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Dukhat
Member
Fri Nov 30 23:55:47
The last good Republican president. Symbolic of the death of the greatest generation; we need their wisdom more than ever.
McKobb
Member
Fri Nov 30 23:59:57
RIP
pillz
Member
Sat Dec 01 00:12:16
And cuckhat is back to being a cuckservative
obaminated
Member
Sat Dec 01 00:22:07
What did you like about H. Bush, cuckhat?
werewolf dictator
Member
Sat Dec 01 00:56:59
i could say good things about him and nothing really horrible

rip
Capitalist
Member
Sat Dec 01 03:19:27
Just a dead communist who raised the taxes.
patom
Member
Sat Dec 01 05:23:07
RIP.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Dec 01 06:46:32

R.I.P. You done good.



Rugian
Member
Sat Dec 01 09:00:38
A swamp creature who was linked to Operation Condor as head of the CIA and Iran-Contra as vice president, before going on to a disastrous four years of raising taxes, elevating that leftie fuck Souter to the Supreme Court, letting millions of wetbacks enter the country, establishing NAFTA, and failing to advance even a single piece of conservative legislation. The GOP is better off for purging such weak-willed RINOs like him. BIH
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Dec 01 09:39:39

Maybe he didn't do so good after all.

Paramount
Member
Sat Dec 01 09:40:16
I was thinking about saying rip in this thread but then I thought why? What has he ever done for me? Why should I should say rip to him? Would anyone in his family ever say rip to me if I died? I don’t think so.
Paramount
Member
Sat Dec 01 09:41:49
”four years of raising taxes, elevating that leftie fuck Souter to the Supreme Court, letting millions of wetbacks enter the country”

It sounds like he was a leftist? Maybe he did some good after all.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Dec 01 11:01:52
he was an enemy of Trump therefore a decent man

plus didn't have the aura of stupidity that his son has
Rugian
Member
Sat Dec 01 11:20:06
His son failed to vote for GEOTUS, so I agree with you on the stupidity part.

Although it is telling how you seem to prioritize the ability to competently recite a teleprompter above all other qualities.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Dec 01 11:26:09
he could sound like a mature adult without a teleprompter

unlike Trump

should be a pretty basic requirement for the presidency

this is supposedly a statement from Trump on Bush
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtTw7WFVsAEeKso.jpg
you could imagine Obama saying words like this without help (although admittedly most anyone would want help for an official statement), however you can't imagine Trump saying or writing any of it

i find it offensive his name is even on it...
Paramount
Member
Sat Dec 01 11:33:24
You can tell that Trump didn’t write that letter. There is no criticism of Bush and there is no self homage in it. Also, the letter does not finish with MAGA.

I doubt Trump has even seen this letter.
Forwyn
Member
Sat Dec 01 11:50:13
"you could imagine Obama saying words like this without help"

No I couldn't, because I remember Obama stuttering like a retard whenever his teleprompter went out.
Rugian
Member
Sat Dec 01 11:53:36
Forwyn beat me to it. To answer you, no I cant imagine it, because 90% of his public persona was shaped by the interns writing his scripts.

Bullshit said in a stately manner is still bullshit. I dont give points for it.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Dec 01 12:07:29
you aren't paying very close attention if you think Obama & Trump demonstrate similar levels of intelligence, knowledge &/or maturity when speaking without prompter


also i'll alter my earlier comment about "W" to 'aura of averageness'... but i don't think an average person should be president. So "W" wasn't stupid relative to who you might find in a bar in Texas, just stupid relative to my expectations for the office.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Dec 01 12:13:18
A) “’Thousand points of light,’ I never quite got that one. What the hell is that? Has anyone ever figured that one out? It was put out by a Republican, wasn’t it?”

B) "President Bush inspired generations of his fellow Americans to public service -- to be, in his words, 'a thousand points of light' illuminating the greatness, hope, and opportunity of America to the world"

both attributed to Trump... yeah, right
TJ
Member
Sat Dec 01 12:15:05
He flew 58 missions in the second world war and had to ditch a crippled plane on his last over the Pacific. Because of his heroic war effort and long lasting marriage he deserves a R.I.P. from me.

http://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.rXombolifyI_PGgRJXgz_QHaFK
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Dec 01 14:59:59

paramounted - I was thinking about saying rip in this thread but then I thought why? What has he ever done for me? Why should I should say rip to him? Would anyone in his family ever say rip to me if I died? I don’t think so.


Probably because he knew you were a complete and total ass hole too.

McKobb
Member
Sat Dec 01 15:05:23
Unlike some in public office he put his life on the line for his country.
Dukhat
Member
Sat Dec 01 15:11:21
Forwyn and Rugian having to hijack this thread with their ignorance and hatred. Disagree as you will with Obama’s policies, he was still clearly a very intelligent person and a good speaker.

Too much time in cuckservative echo chambers. Hopefully you all kill yourselves in the interests of evolution.
obaminated
Member
Sat Dec 01 15:58:56
eh, your wife still polishes Montel's cock, so, forwyn and rugian are light years cooler than you.
obaminated
Member
Sat Dec 01 15:59:14
ex-wife*
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Dec 01 16:00:06

tw - he was an enemy of Trump therefore a decent man


He had his faults, he became friends with Bill Clinton and he is a total piece of shit.


BTW, I do not believe the Obamas have even sent condolences yet. Hell, not even sure about the Clintons either.


Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Dec 01 16:15:39

BTW, Did you know that when President Trump heard the news he contacted The White House from Argentina and ordered The Flag to be flown at half-staff?


BTW, did you know that President Trump has ordered or will order one of The Presidential Jets, after President George H.W. Bush has lain in state, to fly the remains to Texas?

Would not surprise me if he told the pilots to use 'Air Force one' as its designation.

Even Trump may not be allowed to do that, but it would not surprise me.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Dec 01 16:59:52
"BTW, I do not believe the Obamas have even sent condolences yet"

of course you don't believe it... you decide your own reality just like Trump...

Obama tweeted a statement 17 hours ago around the same time Trump did (or more accurately, someone did on Trump's behalf... Trump didn't write it & wouldn't know how to tweet it out)
plus who knows what calls Obama has made, i'm not even going to try to check as who cares


also if you think ANYTHING done to show respect was Trump's idea, you are wrong... unless he was thinking 'this will make me look good'
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Dec 01 17:32:13

Just checking: Yep, you still need psychiatric help because of your chronic lying.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Dec 02 15:29:29

Yes, it will be designated Air Force One while President Bush is aboard.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Dec 02 15:56:55

Oops, I guess Trump was corrected.

Not even he can designate his Aircraft as Air Force One for anyone else.


The flights call letters will be,

Special Air Mission 41.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Dec 02 16:00:31
Eisenhower's proclamation March 1, 1954:
"The flag should fly at half-staff for 30 days at all federal buildings, grounds, and naval
vessels throughout the United States and its territories and possessions after the death
of the president or a former president."

Trump is not coming up with this shit

plus he's never demonstrated genuine respect for anyone
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Dec 02 17:39:12

You sir,

are full of crap and you don't even know it.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Dec 02 17:59:27
Eisenhower proclamation on a 1990s style website
http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/more/proc3044.htm

people have also stupidly given Trump credit for some holidays & 'yadda yadda awareness' months as he tweets out when he signs the proclamations, even though every president reissues the proclamations
kargen
Member
Sun Dec 02 19:14:46
tumbleweed are you really so dense you don't know what the thousand points of light is all about or are you just fucking with people?

Really hope it is the latter.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Dec 02 21:18:46

tw, I don't doubt you about Ike. Sounds like him.

I just know that you are brain fucked when it comes to Trump. He is nothing like you think he is and much more than I think he is.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Dec 03 01:12:14
@kargen: the only things i posted w/ "thousand points of light" were a Trump quote (A)... and a supposed 'from Trump' statement (B) that only an idiot would think is 'from Trump'

i assume you are referring to (A), thus declaring the real Trump an idiot


@HR: he is exactly like i think he is, you are the one who is fooled
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Dec 03 14:51:58

here's H.W. Bush blasting Trump's character in 1979

http://twitter.com/FaceTheNation/status/1068931589030195200
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Dec 03 15:11:59

Looks to me like he is describing President Trump to a T.


Depends on what you call moral.


tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Dec 03 15:33:22
Trump is amoral or immoral regarding all issues ever
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Dec 03 18:10:15

You have no idea what a morality is.

I would show you one, but you would never read it.

werewolf dictator
Member
Mon Dec 03 21:28:26
if it wasn't for trump past fights with jeb and 'w' then i think ghwb and the donald would have enjoyed common interests and spending time together..


..grabbing young women's intimate parts since they're famous and they let them

..comparing tough-on-crime willie horton campaign vs illegal mexican rapists border control

..talking about old baseball heroics and golf

..debating which is more serious type "big lies".. babies taken off incubators and satelite photos of invasion force massing on saudi border.. or size of inauguration crowd and finland forest raking policy type lies

..hatreds of rachel maddow and similar in media

..why all the near identical kompromat on bush coerced "chicken kiev" speech about babi yar and unwillingness to support any anti-russian ukrainian uprisings of "suicidal nationalism based up on ethnic hatred".. and blackmail about not expanding nato east and wanting end of nuclear armed cold war
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Dec 03 21:47:49
maybe HW tampered with witnesses during W's extensive criminal youth... just like Trump is tampering with witnesses to cover for his own whole life of criminal conduct
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Dec 03 21:48:39

The Bushs' never stopped to think that Donald is new to politics.

He really did not know what is apropos and so he just went for the convenient.


tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Dec 03 22:04:01
what specifically of his continuous inappropriate & unacceptable behavior since descending the escalator til now are you blaming on his being new to politics?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Dec 04 03:40:38

The way he gets things done like getting elected and keeping his campaign promises.

I just consider that acceptable behavior where you don't because you are so squeaky clean and perfect.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Dec 04 03:40:42

The way he gets things done like getting elected and keeping his campaign promises.

I just consider that acceptable behavior where you don't because you are so squeaky clean and perfect.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Dec 04 08:21:10

tumbleweed, did your MSNBC report that President Trump found a way to pay tribute to President Bush without disturbing the family?

He and Melania visited the rotunda last night.

He saluted Bush while Melania held her hand over her heart. Then they each said a quiet prayer and they left.


He showed a lot of class there.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Dec 04 08:22:14

tumbleweed, did your MSNBC report that President Trump found a way to pay tribute to President Bush without disturbing the family?

He and Melania visited the rotunda last night.

He saluted Bush while Melania held her hand over her heart. Then they each said a quiet prayer and they left.


He showed a lot of class there.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 04 12:44:41
i don't watch MSBNC... and you sure give credit to Trump for tiny things

walking up to a casket & staying silent for almost a minute isn't that tricky... plus he fidgeted the whole time... the odds he said a prayer is zero
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 04 12:50:43
he's been pandering for support ever since getting blasted in the midterms:

his entirely uncharacteristic backtracking on insults to praise people, including ones he accused of crimes (shows you how much respect he has for law & order)... the election lady in florida he accused of fraud, the FL governor candidate he called a thief, & the GA governor candidate he called unfit (those 3 all black too, possibly not coincidence)

now he's trying to win favor of R's who liked Bush but hate him

fraud con-man to the core
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Dec 04 13:18:52

"walking up to a casket & staying silent for almost a minute isn't that tricky..."


Not the point.

He was considerate of the family by going at night after even after being neglected in the earlier services.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Dec 04 13:20:19
Scratch that first after.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Dec 04 13:54:38
or maybe he went when he would only have to spend 1 minute instead of a long time... sitting & listening to people describe a man far superior to himself in every way

or he was told everyone there hated him, so to have his photo op when no one else around

Trump is not considerate of others... he is 100% selfish.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Dec 04 15:37:12

Trump is hugely considerate of folks he likes and respects.


President Trump has just entered The Blair House to meet with the Bushs' as I type this.

swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Wed Dec 05 12:02:42

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Every VP since 1977 is at President Bush’s funeral, except one. Mondale, Quayle, Gore, Cheney, Biden, and Pence are there. The only one missing is President Reagan’s VP, George HW Bush.


8:15 AM - 5 Dec 2018
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 05 12:24:30
i see people are replying w/ the Brad Pitt "What's in the box" gif :p
obaminated
Member
Wed Dec 05 12:24:39
Great ceremony.
Forwyn
Member
Wed Dec 05 12:40:37
Avengers trailer reportedly pushed back to Friday because of this memorial. Fuckers
so what
Member
Wed Dec 05 12:58:37
werewolf, you forget tampering with evidence to urge the lackluster American people to support the war against Iraq.

The incubator babies fake news story that saw a concerted effort in promoting the story to the American people by the government and the establishment media and even Amnesty International.


Secret government cables were leaked to support the story. And HW Bush was an old CIA director.

Rugian
Member
Wed Dec 05 13:32:51
We Over-Honor Our Presidents

By CHARLES C. W. COOKE
December 4, 2018 10:31 AM

It is in no way to insult George H. W. Bush — or any other president, for that matter — to ask whether the retooling of their calendars is an appropriate way for the people of a republic to respond to the death of an elected representative. Tomorrow, the press reports, is to be a “day of mourning” — a day on which the stock market will be closed, on which the federal government will shut down, on which the House of Representatives will begin a week-long break, on which various universities will cancel classes, on which the Postal Service will halt deliveries, on which the Supreme Court will adjourn, and on which major American newspapers will postpone events that they had previously planned to hold. Across the U.S., flags will be flown at half-staff for a month.

Why? Irrespective of whether he was a great man or a poor one, George H. W. Bush was a public employee. He was not a king. He was not a pope. He did not found or save or design the republic. To shut down our civil society for a day in order to mark his peaceful passing is to invert the appropriate relationship between the citizen and the state, and to take yet another step toward the fetishization of an executive branch whose role is supposed to be more bureaucratic than spiritual, but that has come of late to resemble Caesar more than to resemble Coolidge.

http://www...over-honor-our-presidents/amp/
obaminated
Member
Wed Dec 05 15:00:50
traitors, all of you.
werewolf dictator
Member
Wed Dec 05 15:15:14
persian gulf war was unnecessary.. saddam would have withdrawn peacefully if allowed

ghwb made clear he wasn't going to let that happen.. he was insistent on punitive war for some reason i don't think ever has been clear.. maybe precedent for new world order vision.. or proof american military was great again and to end vietnam demoralization.. maybe even more cynically to get victory laurels and boost reelection chances

from story i just linked.. "I saw Omar Abd el-Rahman.. “How did you allow the organization to target a soldier protecting a bank in Asyout? He’s just an employee obeying his employer.” He replied that this soldier was supporting a takfirist government and therefore he deserved the same punishment it was receiving."
obaminated
Member
Wed Dec 05 15:27:59
WW2 was unnecessary, all we had to do was give Hitler and the Japs what they wanted.
werewolf dictator
Member
Wed Dec 05 15:34:46
if saddam was like hitler then hitler wasn't removed from power with that battle

"So like… it’s like a proposal for surrender… a proposal for surrender as follows. “You surrender or we bomb you while you sit there, but of course if you get up to leave we will bomb you while you are walking away.”. Is that a good policy? See that’s almost Nietzschean, isn’t it? Surrender, but don’t move. Of course, if you don’t move, you won’t have surrendered, so we’ll have to bomb you, but if you move we won’t be sure you have surrendered so we’ll have to bomb you. So surrender, but we’ll bomb you is kind of a policy designed to do what? Bomb people! They can go, “Don’t…”, but it won’t help, because they will have to be either still or moving, or some condition in between."
werewolf dictator
Member
Wed Dec 05 15:52:37
in case of doubt of this seldom mentioned aspect.. pat lang of dia memory of briefing ghwb

http://tur...ahmin-through-and-through.html

"He asked me what the Iraqis, then occupying Kuwait were likely to do. He understood that I had spent quite a lot of time in Kuwait and Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War. I told him that Saddam had been allowed to think that we would not defend Kuwait by the wavering and ambiguous statements made before the Iraqi invasion.

"I told him that if he made it clear in an address that occupation of Kuwait meant an all out US military effort to drive them out of the country and that we would not necessarily stop at the border between Iraq and Kuwait they would withdraw because they knew they could not fight the US successfully.

"His response was that he did not want them to withdraw because they must be punished for aggression."


lang still is fan of ghwb so i don't think he's necessarily even being critical
Forwyn
Member
Wed Dec 05 15:57:43
Annex Iran for no reason at all, no one bats an eye - even give them chemical precursors and GEOINT.

Annex Kuwait for slant drilling, everyone loses their minds.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Dec 05 21:20:31


Our first four Presidents were our greatest.


tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Dec 06 21:48:20
here's the bible-loving super-christian failing at church customs again... behaving like that terrorist 2 rows behind him
(0:32-0:37)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GggdLB0pxw&t=32

yeah petty :p... but this is the total fraud who repeatedly walked on stages in jesus country w/ a bible in hand, proclaiming it by far his favorite book... one of his top 10 most offensive acts perhaps
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Dec 06 23:11:33

Maybe he just didn't want to.

werewolf dictator
Member
Thu Dec 06 23:38:53
socrates didn't believe in literal myth of metals either

he did live life of poverty.. and cynic like nietzsche figured he was terrible monster.. could be

[originally cynics was people who lived on streets like dogs attacking people and thought a rich spoiled brat like plato really didn't get it]

hillary is such a devout christian she can't figure out whether to be minister [and presumably give all her money away and live like lilly of field].. or to give speeches to wall street.. kind of historically normal for apparent top guardians of christianity from what i see

gated communities of elite leftists abound

get out lantern and look for "honest" human.. because it's mostly all liars and pharisees and hypocrites from what i can see


the mixture of blatant lies and blatant honesty from trump [and screwing up everyone's narratives] looks as heroic as anything in "the matrix" to me [trump even fights the agents]
werewolf dictator
Member
Thu Dec 06 23:44:58
[if reality of trump is more "total recall" then that was good philip k dick movie too]
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Dec 07 01:39:47
he's the governor from Blazing Saddles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2beJKmdbgs
...^has even more parallels than i was thinking
patom
Member
Fri Dec 07 07:04:47
Watched the pall bearers take the casket from the hearse at the cathedral in DC. I would bet that 41 would have been telling someone to give those guys a break. It seemed like it took 10 min. just to carry him up the steps and into the vestibule of the church. Then they stood there holding the casket while the Bush family went up the center aisle and were seated. Then it seemed like half the Holy Joe's within a 50 mile radius of DC marched up the aisle. Then they pall bearers were allowed to make the slow march up the aisle.
This whole process must have taken a half hour with them guys holding that casket in the air.

I don't know about any of you but I have been a pall bearer a couple of times and those caskets with a body inside aren't light.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Dec 07 07:24:01

Yes, but our military is getting stronger again.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Dec 07 11:22:22
^against the will of Trump

"The U.S. spent 716 Billion Dollars this year. Crazy!"
(4 days ago)
TJ
Member
Fri Dec 07 11:41:47
Tom:

"I would bet that 41 would have been telling someone to give those guys a break."

I doubt it since he most likely planned his entire funeral step by step. A quality casket without a body can weigh up to 400 pounds, you think he had one? Every pallbearer was specifically sized and in superb condition.

I was looking for fatigue in any of them and saw none. They completed the mission without fault.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Dec 07 11:55:52
Trump's body should be taken via front loader to the border & dumped there to eternally keep watch... i'm sure it'd be an honor for him
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