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Anarchist Prime
Wed Sep 12 08:52:33
US refuses to certify Russian plane for
Open Skies Treaty inspections

Wed Sep 12 10:51:48
A deal with America means nothing.
Sam Adams
Wed Sep 12 11:19:51
A nation that just recently shot down a 777 and then lied about it is complaining about open skies? Ahahaha russians are retarded.
Wed Sep 12 11:29:24
Some context:

"August 14, 2018

President Donald Trump moved to block funding for an international surveillance treaty in his signing of a $717 billion national defense policy bill Monday, and Russian officials were quick to react.

The new law suspends funding for the Treaty on Open Skies, a pact that has allowed 34 member nations to send unarmed observation flights over one another's territory since 2002. Funding may be restored, according to the law, only after Russia is in "complete compliance with [its] obligations." Russian officials reportedly responded Tuesday by accusing the United States of breaking the treaty and even attempting to secretly build up its munitions.


The suspension of U.S. funding came after Russia cut the number of air bases the U.S. is allowed to observe, despite the treaty. Washington also accused Moscow of violating the treaty by setting a limit on the number of observational flights permitted over the militarized Kaliningrad exclave."

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Sep 12 16:42:19

"US delegation refused to sign the final document..."

Why should we allow the Russians the freedom to fly their spy planes over our country?

This is one of Bill Clinton's bright ideas.

(I was thinking it was Obama until I checked.)

Anarchist Prime
Thu Sep 13 12:10:40
Voice of America, PolygraphInfo, and the problem with Open Skies Treaty disinformation.

Thu Sep 13 12:12:56

Arms control verrification.
Anarchist Prime
Thu Sep 13 13:53:02
Debunking Anti-Open Skies Treaty Propaganda, Digital Electro-Optical Sensor Edition

large member
Mon Sep 24 19:02:16
US certifies Russian special-purpose jet as part of Open Skies Treaty
Military & Defense
September 25, 0:49 UTC+3
Certification of the jet Tupolev-214ON makes it possible to enlarge our opportunities for efficient observation flights over treaty signatory countries

MOSCOW, September 25. /TASS/. US has certified the Russian special-purpose reconnaissance jet Tupolev-214ON for flights in the format of the Open Skies Treaty, Sergei Ryzhkov, the chief of the National Nuclear Risk Reduction Center of the Russian Defense Ministry told reporters on Monday.

"Today, on September 24, a US representative signed the final protocol on inspecting the Russian surveillance jet Tupolev-214ON jet equipped with the Russian digital camera OSDCAM4060," Ryzhkov said adding the document was signed on the sidelines of a session of the treaty consultative commission.

"Certification of the new jet makes it possible for us to enlarge our opportunities for efficient observation flights [over treaty signatory countries - TASS], including the ones over the UK, the US and Canada," he said.

Ryzhkov said that after the completion of these certification procedures all the types of surveillance aircraft Russia has at its disposal - Antonov-30B, Tupolev-154M Lk-1 and Tupolev-214ON - have permits for flights over the territories of foreign states under the Open Skies Treaty program.

The certification took place from September 2 through September 11 and representatives of all the 22 signatory countries of the treaty signed a report on the inspection. The only country that abstained from signing was the US.

The Tupolev-214ON has a cruising distance of 6,500 km. Installed on it are three digital photo cameras and infrared instruments capable of ensuring all-weather surveillance in the process of flight at low altitudes.

The Open Skies Treaty is a multilateral document signed on March 24, 1992 in Helsinki. Its objective is to step up trust-building among the signatories through improvements in control over military activities and observance of effective arms control documents

Mon Sep 24 19:12:32
I don't like your recent attempts to legitimize TASS as a news source.
werewolf dictator
Mon Sep 24 19:18:18
"Voice of America, PolygraphInfo, and the problem with Open Skies Treaty disinformation."

voice of america has balance and is sophisticated and is about as reasonable as us msm [even if i'd say it's ultimately us propaganda outlet]

the polygraph "fact check" startup is the opposite of those things.. and i would suspect voa/rfe veterans are quietly embarrassed by being associated with it
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Mon Sep 24 19:58:00
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