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tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 29 11:28:34
One of Donald Trump’s closest advisers spoke with a Kremlin official in 2016 about securing Russian government support for a planned Trump Tower in Moscow, he said on Thursday.

Michael Cohen, who served as Trump’s legal fixer for more than a decade, said in explosive testimony that Trump continued trying to develop a tower in Russia’s capital months into his campaign for the presidency – contradicting Trump’s account.

The development signalled legal peril for Trump, whose presidency has been besieged by special counsel Robert Mueller’s inquiry into whether his campaign team colluded with Russia’s interference in the 2016 US election.

Cohen made his disclosure as he pleaded guilty to lying to Congress about the Moscow project. He said he made false statements to hinder the Trump-Russia investigation and to protect Trump, who was identified in court as “Individual 1”.

“I made these statements to be consistent with Individual 1’s political messaging and out of loyalty with Individual 1,” Cohen told the federal court in Manhattan, after signing a plea agreement with Mueller. He did not say if Trump directed him to lie.

Mueller said Cohen had specified that he lied “to give the false impression that the Moscow project ended before the Iowa caucus” – the critical first vote in Trump’s presidential primary contest in 2016.

Outside the White House, Trump told reporters that Cohen was “a weak person and not a very smart person” and claimed without evidence that Cohen was lying to secure a reduced punishment for other crimes.

Mueller said that in addition to lying about the extent of Trump’s oversight of the Moscow project, Cohen’s emails showed that he also lied when he told Congress that there had been no plans for Trump to travel to Moscow in 2016.

The new disclosures challenged Trump’s repeated denials neither that he nor his associates had any contact with Russian officials. Mueller is investigating whether Trump’s team coordinated with Moscow’s interference in 2016, which US intelligence agencies concluded was aimed at helping Trump win.

In August last year, Cohen told congressional investigators that while he had sent a speculative email to Vladimir Putin’s press secretary, Dmitry Peskov, about the Trump Tower project, he received no reply, and had no other contacts with Russian officials about the plans.

But Mueller said in a court filing on Thursday that Cohen now admitted that he did receive a reply from Peskov’s office, and that during a telephone call with Peskov’s assistant in January 2016, he “requested assistance in moving the project forward” with land and financing.

Cohen also said on Thursday that efforts to pursue the Moscow project actually continued until June 2016 – several months later than he claimed previously. By that time, Trump was the presumptive Republican presidential nominee.

Last year, Cohen claimed to Congress that in January 2016 it was decided the Moscow development “was not feasible for a variety of business reasons and should not be pursued further”. This allowed Trump to deny having had any business ties to Russians during the presidential campaign.

Cohen now admitted that he had briefed Trump on the Moscow more frequently than the three occasions that he previously admitte, according to Mueller, and that he also briefed unidentified Trump “family members”. Trump’s eldest three children were senior executives in his property company.

The special counsel said Cohen also made plans for Trump to travel to Russia during the presidential campaign. He asked Trump if a visit would be possible and “asked a senior campaign official about potential business travel to Russia,” Mueller said.

Cohen allegedly said in a May 2016 email that Trump’s visit to Russia would take place “once he becomes the nominee after the convention”.

Mueller said Cohen made that suggestion in an email to Felix Sater, a Russian-born business associate of the Trumps, who worked with Cohen on the “Trump Tower Russia” plans and claimed to have connections with influential figures in Moscow.

Sater emailed Cohen the day after Cohen spoke with the Kremlin aide, according to Mueller. “It’s about Putin they called today,” the email said.

Sater continued trying to arrange travel to Russia for the project for several months, according to Mueller. In May 2016, he wrote to Cohen to say he had spoken “with Moscow” about “a pre-meeting trip” involving only Cohen and a possible further visit involving “the 2 big guys” – apparent references to Trump and Putin.

http://www...ss-lying-mueller-investigation

seems Trump has been lying... who could've guessed

and the garbage pile's garbage children possibly implicated too... nice :p
Rugian
Member
Thu Nov 29 11:30:07
Scumbag sleazy lawyer trying to save himself by framing everyone else around him.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 29 11:40:09
is that really the most likely scenario given who we're talking about? Cohen lying for Trump makes more sense... and Trump lying makes total sense

also there is email backup to some of it... maybe a lot of it... go Mueller!
Rugian
Member
Thu Nov 29 11:42:33
Mueller should be charged with treason at this point for his ongoing attempts to destroy the president. As for The Guardian, I hope they get sued into oblivion over this (in a UK court of course).
Rugian
Member
Thu Nov 29 11:46:27
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
When will this illegal Joseph McCarthy style Witch Hunt, one that has shattered so many innocent lives, ever end-or will it just go on forever? After wasting more than $40,000,000 (is that possible?), it has proven only one thing-there was NO Collusion with Russia. So Ridiculous!
7:16 AM · Nov 29, 2018 · Twitter for iPhone

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Exactly!
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 29 11:50:37
the tweet yesterday where he claimed Mueller was 'viciously' getting witnesses to lie was better

Trump totally seems like an innocent person w/ his behavior
Paramount
Member
Thu Nov 29 12:02:26
I hope they will investigate Trump’s connection to Israel and Saudi Barbaria also. That is where the real outrageous shit will be found.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 29 12:05:42
here's the Liar King dancing & moving... basically admitting to Cohen's claims (if you don't have the brain parasite)

http://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1068171013681229824
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 29 12:08:33
on Saudis:

"Saudi Arabia, I get along with all of them. They buy apartments from me. They spend $40 million, $50 million. Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much."

yeah, there's connections
Dukhat
Member
Thu Nov 29 12:28:50
This drip drip drip is good for Trump. Idiots like Rugian can slowly internalize the lies and rationalize them.

When stupid people are presented with information that contradicts their own biases, they always fall back to their own tribalism.

Look at information on climate change. All the cuckservatives suck each other off with their horrible, idiotic arguments to "explain" it away.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 29 12:36:56
i think Rugian is only mimicking ReTrumplicants... but sadly there are many who would say exactly what he said & mean it
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Nov 29 13:55:43

Trump was allowed to run his business right up until the time he was sworn in on Jan 20, 1918.

hood
Member
Thu Nov 29 14:08:12
^ so much stupid.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 29 14:13:15
that will be the Fox News propaganda channel position... there will be no concern if selfish narcissist Trump's reason for advocating friendlier ties w/ Russia from the start of his campaign was just because of his business deal, and they will ignore all the lying about this just like they ignore all his other lying about everything else
kargen
Member
Thu Nov 29 15:24:32
President Trump was asked why he hired Cohen all those years ago and then kept him around if he was so bad. President trump replied because a long time ago he did me a favor.

So now the press can go scrambling around trying to find out what that favor was. Funny how they still can't see how easily the president manipulates them.
obaminated
Member
Thu Nov 29 15:27:02
So, no collusion. Remember when that was what mueller was tasked with investigating?
delude
Member
Thu Nov 29 15:32:04
^too dumb to understand how investigations work and what the definition of collusion is.
obaminated
Member
Thu Nov 29 15:34:45
Yes, lots of investigations are open ended with no oversight. The stasi were great at it
delude
Member
Thu Nov 29 15:35:43
^Still doesn't understand how investigations work.
werewolf dictator
Member
Thu Nov 29 15:57:23
what's the full list of countries with people who talk to trump deputies with possible interest in joining the trump organization international empire

i'm guessing so long no one could be expected to remember a fraction
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 29 16:13:44
"So now the press can go scrambling around trying to find out what that favor was"

doubt it... more likely Trump lying as usual... he hired & kept dirtbag Cohen for 12 years as Cohen was a dirtbag & did his dirty work
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Nov 29 16:19:03

hood, are you saying that everyone that runs for President must give up their livelihood the day they file the papers of intent?


Is that what you are saying?

werewolf dictator
Member
Thu Nov 29 16:20:08
nyt

“The president said there was a proposal, it was discussed with Cohen, there was a nonbinding letter of intent and it didn’t go beyond that,” said one of Mr. Trump’s lawyers, Rudolph W. Giuliani.


“He has so many different versions of the same stories, so by definition he is a liar and we can’t trust him,” Mr. Giuliani said of Mr. Cohen. “He has lied, so how can we believe him?”

He added: “Cohen has just told us he’s a liar. Given the fact that he’s a liar, I can’t tell you what he’s lying about.”
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 29 16:22:01
a 'source close to the White House' said "Cohen is a rat" and "inmates hate rats"

more mob-talk from team Trump... plus a threat to Cohen & anyone else thinking of talking
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 29 16:24:41
Giuliani = proven liar
Trump = most proven liar of all time
patom
Member
Thu Nov 29 17:45:16
How many people that have been hired or closely associated with Trump, been highly touted by Trump. Are instantly called inferior, lying, poor character, etc. etc. by Trump as soon as they waver from complete adulation of Trump.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 29 21:23:12
circa July 2016

Norah O'Donnell: "So to be clear, Mr. Trump has no financial relationships with any Russian oligarchs?"

Manafort: "That-that's what he said-I-I-that's what I said-that's obviously what the-our position is."


is even worse listening to it:
http://youtu.be/923SiDdLSic?t=118
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 29 21:42:15
sort of a reverse of how all who leave the cult become weak lying losers... spot his favorite compliment... & applied frequently to people & things he's probably never even heard of as long as they are praising him:

"
I am pleased to announce that I intend to nominate highly respected Admiral Ronny L. Jackson, MD,...

Highly respected author, Christopher Bedford, just came out with book... <about Trump obviously>

My highly respected nominee for CIA Director, Gina Haspel...

A highly respected Federal judge today stated that the “Trump Administration gets great credit” for reuniting illegal families...

Matthew G. Whitaker is a highly respected former U.S. Attorney from Iowa...

Wow! Honored to be chosen by the highly respected + accurate Washington & Lee Mock Convention...

Wow, the highly respected Governor of Iowa just stated that "Ted Cruz must be defeated."...

Highly respected Constitutional law professor Mary Brigid McManamon has just stated, "Ted Cruz is not eligible to be President."...

Highly respected PUBLIC POLICY POLLING (PPP) just announced that I am number one in IOWA...

The Economist Poll, one of the most highly respected, was just released. Wow, wait until the media digests these numbers - won't be happy!

Great news! Just out--the highly respected USA Today/Suffolk University Poll...

Highly respected Golf Odyssey - awarded Trump Doral Blue Monster with best redesign

Interesting article from highly respected Wayne Allyn Root <about Trump obviously>

The big and highly respected Cooley LLP is handling the Bill Maher case for me

Highly respected economist @Larry_Kudlow is a big fan of my tax plan

Hope you enjoy the story in the highly respected Real Estate Weekly <about Trump obviously>
"

i left out many...
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Nov 30 07:37:25

"Thu Nov 29 13:55:43

Trump was allowed to run his business right up until the time he was sworn in on Jan 20, 1918."

hood
Member
Fri Nov 30 07:46:30
Yes, we know that you're an idiot, hot rod. No need to repeat yourself.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Nov 30 08:09:15

When are you going to answer my question?

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Nov 30 08:13:59

"Thu Nov 29 16:19:03

hood, are you saying that everyone that runs for President must give up their livelihood the day they file the papers of intent?


Is that what you are saying?"

hood
Member
Fri Nov 30 08:15:44
Your question is retarded, not worth answering. That you haven't recognized why you're an abject idiot is both amusing and depressing.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Nov 30 08:22:09

No, it is not retarded. It proves that you are wrong and you just do not have the guts to admit it.

You are nothing but a little pussy afraid of your own shadow.


You really have no right to comment on anything until you know the difference between the truth and a lie.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Nov 30 08:29:29

Fucking coward tells big fat lies and then goes and hides under the porch.

Cherub Cow
Member
Fri Nov 30 08:30:26
I can’t believe Trump has been the U.S. president for 100 years... seems like just 2... perception can be so fleeting sometimes
hood
Member
Fri Nov 30 08:35:02
You ruined it :(
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Nov 30 09:14:52
He never would have figured it out. Only 50/50 chance he'll get it now.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Nov 30 09:50:16

I have it all figured out. hood said that Trump had no right to run his business while being a nominee for president.

He clearly stated that Trump could have no say in his business while being a nominee.


That is a bald face lie and hood does not have the guts to admit his error.

hood
Member
Fri Nov 30 09:53:47
Ok, good play cc. Worth it. And good called shot by woo.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Nov 30 09:54:09

Show me where he is saying anything different.


"Hot Rod
Revved Up Thu Nov 29 13:55:43

Trump was allowed to run his business right up until the time he was sworn in on Jan 20, 1918.



hood
Member Thu Nov 29 14:08:12
^ so much stupid."



I made a positive truthful statement and he called me stupid.


I can only tale that as he disagrees with my statement which is indeed a fact.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Nov 30 09:55:08
*-take
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Nov 30 09:58:12

So, that makes two stupids.

hood
Member
Fri Nov 30 10:02:03
I don't think there's an appropriate analogy to the hole you're digging. By all means, keep going. You might find China in there.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Nov 30 10:07:38

OK, if you are not a liar explain yourself.


Just exactly what is your point? Forum etiquette requires you to explain.


"hood
Member Thu Nov 29 14:08:12
^ so much stupid."


That could mean a lot of things, including what I said it means.

Rugian
Member
Fri Nov 30 10:19:06
Guys, I dont know if this is the appropriate place to post this, but I've been deathly ill from a bad case of the flu recently. Seriously, my respitory system is completely shot right now. Im thinking it might be related to that strain that's been going crazy in Spain lately. Just wanted to give everyone an FYI in case I stop posting for a while.
hood
Member
Fri Nov 30 10:22:26
Rugian's PC is about to be sold at a garage sale, eh?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Nov 30 10:49:28

So says the pussy that hides under the porch rather than admit that he is wrong.



Rugian, get well soon.

You might call your doctor and ask if he needs to see you on this. Some cases of flu can be really serious.

Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Nov 30 11:45:10
Sorry, 50/50 was probably overly optimistic. This thread definitely needs to be archived.
werewolf dictator
Member
Fri Nov 30 11:50:41
Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump

Oh, I get it! I am a very good developer, happily living my life, when I see our Country going in the wrong direction (to put it mildly). Against all odds, I decide to run for President & continue to run my business-very legal & very cool, talked about it on the campaign trail...
....Lightly looked at doing a building somewhere in Russia. Put up zero money, zero guarantees and didn’t do the project. Witch Hunt!


like cincinnatus from the plow.. trump abandoned his business to serve his country.. where just for starters he singlehandedly defeats isis the kaiser and the habsburg emperor.. and this is treatment he gets in return from ungrateful nation
Paramount
Member
Fri Nov 30 13:53:01
Rugian,
”I've been deathly ill from a bad case of the flu recently. Seriously, my respitory system is completely shot right now. Im thinking it might be related to that strain that's been going crazy in Spain lately.”


You think you’ve got the Spanish flu? Man that sucks. RIP.

Maybe an illegal immigrant was coughing nearby you, and then you inhaled his shit.
RugianLovesTheCock
Member
Fri Nov 30 14:08:15
Aids from all the cock lovin
Rugian
Member
Fri Nov 30 21:19:58
Sir, my love of the cock had absolutely nothing to do with this.



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