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Paramount
Member
Sat Nov 17 01:44:53
CIA concludes Saudi crown prince ordered Jamal Khashoggi’s assassination

http://www...rect=on&utm_term=.667d8e667239


But since this Barbarian is a friend of that Jew Jared Kushner (Netanyahu’s right hand), he is safe and can continue to murder people.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Nov 17 11:38:41
i guess Trump will have to smear the CIA again
Average Ameriacn
Member
Sat Nov 17 11:57:16
Why is the CIA undermining the relations with our ally against terrorist Iran?
Forwyn
Member
Sat Nov 17 12:07:30
Nuke Saudi Arabia, then abolish the CIA.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Nov 17 13:05:33
President Donald Trump said Saturday that he will be briefed by the CIA on its assessment about the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

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so... we'll see him come out and say 'some people say MBS knew, he says he didn't, so whaddya gonna do?'... plus probably some 'he gave a really strong denial' comments

...Trump likes the word 'strong'
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Nov 17 13:06:46

paramounted, who gave the palestinians permission to murder Jews?


You?

Paramount
Member
Sat Nov 17 13:20:59
They only kill in self defense. Their lands has been invaded and occupied by illegals. Surely, if someone would invade the USA wouldn’t you kill the invaders?
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Nov 17 16:39:47
"then abolish the CIA."

With nukes.
Hrothgar
Member
Sat Nov 17 17:52:42
It's a party in the CIA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-CG5w4YwOI
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Nov 17 19:19:18

LOL, you better go read a history book sonny.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Nov 17 21:38:48
the Jews need to examine themselves and figure out why so many people want to kill them
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Nov 18 15:47:23
"
CHRIS WALLACE: What if the Crown Prince, speaking to you the president of the United States, directly lied to you about--

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well that he told me that he had nothing to do with it. He told me that, I would say maybe five times at different points.

CHRIS WALLACE: But what if he's lying?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: As recently as a few days ago.

CHRIS WALLACE: Do you just live with it because you need him?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well will anybody really know, all right? Will anybody really know...
"

http://www...n-face-the-nation-nov-18-2018/
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do i know our idiot piece of shit garbage pile or what?

no 'strong'... but '5 times' is pretty similar
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 20 12:10:07
official White House statement... Trump is going w/ what he wants to be true, as usual:

"
...

Representatives of Saudi Arabia say that Jamal Khashoggi was an “enemy of the state” and a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, but my decision is in no way based on that – this is an unacceptable and horrible crime. King Salman and Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman vigorously deny any knowledge of the planning or execution of the murder of Mr. Khashoggi. Our intelligence agencies continue to assess all information, but it could very well be that the Crown Prince had knowledge of this tragic event – maybe he did and maybe he didn’t!

...
"

(lots of other words before & after)

http://www...j-trump-standing-saudi-arabia/

it says 'vigorously deny' instead of 'strongly deny' because someone else wrote it... Trump doesn't say 'vigorously'

so i declare my predictions as close to a complete victory, A+
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Tue Nov 20 13:57:19
"(lots of other words before & after)"

c'mon,cut him some slack.
he blamed iran.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 20 14:08:22
also says... "I understand there are members of Congress who, for political or other reasons, would like to go in a different direction"


'other reasons' being having a problem w/ state-ordered murder of journalists
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Tue Nov 20 14:13:50
" 'other reasons' being having a problem w/ state-ordered murder of journalists "

if only he was like Obama.


Serena Shim (Arabic: سيرينا علي سحيم‎,[1] Serena Ali Suhaim;[1] October 10, 1985[citation needed] – October 19, 2014) was an American journalist for Press TV. While covering the Siege of Kobanê as a war correspondent, she was allegedly murdered in a car crash. Her employer called the accident "suspicious" as she was killed two days after Turkey allegedly accused her of spying.[2]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serena_Shim#Reactions
Pillz
Member
Tue Nov 20 17:48:16
Turkey had opposition politicians shot in public on like 3 occasions in 2016 and blamed it on 'isis'.

Nobody gets in trouble for anything but Iran and Russia.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Nov 20 18:06:52
Can you imagine having video of Ahmadinejad giving the okay for bodyguards to beat up protesters in DC?
Paramount
Member
Wed Nov 21 01:27:04
Washington Post Publisher and CEO Fred Ryan’s response to President Donald Trump’s statement regarding the murder of Jamal Khashoggi:

“President Trump’s response to the brutal murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi is a betrayal of long-established American values of respect for human rights and the expectation of trust and honesty in our strategic relationships. He is placing personal relationships and commercial interests above American interests in his desire to continue to do business as usual with the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia.

The Central Intelligence Agency has thoroughly investigated the murder of this innocent journalist and concluded with high confidence that it was directed by the Crown Prince. If there is reason to doubt the findings of the CIA, President Trump should immediately make that evidence public.

President Trump is correct in saying the world is a very dangerous place. His surrender to this state-ordered murder will only make it more so. An innocent man, brutally slain, deserves better, as does the cause of truth and justice and human rights.

In this failure of leadership from President Trump, it now falls to Congress to stand up for America’s true values and lasting interests.”

http://www...rect=on&utm_term=.35475528ca6a


It is not America First. For Trump it is Saudi Barbaria/Israel First.

What a vile cockroach he is.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 21 08:44:41

Trump is right.

swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Wed Nov 21 09:29:52
"Trump is right."

trump is obama
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 21 10:37:32

SD is one of the major factors that is helping to keep Iran in check.

Not to mention, if we came down hard on them it would throw a big rock into the world economy.

Paramount
Member
Wed Nov 21 11:08:09
”Hot Rod
Revved Up Wed Nov 21 08:44:41

Trump is right”


I can see how you would think that if you are an Saudi Barbarian.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 21 11:12:16
he's repeating Trump comments as usual... unaware Trump is just an amoral used-car salesman



"Oil prices getting lower. Great! Like a big Tax Cut for America and the World. Enjoy! $54, was just $82. Thank you to Saudi Arabia, but let’s go lower!"
~ Saudi publicist
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 21 11:45:39
wow:

"Hey @realdonaldtrump: being Saudi Arabia’s bitch is not “America First.”"
~ Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii)

http://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1065289231977738240

she was my pick for 1st female president even before this tweet :p
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 21 15:54:20

She is a third class idiot.

Forwyn
Member
Wed Nov 21 23:12:42
Tulsi is the best Dem out there, tbh
Paramount
Member
Thu Nov 22 06:33:36
The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is in possession of a phone call recording of Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman in which he is heard giving an instruction to “silence Jamal Khashoggi as soon as possible,” Hürriyet columnist Abdulkadir Selvi wrote on Nov. 22.

http://www...shoggi-murder-columnist-139079



Saudis banned Khashoggi for criticizing Trump: Report

Slain journalist Jamal Khashoggi was barred from media appearances after criticizing U.S. President Donald Trump in late 2016, according to the State Department.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/saudis-banned-khashoggi-for-criticizing-trump-report-139077



So not only is Trump protecting a murderer, which is a crime, right? It seems that the murdered writer also was a critic of Trump, which can explain why Trump is siding with and protecting the murderer.
Paramount
Member
Thu Nov 22 06:42:31
Trump had a personal interest to silence the writer, like the Prince of ISIS and Barbaria had.
State Department
Member
Thu Nov 22 13:40:26
There's something fishy about that guy.
werewolf dictator
Member
Thu Nov 22 13:57:41
"a betrayal of long-established American values of respect for human rights and the expectation of trust and honesty in our strategic relationships."

the washington post is much funnier than the onion
werewolf dictator
Member
Thu Nov 22 14:13:30
liking multi-billion arms deals etc.. more than caring about one guy.. is reasonable [especially when it's similar to sicilian mafia wasting one of their old and long-serving fellow public relations employees]

winking and collaborating with saudis on syria.. or greenlighting yemen war and collaborating there.. is where putting too low a price on many thousands of foreign lives gets truly objectionable
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 28 13:05:03
Lindsey Graham is getting upset...
(reportedly the White House asked the CIA director NOT to be involved in briefing the Senate about Khashoggi)

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtHHGp1VYAAfSvZ.jpg

it's an image, so can't copy paste... basically he says he won't vote on anything until he gets the full story from CIA
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Nov 30 15:15:47
here are killers Putin & MBS with a friendlier greeting than even puppet Trump gets

http://twi...dez/status/1068541058085253120

w/ caption by Bob Menendez:

"That feeling when you own the President of the United States and can do whatever you want."
Paramount
Member
Fri Nov 30 15:25:53
They have the US where they want it. So they are doing high five and laughing at it. The only one missing there is Netanyahu. But he is more prone to work behind the scenes, as the master of the puppets do.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 04 12:32:54
well Lindsey Graham came out of the CIA briefing today saying 'MBS totally knew, fuck the Saudis & fuck their war in Yemen' (paraphrasing)

Trump shill on CNN said maybe knew info has come to light, trying to give Trump cover to potentially change his tune
Rugian
Member
Tue Dec 04 12:36:06
Rand Paul blasts ‘deep state’ for shutting him out of CIA briefing
By MARIANNE LEVINE 12/04/2018 12:17 PM EST

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) lashed out at the “deep state” Tuesday for excluding him and other senators from a briefing with CIA Director Gina Haspel on the killing of Jamal Khashoggi.

The briefing was limited to a select group of lawmakers, including leaders of the Senate’s Armed Services Committee, Foreign Relations Committee and Intelligence Committee.

The meeting comes after bipartisan outrage that Haspel didn’t attend an administration briefing for senators last week on Khashoggi's killing, which took place at the Saudi Arabian Consulate in Turkey earlier this year.

Haspel was also sent to Capitol Hill as part of a bid to stave off a Senate vote on whether to pull U.S. support for Saudi-backed forces in Yemen.

Paul said that the exclusion of most senators was undemocratic and that Haspel should have testified before all senators.

“There are eight people in Congress who get briefings on intelligence,” Paul said. “That is not democracy. That is not democratic representation nor is it democratic oversight.

Paul added that he only heard about the meeting from media reports.

“I think the very definition of the deep state is when the intelligence communities withhold information from Congress,” he said.

http://www...ut-out-of-cia-briefing-1043386
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 04 12:46:12
cracks forming! maybe R's will finally stop accepting this absurdity... (meaning Trump in total, not just the murder cover-up)
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Dec 04 13:15:07

You know what?

I wonder how many people that The United States military has assassinated over the years or turned a blind eye when previous allies did so.


The only reason this is a matter of interest is due to the antipathy between the left and the right in American politics.


OBL comes to mind.

Pillz
Member
Tue Dec 04 13:19:50
Hot Rod compares WaPo writers to OBL, complains about partisanship in the same post.


Just wow
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Dec 04 13:21:30

No, I'm just talking about assassination.


That is the point, isn't it?

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 04 13:50:11
a moral person would realize assassinating a journalist is different than assassinating a terrorist

also Graham, Corker are both R's... both saying they are sure MBS involved
& presumably Paul would agree if they'd let the lil fella in (also an R)
& presumably Gina Haskel (head of CIA) is convinced of it too

so not a partisan issue... an amoral president issue, his instant reaction before anything known was 'we're not touching the arms deal!'... and he's stuck w/ his intention from the start, choosing not to believe intel that goes against his wishes

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 04 13:50:55
...as he does w/ Russia ...and the climate
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Dec 04 15:32:26

I thought it was a question of due process.

Something you liberals seem to have forgotten exists.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 04 15:40:22
due process? has Fox News been telling you Khashoggi was a criminal & deserving of death?

...i know Trump was nice enough to note the Saudis considered him 'an enemy of the state'

how soon til you're fine with Trump killing off journalists (aka 'enemies of the people')?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Dec 04 15:55:52

No, but I believe that anyone that is going to be put to death by the State deserves due process.


Something that is, unfortunately, lacking in assassinations.


Do you remember that American that Obama smoked with a remote missile? He never got due process nor did his son who was in the car with him.


Both sides assassinate whomever they think is necessary.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 04 16:21:58
you're still struggling to see the difference between a journalist & a terrorist

i guess not surprising as your lord & master declared what the US does is no better than Putin
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Dec 04 16:36:30

And you are failing to see the logic that both the journalist & a terrorist are entitled to due process.

Do you know why?

Thought not.


You see, from Mohammed bin Salman's POV is that the journalist is no better than a terrorist as far as his country is concerned.

It is all POV.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 04 16:38:11
and we, as supposedly moral people, are supposed to object...

thank you for proving Trump has no moral compass, & apparently it's spreading to his cult...

be afraid
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Dec 04 16:49:53

Trump has not had a single soul assassinated and is only trying to save a Strategic Ally that we need desperately in the Middle East. If he refuses the SA purchase of arms they will tell us to kiss their ass and buy from Russia or China.

Is that what you want?


What I proved is that Obama had two American citizens assassinated without due process.

swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Tue Dec 04 16:56:39
"and we, as supposedly moral people, are supposed to object..."

best joke evah
so what
Member
Wed Dec 05 12:37:33
HR, you got a point about partisanship. The "resistance" protests but not too much as to endanger the weapons deal, because they get some of their bread from the war industry and the finance industry. Like with glorifying that deceased war criminal bush, it is meant to throw shade on Trump, who is too arrogant and narcistic to obey the establishment.

There are no establishment journalists or politicians who are standing up for Assange or Snowden, who have have contributed much in exposing the wrongdoings of the powers that be,and whom many with power in the US haveade it know that they want to see Assange and Snowden dead.
werewolf dictator
Member
Wed Dec 05 14:10:53
he wasn't obl.. he was instead obl's close personal friend

he was journalist who started making obl famous in reports while cia was supporting jihadi war in afghanistan vs evil empire

he was guy assigned by royal family to be intermediary with obl

like everyone spending lifelong career working for saudi corporate media he was very fine journalist tho.. no finer expression of accurate unbiased reporting than you find in saudi corporate media.. well prepared to do similar journalism for new patrons at washington post

but why did khashoggi get in trouble with mbs

maybe he supported different prince.. maybe mbs was suspicious of khashoggi friendliness towards muslim brotherhood

but saudis yanked his lifelong saudi corporate journalism microphone after criticizing trump late sept 2016.. since he said trump would be too servile to putin and so wouldn't fight iranian "hegemony".. being insufficiently anti-iran is not problem here

slightly before that he was explaining "Riyadh has saved Yemen through Operation Decisive Storm, which was launched in March 2015. Now perhaps it is time for another, similar operation. It will not take too much time to happen and be fruitful.".. journalism

then there was this gem about possibly releasing 28 pages of saudi connections to 911

Should we be suspicious of Washington’s Mideast policies?
Sunday, 14 August 2016

http://eng...ngton-s-Mideast-policies-.html

the part about who released which anti-assad leaders out of prison is most mendacious irony.. but pretty entertaining otherwise lol


trump definitely should ditch saudis.. but not resume when cia gets some new leader they like actually for being worse
Forwyn
Member
Wed Dec 05 14:27:58
Do people actually care more about punishing Saudi Arabia for offing some Muslim Brotherhood "journalist" than for literally funding ISIS?

lol
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