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murder
Member
Fri Sep 07 06:38:49
http://twitter.com/gifdsports/status/1037956804611854336

Musk must've shorted his own stock. He's trying to get himself fired from his own company ala Steve Jobs.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Sep 07 06:41:16

Ah yes, the good old days.

murder
Member
Fri Sep 07 06:44:48

Mind you this is weeks after proposing that he was taking Tesla private at "$420".

Maybe Musk is going to abandon making electric cars and switch to pot growing and distribution.

murder
Member
Fri Sep 07 06:49:56

Oh and there was also the crazy rapper bitch at his home claiming that he was on acid.

And this guy is the CEO of Tesla, SpaceX, and Neuralink.

I see a lot of destruction coming up. I can't imagine that NASA will continue to give contracts to SpaceX while this idiot spirals out of control.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Sep 07 08:48:43
Stev Jobs also took LSD and saw it as a life changing moment.

He got fired and then came back and not only saved Apple but it to the gigantic and trend setting brand we love and hate. You couldn’t have chosen a worse comparison.

And btw, drugs are awesome, provided you do not abuse them, it’s like everything else in life.
murder
Member
Fri Sep 07 08:51:50

"He got fired and then came back and not only saved Apple but it to the gigantic and trend setting brand we love and hate. You couldn’t have chosen a worse comparison."

That's exactly why I chose that comparison. I think that he thinks things will turn out the same.

They won't.
Seb
Member
Fri Sep 07 08:55:57
Rocketry and cars are high risk products - depend on safety. And where he wants to go with those companies is very different from where they will go if he is not firmly at the helm - so the board and shareholders will not hire him back.

Someone needs to take Elon Musk gently to one side and explain he needs to take a year long break. Hire too really good CEO's to run the company while he takes an emeritus role. He also needs to ditch twitter.

Much of this is that he's clearly suffering late stage burnout.

Being a CEO of one major disruptive company with aggressive growth plans is enough. Being CEO of two and being an internet celebrity is too much.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Sep 07 09:01:04
murder
Jobs took LSD long before Apple. There is not relation.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Sep 07 09:02:04
Him getting fired was not getting along with the CEO he hired.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Sep 07 09:08:16
If he is suffering from anything, the cannabis and LSD will let him know. I have a friend who broke down recently taking LSD, months prior we had spoken about him needing to cool down a bit, he was like no no if I plan well I can do this.

It all became clear when he took LSD and broke down and couldn’t go to work for 2 weeks. I even told him before he did it, if you have repressed something, expect it to come to the surface. He is on the path to balance now.

LSD saves lives.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Sep 07 09:09:08
Cool down a bit with work that is.
smart dude
Member
Fri Sep 07 09:29:38
Just saw the video. He took one one puff and didn't even inhale.
obaminated
Member
Fri Sep 07 09:51:14
Joe Rogan is a bad influence. Musk is clearly a nerd who wanted to impress Rogan who is an alpha. He also didnt inhale as SD stated. But really guys, peer pressure isn't good.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Sep 07 09:52:56
I shall make up for Elon Musks failure then.
Forwyn
Member
Fri Sep 07 10:46:21
He only broke a few short-selling parasites with his private option statements.

Usually fleas take multiple treatment cycles to purge.
smart dude
Member
Sat Sep 08 08:44:13
Elon Musk appears on Joe Rogan's podcast. Takes a puff of a spliff and doesn't inhale.

"Elon Musk needs to take it easy because blah blah blah blah."
-Seb

Meanwhile it's a perfectly benign interview. Musk does nor says anything provocative.

"Something something Twitter something something Elon Musk."
-Seb

Someone is a successful individual who actually contributes to society beyond boring pencil-pushing mediocrity. Someone is a boring government pawn with zero contribution to society that no one will ever remember or amount anything. We are talking about a person who goes onto an obscure anonymous internet forum and actually BRAGS "uh, I can't post here anymore because I have a cool new government job and shouldn't post here anymore because derpa derpa derpa bullshit." What piece of shit. LOL.
smart dude
Member
Sat Sep 08 08:45:49
"I can't post here anymore because I have an important government job now."

-Seb

Jesus Christ. What a fucking hack.
smart dude
Member
Sat Sep 08 08:52:05
"Oh, I'm really sorry fellas. I can't post here anymore. Something something I'm real important now. So bye, bye for a few years. I don't my shitty government job to be compromised by this dumb forum,. In the meantime I'm an asshole who is better than all of your. Buh bye! :)))
Seb
Member
Sat Sep 08 09:47:41
Smart dude:

You pillock, this is only the latest in a number of things he's been doing.

Consider the context here. He's under investigation from the SEC, he's been accused of taking drugs when he made the statements that the SEC impose him over. He spends a lot of time engaging in twitter fights, one of which is bizarrely accusing a cave diver of paedophillia.

And immediately after the interview Tesla's chief accounting officer quit citing the public attention the company is getting.

You might want to look here (I viewed this thread as a continuation)

http://www...hread=83276&time=1536177544438

Yes, Musk has made some amazing contributions - but he's clearly burning out here and it's costing him and his company credibility.

You appear to be having a fit regarding my time working in public sector reform in the center of the UK government. I'm happy with what I achieved. The fact you spent so much time complaining about it speaks to your own insecurities. You are right, I probably did destroy a lot of value - for shareholders of a few big US tech companies.

And yes, I did have to scale back a great deal of my previous activity.

Seb
Member
Sat Sep 08 09:49:15
Nothing says "credibility" for a company facing SEC investigations over it's increasingly erratic CEO public statements that are alleged to be made while the CEO was high than when said CEO then goes onto a radio show and smokes a joint.

It says "this is a man who is always of fit mind when he is making decisions and displays excellent judgement".
Pillz
Member
Sat Sep 08 10:02:33
Seb believes in reefer madness?
Asgard
Member
Sat Sep 08 10:17:50
Only a complete fool wouldn't buy Tesla stock now
smart dude
Member
Sat Sep 08 10:56:27
obaminated
Member
Sat Sep 08 10:59:31
I think we can all agree, Seb, the red haired step child of the UP family, is a piece of shit.
Forwyn
Member
Sat Sep 08 11:07:53
The lesson here is: if you try to short-sell Musk, you're gonna get cucked hard
Seb
Member
Sat Sep 08 12:21:31
Pillz:

I believe that generally investors do not invest in companies run by people who appear to be making decisions when intoxicated.

If he was being accused of being a non functional alcoholic regularly making decisions when pissed, going on a talk show a necking a few pints probably wouldn't go down well.

Surprised you find this absurd.

Asgard:
Hmm, I would think hard about that. If it pulls through, now's a good time. But I'm not sure it's a great bet. The majors are getting into electrics, Tesla has no great technology they alone own. They have a good brand but they are weaker on fit and finish than others and the software architecture is frankly terrifying.

A lot of Tesla's future depends on being able to produce at quality and scale while retaining brand. They've just lost both their head of HR and Chief accounting officer (the latter in post for only a month) and their CEO appears to be having a public meltdown.

Trying to scale the way they are is hard enough, but the latter points are unforced errors.

Obaminated:
Actually I think I'm one of the few people that grew up that bothers to talk to you guys that didn't.

Forwyn:

Erm, you might get want to check Tesla's stock price now compared to where it was when he made his statement.

7th aug it was 380. Now it's 260. Just to help you put, losing a third of its share price means people shorting it look to make a tidy profit.

Whether you think Elons the shit and have utter confidence in his ability to run two large disruptive companies while picking personal Twitter fights and associated legal challenges; most money is rather conservative abput these things.

Anyway, I think it is sad someone obviously so gifted is being allowed by friends and colleagues to have a breakdown like this.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Sep 08 12:23:54
Prediction has been made. Elon Musk is burning out. What time frame are you talking about seb?
Seb
Member
Sat Sep 08 12:26:31
There hasn't been a single day when Tesla's stock price has been higher than when Musk made his going private tweet.

I kinda wonder why Forwyn thinks short sellers are cucked here.
Seb
Member
Sat Sep 08 12:37:05
Nim:
Observation has been made. I don't think I'd like to put a time frame on it; not least as there's no definitive cut off.

He's emailing journalists to accuse a guy that just rescued a bunch of kids a paedophile with no evidence hardly looks the action of someone whose well rested and ballanced. Clearly he's not spoken to his press advisor first as he seems to think putting "off the record" is enough to make it so.

Pretty much that's the kind or reckless, judgement free behaviour you see in late stage burnout.

murder
Member
Sat Sep 08 12:54:32

"I think we can all agree, Seb, the red haired step child of the UP family, is a piece of shit."

No we can't all agree.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Sep 08 13:05:17
The funny thing is, no one seems to mind the whiskey he drank in the same show...

seb
I see, just enough observed to gossip about celebrities, sorry "comment about current events".
Seb
Member
Sat Sep 08 13:17:42
Nim:

Ok, you tell me then what criteria I could use here to predict exactly when he will achieve turnout and how i'd quantify that he's achieved it.

You are being very silly.

Meanwhile it's very clear to everyone with an ounce of sense he's running himself into the ground.

Hell he did an interview where he said so.

Seb
Member
Sat Sep 08 13:20:52
're Whisky, yup. Cultural thing there.

But if you are being investigated for a market moving tweet and have bern accused of being high when making it, smoking a joint in public seems extraordinary poor judgement when your helming a publicly traded company.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Sep 08 13:51:55
You said "late stage", it isn't a completely obscure diagnosis we know nothing about, are we talking months? With in 24 months? I am saying we all appreciate the blow by blow diagnosis based on the snippets of a celebrities life you read about in the new papers, especially when it comes from lay people. In fact I prefer it come from lay people.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Sep 08 13:54:26
"But if you are being investigated for a market moving tweet and have bern accused of being high when making it, smoking a joint in public seems extraordinary poor judgement when your helming a publicly traded company."

Nothing happened in the podcast of any relevance to all of this. He drank some whiskey took one hit for effect and didn't even inhale. This is a storm in a tea cup inside your head.
Rugian
Member
Sat Sep 08 14:03:08
If you really wanted to argue that any of this was an example of Musk not exercising good judgement, it'd be his decision to appear on JRE in the first place. As much as I appreciate that show, there's a reason why few Fortune 500 CEOs go there.
murder
Member
Sat Sep 08 14:07:52

"This is a storm in a tea cup inside your head."

Tesla stock dropped 7% on the day and was down 10% at one point. It's not a storm in a tea cup in Sebs head.

Rugian
Member
Sat Sep 08 14:15:38
Oh no...murder bought Tesla stock based on a gag Tweet.
obaminated
Member
Sat Sep 08 14:16:06
@rugian - what do you mean? going on a show hosted by a dude who is a conspiracy theorist isn't a wise idea for a CEO???
obaminated
Member
Sat Sep 08 14:20:50
Really if we are talking about his bad judgement, look at the wife he divorced. I would probably give up a hand to bang her.
smart dude
Member
Sat Sep 08 14:43:37
Seb is a moron. It's been pointed out multiple times that he DIDN'T INHALE. Jesus. Now Seb is a psychoanalyst on top of being an expert on literally everything else too.
Seb
Member
Sat Sep 08 14:47:36
Nim:

And his chief accounting office certain quitting a day after citing the level of publicity around the company.

Rugian:

Both.
smart dude
Member
Sat Sep 08 15:02:46
"And his chief accounting office certain quitting a day after citing the level of publicity around the company."

Is this English?
Forwyn
Member
Sat Sep 08 15:04:33
"I kinda wonder why Forwyn thinks short sellers are cucked here."

"On August 7, Musk tweeted that he had secured funding to take Tesla private at an 18% premium. Stocks prices and trading volume rose dramatically. “Many Tesla short-sellers were forced to cover their positions at artificially high prices, losing approximately US$1.3bn in a single day,” Left writes in the suit."

http://for...tweet-lawsuit-citron-research/
werewolf dictator
Member
Sat Sep 08 15:08:28
if tesla was reporting profits and no one was worried about funny accounting.. then no one would care about smoking pot on joe rogan

instead it is serving as conversation starter about how musk has already been acting stressed over tesla.. and for more rumors people are leaving because they sense embarrassing doom
Seb
Member
Sat Sep 08 15:56:35
Smart dude:

Autocorrect and predictive text can do funny things sometimes.

Forwyn:

And likely making it back. The hedgies have doubled down.

And may yet successfully sue Musk, given it's becoming clear he had no basis for making that statement.

Smart Dude:

Do you think it matters whether he inhaled on the show? Are you an idiot?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Sep 08 17:20:20

murder - And this guy is the CEO of Tesla, SpaceX, and Neuralink.


Yes, and Sherlock Holmes used cocaine.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Sep 08 17:32:02
"Tesla stock dropped 7% on the day and was down 10% at one point. It's not a storm in a tea cup in Sebs head."

It's like you were born yesterday.
Seb
Member
Sat Sep 08 17:55:05
HotRod:

Sherlock Holmes is fictional.

Tesla sacks people for failing drugs tests for canabis.

Any wonder why their head of HR quit?
murder
Member
Sat Sep 08 20:19:21

"Many Tesla short-sellers were forced to cover their positions at artificially high prices, losing approximately US$1.3bn in a single day"

And now Musk and Tesla will be sued blind.

smart dude
Member
Sat Sep 08 20:36:24
"Do you think it matters whether he inhaled on the show? Are you an idiot?"

Uh, it's the difference between taking a drug and not taking a drug. Are you stupid?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Sep 08 21:24:28

"Sherlock Holmes is fictional."


HE'S WHAT?????

Why wasn't I informed?

Paramount
Member
Sun Sep 09 00:55:12
Maybe if you watched the real news you would have known.
Seb
Member
Sun Sep 09 04:33:01
Smart Dude:

Wow. You really don't get it do you. I'm not really sure I can be bothered to explain it to you.

Anyway, it led to his Head of HR and Chief Accounting officer quitting and his stock price slide accelerating. Tesla has lost over a third of its value in just over a month from his stupid tweet.

Those are the facts, and trying to argue with me that going on a radio show, smoke pot but not inhale shouldn't cast doubt on his judgement, priorities and focus; I'm afraid you are wasting your time. I don't hold his srtock nor short it. But I do know how institutional investors view this sort of behaviour and objectively you can see how they are acting on it.


Seb
Member
Sun Sep 09 04:33:01
Smart Dude:

Wow. You really don't get it do you. I'm not really sure I can be bothered to explain it to you.

Anyway, it led to his Head of HR and Chief Accounting officer quitting and his stock price slide accelerating. Tesla has lost over a third of its value in just over a month from his stupid tweet.

Those are the facts, and trying to argue with me that going on a radio show, smoke pot but not inhale shouldn't cast doubt on his judgement, priorities and focus; I'm afraid you are wasting your time. I don't hold his srtock nor short it. But I do know how institutional investors view this sort of behaviour and objectively you can see how they are acting on it.


Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun Sep 09 05:04:21
I heard people say the same things when Apple went out as pro gay rights. ”I am not against gay rights but if I was a shareholder I would worry”. Demographics and the culture are stacked heavily against your outdated mode of thinking. No one cares about Elon Musks twitter rage, even though the media failed to report it with any nuance. This is partly the old media raging ever since Musk announced taking on fake news.

”But I do know how institutional investors view this sort of behaviour”

No you don’t, you may at best know how some of them view this. Weed is still illegal in Sweden, I meet ”institutional” people (older than me) who think it is pretty meh.

And someone who doesn’t want to be on the ride quit, and? So what? Everyone is not expected to enjoy every ride and be part of everything.
Seb
Member
Sun Sep 09 07:04:25
Nim:

The difference is there's nothing wrong with bring pro gay rights, whilst embroiling yourself in a SEC investigation due to a rash tweet, allegedly because you were high - that tends to show poor judgement.

And then going on a radio show, and smoking a joint sends the message "I prioritise my immage over that of shareholders".

It's lost two of his c suite, at Tesla as a result, which is a meaningful long term impact.

It's likely to deeply worsen labour relations, as Tesla sacks people who are positive for canabis (which means personal use off the clock) yet its CEO appears to use it.

And we can see his antics are driving some people to sell, which means when those holding get hurt.

The inevitable takeaway then is that he doesn't seem to understand that by making himself a public celebrity and tying the brand immage of Tesla so closely to himself, he's playing with other people's money.

Unlike Apple, he actually *is* damaging the brand.

You can say it shouldn't all you like, but what else material has caused a 30% drop in share price this month?

Seb
Member
Sun Sep 09 07:08:57
It's not the weed itself.

It's that he's being accused of making illegal market moving statements while on it, and rather than damping it down he's playing it up.

This is unnecessary risk, and irresponsible when the brand of Tesla is integral to its value, and musk's personal brand is so tied o Tesla.

It's one thing to drink and do drugs. It's another to drink and do drugs when making business decisions, and another thing again to amp those up in public.

And that's poor judgement here, what does that say about his judgement for more prosaic matters? Is his risk appetite miscalibrated? Does it align to his investors?


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