Utopia Talk / Politics / Fahrenheit 9/11

Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Sep 23 07:57:53 Fahrenheit 9/11 Opening weekend = 8th place. Gross = $3 Million. Go Mikey. LOL
Rugian Member	Sun Sep 23 07:59:12 11/9.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Sep 23 08:07:44 So it is, thank you. Fahrenheit 11/9
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Sep 23 11:14:57 we all know how political documentaries normally crush at the box office
www.yeswecansong.com Member	Sun Sep 23 11:33:00 Budget was less than 5 million. He will earn huge.
obaminated Member	Sun Sep 23 11:49:32 He definitely will not earn huge, probably break even. He isnt relevant anymore. When he did his anti bush doc he was ahead of the curve, being anti trump in 2018 is not unique, hence minimal interest by audiences.
www.yeswecansong.com Member	Sun Sep 23 12:02:48 "When he did his anti bush doc he was ahead of the curve" He was again regarding Trump, I have to remind you: http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/ I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I gave it to you straight last summer when I told you that Donald Trump would be the Republican nominee for president. And now I have even more awful, depressing news for you: Donald J. Trump is going to win in November. This wretched, ignorant, dangerous part-time clown and full time sociopath is going to be our next president. President Trump. Go ahead and say the words, ‘cause you’ll be saying them for the next four years: “PRESIDENT TRUMP.”
obaminated Member	Sun Sep 23 14:07:44 yeah, that isn't what i was talking about.
jergul large member	Sun Sep 23 14:13:35 Critical reception When Fahrenheit 11/9 premiered at the Toronto International Film Festival, The Hollywood Reporter said critical response was "positive overall".[17] The Associated Press reported, "Film critics in Toronto largely hailed it as Moore's most vital film in years... though others wondered if his Hitler rhetoric wasn't too extreme. More conservative reaction from outside the left-leaning movie world was, as expected, less enthusiastic."[18] The review aggregator website Rotten Tomatoes assigned the film an approval rating of 79%, based on 94 reviews assessed as positive or negative; the average rating among the reviews is 6.9/10. The site's critical consensus reads, "Fahrenheit 11/9 finds Michael Moore in fine fighting form, delivering a political call to action that ranks among his most effective works."[19] On Metacritic, which assigns a weighted average rating to reviews, the film has a weighted average score of 70 out of 100, based on 38 critics, indicating "generally favorable reviews".[20] Brian Tallerico of RogerEbert.com gave the film three out of four stars, saying that "Fahrenheit 11/9 is ultimately Moore's best film in years because its message is really simple and nonpartisan: get mad about something and do something about it" and added "With a new issue being debated every day, is it any wonder that Fahrenheit 11/9 has an everything-and-the-kitchen-sink approach? After all, Moore argues, rather convincingly, that what matters is that we care about something."[21] Owen Gleiberman, reviewing for Variety, said Moore explored more issues than criticizing Trump, writing: "[Moore] makes the point that Donald Trump has always committed corruptions and outrages in plain sight. It's not that we don't see them; it's that he has a gift for getting people not to mind them" and that "Fahrenheit 11/9 would be better if it didn't romanticize the new wave of progressive action (which, incidentally, I believe in) as if it were the second coming. Yet the movie, in its way, summons something ominous and powerful. It's not a screed — it's a warning. It says, quite wisely: Take action now, or you may no longer have the opportunity to do so."[22] Vish Khanna of Exclaim! gave the film 9/10 review and called it a "remarkably bleak but affecting film." [23] The Hollywood Reporter's Deborah Young found that the documentary had "a pretty unfocused target" with going beyond Trump and said, "The multiple targets and multiple threads which weave in and out of Fahrenheit 11/9 make it feel jumpy at times and less focused than Moore’s docs... Nonetheless, there is much food for thought in the film, shot with the director’s characteristic passion, flair, wicked sense of humor and willingness to push the envelope."[24]
werewolf dictator Member	Mon Sep 24 01:47:22 the only effective polemics are supposed to be how hillary and obama and democratic establishment are all pos's.. so it's the blue checkmark "resistance" type people who are most outraged on twitter bernie and ocasio-cortez socialist crowd tend to be sympathetic to film for basically same reasons everyone who has seen movie [meaning all lefties] seems to agree that the somewhat short attacks on trump are transparently retarded.. ineffective.. and lie somewhere between bad taste and being morally contemptible anyway.. movie is headed for box office irrelevance on dinesh d'souza level
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Sep 24 03:38:32 How are you guys going to feel when Trump puts all of the bad guys in prison?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Sep 24 10:45:15 which person whom Trump has wanted to put in prison is a 'bad guy'?
Pillz Member	Mon Sep 24 10:47:49 Hillary
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Sep 24 10:53:31 for what crime(s)? note no one i'm aware of has countered Comey's claim that only 1 person in history has ever been charged w/ mishandling classified info without intent (& it was later dropped) ...& that's intent to commit the crime, i realize she had intent to set up the email
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Sep 24 14:27:42 What about that sailor that took a picture of his workstation? Didn't he get a year in jail or something?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Sep 24 14:30:13 you mean the sailor who admitted he knew he was taking photos of classified areas of the ship? that's intent
Pillz Member	Mon Sep 24 14:34:16 Conspiracy (various), collusion with foreign governments (various), and illegally handling government correspondence. That fact your butt buddy comey is a little bitch and your legal system is designed to keep your masters of out trouble hasn't got any baring on the facts
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Sep 24 14:43:09 you'll have to flesh out your conspiracy & collusion claims if suggesting Steele was Hillary collusion w/ Russia, it's ridiculous... not sure there's any evidence Hillary even knew of the existence of Steele
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Sep 24 15:00:08 It seems to me that I read that he did not believe it was a big deal. Whereas Hillary was given detailed instruction about how to handle classified material and she ignored everything she was told. Comey flat out lied to protect her. I suspect that Sessions will be gone by the first of the year and he will be replaced by Rudy.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Sep 24 16:15:04 "Comey flat out lied to protect her" what lies? he basically called her a technological idiot (not uncommon for old people) & said she could've faced discipline if she had still worked there just didn't warrant prosecution as would've been outside the norm
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Sep 24 16:38:04 tw, She was trained by the FBI on how to handle confidential material. Are you saying she was too stupid to understand what the agents were telling her? You do know she has a law degree, don't you?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Sep 24 16:57:36 i doubt they specifically noted anything about having a separate email (& classified info wasn't meant to be sent on the email system to begin with) & i doubt the typical person let alone an older person knows anything about email servers or security for them ...& Trump doesn't even know how to email or go to a website
Wrath of Orion Member	Mon Sep 24 17:01:46 The butthurt is still very strong with Retard Rod.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Sep 24 19:26:30 tw - ...& Trump doesn't even know how to email or go to a website Here is a little story for you. Once upon a time, Henry Ford's family was trying to get him committed because he ran his business out of his coat pocket. When the families lawyer got him on the stand he asked Henry a bunch of questions that anyone was likely to know. His last question was to name a specific president. That one, like most of his other answers, was "I don't know." Then Henry shocked the court. He said to the lawyer something to the effect, 'most of the questions you asked me I had to respond that the answers were never important to me so I never bothered to learn. But, I know how to find someone that does know the answers to your questions'. The judge dismissed the case. You see what I am getting at? Trump was never a politician so he had a lot to learn about politics. He learned that politics was all wrong for The United States. Calvin Coolidge once said, "The business of America is business." President Trump went much further with that idea than Coolidge did. Trump decided to run the country like a business. He found some people that he thought could do a given job such as Steve Mnuchin, Jim Mattis, Ben Carson and so on. Some of them didn't work out so he traded them such as Tillerson for Pompeo. It took him a while but he almost has the people he needs. There is just one more that has to go that I can think of and that is Sessions. As soon as he gets rid of him and puts Rudy in as AG he should be set. What he has done is put people in the positions and pretty much leaves them alone. So far it has worked out fairly well but it should get even better. I just wish you guys could see what I see. They were saying today that the news he has from NOKO is even more promising and next, I think Iran will fall into line. Oh well, what's the use.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Sep 24 21:27:45 not sure what remarkable job you think Ben Carson has done... but i agree that it's definitely best that anyone else is making the decisions rather than him i can't imagine a single person has come to him seeking his knowledge or advice, other than maybe how to sell a decision to the people
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Sep 24 22:23:45 If Carson was screwing up we all would have heard about it.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Sep 24 22:33:03 i know he went on a listening tour... that was his only accomplishment noted at one of those early 'praise the king' cabinet meetings and he wasted a bunch of money on furniture... although his campaign was rife w/ financial shenanigans so perhaps that was to be expected
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Sep 24 23:57:54 So, just how has he screwed up the agency?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Sep 25 00:35:50 you kinda lowered the bar there... but seems like furniture isn't the only abuse he's up to: The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development awarded promotions and pay increases to five political operatives with no housing policy experience within their first months on the job, demonstrating what government watchdogs and career staff describe as a premium put on loyalty over expertise. The raises, documented in a Washington Post analysis of HUD political hires, resulted in annual salaries between $98,000 and $155,000 for the five appointees, all of whom had worked on Donald Trump’s or Ben Carson’s presidential campaigns. Three of them did not list bachelor’s degrees on their résumés. The political hires were among at least 24 people without evident housing policy experience who were appointed to the best-paying political positions at HUD, an agency charged with serving the poorest Americans. They account for a third of the 70 HUD appointees at the upper ranks of the federal government, with salaries above $94,000, according to the Post review of agency records. The limited experience at the upper reaches of the agency — HUD Secretary Carson, a retired neurosurgeon, has no prior housing, executive or government background — injected confusion into the rollout of policy initiatives and brought delays to even routine functions, according to interviews with 16 current and former career staff members. “This administration is different, because the people coming in really don’t know housing at all,” said Ron Ashford, who retired as director of HUD’s public-housing supportive-service programs in January after 22 years at the agency. “As a result, they’re pursuing initiatives that aren’t grounded in reality.” http://www...8-b60b-1c897f17e185_story.html he ran a financially corrupt campaign and now a financially corrupt HUD...
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Sep 25 08:09:15 Then you should write your Congressman.
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