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jergul
large member
Thu Nov 01 05:46:07
China 1.2 million graduates per year
India 1.0 million graduates per year
Russia 0.45 million graduates per year
USA 0.25 million graduates per year
Iran 0.23 million graduates per year

Yah. Discuss?
jergul
large member
Thu Nov 01 05:47:25
http://www...es-highest-number-of-engineers
Daemon
Member
Thu Nov 01 06:26:52
So why has Russia so little to offer?
jergul
large member
Thu Nov 01 08:04:39
Daemon
Everything true to East Germany after reunification is true for Russia except the massive influx of aid from Western Germany.

Tack on to that corruption and sanctions for a fuller picture.

It does however have 96 billionaires to Germany's 114. So little to offer depends on the eye of the beholder.
patom
Member
Thu Nov 01 08:47:30
How many of the Chinese and Indian engineers are getting their degree in the USA?
jergul
large member
Thu Nov 01 08:59:32
Patom
That would be in addition to the cited numbers. 20% are foreign students. 20% of that are either Chinese or Indian? Say 10 000 in jergulmath numbers?
jergul
large member
Thu Nov 01 09:00:06
Foreign students? I would not know the actual number.
hood
Member
Thu Nov 01 09:07:39
It should be noted that this comes out to about % of population of:

China - 0.086%
India - 0.074%
Russia - 0.311%
USA - 0.076%
Iran - 0.283%


I don't think anyone is praising Russian engineering any time soon. Iran certainly hasn't done anything noteworthy. So, whatcha trying to say here, jergul?
Sam Adams
Member
Thu Nov 01 09:33:37
Lol at jergulstats. Russia probably counts farmers as "biological engineer" or some fuzzy bullshit like that.
jergul
large member
Thu Nov 01 09:45:29
Hood
I am sure no one will be praising Russian engineering anytime soon.

I am not sure that per capita density is the most obvious measure to use.

There is the argument that a number of engineers doing engineering stuff will do more engineering stuff than a smaller number of engineers.

Sammy
Au contraire. Russia is very fussy about formal qualifications and the use of appropriate titles.
jergul
large member
Thu Nov 01 09:46:40
And its jergulmaths (tm) thank you very much.
hood
Member
Thu Nov 01 10:22:00
"There is the argument that a number of engineers doing engineering stuff will do more engineering stuff than a smaller number of engineers."

Sure, if the engineering stuff they do is off any value.

However, one could argue that beyond a certain density of engineers (likely based on population density and actual land area), one just doesn't need any more engineers.
Rugian
Member
Thu Nov 01 10:30:38
China needs the engineers to build prison camps for Muslims and steal superior Western tech. All of the good ones end up coming here anyway.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Nov 01 10:45:45
In Iran a technical degree assures good employment and money with some degree of certainty. It is also a good ticket out of Iran, this also partially explains why there are more women in Iran studying stem than in Sweden, to gtfo.

There is a cut off point, it is visible during recessions, during boom cycles it seems there is a never ending thirst for people with technical degrees.
Seb
Member
Thu Nov 01 15:19:56
Jergul:

The difference is Germanies billionaires are more likely to be a consequence of capturing the product of some value add process. Russia's have normally related to resource extraction and rent seeking.
jergul
large member
Fri Nov 02 04:59:55
Seb
I am not sure a Norwegian is the right person to think that resource extraction and rent seeking are inherently inferior.

I would have run with corruption, graft, and outright theft as a more questionable basis for the Russian billionaires.

Nimi
I would have pointed to Iran being a fascist technocracy as the backdrop to how it can provide engineering educations to quite a significant percentage of the relevant demographic.
Seb
Member
Fri Nov 02 07:45:47
Jergul:

I think it depends on what kind of story you are trying to tell.

Nobody would pretend Norway is anything other than dependent on economic performance elsewhere.

The implication of counting billionaires is wealth creation (undermined in that it assumes relatively consistent ability for individuals to capture wealth creation). But in Russia's case is more likely a case of corruption making it easier to capture outsized share of wealth and extract rents, and extractive industries are over represented.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Nov 02 08:31:49
It can’t provide it to a significant number of the population, the reason you see this number are partially because Iran has a much lower diversity in education programs, not a lot communication, gender studies and such program in Iran. The pull effect would exist even if they existed, because you can’t make a living studying what you are necessarily interested in. That and a long history in science, math and medicine, Iranians have contributing to STEM for atleast 1000 years in earnest.
jergul
large member
Fri Nov 02 10:44:29
Nimi
I was not suggesting a fascist technocracy emerged in a vacuum.

Seb
I think you may be using the concept of rent-extraction incorrectly.

The implication I was aiming for was suggesting a suitable number of resident billionaires assumes infrastructure providing them with the trappings their to which their lifestyles are accustomed.

Extractive industries over represented? By that you mean consumer spending is a bit lowish? Sure.
murder
Member
Fri Nov 02 16:52:29

"Yah. Discuss?"

But we still produce all the cool shit. :o)

jergul
large member
Fri Nov 02 21:15:15
Murder
Where exactly do you do that? :)
Seb
Member
Sat Nov 03 03:15:35
Jergul:

If Russian infrastructure and goods are so to quality to keep all those billionaires in the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed, why do they spend so much time in the UK (amongst others). Just enough time in fact to *not* be considered resident here for tax?
jergul
large member
Sat Nov 03 03:42:17
http://en....ties_by_number_of_billionaires
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