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the wanderer
Wed Nov 21 12:02:44

WASHINGTON (AP) — Chief Justice John Roberts is pushing back against President Donald Trump's description of a judge who ruled against Trump's new migrant asylum policy as an "Obama judge."

It's the first time that the leader of the federal judiciary has offered even a hint of criticism of Trump, who has previously blasted federal judges who ruled against him.

Roberts said Wednesday the U.S. doesn't have "Obama judges or Trump judges, Bush judges or Clinton judges." He commented in a statement released by the Supreme Court after a query by The Associated Press.

Roberts said on the day before Thanksgiving that an "independent judiciary is something we should all be thankful for."

Last year, the president used the term a "so-called judge" after the first federal ruling against his travel ban.


it's safe to say every respectable person in government hates Trump
Wed Nov 21 12:18:34
the wanderer
Wed Nov 21 13:09:51
it's a significant smackdown

a kindly note to Trump to shut the fuck up w/ his smearing of the judicial branch
the wanderer
Wed Nov 21 13:18:19
there's also been many admirals & generals expressing disgust at various times

people who traditionally stay out of politics noting what a disaster Trump is is notable
Anarchist Prime
Wed Nov 21 13:23:31
can't wait till they name an aircraft carrier after him.
Wed Nov 21 13:58:49
"smearing of the judicial branch"

Can't touch judges
Can't touch cops
Can't touch journalists
Can't touch intel

Undoubtedly an issue with US government corruption that transcends administrations, but can't talk shit about anyone within the government or the Fourth Estate. lol

Ninth Circuit shills can and should be called out for their ludicrous rulings.
Average Ameriacn
Wed Nov 21 14:35:37
Activist judges should be locked up.
Wed Nov 21 14:45:43
They may not have Obama judges but they sure as fuck have judges that try to legislate from the bench and the ninth circuit court is dominated by them.
In this case though the judge was correct in his ruling. An aside, if congress would do their job judges wouldn't have to make rulings like this.
the wanderer
Wed Nov 21 15:07:04
you guys got your wish:

"Sorry Chief Justice John Roberts, but you do indeed have “Obama judges,” and they have a much different point of view than the people who are charged with the safety of our country. It would be great if the 9th Circuit was indeed an “independent judiciary,” but if it is why......"

<he's still pecking at his iPhone to finish... 15 mins gone by>
the wanderer
Wed Nov 21 15:25:07
"In this case though the judge was correct in his ruling. "

you're going to say this yet still defend baby Trump? he complains at every single thing that doesn't go his way & smears those who cause it... (which DOES influence people... many many people... who somehow don't notice he's an ignorant lying child)

what exactly will it take for Trump to go too far in your mind?

he needs to go
the wanderer
Wed Nov 21 15:29:05
here's the continuation of his tweet:

".....are so many opposing view (on Border and Safety) cases filed there, and why are a vast number of those cases overturned. Please study the numbers, they are shocking. We need protection and security - these rulings are making our country unsafe! Very dangerous and unwise!"
~unfit lump


as to those numbers he & Hannitys will misrepresent:

In fact, the Supreme Court reversed about 70 percent of cases it took between 2010-15. Among cases it reviewed from the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, it reversed about 79 percent.

The 9th Circuit’s reversal rate is higher than average, but it’s not the absolute highest among the circuit courts. That distinction goes to the 6th Circuit, which serves Ohio, Michigan, Kentucky and Tennessee, with an 87 percent average between 2010-15. The 9th Circuit is in third place.

which sounds bad for all circuits not just 9th, but the SC hears well under 1% of the cases, so 99+% are not being overturned
Wed Nov 21 15:53:19
I'm not defending President Trump. I am saying there are judges that try to legislate from the bench and the Ninth Circuit Court is full of them. Judges trying to legislate from the bench isn't just a left thing. Some on the right do it also.

I don't care for a lot of what President Trump does but so far he hasn't done anything that would warrant his removal from office prior to the 2020 elections.
the wanderer
Wed Nov 21 16:01:36
prepare for Trump to say the Supreme Court is biased if they don't overturn the ruling... which they won't

and prepare for his legion of idiots to agree
Wed Nov 21 16:11:34
"In this case though the judge was correct in his ruling."

Lol. Nah. Congress has given incredibly broad discretionary powers to the Executive. The Executive determined that you can't jump a fence then cry for asylum. The judge went "Wahhh that's arbitrary". It's not based on actual legislation.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 21 16:12:44

I agree with kargen.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 21 16:14:12

No, he just told a lie.

Wed Nov 21 16:27:52
"Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title."

There is no discretion there. You reach the USA you can ask for asylum. More than 80% of the time it will be denied and you are sent back. Very few if any of the participants in the caravans will be granted asylum because fleeing poverty or just wanting to be able to work isn't an acceptable reason. Most would be better off going through the process of getting a work visa. That process needs to be streamlined though.
Wed Nov 21 23:11:53
Hmm. Guess he should let the AG make the call.

Thanks, kargen.

(2) Exceptions
(A) Safe third country
Paragraph (1) shall not apply to an alien if the Attorney General determines that the alien may be removed, pursuant to a bilateral or multilateral agreement, to a country (other than the country of the alien’s nationality or, in the case of an alien having no nationality, the country of the alien’s last habitual residence) in which the alien’s life or freedom would not be threatened on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and where the alien would have access to a full and fair procedure for determining a claim to asylum or equivalent temporary protection, unless the Attorney General finds that it is in the public interest for the alien to receive asylum in the United States.

(3) Limitation on judicial review
No court shall have jurisdiction to review any determination of the Attorney General under paragraph (2).
the wanderer
Wed Nov 21 23:42:07
"...determines that the alien may be removed, pursuant to a bilateral or multilateral agreement"

what type of agreement are they referencing there?

in any case, still wouldn't mean the court ruled wrongly

also Trump doesn't know the AG does anything other than oversee Mueller
Thu Nov 22 10:38:27
Happy Thanksgiving to all!


Donald J. Trump

Justice Roberts can say what he wants, but the 9th Circuit is a complete & total disaster. It is out of control, has a horrible reputation, is overturned more than any Circuit in the Country, 79%, & is used to get an almost guaranteed result. Judges must not Legislate Security nd Safety at the Border, or anywhere else. They know nothing about it and are making our Country unsafe. Our great Law Enforcement professionals MUST BE ALLOWED TO DO THEIR JOB! If not there will be only bedlam, chaos, injury and death. We want the Constitution as written!
the wanderer
Thu Nov 22 11:39:40
repeating Hannity's lie... shocking

Trump's sole source of info is Fox News entertainment shows... let's add that to impeachable offenses, certainly is unacceptable
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Nov 22 11:50:33

Justice is wrong.

The two women that Obama put in the court always vote with a liberal slant.

Thu Nov 22 14:04:16
Hot Rod, is that your opinion or do you have facts that back up your assertions. Do you have the court and or any trial records?
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