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tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 26 11:14:40
Avenatti has come forward w/ a client Julie Swetnick (hopefully its been confirmed she is a real person :p)

she alleges Kavanaugh got drunk & aggressive at parties and that he & Judge spiked punch at parties w/ drugs/alcohol to then gang rape girls w/ others

her statement is in this tweet, have to step through the images (one image of emails, then 3 images of her statement)

http://twi...tti/status/1044960428730843136
hood
Member
Wed Sep 26 11:17:31
So he's more of a Cosbanaugh?
Paramount
Member
Wed Sep 26 11:26:00
Getting drunk and groping women is common practice in high school.

But The times, they are a changin'.

Can't gang rape women at parties without facing shame and jail now. #metoorunamok
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 26 11:26:20
possibly... going to Avenatti leads to much suspicion (there's even rumor 4chan set him up that he denies)... but maybe she found his boldness appealing

in any case we definitely deserve more witnesses about his behavior patterns... there was also an article about classmates finding his Fox News interview bullshit where he portrayed himself as an innocent young man focused on academics, athletics & church work
Average Ameriacn
Member
Wed Sep 26 11:27:34
Paid by the Clintons and Carter?
Dukhat
Member
Wed Sep 26 11:27:59
He's an inverse Cosby. He gets himself drugged to rape women so that he can say he doesn't remember his sexual assaults.

Too bad it's basically the same thing in the eyes of the law.

And it all makes sense why the GOP refuses to send in the FBI to prove these women wrong. The FBI are going to find nothing but rapey, rich prep kids. If what these women said was untrue; it'd be easy for the FBI to go in and say, "we can find noone to corroborate these claims" but the white house refuses because there's another rapey idiot in charge.
mexicantardnado
Member
Wed Sep 26 11:44:19
Duur FBI duuuur dont duur investigates things duuur like that duuuuur they just duuuur do criminal duuuur checks only duuuuuur
Aeros
Member
Wed Sep 26 11:51:52
In other news, Ford's husband and three friends just made sworn statements saying that ford said kavenaugh groped her.

That is just swell! I can make that sworn statement as well. As can everyone in America. Christ what a fucking goat rodeo.
Delude
Member
Wed Sep 26 11:56:37
Those are corroborating witnesses. But let that fuel your illogical tangents more, pussy.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Sep 26 12:01:02
"Avenatti"

Lol

"witnesses"

Lol
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Sep 26 12:05:08

deluded, I swear that Aeros is correct.

Now I am a sworn witness.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 26 12:06:14
do you have evidence Avenatti has brought forth fraudulent clients in the past? why is he a 'lol'?
Dukhat
Member
Wed Sep 26 12:08:46
"Perjury started out as a crime for testifying falsely about material matters in court. As society became more complex, the term was expanded to apply to lying or failing to tell the whole truth in any sworn testimony, whether in court, hearings or written documents called affidavits. Under federal law, it has been held to apply to grand juries, family law court, bail hearings, Congressional committee hearings, and depositions in civil lawsuits. Also included are sworn statements made in financial affidavits (such as loan applications) or to governmental agencies such as the Social Security Administration."

"Each state enacts its own laws punishing perjury. But in all states, it is a felony and carries a possible prison sentence. A convicted perjurer can also be ordered to pay fines or be put on probation. The more the perjury interfered with a court or other official proceeding, the greater the penalty is likely to be. In California, a perjury conviction can result in two, three or four years in prison, depending on the circumstances or the consequences of the perjury, as well as the person's past record. In Texas, a felony conviction of perjury can put you in state prison for a period of two to 10 years plus a fine of up to $10,000."

Wasn't it Aeros the one who said that if she's risking perjury, then it would make the allegations more credible. Now 4 other people are risking it and Aeros wants to reach the same conclusion he already had to begin with so now he's attacking them.

Just join the Republican party already. Nobody cares about the complete collapse of your logical faculties.

Kavanaugh is done. If the GOP wants to put him on the Supreme Court; it will be a Kamikaze mission and Dems will use him as an excuse to pack the courts in 2021.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Sep 26 12:09:31

He is $10 Million in debt and is making more ridiculous statements than I do and I believe he has already announced he will run for President in 2020.

Forwyn
Member
Wed Sep 26 12:10:24
Avenatti is taking every "client" he can, and announcing it long before we even see them to drum up news, because he's a Hogg Sr eyeing a presidential bid. That you take this guy seriously is pretty telling.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Sep 26 12:13:09
"Now 4 other people are risking it"

Rofl, what a fucking retard you are.

Saying she's been talking about it since he got a federal bench is far different from saying it happened.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 26 12:17:44
i said there was reason to be skeptical (although more about Tucker Carlson types trying to make a fool of him, rather than him just taking any mental patient that comes along)... however her name, photo & employment are out there so if she's faking it all it should come out rather easily


in any case, there are numerous people describing Kavanaugh as a heavy drinker (including a roommate, & his own proud self-honor of being biggest vomiter at beach week)

if Kavanaugh is lying about his behavior does that bother you at all? & if he's lying about the drinking who says he's not lying about other activities... obviously sex activities likely to be done more privately than drinking activities so less witnesses
Forwyn
Member
Wed Sep 26 12:22:20
I have zero problem with a college student drinking and having sex, and going on to have a successful career later in life.

I have a problem with uncorroborated accusations and strategic announcements being used as a #metoo vehicle for blocking confirmation in lieu of legitimate concerns of judicial leanings or relevant ethical issues.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 26 12:23:14
you are ignoring the lying aspect... should he be able to lie about it -now-... and get that lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Sep 26 12:33:12

The Republicans have hired a woman lawyer to question those that are there to be heard.

She has had a couple of decades, I think they said 25 years, of experience exclusively in cases such as the one we are embroiled in. In other words, sexual assault cases. That is the only cases she has worked on. She has built her career on it.

So, those being questioned won't be bothered by a bunch of crazy old white men. They will be questioned by an extremely qualified and experienced female.



Forwyn
Member
Wed Sep 26 12:35:02
"Hurrr durrrr Kav lied about drinking"

Reality outside of the Avenatti outrage factory:

"And yes, there were parties. And the drinking age was 18, and yes, the seniors were legal and had beer there. And yes, people might have had too many beers on occasion and people generally in high school — I think all of us have probably done things we look back on in high school and regret or cringe a bit, but that’s not what we’re talking about."
Dukhat
Member
Wed Sep 26 12:39:59
Forwyn is so stupid. It boggles the mind.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 26 12:41:25
we'll see what he owns up to under oath... that weak ass comment doesn't conjure the same images as the frequently incoherent drunk vomiter from other people's accounts
Rugian
Member
Wed Sep 26 12:41:54
What kind of legitimate witness would reach out to the creepy porn lawyer of all people? This is so ridiculous.
Delude
Member
Wed Sep 26 12:46:04
Forwyn scoffs but believes project veritas is credible. So his criticisms regard this particular situation should automatically be discounted.
Dukhat
Member
Wed Sep 26 12:46:51
The #metoo accusations lead to all the lying Kavanaugh has done. The investigations into these allegations which are corroborated (despite Forwyn magically waving a wand and pretending that they aren't) would solve a lot. But the GOP refuse to bring in the FBI because they don't want justice. They want to make Ford look like she misremembered and then rush in Kavanaugh anyways.

These are credible allegations that would normally be followed up by an FBI investigation to corroborate them further.

He lied about much more than drinking. He lied about his knowledge of his former mentor being a serial sexual harasser. He lied about his involvement with the Bush administration in numerous dealings. It goes on and on.

One lie leads to a pattern. That's how investigations get at the truth. It's easier when you start from a place of non-bias which all the cuckservatives on this board + Aeros are incapable of doing because of deep-seated personal issues.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Sep 26 12:47:18
Delude thinks that raw footage is not credible, but saying mama has been talking about her assault since 2012 makes them a witness. rofl
Forwyn
Member
Wed Sep 26 12:48:18
"corroborated"
"credible"
"lied"

rofl Cuckhat
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 26 12:48:44
Gloria Allred's main goal is to get her face on TV yet she still gets clients... Avenatti could be the male Allred
Dukhat
Member
Wed Sep 26 12:55:14
"rofl ..." translation - I'm out of right-wing talking points. Wait until tonight until Breitbart and gatewaypundit tell me what to say and believe.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Sep 26 12:58:26
See how easily Avenatti retardation spreads.

"Kavanaugh lied", tw says, and Cuckhat starts repeating it - even after showing statements from Kavanaugh. A simple google search shows Kavanaugh talking about his drinking days multiple times, from Yale speeches to recent statements.

"Corroborate the statements" Cuckhat says, repeatedly, knowing only three people were in the room and there's no way to corroborate anything she says.

Corroborate the penis incident, Cuckhat! There should be plenty of witnesses. Where are they?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 26 13:06:30
"Kavanaugh turned 18 in February 1983 and Maryland raised its drinking age to 21 back in July 1982"

there... another lie about the drinking
Forwyn
Member
Wed Sep 26 13:25:11
And yet DC was still 18. Boohoo
Dukhat
Member
Wed Sep 26 13:26:49
Forwyn is not a criminal investigator which is already patently obvious but I will point it out again. There are methods and granularity in the details that evade your ignorant mind. But to discuss it is pointless as your mind is free from the shackles of education.

Which is why cuckservatives always resort to leaps of logic and conspiracy theories.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 26 13:31:47
& he lived & went to school in MD

like i said let's hear his official testimony... his Fox News interview does not match what his classmates describe

hopefully a D senator will go through each of the 'honors' on his yearbook page... see how he addresses the girl trophy & puking champ specifically
Dukhat
Member
Wed Sep 26 13:45:11
I love how all the cuckservatives go to bat for Kavanaugh. He's like the rich preppy kid who cheated in every class and partied every weekend and ended up Valedictorian and going to harvard and the good life while they mucked about in the middle.

And now they are all defending him because Republicans say some meaningless words about guns or abortion or how much they hate Social Justice Warriors.

What cucks.
American Democrat
Member
Wed Sep 26 13:47:30
"And yet DC was still 18. Boohoo"

You are aware these are types of questions that are asked by FBI in course if background checks?

Addressed once again in the previous thread that Hot Rod spammed.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Sep 26 13:54:16
"Which is why cuckservatives always resort to leaps of logic and conspiracy theories."

rofl dude, you're latching onto a cause that is now peddling secret 80s DC gang rape parties.

This is Pizzagate-level retardation.
obaminated
Member
Wed Sep 26 14:13:58
"Forwyn is so stupid. It boggles the mind."

says the nerd who thinks drinking at a high school party = party animal.

you are a nerd, people have fun when they are kids, sometimes they don't know boundaries, no one was killed, no one was raped, no one was bullied. it was, at worst, a drunken incident at happened once at some point in the 80s. nearly 40 years ago.
mexicantardnado
Member
Wed Sep 26 14:17:14
Duuuuuur I think duuuur covering duuuur a girls duuuuur mouth duuur and forcing her duuuur to do things duuuuur isn't duuuuur wrong duuur it's a duuuur good time duuuur.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 26 14:18:26
Kavanaugh has released some statement taking a bit more ownership of his own drinking so apparently even he (and/or his lawyers) realized his Fox News interview was overly bullshit

obaminated
Member
Wed Sep 26 14:18:28
Hate to break it to ya, but some girls get off on being choked :/
obaminated
Member
Wed Sep 26 14:18:55
also, thanks for being prompt in your responses, i was getting worried that maybe you'd gotten over stalking me.
obaminated
Member
Wed Sep 26 14:20:27
"how dare mr B-double O- Z- E- take advantage of this young innocent man!"

We can't drink alcohol! ROFL, TW, you are hilarious man.
Delude
Member
Wed Sep 26 14:21:12
So mtard thinks all girls want to be choked at a party?
obaminated
Member
Wed Sep 26 14:22:20
"Hate to break it to ya, but some girls get off on being choked :/ "

"So mtard thinks all girls want to be choked at a party?"

you poor, idiot.
mexicantardnado
Member
Wed Sep 26 14:23:00
Duuuuur girls want to be duuuuuur choked because duuuuur that is duuuuur the standard duuuuur. Remember duuuur I've admitted duuuuur committing race duuuur before duuuur
obaminated
Member
Wed Sep 26 14:24:10
so delube is one of those morons who doesn't know how to turn insults on people. okay. meanwhile, kav needs to watch this vid

http://youtu.be/VjFyX2sSTGs

i suspect only a handful of people on this forum will get the joke.
Delude
Member
Wed Sep 26 14:24:38
Judging by the previous thread, I would say that you're the poor idiot.

Nonetheless it equates to you saying that even if true of what occurred at the party. It's okay because some girls like to be choked?

That is your rationale, good job retard.
Delude
Member
Wed Sep 26 14:26:37
Ah yes the old "I was merely turning a joke on the other poster because I'm not known for saying retarded things and being wrong on many accounts" defense.

Whatever helps you sleep.
obaminated
Member
Wed Sep 26 14:27:03
"Nonetheless it equates to you saying that even if true of what occurred at the party. It's okay because some girls like to be choked? "

do you understand the english language?
Delude
Member
Wed Sep 26 14:28:45
Do you understand logic?
obaminated
Member
Wed Sep 26 14:29:00
delude, you are a dumbshit, the only people who support you are morons like paramount and dukhat, that is your tribe. everyone else knows how to skate the line between humor and seriousness, this is why no one but your tribe gets upset when rugian links to Alex Jones, everyone else knows it is him doing a parody, but your tribe takes it seriously. this is why you have alienated everyone who would otherwise agree with you. you aren't funny or interesting, you are just an easy mark.
obaminated
Member
Wed Sep 26 14:29:51
and yes, many women get off on being choked. sorry to break it to ya :/
Delude
Member
Wed Sep 26 14:30:50
Oh did I hit a nerve exposing how you're still a fucking retard after all these years? My apologies do you need to start a thread so you can Express your woes like your fellow tribesman, Rugian?
mexicantardnado
Member
Wed Sep 26 14:32:00
Duuuuur I was duuuuur raised duuuuur on that duuuur I was duuuur special duuuur and duuuur there duuuur was no one else duuuur like me during the duuuur entire world duuuuur
Delude
Member
Wed Sep 26 14:34:15
Anticipating mtard diatribe in 3...2....
Seb
Member
Wed Sep 26 14:45:11
Aeros:

If your default position is everyone lies under oath, and you will only trust direct physical evidence, I think you are setting a bar far, far higher than the criminal justice system.

kargen
Member
Wed Sep 26 15:06:56
Julie Swetnick claims she went to at least ten parties where girls were drugged then gang raped. Brings up a few questions about her character...
American Democrat
Member
Wed Sep 26 15:08:35
Because she is the nominee....
Seb
Member
Wed Sep 26 15:22:50
kargen:

Not really. You don't believe her now. Why would you believe her then?

Women are still regularly ignored when they say this thing happened. When they do come forward, they are often subjected to humiliating exams as their bodies are sifted for evidence, humiliating questions from law enforcement agencies that are sceptical.

If it gets to court, they get re-victimised.

Basically, it fucks their lives.

And it was even worse back then.
American Democrat
Member
Wed Sep 26 15:26:30
"they are often subjected to humiliating exams as their bodies are sifted for evidence, humiliating questions from law enforcement agencies that are sceptical. "

I'm sorry, but why is this humiliating?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 26 15:29:41
technically the 'ten' was not in reference to the gang-rape behavior... but she did say she saw it 'many' times

...and it might not have seemed so egregious to a young person at the time than it does to people now
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 26 15:32:55
^meaning taking advantage of a drunk girl... doubtful everyone witnessing that behavior would've thought 'omg, rape!'...

'omg' wasnt even a thing back then >.>
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Sep 26 15:40:46

It seems to me the girls would have wised up after the 8th or 9th party.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 26 15:45:09
i'm sure this has been standard practice at thousands of frat parties through the years

it happening is not doubtful... whether Brett 'the rapist' Kavanaugh was ever at such a party is what you can question
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 26 15:50:55
"If you look at this lawyer that just came out, he is a low life. He represented Democrats. Nobody ever talks about that. He’s a Democrat lawyer."
~ Trump

solid argument, why aren't more news agencies noting he has represented Democrats? obviously if you ever represented Democrats you are lying garbage
Forwyn
Member
Wed Sep 26 15:50:56
"When they do come forward, they are often subjected to humiliating exams as their bodies are sifted for evidence, humiliating questions from law enforcement agencies that are sceptical."

Rofl. Imagine being innocent until proven guilty, and evidence of a crime must be collected.

The horror!
Dukhat
Member
Wed Sep 26 15:55:39
Forwyn's wife must be suicidal dealing with such a toxicly masculine husband.
Sam Adams
Member
Wed Sep 26 16:07:08
Duckhat is an example of toxic femininity.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 26 16:10:52
Trump is holding a press conference... essentially called them all liars, and its a Democrat con job... i'm skeptical R's are happy he's talking (on any topic ever for that matter)
Sam Adams
Member
Wed Sep 26 16:21:43
Democrat lawyers, creepy porn lawyers, accusations from beyond the working memory of most humans vs trumps goons and shady oligarchs.

Its like jerry springer. The final evolution of idiotic politicians?
Pillz
Member
Wed Sep 26 16:28:06
The beginning of the end of what will one day be called classical America.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Sep 26 16:35:02
rofl

Cuckhat thinks that things like due process evidentiary investigation are symptoms of toxic masculinity
kargen
Member
Wed Sep 26 17:11:01
"Not really. You don't believe her now. Why would you believe her then?"

Has nothing to do with belief. has everything to do with actions. If you know others are being raped you do something. Male or female you do something. If you know rape is happening at these parties why would you continue to go?

If you do something when it is happening or shortly there after there is a much much better chance of eventually being believed. There is a much better chance of finding witnesses that can actually remember the events. There is a chance of finding real evidence.

And you are correct that women are often ignored when they come forward with these claims. That needs to change. We don't swing the pendulum all the way to the other side though and automatically believe them no matter how lacking any evidence is. We do know some women lie about this. They were caught in the lie yet their accusations still destroyed the lives of those they accused. We need to be somewhere in the middle. People who report these crimes need to be taken serious and treated with respect but those they accuse should not be judged in public and have their lives ruined by mere accusation.
Dukhat
Member
Wed Sep 26 18:22:44
All the bullshit men's rights whining means shit.

Kavanaugh's nomination is dead. Under 50% of republican women want him confirmed and that was polling done with only 1 accusation.

We are up to 3 and there is a 4th now with multiple witnesses from 1998.

Popular support matters. Republicans were looking at minimally a +8 dem wave this fall. If republican women stay home it will be easily double digits.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Sep 26 18:31:31

Instead of teaching little girls to be little boys and little boys to be little girls they should teach them to go home and tell their parents when they are assaulted and then get to a hospital so they can collect any evidence of an attacker before it gets washed away.

Dukhat
Member
Wed Sep 26 18:34:34
"Rasor recalled that Judge had told her ashamedly of an incident that involved him and other boys taking turns having sex with a drunk woman. Rasor said that Judge seemed to regard it as fully consensual. She said that Judge did not name others involved in the incident, and she has no knowledge that Kavanaugh participated in it."

Mark Judge's college girlfriend's account and she is willing to testify. The hits just keep piling on. Republicans need to get the fuck away from this nomination and quick.

The nation isn't full of incels like on this board; they face electoral armageddon for this piece of shit.

Withdraw Kavanaugh and nominate Hardiman and get it done quick.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 26 18:37:17
as answer to the 'why did #3 keep going to rape parties':

she says she didn't know what was going on in the rooms until it happened to her
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Sep 26 18:39:25

How many women do you think the Democrats have lined up to destroy Hardiman?

Dukhat
Member
Wed Sep 26 18:44:15
Somewhere between that and the number they had for Gorsuch. There are plenty of right-wing retards out there to nominate. Most probably knew how to keep it in their pants.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 26 18:46:32
did these fakers just get lucky that Kavanaugh was a raging alcoholic in school, with a friend who was also a raging alcoholic... who told his gf that he and his friends took advantage of a drunk girl?

and were playing the long game by telling a therapist years prior just in case...

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Sep 26 18:51:20

Dukhat, the right wing is not interested in retards. We want Constitutional Conservatives that will follow The Constitution.



tw, where do you get your information? That is nowhere near the truth whatever the truth may be.

kargen
Member
Wed Sep 26 19:28:42
"she says she didn't know what was going on in the rooms until it happened to her"

well then she only knows of one. She is assuming the others.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 26 20:03:45
fine, she only knows of seeing Kavanaugh drunkenly assaulting women, boys being lined up at doors, and being drugged and raped
Pillz
Member
Wed Sep 26 20:10:30
College rape parties, a common and highly secretive behavior only now made public

Surely all men to attend college, ever, are guilty
kargen
Member
Wed Sep 26 21:32:35
"fine, she only knows of seeing Kavanaugh drunkenly assaulting women, boys being lined up at doors, and being drugged and raped"

Nah she only knows it happened to her once. She is assuming Kavannaugh was a part of it.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 26 21:51:14
i'm not sure why you are trying to parse out exactly what crimes Kavanaugh did if her statement is accurate

there's no way he gets confirmed if her statement is accurate
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Sep 26 22:07:27
here's the crack-smoking child-abusing rapist's calendar he submitted as evidence of something:

http://www...naugh-1982-calendar/index.html

i don't see any drinking entries on 'beach week' when he was drunk & puking continuously for days... you might say he was out of town so no entries, but he notes some girls' names for some reason on those days
Dukhat
Member
Wed Sep 26 23:38:25
His alcoholic misogynist buddy also appears on some entries. I'm sure they were having a lovely time quilting and helping little old ladies grocery shop.

Also 2 men have come forward saying they were the ones that attacked Ford. Lol, the Republicans are desperate to muck this up.

More reason to have the fbi investigate any and all claims to help clear the air.

But Trump's obvious plan is to install a yes-man on the SC so he can fire everyone at the doj and fbi with impunity .. He can't give the fbi legitimacy you see.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Sep 27 00:14:44
i'm guessing neither guy was credible as the first & only mention of their existence was a timeline released by the committee about the whole 'investigation' w/ no details at all ever given about them

anyway, tune in tomorrow 10am EST... we get to hear what he said & what she said, and no one else... should clear things up, no problem
Forwyn
Member
Thu Sep 27 01:30:41
Cuckhat's projection is so cute.

You're peddling a fucking gangrape party story.

Rofl
Dukhat
Member
Thu Sep 27 01:36:39
Forwyn falls back on his feelings once again. Nobody cares that you feel that its ridiculous. That’s not an argument in any way snowflake,
kargen
Member
Thu Sep 27 04:08:21
"i'm not sure why you are trying to parse out exactly what crimes Kavanaugh did if her statement is accurate"

I'm saying there is the chance he committed not crime (other than maybe the under aged drinking)and maybe was like she was at the other nine parties. There but unaware of what was happening.
Forwyn
Member
Thu Sep 27 07:58:57
Cuckhat, you probably shouldn't be talking about feelings. You're advancing a gang rape party story.

Like thank God there was a brave woman with a restraining order filed against her by a registered Democrat, willing to finally reveal a 40-year old repeated event that somehow has no other witnesses.
Seb
Member
Thu Sep 27 08:24:00
AD:

Well, for a start, I'd say rape victims themselves describe it so, and over the last decade or so investigative agencies have developed entire codes of practice to try and make it less so. So, unless we think these people are lying about their experience, we should probably take their word for it.

But let's imagine.

Imagine being a rape victim, having to be inspected by a (albeit specialist) stranger, photos taken of your bodies most intimate parts which you know will be shown to other people.

Swabs taken of your orrifices, intrusive, often unconfortable, possibly painful.

Then comes a long period while the criminal justice system runs. It can take years. And through you are identified - i.e. that is who you become - as a victim. It shapes others perceptions and attitudes to you. People don't like that.


And does any of this help you as a person?
Psychologically - no.

And conviction rates are low, with charges often not being bought because of lack of evidence of no consent.

And to top it all off, nothing may even happen. A serial rapist was recently caught purely an entirely when a cop discovered her department was sitting on over 200 in processed rape evidence kits dating back decades.

So I can't totally understand the mentality that the best thing to do to achieve closure is to move on and never speak of it.

Forwyn:

Yup. A price many nor want to pay, so saying "If it were true, would she not have reported it?" is clearly "No. Probably not."

Kargen:

We are not talking about convicting and sentencing Kavanagh. The question is purely whether we can be absolutely sure he is the right person to be appointed for life to the highest court in the land.

Let's not get confused with the question of whether we should lower standards of proof for criminal justice.

He would be ruled put quickly if there were multiple credible accusations of financial impropriety, or even of a divergence from party lines on key issues.

Are you really sure that partisan views should be a more important issue than whether he assaulted a woman, such that credible suspicion of having the wrong views has a lower burden of proof (reasonable belief) is enough to rule ypu out, but whether he committed assault must be proven to beyond reasonable doubt?

Hot Rod:
How about we teach little boys not to take and that action and behaviours have consequences? Cause right now when they are kids we say " don't ruin their lives because of one silly mistake", when they are middle aged we say "don't ruin him and his families lives over a silly mistake, he has so much to cintribute" and when they are old we say "he lived a long life with important contributions, one silly mistake should not ruin his life".

(Unless you know, they are black or poor.)

At some point people need to be held accoutable.




Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Sep 27 08:39:41

Maybe we should waterboard both parties to see who confesses to lying first.

werewolf dictator
Member
Thu Sep 27 08:42:44
does anyone even remember this swetnick woman at parties.. because it seems farfetched she would even be there

she already graduated some ordinary public high school and attended some obscure community college.. but 1-3 years after high school she was being invited and attending parties for elite prep school kids on their ways to ivy league schools

werewolf dictator
Member
Thu Sep 27 09:09:12
if people aren't easy to find who remember her at parties [where she would stick out] then i'll guess 3 things..

1 she is even nuttier than ex-boyfriend says [who filed restraining order for threatening him and wife and their baby]

2 she will still end up with lots of money from democrats in gofundme account

3 between this and pizzagate-style decoder ring..michael avenatti is going to face sanctions and possible disbarment
Sam Adams
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Thu Sep 27 09:41:38
Cuckhat is cuck
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