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Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Nov 26 14:29:34

They will be closing five plants and laying off 14,700 employees in North America.



That idiot Tim Ryan wants Trump to keep his "promise" about bringing jobs back to Ohio.

Any fool would know this is not Trump's fault.

The people that are running the company now are trying to sell energy efficient cars when the American drivers want something with a little more horsepower.

It's like putting the patients in charge of the asylum.


You can thank Obama for that.

swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Mon Nov 26 14:31:47
thanks Obama.
Rugian
Member
Mon Nov 26 14:32:32
GM are cocksuckers. We sh li old have let them die off in 2009.
Rugian
Member
Mon Nov 26 14:32:45
Sh li old
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Mon Nov 26 14:36:43
thanks Obama.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Nov 26 14:36:44

Isn't that 'should' in the Tasmanian Devil language?

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Nov 26 14:38:47
“I think you’re going to see something else happen there, but I’m not happy about it. I have no doubt that in a not too distant future they’ll put something else. They better put something else in.”
~meaningless comments & threat by an idiot dictator
Average Ameriacn
Member
Mon Nov 26 14:40:13
We simply need high tariffs on foreign cars.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Nov 26 14:44:17

No, Obama should not have screwed the investors and turned the management of the company over to the unions.

IIRC.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Nov 26 14:51:37
Trump will bring his airline, casino, steak, & fraud university business expertise to the auto industry
Paramount
Member
Mon Nov 26 15:00:27
Lol. A promise made, a promise kept.

Thanks Obama.
Rugian
Member
Mon Nov 26 15:01:57
"& fraud university"

Only according to that Mexican hater of Trump judge.
hood
Member
Mon Nov 26 15:13:34
Thanks Obama for making GM profitable (they had a decent year).

This is all Trump. His removal of the regulations requiring strict mpg efficiency improvements across the whole fleet of vehicles allows these car companies to dump the less profitable cars (read: cheaper MSRP) and keep only the more profitable ones (suvs, trucks). They wouldn't have made mpg efficiency targets if they got rid of these sedans and they wouldn't be closing factories and laying off people.

So thanks Trump. Your deregulation has cost jobs.
Rugian
Member
Mon Nov 26 15:14:33
Only 14,700. Hes still up at least eleventy billion or so.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Nov 26 15:41:14
speaking of jobs #'s

Trump on how many jobs we being created by the trade deal w/ Saudi Arabia:

"over 40,000 jobs" (Trump, Mar 20)
...
<<Khashoggi murder>>
...
"450,000 jobs" (Trump, Oct 13)
"500,000 jobs" (Trump, Oct 16)
"600,000 jobs" (Trump, Oct 19)
"over a million jobs" (Trump, later Oct 19)


...no actual back-up to any figure obviously
murder
Member
Mon Nov 26 15:58:41

"over a million jobs"

I guess we're going to need that Mexican labor after all.

Rugian
Member
Mon Nov 26 16:08:12
Trump's just been accounting for inflation. We'd be at over THREE million jobs by now if the stupid Fed didn't keep raising interest rates #FireMnuchin
patom
Member
Mon Nov 26 16:24:32
Trump wants them German Cars banned from the US too. Shut that German Car Plant down in Spartenburg SC.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Nov 26 16:26:45

tw - They better put something else in.”
~meaningless comments & threat by an idiot dictator

Yeah, put in a car that sells to a public that wants it. Sounds like pretty sound advice to me.





hood, do I have this right?

By eliminating regulations that would have made their cars cheaper to sell is what caused people not to buy them.

Is that right?






murder, whatever happened to that itinerant farmer program that worked so well for so many years before Caesar Chavez unionized them?

Pillz
Member
Mon Nov 26 16:48:46
This is the highest concentration of stupid posts in the board right now (if we don't count Sebs posts in other threads)
delude
Member
Mon Nov 26 17:08:05
"By eliminating regulations that would have made their cars cheaper to sell is what caused people not to buy them.

Is that right? "

You are such an imbecile on so many levels....
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Nov 26 21:01:11

That's what he said fool.

I'm just checking to see if he knows it.

Rugian
Member
Mon Nov 26 21:59:49
Hot Rod,

Not that I'm saying that Hood is right here, but his argument is basically as follows...

Under the Obama-era regulations, car manufacturers were supposed to steadily increase their total average emissions standards, capping out at 54.5 MPG by 2025. So if those standards moved forward, a manufacturer might produce every three cars like this in a couple of years:

Hybrid vehicle (made in America): 80 MPG
Regular sedan (made in America): 55 MPG
SUV (made in Mexico): 30 MPG
Combined average: 55 MPG

Problem is, no one in America is buying the hybrids and sedans, because those are gay and SUVs are fucking awesome. So when the Trump administration comes in and repeals the upcoming emission requirements, the manufacturers realize that it's more profitable to produce every three cars they make like so:

SUV (made in Mexico): 30 MPG
SUV (made in Mexico): 30 MPG
SUV (made in Mexico): 30 MPG
Combined average: 30 MPG

As a result, the American plants (which are geared toward making hybrids and sedans) are shuttered, while the foreign plants (which produce SUVs) are maintained and actually expanded.

Again, not saying it's right, but that's the logic.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Nov 26 22:23:47

Sorry, but I see his logic as, "By eliminating regulations that would have made their cars cheaper to sell is what caused people not to buy them."


Whereas Trump's logic is, if you have a product that no one wants then you need to make a product that people want.

He sees no moral reason to downsize the company especially when the unions hold the reins.


With the price of gas right now the American public be able to afford a muscle car or too.


But, I do see your point. The only thing is if they only make SUVs it reminds me of the days that ford only made Tin Lizzies.

:)

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Nov 26 22:26:19
*-American public should be able to afford...
hood
Member
Mon Nov 26 23:10:53
SUVs don't kick ass, nor are they muscle cars.

Really, what this all comes down to is that American companies are doing what American companies do: rip you the fuck off by charging well beyond reasonable for whatever product they're selling you. It isn't like the steel, components, or R&D of an SUV/Truck is much greater per vehicle than a sedan. They can just charge $15,000 more per car because people think bigger = more expensive and don't question.


And hot rod is dumb. Trump didn't consider for a second any fallout of the regulation repeal.
The Children
Member
Tue Nov 27 08:26:02
butbutbut maga!

ahahahaaa
Delude
Member
Tue Nov 27 08:37:11
"That's what he said fool.

I'm just checking to see if he knows it."

You're such an imbecile. Good job displaying again your poor comprehension skills and ignorance about a topic, that is relatively easy to understand. All for the sake of worshipping Trump.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Nov 27 09:17:47

LOL.

Wrath of Orion
Member
Tue Nov 27 13:15:16
Retard Rod trying to do logic is an exercise in futility, to say the least. At least it's funny to watch.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 27 13:22:49
"
Very disappointed with General Motors and their CEO, Mary Barra, for closing plants in Ohio, Michigan and Maryland. Nothing being closed in Mexico & China. The U.S. saved General Motors, and this is the THANKS we get! We are now looking at cutting all @GM subsidies, including....

....for electric cars. General Motors made a big China bet years ago when they built plants there (and in Mexico) - don’t think that bet is going to pay off. I am here to protect America’s Workers!
"

BOYCOTT GM!!! they are making Trump look bad!!!
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Nov 27 13:50:26

That ditzy broad is planning on opening the plants in China to build cars.

I really resent that.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 27 13:51:37
do you resent Donald & Ivanka making their products in China?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Nov 27 14:05:32

Are they still doing that?

It was my understanding that Ivanka sold her business and dad never did any business.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Nov 27 14:08:42
*-there
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 27 14:17:36
never did? Trump shirts, ties, eyeglasses, mirrors, ceramic vases, wall decorations, kitchen items and lighting fixtures, shampoo, body wash, moisturizers, shower caps, laundry bags, show bags, pet collars, pet leashes and bath towels made in China

Ivanka supposedly left her fashion line, but given she's still grabbing patents i'm confident still running sweatshops for other products

and your argument would only be meaningful if they MOVED production to the USA, not abandoned it (or b/c shops no longer wanted to sell it)
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Tue Nov 27 14:23:05
trump steaks didn't come from china!
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Tue Nov 27 14:23:18
or did they?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 27 14:33:45
wikipedia says the steak came from a business in Atlanta... who knows the true origin
patom
Member
Tue Nov 27 15:35:29
Probably from beef raised in Florida if Atlanta was the distribution point. (for those who don't know, Fla. is the #1 beef producing state in the Union)
Wrath of Orion
Member
Tue Nov 27 17:25:26
^Huh?
TJ
Member
Tue Nov 27 18:32:18
http://www.beefusa.org/beefindustrystatistics.aspx
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 28 08:23:01

I have a gut and sometimes my gut tells me more than all of the brains in the West.

~President Trump

jergul
large member
Wed Nov 28 09:14:10
That is one mighty big gut.
hood
Member
Wed Nov 28 09:18:59
"what's your gut telling you?"
Trump stares blankly at the questioner for a moment. "I have to poop," Trump says, walks of stage.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 28 09:29:32

My gut tells me that The President is doing everything he can to revive the principles of The Republic that our Founding Fathers gave us in The Constitution.

Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Nov 28 10:09:33
No doubt your gut is the same one that tells patom Florida is the #1 beef state...
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 28 10:30:45

I know very little about the beef industry.

Where patom got his information, you will have to ask him.


BTW, we all know of your infatuation with sheep.

Did you ever make it with a Herford or a Longhorn?

Rugian
Member
Wed Nov 28 10:35:33
Interesting facts!

"The largest single brood cow herd in the US is located in Florida. Florida is home to five of the top ten largest Cow/Calf operations in the US (2009). Florida was ranked 10th in the nation in number of beef cows in 2011. Nearly one-half of all Florida Agricultural land is involved in cattle production."
Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Nov 28 10:50:13
Yes, we already know he was wrong.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Nov 28 11:06:54
"Did you ever make it with a Herford"

Never tried, but I do know how to spell the breed correctly, moron. Hereford.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 28 13:36:33

Go talk to spell check. Or should I go to the dictionary and make sure that spell check has every word spelled correctly?


Keep trying on that HerEford, maybe you can woo (no pun intended) her with some nice bluegrass from Kentucky. Pick up some next time you are down there. Or here is an idea, call a florist in Kentucky and have her air express a bale of it to you.

Cold Rod
Member
Wed Nov 28 13:48:46
Please don't try the dictionary, because of your track recording using a search engine is embarrassing, we can only imagine how this will turn up. But if I recall correctly, memory lane or the archivist has some hilarious attempts by you using the dictionary before.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 28 15:47:35

Why don't you quit playing around and go back to your real tag? You aren't fooling anyone.

Cold Rod
Member
Wed Nov 28 16:05:20
Why don't you consider suicide as an option and do society a favor?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 28 16:31:19

If I were you, I would.

Cold Rod
Member
Wed Nov 28 17:58:25
You should consider; what have you accomplished in life? 8th grade education. Check. Pedophile. Check. A man with no principles. Check. Your children want to have nothing to do with you. Check. Being a bigot and racist. Check.


Yeah you should consider it.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 28 20:42:29

Obviously, the only thing you were able to achieve is how to be stupid to the nth degree.

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