is bold enough to accuse people of negative actions, they have a responsibility to publicly stand by their words and people have the right to be able to defend themselves. To the writer of the op-ed — you are not protecting this country, you are sabotaging it with your cowardly actions."
~Melanie


so either Trump kept her awake all night with his screaming & banging on walls in the next room or he's threatening everyone who doesn't come out against the op-ed & book
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Sep 06 13:43:34
CNN just played about 6 clips of Pence saying "lodestar"... i hope Trump was watching :p
murder
Member
Thu Sep 06 16:42:30

Of course he was. He's always watching.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Sep 06 22:59:09
here are some people who have denied it
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmcQcciXcAAtTGs.jpg
...not that they couldn't be lying
Y2A
Member
Thu Sep 06 23:11:25
Use a rare word used frequently by the vice president to try and get the clown paranoid against his own number 2 and cause chaos. This person is smart.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Sep 06 23:19:21
i dunno about that... people are misrepresenting this as someone trying to sabotage Trump when the person is actually saving Trump, or at least his presidency... not sure any reason for them to sow discord w/ Pence
Paramount
Member
Fri Sep 07 00:44:30
here are some people who have denied it
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmcQcciXcAAtTGs.jpg


^ I notice that neither Ivanka, Kushner or Putin is on that list of people who has come out and denied that they wrote the op-ed.
jergul
large member
Fri Sep 07 00:56:46
Para
I too think it probably was Putin. Lodestone is a common Russian word.
Paramount
Member
Fri Sep 07 03:48:26
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmcQcciXcAAtTGs.jpg

Wouldn't it be fun if all these people ^ are part of The Resistance and they are all denying it? LOL
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Sep 07 04:20:24

No.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Sep 07 04:36:10

LOL, Elizabeth Warren said that the anonymous Op-Ed in the ny times is enough to remove President Trump from office.

Paramount
Member
Fri Sep 07 07:22:46
Sounds good to me.

Someone needs take over the rudder now that Trump has lost control. It makes sense that Pence steps in now.
Seb
Member
Fri Sep 07 07:27:11
Thinking on it, I suspect it is Pense instigated.

The target of the message is twofold: the non-Trump republican base for midterms and future elections:

"Don't worry about the crazy, we've got him under control".


The beneficiary then and anyone from the republican establishment who wants to keep hold of congress and might be thinking of running in future.

The note helps moderate republican voters feel that the dangerous excesses are kept under control.

And if it works, then it means future republican leaders can safely campaign on a crazy trumpist, and still secure moderate republican votes. Which is going to be necessary.

So I suspect this will be someone close to Pense, who is the obvious person to run if Trump falls.

And if Trump is impeached, then the author can reveal himself and say "pense was one of the good guys".

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Sep 07 11:04:25
How about lying snake Kellyanne Conway?
- she put Trump on teleprompter 100% of the time after she took over his campaign
- she stopped Trump from talking to Bob Woodward
- she admitted to treating him like a child when trying to limit his dumb tweets (using some cookies analogy)
- her husband tweets insults of Trump (maybe he wrote it for her so she could deny... even though she's a lying snake so could deny anyway)

she clearly knows he's an idiot
Seb
Member
Fri Sep 07 16:20:25
How does this help her though?

The publication date for Woodward books been known for ages.

This is a response to that aimed at wavering moderate republicans for the midterms. Which means it's got to cone from someone whose loyal to the republican party, not Trump personally.

And I don't see how it really helps an individual on their own half.
Seb
Member
Fri Sep 07 16:20:25
How does this help her though?

The publication date for Woodward books been known for ages.

This is a response to that aimed at wavering moderate republicans for the midterms. Which means it's got to cone from someone whose loyal to the republican party, not Trump personally.

And I don't see how it really helps an individual on their own half.
Paramount
Member
Mon Sep 10 10:31:47
If Trump is so smart, why hasn’t he caught and exposed the author yet?
Paramount
Member
Mon Sep 10 10:38:55
Maybe because the people who he gave the order to investigate the author are members of The Resistance. LOL
Paramount
Member
Mon Sep 10 10:46:41
I think Trump needs to hire independent investigators to investigate this case. Someone outside of the administration, someone he can trust. Like the Israeli Mossad, or Chuck Norris.
hood
Member
Mon Sep 10 10:57:23
You can't trust Chuck Norris.
Paramount
Member
Tue Sep 11 15:01:50
I thought Chuck Norris supported Trump?

Another day has passed now, and Trump still haven't found the author.

I doubt Trump will find the author, because everyone around him is protecting author. Let's see, what did the author write again:

"It may be cold comfort in this chaotic era, but Americans should know that there are adults in the room. We fully recognize what is happening. And we are trying to do what’s right even when Donald Trump won’t."

Trump needs to fire his entire administration :)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 11 18:46:09
Kellyanne Conway (snake) tweet:
"Cowards are like criminals. They normally suss out themselves by bragging about their nefarious actions to the wrong people."

Michael Cohen (of Boston Globe, not Trump's long-time criminal associate & co-conspirator) replied with the Trump quote:
“I just fired the head of the FBI. He was crazy. A real nut job. I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off”


zing!
Rugian
Member
Tue Sep 11 18:48:21
The real person that Trump should fire is the head of the NSA for not figuring this shit out by now.

Credit where credit's due, Obama would have had this guy in prison by the weekend.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 11 18:55:41
it's not really one person, it's most of them
even Kellyanne restrains Trump


"the biggest issue they're gonna have is figuring out who -wouldn't- have written it"
~ Bob Corker (R)
LazyCommunist
Member
Wed Sep 12 17:27:33
Wikileaks does it again and leaks the author:
http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1037880524516282370
Based upon our statistical analysis of the language used in the New York Times anonymous Op Ed, the author is likely to be an older (58%), conservative (92%) male (66-87%). Sources should protect themselves by consulting "adverserial stylometry" and "forensic author profiling".
Paramount
Member
Thu Sep 13 11:16:53
Another day has passed and Trump has still not figured out who wrote the op-ed. lol
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Sep 13 11:18:51
supposedly Gen. Kelly & Kellyanne both trying to get Trump not to worry about it

probably everyone is on the op-ed person's side
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