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Rugian
Member
Mon Oct 29 06:37:51
Ahahahaha, leftist media is melting down over this. We're so tired of winning, folks!

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Brazil’s Sad Choice

Jair Bolsonaro, the blustery hard-right candidate described as “a Brazilian Donald Trump,” appears headed for the presidency.

Jair Bolsonaro is a right-wing Brazilian who holds repulsive views. He has said that if he had a homosexual son, he’d prefer him dead; that a female colleague in the Parliament was too ugly to rape; that Afro-Brazilians are lazy and fat; that global warming amounts to “greenhouse fables.” He is nostalgic for the generals and torturers who ran Brazil for 20 years. Next Sunday, in the second round of voting, Mr. Bolsonaro will most likely be elected president of Brazil.

Behind this frightening prospect is a story that has become alarmingly common among the world’s democracies. Brazil is emerging from its worst-ever recession; a broad investigation called Operation Car Wash has revealed wanton corruption in government; a popular former president, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, is in prison for corruption; his successor, Dilma Rousseff, was impeached; her successor, Michel Temer, is under investigation; violent crime is rampant. Brazilians are desperate for change.

Against this background, Mr. Bolsonaro’s gross views are construed as candor, his obscure career as a congressman as the promise of an outsider who will clean the stables and his pledge of an iron fist as hope of a reprieve from a record average of 175 homicides a day last year. An evangelical Christian, he preaches a blend of social conservatism and economic liberalism, though he confesses to only a superficial understanding of economics.

Sound familiar? He is the latest in a long line of populists who have ridden a wave of discontent, frustration and desperation to the highest office in each of their countries. Not surprisingly, he is often described as a Brazilian Donald Trump.

Should he reach the presidential palace, one loser will be the environment, and specifically the Amazon rain forests, sometimes known as the lungs of the earth for their role in absorbing carbon dioxide. Mr. Bolsonaro has promised to undo many of the protections for the tropical forests to open more lands for Brazil’s powerful agribusiness. He has raised the prospect of withdrawing from the Paris climate agreement, scrapping the Environment Ministry and stopping the creation of indigenous reserves — all this in a country until recently praised for its leadership on protection of the environment.

It is not only the “beef, Bible and bullet” message that has brought Mr. Bolsonaro to the fore. The popular Mr. da Silva remained a strong contender despite his imprisonment until the Supreme Electoral Court ruled in August that he was ineligible to run. For a substitute, the left-leaning Workers’ Party (P.T.) turned to Fernando Haddad, a former professor, education minister and mayor of São Paulo. Though Mr. Haddad survived the first round of voting, he has failed to overcome his party’s association with corruption and mismanagement, which has fed something of an “anyone-but-the-P. T.” spirit. Polls show him far behind Mr. Bolsonaro in the second round.

The choice is for Brazilians to make. But it is a sad day for democracy when disarray and disappointment drive voters to distraction and open the door to offensive, crude and thuggish populists.

http://www...l-election-jair-bolsonaro.html
RugianLovesTheCock
Member
Mon Oct 29 06:44:57
Rugian wants his cock
jergul
large member
Mon Oct 29 06:57:15
Ruggy: "I lost my job and my Liberal friend was sad for me. Hahahaha, he is so pwn'd"
murder
Member
Mon Oct 29 07:21:21

I can't imagine anyone giving a crap what goes on in that shithole. Brazil is one giant favela.

Rugian
Member
Mon Oct 29 07:22:56
Jerggy,

Not sure what you mean, but it sounds like you're upset over this? If so, it's just a news article. Despite the media's doom and gloom, the Earth is still spinning, the Sun is still rising and falling, and life continues on in this planet of ours.

This increasingly conservative, Trumpified planet, that is.
murder
Member
Mon Oct 29 07:25:09

Trump is not conservative, and neither is the planet.
jergul
large member
Mon Oct 29 07:28:43
Ruggy
Why on earth would I be upset? I just find it a bit pathetic that you think this is a win for you personally.
Rugian
Member
Mon Oct 29 07:29:05
Murder,

The same thing can be said about Florida. We still watch it though for the entertainment value.

And "Giant" is a bit of an understatement when it comes to the fifth most populous country in the world. It's probably worth paying a little attention to.
Rugian
Member
Mon Oct 29 07:30:49
Jerggy,

It is a win for us. Think of the logging opportunities we're going to have in the next couple of years.
murder
Member
Mon Oct 29 07:33:15

"It's probably worth paying a little attention to."

Why? It's too far for them to walk. Especially the lazy Afro-Brazilians.

jergul
large member
Mon Oct 29 07:41:19
Ruggy
Feel free to expound on your new career as a logger taking advantage of these logging opportunities.

hood
Member
Mon Oct 29 07:41:30
I don't get the celebration here. "These guys are as retarded as we are!" hardly sounds like a good reason to party.
Rugian
Member
Mon Oct 29 07:41:37
And what happens when George Soros starts bussing them up as well?
Rugian
Member
Mon Oct 29 07:54:24
Jerggy,

Holy crap, you ARE upset? It's okay man, I promise that this isn't going to have any negative repercussions for you. Bolsonaro winning in Brazil isn't going to result in Sir Anders becoming Chancellor of the Neo-Kalmar Empire or anything.
jergul
large member
Mon Oct 29 08:14:55
Ruggy
My pointing out your rather pathetic degree of emotional attachment does not equate my mirroring it.

I don't give a rat's ass about who is President in Brazil.

Its the healthy attitude to have, bro.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Oct 29 08:29:17
I think ”not giving a rats ass” is something people with some degree of emotional attachment say. People who truly have no rats asses to give just don’t talk about rats asses. It is only compounded by denegrating those who like rats asses. LOL loser I dont give a shit about this. You are knee deep in rats anuses at that point.
Rugian
Member
Mon Oct 29 08:36:53
Jerggy,

I think if you reread the thread, itll be apparent that I'm not the one with emotional attachment issues here. In response to a two-line shitpost that basically said "rofl the media is so angry today, WINNING" you immediately attempted to go personal and suggested that I turned on a friend. Not exactly a typical reaction fam.

I didn't realize that Brazilian politics was such a sore spot for you. Noted for future reference.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Oct 29 09:09:59

He has his philosophy backwards.


He is a social conservative and an economic liberal.

It should be a social liberal and an economic conservative.

murder
Member
Mon Oct 29 09:12:02

"And what happens when George Soros starts bussing them up as well?"

Wouldn't it be cheaper just to ship them up to the US as cargo?

Cold Rod
Member
Mon Oct 29 09:12:34
^stupid
jergul
large member
Mon Oct 29 09:28:14
Nimi
"I think". Not really, no.

Ruggy
"We're winning" is you personalizing and forming a personal attachment to a political event taking place 1000nds of miles from where you are.
hood
Member
Mon Oct 29 09:31:14
"Ruggy
"We're winning" is you personalizing and forming a personal attachment to a political event taking place 1000nds of miles from where you are."

I mean, it's pretty clearly just a trolly jab. Reinforced by noticing the poster of said comment.
Rugian
Member
Mon Oct 29 09:52:54
Hood, I dont appreciate you implying that I have not in fact joined the cult of Bolsonaro. The man - nay, ubermench - is my new personal hero.

B O L S O N A R O
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Paramount
Member
Mon Oct 29 10:07:48
With a little luck there will be a caravan of millions of homosexual and shemale afro-brazilians who will start walking to the USA.

Owned.
Paramount
Member
Mon Oct 29 10:09:50
"Brazilian Trump"

Isn't Bolsonaro more like Duterte than Trump? Although all three of them are kinda similar.
jergul
large member
Mon Oct 29 10:11:32
Hood
Perhaps, but its all his persona is these days. You can deal with what you imagine Rugian is like in real life if you like.

Ruggy
Try to keep track. You were celebrating your personal stake in the glory of trumpism, not creating completely separate personality cults.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Mon Oct 29 10:11:57

CBC News Alerts‏Verified account @CBCAlerts


Follow Follow @CBCAlerts

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Brazil's new president elect, Jair Bolsonaro, is a right-winger who leans towards more open markets. This could mean fresh opportunities for Canadian companies looking to invest in the resource-rich country.

4:41 PM - 28 Oct 2018
jergul
large member
Mon Oct 29 10:14:09
Ruggy: "Its nuclear war. We are all going to die. Lulz, that will piss off the liberals".
Paramount
Member
Mon Oct 29 10:15:41
"He is a social conservative and an economic liberal."


Why not just say he is a Nazi. It's more simple that way.
Cold Rod
Member
Mon Oct 29 10:20:14
Because hot rod likes to not freely admit.
hood
Member
Mon Oct 29 10:22:04
"Hood, I dont appreciate you implying that I have not in fact joined the cult of Bolsonaro."

Well fine. I'll openly state it.

Rugian has not joined the cult of Bolsonaro.
RugianLovesTheCock
Member
Mon Oct 29 10:24:53
The cult of cock...however
Sam Adams
Member
Mon Oct 29 10:29:50
Good news for brazil.
Rugian
Member
Mon Oct 29 10:45:20
Jerggy: "Bolsonaro's victory is comparable to nuclear war."

Did you know someone who was executed during the junta years or something?
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Mon Oct 29 10:46:24
Jergel
Nice one bro, the type of come back one expects from a lover of rats asses, when he’s run out of words to put distance between himself and the rats ass.
jergul
large member
Mon Oct 29 10:54:00
Nimi
You seem emotional. Take a few deep breaths.

Ruggy
Way to miss the point bro. You are suffering from a bad case of cutting off nose to spite face.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Oct 29 11:00:35
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Oct 29 11:03:32
they are only known for criminals & skimpy bikinis, so a Trump-like leader makes sense
Daemon
Member
Mon Oct 29 11:08:40
Shitting BRICS
Daemon
Member
Mon Oct 29 11:36:57
Some good quotes:

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jair_Bolsonaro
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Oct 29 11:57:08
"I would never rape you, because you don't deserve it."
~Brazilian Trump

"Believe me, she would not be my first choice"
~Classic Trump, about one accuser
Allahuakbar
Member
Tue Oct 30 17:14:23
He has some good views, but why does he love the jew?

http://www...ial-bolsonaro-who-plans-visit/

Israel hails election of Brazil’s controversial Bolsonaro, who plans visit soon

Netanyahu says incoming president, who has disparaged women, gays and blacks, but also vowed to move his embassy to Jerusalem, will lead to ‘great friendship between our nations’


A declared friend of the Jewish state, Bolsonaro has said that he will move Brazil’s embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and that his first foreign trip will be to Israel.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Oct 30 17:16:40

Congratulations Mr. Bolsonaro.

Paramount
Member
Tue Oct 30 17:26:25
”He has some good views, but why does he love the jew?”

Because he is a part of Netanyahu’s network obviously. All the criminal fascist scumbags of the world gathers behind Netanyahu.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Oct 31 02:14:31
Jergi
I’d say that if you are squarly with the social democratic lot, which you said you were, does that mean anything? Who knows, but trust me that means more to you than Trump or Brazilian Trump does to Rugian. Indeed like I told seb, his opinions about ”race” means more to him than sam adams’ does to him. No go cry into a pillow over what Brazilian Trump did to your sister party. You SISTER party, tsk tsk tsk and you just stood there trying to pretend you were Mr Spock.
jergul
large member
Wed Oct 31 05:39:30
Nimi
Every political party represented in Norwegian Parliament is social-democratic. And indeed, it follows that it means quite a lot to me.

Norwegian exceptionalism cannot be mirrored by shitholes like Brazil.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Nov 01 13:22:33
Too late for that, I would say by years. Ultimatly irrelevant since even by scandinavian standards you are a proper social democrat AKA crypto communist.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Thu Nov 01 13:27:44
jergul is not ayn rand
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Nov 01 13:48:30
jergi is my buddy. If I was ever strandes on an Island and could bring anyone, I would bring Jergul. I know he can fish and probably orient himself with the stars and survive outdoors and I would have a chance. We would build a boat and be picked up by a Victoria Secret photoshoot yacht just happening to pass by. It would all work out probably.

Imagine being strandes on an island with The Children. He would bitch about not having his PS4, you know he has no useful skills and the little work hid did, he would do moping and mubling about ”wage slavery” and how ”a man must go his own way”. Bitch we need FOOD! Can you fish? No? There is the ocean, go on now go your own fucking way! That way! And you would point towards the ocean. I would have choked him to death.
Rugian
Member
Thu Nov 01 15:21:29
Dont shortchange TC, hed be very valuable for food supply.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Nov 01 15:39:32
After all those years of game playing and diet mainly consisting of Doritos and Redbull, I am not sure.
Pillz
Member
Thu Nov 01 16:45:20
You'll never be able to appreciate a good meal in the Andes unless you have tried a bad one on an island...
jergul
large member
Fri Nov 02 05:55:06
Nimi
You have an odd definition of Social Democracy. Fenno-Scandinavia are social democratic countries, not crypto communist countries.

My views can be characterised as thinking of capitalism as a market mechanism that functions extremely well in a highly regulated environment.

Dangers arise when capitalism is thought of as an ideology.
jergul
large member
Fri Nov 02 05:55:31
(a set of market mechanisms).
jergul
large member
Fri Nov 02 05:58:03
heh, and ty. I would probably not be a the worst choice :-).
jergul
large member
Fri Nov 02 06:01:30
It reminds me of a joke. A Norwegian, a Swede and a Dane are stuck on an island. They find a bottle with a Djini. 1 wish each. The Norwegian wishes himself home. The Swede wishes himself home. The Dane finds himself alone and lonely, so wishes his two friends back to the island.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Nov 02 06:44:10
Jergul
I am dissmissing you attempt to reduce the resolution. Within the social democracy (Norway) there are different parties. Even contingent on this sociocultural setting, you are a true social democrat, red AKA cryptocommunist. Between Brazilian Trump and his opponent, you identify unequivocally more with his opponent. We don’t expect you to cry, you are a man after all, but Mr Spock is a bit late to the party. Mr Spock wouldn’t have wanted me deported because I disagreed with his version of ”social democracy”. While we are on the subject of personalizing politics and disagreements.
jergul
large member
Fri Nov 02 06:59:39
Nimi
I dismiss your dismissal. That was fun.

There is no way in hell I would identify with obvious failures like Brazil.

Social Democrat. It entails a favourable view on active state ownership (though certainly not exclusive ownership of all assets).

For example the Norwegian oilfund (that currently owns about 1% of all public stock capitalization in the world). Do you think you can find even 1 Norwegian not in favour of that?
jergul
large member
Fri Nov 02 07:03:37
Nimi
You were inferring the violent overthrow. Pointing out that you were doing so from a dual citizenship perspective (a servant with two masters is the servant of none) was entirely relevant.

The perspective is quite mainstream and legislature exists in many countries that strip a citizenship from multinationals.
jergul
large member
Fri Nov 02 07:07:36
I would incidentally be against the Norwegian State owning more than 5% of all global stock assets available publically (to kill that strawman. There is a point where too much State ownership is a problem).
patom
Member
Fri Nov 02 07:35:41
Look, Trump has had a few wins but a Brazilian? I think that's stretching it a bit.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Nov 02 09:53:36
Try again, I said his opponent not ”Brazil”.

The inferences were made by you, not me. You infered some outlandish things from my rantings about socialism, you took it very personally when I was ”crushing socialism”, though you don’t seem to mind ”crush capitalism” as much. Too little too late bro.
jergul
large member
Fri Nov 02 10:50:25
Nimi
Capitalism is not an ideology to me. It is simply a set of useful market mechanisms. Social Democracy is important to me however (cutting it off like a cancer was the term you used repeatedly).

You ranted about that. I ranted about multinationals and when they should lose a citizenship.

Mission accomplished anyway. You have moderated your rhetoric extensively and returned to the fold.

Feel free to pretend that was your goal. To see what you could say before society (represented by me) reacts in a manner that might be detrimental to you.

You found out.
jergul
large member
Fri Nov 02 10:51:58
It would be nice if any of us knew the name of the person I was supposedly so vested in.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Nov 03 14:15:17
Moderated my rhetoric? Jergul, I would never use cancer as "rhetoric". Cancer is a very powerful word that I am not using lightly and to me it very perfectly describes what I see. Socialism is ideological cancer, I was very clear about this. I believe this, and further that it has metastasized several new cancerous concepts and idea systems.

Just because I don't spam every thread and interaction we have with with "socialism is cancer", doesn't mean my opinion have changed.

His name is "Brazilian Trumps opponent", what is important is that he was a social democrat. I'm just saying, if that means nothing to you, whose lot you are so squarely with, what does that mean then?
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Nov 03 14:28:10
Also I believe I said something like ”you have cancer and I am the medicine”. Obviously I am being very considerate, (and you already know this to be true) of the scandinavian people, I really love you guys, you are some of my favorite people!
jergul
large member
Sat Nov 03 16:37:00
Nimi
I don't actually give a rat's ass about what you think about what you think is Socialism.

The issue I had was when you attacked Nordic Social Democracies as cancers.

Preaching the overthrow of our systems in language used by new and old-school Nazis raises questions on at what point multinationals should lose a citizenship.

Don't bite the hand that saved you and your family. It might bite back.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Nov 03 17:09:38
You would never bite someone trying to cure you from cancer. That is just ridiculous.
jergul
large member
Sat Nov 03 18:47:15
Au contraire. Quacks are often punished quite severely. You a case in point. In the analogy, your cure for cancer is killing every cell in the body.

But, hey. You are a multinational. So don't really have as much a stake as most people do in their society. So what if the patient dies. Dr Quack has someone somewhere else to fix.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun Nov 04 01:41:38
lol lulzgul, no one is punishing anyone, what you see is old man ”Norwegian socialist Hot Rod”, swinging air and shaking his fist. Don’t you touch muh socialism! I will bite back! It is quite hilarious, but mostly sad :-(
jergul
large member
Sun Nov 04 02:46:01
Nimi
Social democracy, bro. The foundations of our incredibly successful societies.

I do not give a rat's ass about what you say about what you think is Socialism.

Is it not enough that your mentality broke your actual homeland?

Incidentally, I am attacking your multinationalism. Give up your Iraninan citizenship and commit to Sweden.

Then you can legitimately work towards changing even the social-democratic bedrock of the nation.

For now, you are not better than any knife waving refugee aiming to remove the cancers he sees on trains.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun Nov 04 02:51:41
Old angry conservatives will always feel like the progressives are tearing their world down. It is the natural progression of things, old angry conservative scandinavian guy.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun Nov 04 03:02:23
I have used ”cancer” to describe what I am talking about IRL. I know it angers you even further than most people in my surroundings are not batshit paranoid angry conservatives like you. So, I invite you to give an anonymous tip to SÄPO and see what happens. I mean if you are being honest about your fears, it would be irresponsible not to! If I suspected you were some Breivik type fella I would tip the Norwegian authorities, as I have done in the past reporting Islamist videos and Nazi alt right loons calling for death and destruction. Stand for what you believe to be true and protect the lot you are so squarly with :)
jergul
large member
Sun Nov 04 03:02:39
lol nimi, you are a reactionary, not a progressive.

Your rants are hardly different from those you uncles hold. Though at least they have the sense and gratitude to direct it at their actual homeland.

And again, it has nothing to do with what you are trying to achieve. It has to do with the position you are trying to achieve it from.

Give up the Iranian citizenship and commit to Sweden.

Then attempt to back-roll social democracy to anything you like.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sun Nov 04 03:45:45
For all intents and purpose since I lack the proper national ID card I am not an Iranian citizen. Iranian goverment will always see me as Iranian as a birth right. Giving this up it virtually impossible and requires me to juno through a lot of hoops and invest quite a lot of time, energy and money. I know of adopted Iranians in Sweden, who just gave up.

http://www.refworld.org/docid/5a840b5c4.html

That last point alone, wont happen. You are barking up the wrong tree for retarded dog reasons. This line of argument just shows me, how far the cancer has spread! Call em buddy, see what happens.


jergul
large member
Sun Nov 04 04:00:41
Nimi
It is sufficient for this purpose that you denounce your Iranian citizenship according to procedure. That Iran may not accept the denouncement is not on you.

Hell, just denounce your Iranian citizenship here in unequivical terms and I will accept that you have commited to Sweden and can say whatever the hell you like and work towards any goal you wish.
jergul
large member
Sun Nov 04 07:52:01
*crickets*?
jergul
large member
Sun Nov 04 07:56:23
renounce*
jergul
large member
Tue Nov 06 10:01:33
Do you feel up to renouncing your Iranian citizenship today Nimi?
jergul
large member
Wed Nov 07 08:28:30
Nimi
Perhaps today is the day you feel it appropriate to renounce your Iranian citizenship?

A simple "I hereby renounce my Iranian citizenship" will suffice.

We could then put this line of discussion to rest permanently.
Average Ameriacn
Member
Wed Nov 07 08:33:13
You must also renounce Allah.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Nov 07 13:57:18
I think I finally broke him for good this time around.
jergul
large member
Wed Nov 07 15:53:42
Nimi
You are indicating that your Iranian citizenship is important to you. Which is fine. Many people are Iranian citizens and proud of it.

One of them was arrested a few days ago in Denmark.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Nov 08 00:57:39
I am indicating that your opinions are unimportant to me. Which is fine. Many people find your opinions unimportant.

One of them was dismissed a few days ago on UP.
jergul
large member
Thu Nov 08 04:30:49
Nimi
You come across as often having a very strong emotional attachment to my opinions.

I find it valid to consider your posts against the backdrop of your Iranian nationality. For reasons given.

You are dismissed.
Nimatso
Member
Thu Nov 08 05:01:31
Fuck you jergul, my loyalty to Iran is none of your business. Thread closed!
jergul
large member
Thu Nov 08 05:05:02
Nimis uncle, is that you?

Iranian national: "Your political system is a cancer that must be destroyed. Many real Scandinavians agree with me. Some of them are not even in jail".
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Nov 08 14:11:10
Jerg
First of all let's make something clear.
You can't dismiss someone when you have already been dismissed, noob.

Secondly.
You come across often being very stupid, but I am forgiving person so I give you the benefit of doubt and as the post stack up the risk of you saying something stupid increases exponentially. When that inevitable moment comes I always make sure to tell you. I am as honest as I am forgiving.
jergul
large member
Thu Nov 08 14:55:27
Nimi
I dismiss your view on dismissal.

You are as Iranian as a Persian carpet.

Fixed!
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