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FoxNEWS
Member
Thu Sep 13 06:16:07
Trumpicantards are so gullible. Trump expressed to this day that Mexico will pay for the wall. Obviously this was a lie and honestly, no one believed him, except for Trumpicantards.

We've witnessed the complete lack of conviction of the sort and we also witnessed that the tonic salesman is good at what he does. Trump is a good salesman, to those who are completely less intelligent.

But here we are; Mexico is not paying for the wall, but now we are paying Mexico to keep illegals or take back illegals. Trump will tout this as a success to keep America safe because apparently only illegals murder people, or drug pushers, or the only ones getting DUI's.

U.S. Plans to Pay Mexico to Deport Unauthorized Immigrants There

http://www...ere/ar-BBNfUGc?ocid=spartanntp


Trumpicantards rejoice as they believe this was the "wall" that Trump was going to build.
murder
Member
Thu Sep 13 12:19:53

Wait! We're going to pay Mexico to deport illegal immigrants ... from Mexico???

WTF?

murder
Member
Thu Sep 13 12:21:19

"and use it to help Mexico pay plane and bus fare to deport as many as 17,000 people who are in that country illegally."

WTF?!?! >:o\



patom
Member
Thu Sep 13 14:54:29
Yeah but they work real cheap.
werewolf dictator
Member
Thu Sep 13 16:38:08
changes to nafta include up to 25% tariff on cars over low set cap.. probably translating to over $1b/yr in tariffs on mexican cars..

should be cheaper for companies in mexico to pay [say] $3b/yr in additional tariffs rather than comply with changed nafta regulations that would end up moving car part manufacturing to usa..

just those two things should pay for wall in little time.. as long as intelligent person like trump or semi-intelligent person like bernie sanders is future president.. and voters don't elect some totally insane person
werewolf dictator
Member
Thu Sep 13 16:45:56
so yeah.. unless usa voters elect someone totally insane..

mexico is paying for the wall
Dukhat
Member
Thu Sep 13 16:57:53
Whatever you say retard. Cuckservatives make up their own reality. You belong in a mental institution.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Sep 13 17:00:30
murder
I am also shocked in disbelief, illegals should be shot where they are caught!
Dukhat
Member
Thu Sep 13 17:04:51
Sounds basically like the EU's program of paying Turkey to take on refugees. Nothing new here.
werewolf dictator
Member
Thu Sep 13 17:15:28
fools like up-foxnews and dukhat fret about $0.02b in transportation costs to send illegals home.. while trump's and bernie sanders' brilliant policies bring $billions/yr from mexico
FoxNEWS
Member
Thu Sep 13 17:27:16
Mr. Werewolf Dictator,

Once again we like to express out gratitude of participating again in one of our forums. We would like to first bring to your attention that in out previous forum we can't help to see that you had ran away and not addressing out final point of your apparent inaccurate assessment.

Now with that out of the way we like to point out to you that amongst of staff of now only two, it was three, but the other had better things to do and cares not about participating on these forums, but we had a nice little giggle about your focus on the amount of the moment being spent and ignoring the principle of the matter.

Ironically the wall that Mexico is going to pay for to stifle immigration we are turning around and paying them to take them back. We know Trumpicantards are incapable of seeing that irony, but again, it is your nature.

You're welcome.

Best regards,

-FoxNEWS staff
kargen
Member
Thu Sep 13 17:33:09
Reading the article it sounds like the money would be used to help Mexico deport immigrants from Central America that are caught in Mexico. As it is now Mexico puts little effort into dealing with them knowing they are simply passing through. So one way or another the US would be paying for the deportation. More cost effective to pick them up in southern Mexico. But yeah we will be paying Mexico to deport illegal immigrants picked up in Mexico. Again money we would be spending anyway.

werewolf dictator
Member
Thu Sep 13 19:36:44
foxnews kept arguing that ~1.62% gdp growth rate under final 6 quarters of obama [with last 2q of 1.8% and 1.8%.. etc] was ending administration with booming economy.. and that is responsible for ~3.15% growth rate under 6 quarters of "failing" trump administration..

foxnews ignores how i destroy all his own ridiculous arguments for this.. and instead cries about how i don't go addressing article-by-article the *nine* hyperlinks he ridiculously spams in a single post.. and imagines bored nonresponse to such absurdity is proof of his own victory and another running away


foxnews here once again reveals his innumeracy and incomprehension of scale by thinking billions in income is ironically overshadowed by a negligible fraction of that in cost.. to send illegals in mexico back home.. rather than have them sneak into usa and become illegals there [which seems to be kind of illegal "immigration" foxnews wants]
hood
Member
Thu Sep 13 19:38:04
"trump's and bernie sanders' brilliant policies bring $billions/yr from mexico"

No.
werewolf dictator
Member
Thu Sep 13 19:46:46
do you not agree that sanders and trump share views on nafta renogotiation and trade [as they have]

or that it is not brilliant to negotiate billions in tariff income while getting no retaliatory tariffs in return [even much more free trade people will say raising tariffs is optimal if you don't get trade war retaliation tariffs back]
FoxNEWS
Member
Thu Sep 13 20:06:13
Mr. Werewolf Dictator,

We understand you hate facts. Which is the m.o. of trumpicantards. The reason you ignored the links because they support and articulate the arguments that was made by us. Instead you attempted to shift to unrelated topics as to which it did not go unnoticed. You are welcome to your own delusions of grandeur but again you did not really address anything that counters.

In fact what you did instead was use the tired argument that magically the economy was recovered BEFORE Trump signed any new legislation that would offer any impact to the economy and prematurely proclaimed he was responsible to the successes before as well. Where it was clearly evident that the previous administration economic policies were the contributors.

Yes, you are welcome as a Trumpicantard to ignore supporting sources where you did not provide as such. In fact you decided to attack the experts because either you are unable to comprehend the language they used or that your feeble and cannot offer anything of substance. We understand, Trumpicantards tend to avoid such occurrences when it destroys their warp sense of reality.

We commend you for supporting the ridiculous administration that is currently in place that once again fails to maintain that Mexico will pay for the wall where we in turn are paying them.

Regarding NAFTA, it seems you are poorly educated on it as well. Seeing that the "renegotiated" deal was nothing but a update and is still the same. The salesman change the "label" with he same contents.

Thank you for your contribution and again displaying your complete lack of knowledge on the topics.

Regards,

-FoxNEWS staff
werewolf dictator
Member
Thu Sep 13 20:18:18
"economy was recovered BEFORE Trump signed any new legislation"

gg.. first quarter under trump economy immediately jumps to 3.0% gdp growth.. [this is because he hypes how great things will be which inspires business and consumer confidence]

your bolshevik economic obsevations look bad even compared to people who run into ground venezuela zimbabwe north korea etc
werewolf dictator
Member
Thu Sep 13 20:22:45
mexico agrees to one-sided renogotiation of nafta.. effectively agreeing to pay for wall.. but mexico don't want to publically say "we will pay for wall".. and trump won't blow up one-sided deal by embarrassing them

don't pay attention to words.. pay attention to the reality going on
werewolf dictator
Member
Thu Sep 13 20:24:54
reality economy under trump is amazing [especially compared to under obama].. and mexico is paying for wall
hood
Member
Thu Sep 13 20:31:58
"do you not agree that sanders and trump share views on nafta renogotiation and trade [as they have]"

No, I'm asserting that your comment that it would bring in billions of dollars a year in tariffs is a blatant lie. Any and all "gains" would be soundly offset by more expensive cars and job losses.
werewolf dictator
Member
Thu Sep 13 20:45:16
if mexicans don't drop the prices on their exports to usa.. then americans won't buy them because they will be overpriced.. and then americans will buy more cars made by american job-workers instead

since mexicans *will* drop prices it means that amount won't be paid by usa consumers.. and while usa consumers pay similar amount for cars there will simultaneously be tariff-tax money pouring into government revenues
hood
Member
Thu Sep 13 21:32:10
"if mexicans don't drop the prices on their exports to usa.. then americans won't buy them because they will be overpriced.. and then americans will buy more cars made by american job-workers instead"

Confirmed retarded.


"since mexicans *will* drop prices"

Again confirmed retarded.

The car manufacturing industry is run on an extremely tight ship. You increase even a few percentage points in costs without an accompanying increase in revenue, and just about every business in the industry would fold (individually). If mexican shops don't increase prices to cover increased costs, they stop making parts. If they stop making parts, other shops down the line stop receiving parts to continue making their parts. And cars just don't get assembled at all. You don't increase prices for mexican shops, you see a significant portion of the industry close down and hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of jobs disappear.

You are living in ignorant fairy tale land if you think costs are going to go up on mexicans (or canadians) without either a corresponding increase in costs to americans or job losses.
hood
Member
Thu Sep 13 21:33:40
And in case you doubt me, I've seen numbers. I've run supply lines. Even a few days of delay on shipments costs thousands or more dollars. You shut down an entire operation without a replacement and that's millions of dollars gone, thousands of jobs gone. And not just mexican ones.
murder
Member
Thu Sep 13 22:19:46

"reality economy under trump is amazing"

^ Definitely Trump. Not the father though. No way Sr can spell Zimbabwe.

Barron is too young and clearly retarded, so that rules him out. No way any girl would hang around these forums for this long, so scratch Ivanka and Tiffany.

That leaves Fred III and Eric. Fred III probably long ago figured out that he looks nothing like uncle "daddy", so he probably spends his time trying to impress Sr so he'll accept him and not cut him out of his will.

Eric is clearly the entitled angry resentful slacker of the bunch. He knows that he's really the eldest son and therefore the rightful heir, to the Trump/Putin empire, but Fred III will always be in the way because Donald's massive ego will never accept that his brother boned his wife ... even though deep inside he knows it's true.

So yeah, it's got to be Eric.

werewolf dictator
Member
Thu Sep 13 23:48:28
additional $20b in foreign investment goes to mexican auto industry in just last four years.. with record $6.86b in 2017 when trump is president and all know how he leans on nafta and trade policy

it's obvious billions and billions of profits are made here by companies exporting from mexico to usa [along with mexican workers benefitting from jobs and mexican government benefitting also]

also clear is mexico having agreed to pay for wall with tariffs [in one-sided deal with trump] isn't going to kill this huge profitability
hood
Member
Thu Sep 13 23:57:15
You should stick to fluffing your master. You are unconvincing in persuasive writing and you're utterly retarded when it comes to even basic car industry realities.
werewolf dictator
Member
Fri Sep 14 00:04:34
hood is continually outsmarted by people like me or seb or even hot rod most of the time.. yet throws content-free tantrums to stay in denial about it

he's still probably smarter than dukhat however
hood
Member
Fri Sep 14 00:52:48
Content isn't needed when you make laughably outlandish claims like mexican businesses won't pass on tariff costs.

However, content was provided. Businesses will shut down if you increase their costs without increasing their revenues. The auto industry does not have a profit padded supply chain, their margins are fairly thin.
werewolf dictator
Member
Fri Sep 14 01:05:08
with rate of mexican car exports to usa expanding and project to skyrocket over cap.. it's laughable how much i underestimate how much money will be squeezed from tariffs over course of near future years

still not as funny as hood thinking mexican exports won't drop in prices to pay for tariff
werewolf dictator
Member
Fri Sep 14 01:11:02
foreign investors pump another $20b in 4 years to mexico to further expand profits from already huge exports to usa

hood/zimbabwe math thinks there's no mexican profits there to tax
FoxNEWS
Member
Fri Sep 14 06:03:46
Mr. Werewolf Dictator,

Once again we welcome your input on such topics. But it appears that again you seem misinformed or more likely ignorant of how the economy works. Historically excitement for an oncoming new administration seems perks in the economy, but also sees hesitation. You assortment that the mere approach of Trump was the factor of the 'booming' economy. This is laughable at best because it reminders everything we have stated in regards to the affairs of economic progress and you subsequently admit that Trump did not have any policies or legislation that addressed the economy at that time.

As we've previously stated in the other thread it will be at least two years(estimate could be longer) before you see any type of impact to the economy when new policies or legislation is passed or implemented.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-presidents-economic-decisions-matter-eventually/

Also once again the braggadocio that Trump displays as he thinks, as well as you and other Trumpicantards, that he had singlehandidly boosted the economy and it was his doing for low unemployment is clearly untruthful and inaccurate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/12/14/comparing-the-trump-economy-to-the-obama-economy/

We will understand if you totally avoid the sources so you can continue to live in your fantasy world.

Regards,

FoxNEWS staff
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Sep 14 07:47:57

Be Patient.

murder
Member
Fri Sep 14 13:25:53

Someone please point out that not only is Mexico not paying for the wall, but there's no wall for anyone to pay for.

Trump can't get the wall built. Not even for 3 shekels more.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Sep 14 17:32:01

Be Patient.

Cold Rod
Member
Fri Sep 14 17:42:16
You're dumb. So dumb.
Average Ameriacn
Member
Fri Sep 14 17:58:37
Why doesn't Mexico build a wall on its side of the border? Then they would own it, it would be a huge investment into the future of Mexico. And they would not have to give us the money for the wall.

Wouldn't that be the perfect solution to make everyone happy?
Forwyn
Member
Fri Sep 14 18:02:46
Mexico benefits from it's relatively tiny southern border; they have no problem corralling, beating, and caging immigrants without a wall.

And I'm guessing they don't have Zumba classes.
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