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FoxNEWS
Member
Mon Oct 01 05:01:03
Trumpicantards think boys will be boys, because sexually assault women or getting in fights is normal.

Kavanaugh's Yale classmate: Brett once started a fight that ended with our friend in jail

Another of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh's former Yale University classmates is accusing him of propagating a “blatant mischaracterization” of his college drinking habits before the Senate Judiciary Committee, according to multiple reports.

Charles "Chad" Ludington, a North Carolina State University associate professor who used to interact with Kavanaugh while the two were at Yale, told the Washington Post and New York Times Sunday the judge had been untruthful when he told the panel last week he had never "blacked out" because he frequently saw Kavanaugh “staggering from alcohol consumption.”

"When Brett got drunk, he was often belligerent and aggressive," Ludington said in a statement to the Washington Post. "On one of the last occasions I purposely socialized with Brett, I witnessed him respond to a semi-hostile remark, not by defusing the situation, but by throwing his beer in the man’s face and starting a fight that ended with one of our mutual friends in jail."

[………]

"I do not believe that the heavy drinking or even loutish behavior of an 18 or even 21 year old should condemn a person for the rest of his life,” Ludington told the Post. “However ... if he lied about his past actions on national television, and more especially while speaking under oath in front of the United States Senate, I believe those lies should have consequences.”



http://www...ail/ar-BBNLLck?ocid=spartanntp


But Trumpicantards rejoice as they say lies are okay as long as are able to confirm a conservative judge who will not remain impartial.
Paramount
Member
Mon Oct 01 08:11:43
Chad Ludington, a Yale classmate of Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh’s who said he often drank with him, issued a statement on Sunday saying the Supreme Court nominee was not truthful about his drinking in his testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee last week.

Here is the full text of the statement:

I have been contacted by numerous reporters about Brett Kavanaugh and have not wanted to say anything because I had nothing to contribute about what kind of justice he would be. I knew Brett at Yale because I was a classmate and a varsity basketball player and Brett enjoyed socializing with athletes. Indeed, athletes formed the core of Brett’s social circle.

In recent days I have become deeply troubled by what has been a blatant mischaracterization by Brett himself of his drinking at Yale. When I watched Brett and his wife being interviewed on Fox News on Monday, and when I watched Brett deliver his testimony under oath to the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday, I cringed. For the fact is, at Yale, and I can speak to no other times, Brett was a frequent drinker, and a heavy drinker. I know, because, especially in our first two years of college, I often drank with him. On many occasions I heard Brett slur his words and saw him staggering from alcohol consumption, not all of which was beer. When Brett got drunk, he was often belligerent and aggressive. On one of the last occasions I purposely socialized with Brett, I witnessed him respond to a semi-hostile remark, not by defusing the situation, but by throwing his beer in the man’s face and starting a fight that ended with one of our mutual friends in jail.

I do not believe that the heavy drinking or even loutish behavior of an 18- or even 21-year-old should condemn a person for the rest of his life. I would be a hypocrite to think so. However, I have direct and repeated knowledge about his drinking and his disposition while drunk. And I do believe that Brett’s actions as a 53-year-old federal judge matter. If he lied about his past actions on national television, and more especially while speaking under oath in front of the United States Senate, I believe those lies should have consequences. It is truth that is at stake, and I believe that the ability to speak the truth, even when it does not reflect well upon oneself, is a paramount quality we seek in our nation’s most powerful judges.

http://www...statement-brett-kavanaugh.html


Ouch.


He drinks (he loves beer) and then he gets violent against men and tries to rape women, and then he lies under oath in front of the United States Senate.

You can't have a liar as a Supreme Court Judge.
Paramount
Member
Mon Oct 01 08:15:31
Notice how angry Kavanaugh got when he spoke in the Senate and told everyone that he loves beer? He has got issues.
Average Ameriacn
Member
Mon Oct 01 08:32:46
On Muslims don't like alcohol!

Proof that Kavanaugh is no Muslim!
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Oct 01 08:45:15

Every woman that has known him from the time he was in high school up to and including his present staff has denied that he is not the man that he is accused of being.



Paramount, if you had an impeccable reputation you would get really pissed at these accusations too.


Wouldn't you?

hood
Member
Mon Oct 01 08:53:33
I don't think rod said what he meant to say.

Also, kinda hard to make that statement when 2 women have accused him of misconduct.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Oct 01 09:08:46

The first woman does not even remember what year her incident took place and the 2nd woman's story was so far-fetched the New York Times refused to run her story.













Times
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Oct 01 09:09:19

Oops, sorry.

hood
Member
Mon Oct 01 09:17:19
So you agree that it isn't every woman?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Oct 01 09:21:43

Yep, that could have been more clear.

There are always a few exceptions to the rule.

hood
Member
Mon Oct 01 09:39:33
So you claimed that every woman who has known him since high school has supported him and said he wasa nice guy. Yet you knew full well that there were multiple accusations from women of grave misconduct. Were you just lying?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Oct 01 10:27:40

No, just careless.

Paramount
Member
Mon Oct 01 10:56:49
”an impeccable reputation”

According to his Yale classmate he did not have an ”impeccable reputation”.


He was a heavy drinker. He was often belligerent and aggressive. He threw a beer in a man’s face and started a fight that got his friend in jail. And he tried to rape women.



”an impeccable reputation”

Lol, why don’t you tell us the tale about the Little Red Riding Hood also, Hot Rod.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Oct 01 11:04:36

I would love to see your collaborating evidence for those claims.

Paramount
Member
Mon Oct 01 11:11:25
Finding evidence for the rape claims may not be possible. But consider this:

I do not believe that the heavy drinking or even loutish behavior of an 18- or even 21-year-old should condemn a person for the rest of his life. I would be a hypocrite to think so. However, I have direct and repeated knowledge about his drinking and his disposition while drunk. And I do believe that Brett’s actions as a 53-year-old federal judge matter. If he lied about his past actions on national television, and more especially while speaking under oath in front of the United States Senate, I believe those lies should have consequences.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Oct 01 11:24:05

Right there is your first error.

Where is your proof that he was a heavy drinker?


The media makes up that stuff and people like you assume it is correct because the media said so.



Paramount - I have direct and repeated knowledge about his drinking and his disposition while drunk.


Then you should contact the FBI with your proof. I'm sure they would make good use of it.


Honestly, sometimes you are just too much.

Paramount
Member
Mon Oct 01 11:27:13
”Where is your proof that he was a heavy drinker? ”

His classmate says he was.
American Democrat
Member
Mon Oct 01 11:29:43
"Where is your proof that he was a heavy drinker?"

Because there are witnesses making declarations that articulates and supports evidence he was a heavy drinker. Whom were classmates or friends. What does the media have to do with it if witnesses are offering the contrary. And do you have proof that this person wasn't real?

Don't be daft.
Paramount
Member
Mon Oct 01 11:30:32
And if he started a fight that got one of his friends in jail, then there has to be records of that in the archives. That would prove that he lied to the Senate about his past actions.

Probably a dumb question :) but do you want a liar to be a Supreme Court Judge?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Oct 01 11:51:25

I was a heavy drinker when I was in my 20s. I even blacked out a few times as I said earlier.

I was arrested for drunk driving once that cost me 73 days at the city farm. I put on 15 lbs that were much needed. They brought me up to 150 lbs at the time. Nowadays I have not drunk enough altogether to get drunk since I retired 17 years ago.

What has the man today done with his problem? If he worked his way through the problem and it no longer exists, then if it is no longer a problem then it is no longer a problem.

I was just watching The President give a little speech about the new agreement and he took questions. His early drinking problem came up and that was the first I heard of it.

My apologies for doubting you earlier.



tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Oct 01 11:54:13
"What has the man today done with his problem"

denied its existence under oath
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Oct 01 12:00:11
Trump claimed he had dirt on unnamed congress people to try to scare them off

and not the first time he's done that


Paramount
Member
Mon Oct 01 12:04:44
”I was a heavy drinker when I was in my 20s. I even blacked out a few times as I said earlier.”

Yeah, but you haven’t lied about it to United States Senate, and you are not nominated to the supreme court.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Oct 01 12:05:45

Perhaps he got ahold of some of Hoover's files. :)

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Oct 01 12:11:50
Trump claimed Kavanaugh admitted to having 'difficulty' with drinking... (Kavanaugh did not do so)

so either Trump being careless w/ words (as he always is) or Trump lying to help Kavanaugh against all the claims he lied about his level of drinking (Trump also always lies, so either case possible)
werewolf dictator
Member
Mon Oct 01 13:05:27
democrats.. unconcerned hillary supports iraq war that kills half a million people.. and supports every other war that's proposed.. or that she is still binge drinker in old age.. and so decided she is #1 person in nation who should be c-n-c and be given nuclear button..

also democrats.. worried kavanaugh is just too violent.. since in college he threw beer on some guy


democrats in 2011 gallup poll vote bill clinton as greatest president in entire usa history.. after grave accusations and lying under oath shown by physical semen on dress

also democrats.. concerned of rape accusation by female who was in late teens [at age 15] with four guys in room [with 2 of these not being in room.. plus another girl forgotten about.. and none of these people remembering anything] at house she don't know where it is nor how she got home.. with lack of any corroborating witnesses or evidence.. when she reconstructs autobiographical trauma 30 years later in psychological therapy after hearing person might be nominee.. plus another guy in college guesses kavanaugh might have drunk to blacking out rather than claim he don't.. so this means kavanaugh won't do good job on supreme court at all
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Oct 01 13:21:07
she told her therapist years ago, & she tried to get her story out -before- he was picked from a short list of possibles (message to congresswoman & washington post)... so no indication this is a political hit job

and a liar is not deserving of a lifetime appointment to the top court, proving he assaulted her would be difficult, proof he's lying about other things is much easier
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Oct 01 13:28:04
also Kavanaugh's a guy who believes a president shouldn't be hassled by investigations... coincidentally selected by a president who is an unindicted co-conspirator in 2 crimes, who surrounds himself with criminals & who is under multiple investigations
werewolf dictator
Member
Mon Oct 01 13:30:09
she told her therapist 30 years following erasures and corruptions of memory..

"In an interview, her husband, Russell Ford, said that in the 2012 sessions, she recounted being trapped in a room with two drunken boys, one of whom pinned her to a bed, molested her and prevented her from screaming. He said he recalled that his wife used Kavanaugh’s last name and voiced concern that Kavanaugh — then a federal judge — might one day be nominated to the Supreme Court." wapo
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Oct 01 13:38:45
she could be disgusted at his career progression

are you suggesting in 2012 she was so worried about Kavanaugh specifically over any possible judge that may in the future be appointed that she falsely named him then?

she would've spread it to friends far & wide if so... however the whole idea is absurd
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Oct 01 13:50:10
but that's just her husband's word, the greater evidence is her 2 attempts to reach out before he was picked


also, unfortunately not explored, is Kavanaugh seemed to suggest he did remember Ford's friend Leland who she named at being at the gathering... unfortunately no one followed it up to confirm

also also... Ford testified Chris Garrett introduced her to Kavanaugh. Kavanaugh testified that 'Squi' from his calendars was Chris Garrett. Unfortunately no one noticed (& i haven't even heard media notice)... so would be nice if Garrett questioned about that.

Both those also's create direct links to Ford & Kavanaugh meeting.


for that matter, Kavanaugh does have an entry on his calendar of drinking with PJ, Judge, (& Squi, others)... on one date... yet claims he was never at any gathering like she described... well that's 3 of the 5 people she noted (missing herself & Leland).
werewolf dictator
Member
Mon Oct 01 13:57:37
assuming ford believes what she is saying.. she seems to have reconstructed a number of memories.. that this was trauma that had major effect on life and panic attacks years after.. her age at time [late teens or 15].. people in house and seemingly in room according to therapist notes [which she couldn't remember if she released.. so i'm confused if wapo even saw some of what they were saying in these].. exact date this happens..

that she wrongly reconstructs that republican kavanaugh [who might get on sc] was guy who she believes tries to rape her seems possibility as well
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Oct 01 14:05:22
she testified she was 100% clear on it being him... under oath... she didn't have to say that

Kavanaugh having memory problems is also possible... especially when you toss in a drunken friend... a drunken friend coaxing him on could get the drunken choir boy to go further than he otherwise might have

werewolf dictator
Member
Mon Oct 01 14:12:05
http://www...m/article/911-memory-accuracy/

How does emotion in a traumatic event like 9/11 influence our memories?

Emotion kind of focuses you on a few details but lets you ignore other details. And if you are highly aroused by fear, that emotion helps you store things in your memory better, in a storage process called consolidation that depends on the interaction of the amygdala and hippocampus. But what we've known for a while is that emotion gives you a stronger confidence in your memory than it does necessarily in the accuracy. Usually, when a memory has highly vivid details and you're confident in those details, that means you're likely to be right. Confidence often goes hand in hand with accuracy. But when something is highly emotional, they often get separated.
So if you look at memory for 9/11, pretty much everybody would say, "I know where I was, who I was with," etc. etc. Everyone thinks, "Oh, I never would forget that." But we know from a lot of studies from the past 30 years that people aren't necessarily right. You can't even convince people that their memories are wrong. All you can say is that data would suggest your memory's wrong.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Oct 01 14:24:26
an assault would be a lot more personal than 9/11... & it would've given her an impression of him she would've carried forward from then on

if a particular kid beat you up in high school, i doubt you'd misremember which kid it was... you would carry the hatred forward for decades awaiting revenge >.>
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Oct 01 18:28:59
NEW HAVEN — As an undergraduate student at Yale, Brett M. Kavanaugh was involved in an altercation at a local bar during which he was accused of throwing ice on another patron, according to a police report.

The incident, which occurred in September 1985 during Mr. Kavanaugh’s junior year, resulted in Mr. Kavanaugh and four other men being questioned by the New Haven Police Department. Mr. Kavanaugh was not arrested, but the police report stated that a 21-year-old man accused Mr. Kavanaugh of throwing ice on him “for some unknown reason.”

A witness to the fight said that Chris Dudley, a Yale basketball player who was friends with Mr. Kavanaugh, then hit the man in the ear with a glass, according to the police report, which was obtained by The New York Times.

The report said that the victim, Dom Cozzolino, “was bleeding from the right ear” and was later treated at a local hospital. A detective was notified of the incident at 1:20 a.m.

Mr. Dudley denied the accusation, according to the report. For his part, speaking to the officers, Mr. Kavanaugh did not want “to say if he threw the ice or not,” the police report said.

The report referred to the altercation, which occurred at a bar called Demery’s, as “an assault.” It did not say whether anyone was arrested, and there is no indication that charges were filed.

http://www...itics/kavanaugh-bar-fight.html

Dudley was the guy Kavanaugh tried to shift to as a character witness when he was confronted by the 'sloppy drunk' accusation of Swisher.

apparently he's a drunken assaulter too :p
werewolf dictator
Member
Tue Oct 02 04:22:40
meltdown mode for swetnick.. and avenatti..

and thus for most of democrats' nutty interwoven narrative
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Oct 02 16:09:14

How many of you liberals actually believe that Kavanaugh dipped a young girls pigtails in a bottle of ink when they were in the third grade?

I understand that is the latest rumor.

Y2A
Member
Tue Oct 02 20:35:39
Bart O' a good boy, he dindu nothin.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Oct 02 21:08:40

Who is Bart?

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Oct 02 21:35:57
Bart is Brett

there's a new letter out by the drunken rape monster where he signed it Bart, and we learned it was his nickname from classmates

Bart is also the name Mark Judge used for him in his memoir of a drunken youth... and Brett acted like he didn't know if Bart O'Kavanaugh referred to him... that 'O' really threw him I guess
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Oct 02 22:06:35
here's Trump mocking Ford's testimony
http://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1047285960784969729
(she -did- know it was upstairs btw... w/ description of rooms/stairs/etc)

truly a quality president for all Americans
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Oct 02 22:57:24

That makes sense.

Thanks.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Oct 04 08:10:09

For what it's worth.


The FBI Report finds no corroboration for the claims against Judge Kavanaugh.


The Senators and nine of their assistants are being allowed to read the one and only copy, one person at a time.

jergul
large member
Thu Oct 04 08:23:22
Says who?

Oh, the White House:

"The White House has found no corroboration of the allegations of sexual misconduct against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh after examining interview reports from the FBI’s latest probe into the judge’s background, according to people familiar with the matter.

It was unclear whether the White House, which for weeks has raised doubts about the allegations, had completed its review of the FBI interview reports.

Still, the White House’s conclusions from the report aren’t definitive at this point in the confirmation process. Senators who will decide Mr. Kavanaugh’s fate are set to review the findings on Thursday, and some of them may draw different conclusions."

The Congresspeople will start looking at it today.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Oct 04 08:30:15

Give me a break.

You know as well as I that the Democrats will vote as a block. If we are lucky, one to three Dems that are in very close races might go with the Republicans.

Of course, we have a couple of Repubs that might crossover too.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Oct 04 08:32:04

It looks like they might take a vote Saturday night. I believe that is what they said.

No One
Member
Thu Oct 04 11:19:19
He needs to be blocked due his lying under oath to the Senate. Really shows he is unfit for such a lifetime appointment.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 04 11:46:37
"no corroborating" info is definitely the talking point... was put out before the White House even finished reviewing, now said by all R's

well Mark Judge was the only one possible who could have actually corroborated so not too surprising

what about evidence Kavanaugh committed perjury or 'lack of candor'?
Dukhat
Member
Thu Oct 04 11:48:58
He's getting confirmed.

It was a sham from the beginning.

1) Do absolutely no FBI investigation into Ford and Ramirez's allegations beforehand.
2) Do a sham hearing with only Ford and Kavanaugh turning it into a he-said, she-said. Ignore Ramirez and the 3rd accuser and ignore trying to get corroborating witnesses before the hearing.
3) Launch a sham FBI investigation controlled by Trump that only interviews like 5 people, doesn't interview Ford, doesn't interview Kavanaugh, basically ignore Ramirez's allegations, ignores Ramirez's list of like 20 corroborating witnesses, ignores looking at Kavanaugh's drinking habits.
4) Say you did due diligence and confirm asshat to Supreme Court.


And Trump still has 42% approval because religous old white people who vote don't give a shit about anything other than being anti-abortion because they think it gets them into heaven.

America is a fucking disaster.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Oct 04 12:24:45

It wouldn't be so bad if you moved to Iran.

Not that I think She is all that bad.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 04 13:07:14
i think they interviewed the initial 4 we heard about + the people at that one gathering on Brett's (alias Bart's) calendar that most matched the testimony (Timmy & Squi, etc :p)... i suspect just to ask about the incident specifics rather than Kav's continuous state of inebriation

they didn't interview Ford or Kavanaugh themselves, seems odd choice... could've ask Ford if anything left out from testimony or if any response to any questions raised since... or Kavanaugh more importantly, hit all the questions he ducked & dodged & the numerous questions raised since
werewolf dictator
Member
Fri Oct 05 04:22:53
a few days ago.. ford's ex-boyfriend of 6 years indicated that ford gave false information in lengthy portion of senate hearing.. and he had witnessed ford give detailed information about polygraphs to her adult lifelong bff monica mclean when mclean was scared of one before joining fbi.. this probably didn't get much coverage because mclean denied it happened

now leland keyser [ford's hs best friend supposedly at party] is saying she felt pressured by mclean to alter testimony.. and is pissed that ford insinuated her significant health injuries could have something to do with no memory of being at supposed house gathering with ford kavanaugh et al..

also seems keyser's family is outraged that she was treated this way by ford and team.. and thrown her into media maelstrom.. when ford has barely communicated with keyser in years [despite significant health problems]
werewolf dictator
Member
Fri Oct 05 13:15:24
"Christine Blasey Ford would have ruled out a key date that both Republicans and Democrats have examined in evaluating her sexual assault claim against Brett Kavanaugh, had the FBI contacted her for its inquiry, according to a member of her team.

"The July 1, 1982, entry has come under heightened scrutiny as the Senate considers Ford’s allegation against Kavanaugh, based largely on a gathering on that date that the judge listed in his calendars..


"But a member of Ford’s team said the California-based professor — who was not interviewed by the FBI for its inquiry — “would have told them that she never considered July 1 as a possible date, because of some of the people listed on his calendar who she knew well and would have remembered.”"

- politico

..

so basically beginning with senate hearing.. most every democrat in country has been making public ass of themself pushing july 1 date about particular house and people on calendar etc.. and urging fbi to investigate this

but ford or lawyers couldn't communicate that was all bullshit to anyone until now [which she now has] unless fbi interviewed her..
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Oct 05 13:18:06
so she knew even more of Brett's (alias Bart's) friends than we realized

more credibility
Dukhat
Member
Fri Oct 05 13:38:22
The details were that Ford called her friend to tell warn her that right-wing news sources were using her testimony as proof of a denial which is quite different from the right-wing portrayal of it.

As for the calendar entry; nitpicking over details is a waste of time. We don't have all the facts. The FBI should've done a full investigation and then reported. As it is; it's all a bunch of bullshit and the Republicans wanted it that way.

In cases of uncertainty; people fall back onto their partisan beliefs.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Oct 06 22:09:12

The reason Kavanaugh threw the ICE at that guy in the bar is that he thought the guy was an illegal alien.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Oct 06 22:19:49
actually he thought it was the singer of UB40

'Red Red Wine' did irritate the hell out of me... overplayed on MTV
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Oct 06 22:40:29

That was before they had UB40 or the song.

Pillz
Member
Sun Oct 07 02:45:31
Kavanagh was clearly raped while he passed out after Ford drugged him.

She is a rabid anti Trump activist and so she took the opportunity to turn the story around.

#imeithhim
Seb
Member
Sun Oct 07 03:08:58
Hotrod:

How is that an defence: "I committed assault because I thought my victim might be committing an offence".

Or do you actually think that it's ok to physically attack people if they aren't citizens?


Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Oct 07 08:25:20

jergul, my comment is intended as a joke.

ICE.

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