Utopia Talk / Politics / Genocide Pt 2

Forwyn Member	Thu Dec 13 21:02:34 @delude: Indeed, "deliberate" and "intent" counter hood's points, because neither are present in Hot Rod's meme post. "Deliberate" and "intent" do not contradict each other. You would have to be a retard to infer this. I immediately agreed that they are synonyms. That should have been your first clue, before you doubled down on retardation. You could have argued about whether or not those qualifiers are indeed in Hot Rod's post, but instead you angled to tell me what I meant by my own post. rofl. retard.
delude Member	Thu Dec 13 21:04:54 You claimed that hood's own post contradicted. You were wrong and you continued to be retarded about it. In other words, it is much ado about nothing in a vain attempt to get the last word, yet self-pwned yourself in a series of posts. I suspect that you really want people to think you're retarded and as slow as Hot Rod. Good job.
Forwyn Member	Thu Dec 13 21:07:09 Yes, I said that hood's definitions contradicted him, not that the definitions contradicted each other. Rofl. Retard.
delude Member	Thu Dec 13 21:07:52 "Your own posted definitions contradict you, so perhaps an excuse for delusion. " -forwyn the retard You claim contradiction, then you continue to elaborate on the non-existence. Again, good job retard.
delude Member	Thu Dec 13 21:10:11 The problem is retard. You failed to provide the contradiction, other than highlighting the content you provided, and then specify the culprits of "deliberate" and "intent." So what is your intention from that other than saying those are the things you have issue with. So great you want to argue semantics and claim that hood contradicted himself, yet not provide the evidence for it. Indeed the train you previously referred has only one passenger and it is forwyn. Doing great.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Dec 13 21:22:39 Well, there is one spam thread that held up pretty well.
hood Member	Thu Dec 13 21:39:41 Forwyn is now going to attempt to suggest that hot rod didn't deliberately intend to have 1,000,000,000 muslim people die as a result of his statements. Or does the lobotomy formerly known as forwyn think that the definition of genocide requires the perpetrator to intend specifically genocide (and not just the significant portion of death or conditions leading to severe degradation of the population)?
Forwyn Member	Thu Dec 13 21:40:51 "you continue to elaborate on the non-existence." No. I maintain that the operative words contradict hood's points. Your problem is that you inferred the entirely wrong contradiction, and instead of realizing it when I immediately agreed that the two words are essentially the same, you doubled down and tried to tell me I meant something entirely different. The problem is retard. For all of the shit I give hood, he is far more intelligent than you, and would not continue to argue a straw man after being corrected, then claim that it's semantics. Further, I don't typically need to fill my comments with contextual clues for him not to infer something completely retarded. But since that is not true for you, here it is: It has been a years-long meme that Hot Rod wants to enact genocide against Muslims - a billion of them! Imagine my surprise when I read the comment for myself, and he doesn't suggest targeting Muslims simply for practicing their religion. Instead, he lays out criterion that would qualify: - Support of actual genocide - that is, refusal to adhere to Islam (a religious belief, a qualifier under most definitions of genocide) - Support of death for apostasy - Support of death for blasphemy None of these beliefs are foundational for Islam. Many hundreds of millions of Muslims are able to freely practice their religion without simultaneously believing any of the aforementioned criterion. Thus, listed definitions that require deliberate/intentional targeting of ethnic/racial/religious groups do not apply. One could probably pretty accurately infer that Hot Rod's criterion would also apply to Hindus that slaughter apostates, or Sikhs that slaughter non-Sikhs simply for being non-Sikhs, or Catholics who shoot up newspaper HQs for blasphemy against the Pope.
hood Member	Thu Dec 13 21:51:27 "None of these beliefs are foundational for Islam. Many hundreds of millions of Muslims are able to freely practice their religion without simultaneously believing any of the aforementioned criterion." This is how retarded forwyn is. As already stated, qualifying specific attributes for your targeted group does not negate the genocidal factor.
Forwyn Member	Thu Dec 13 22:06:18 None of the beliefs are foundational to an ethnic, racial, political, cultural, or national demographic. A Thanos snap that targeted humans with one or more of the listed beliefs would not be an Islamic genocide simply because Muslims disproportionately believe one or more of those.
hood Member	Thu Dec 13 22:12:51 "None of the beliefs are foundational to an ethnic, racial, political, cultural, or national demographic." Has literally fuck-all to do with anything. Hot Rod very specifically called for the death of muslims. He then defined a specific group of muslims and concluded that the population of muslims he described would come out to 1 billion muslims. He didn't say he wanted people of those beliefs to be killed, regardless of religious affiliation; he said muslims. He wanted to kill specifically and only muslims. Those are his words. "A Thanos snap that targeted humans with one or more of the listed beliefs would not be an Islamic genocide simply because Muslims disproportionately believe one or more of those." No, it wouldn't. But a Thanos snap targeting "people who want infidels to die" (where infidels is defined as people who share different beliefs regardless of their own affiliation) is not what retard rod proposed. He proposed the killing of ... wait for it ... muslims! with those beliefs. Not just anyone. Specifically muslims. It seems you're indeed remarkably retarded.
Forwyn Member	Thu Dec 13 22:26:35 "He proposed the killing of ... wait for it ... muslims!" Sure. The conversation was about Muslims. Perhaps the applicable beliefs would approach more like two billion when including non-Muslims.
hood Member	Thu Dec 13 22:29:39 ^ also completely unrelated to the genocidal comment made by hot rod.
Forwyn Member	Thu Dec 13 22:37:42 Not really. Though HR specifically mentioned Muslims, in a conversation about Muslims, his criterion are not exclusive to or a central tenet of Islam. All it takes is HR saying, "Yeah, non-Muslims who believe that are also included", and it's not a genocide. Even without that, you'll have a tough time pushing the genocide label when so many hundreds of millions of Muslims are spared simply because their belief system includes more of minding their own business.
hood Member	Thu Dec 13 23:28:32 I'm amazed at just how stubbornly illiterate you are.
Delude Member	Fri Dec 14 04:09:10 "The problem is retard. For all of the shit I give hood, he is far more intelligent than you, and would not continue to argue a straw man after being corrected, then claim that it's semantics. Further, I don't typically need to fill my comments with contextual clues for him not to infer something completely retarded." You've posted a wall of text and still managed to display HR level's of competencies. You claim strawman, yet this is clearly projection as you spiral downward arguing semantics. Which clearly is what you are doing. Despite the contrary. You are specifically focusing on certain terms to demonstrate hood has contradicted himself. In no way in the course of the previous thread and this current one had he done that relating to the topic of genocide as it had its criterion to show what would be constituted as such. Nonetheless your diatribe and desperation and strive to be right continues and here is the thing, you're still wrong. As you try to prove a nonexistent factor. Sure feel compelled to uplift yourself. Sure feel compelled to say the argument is strawman. But know this one of us seems to be illiterate or has poor comprehension and it doesn't appear to be the one with delude on the name. So I will stand by what had already been established that you are indeed retarded. I either blame it on your limitation in life or you are indeed HR's son.
delude Member	Fri Dec 14 04:37:10 "Imagine my surprise when I read the comment for myself, and he doesn't suggest targeting Muslims simply for practicing their religion." Also, yes, you indeed read the comment yourself and still manage to get it wrong. What HR said would in face fall under genocide. You are nitpicking specific statements by him to show that it isn't genocidal views. But it is. I am sure if I dissect every comment, like you typically do in debates to emphasize a point and take things out of context. You may, barely though, have a point. But that isn't it. HR has a history of saying certain groups should be killed off, again fitting the genocidal category. What he said was that he wanted muslims to be killed, despite if he gave his criterion for it. "whole or part" still exists and that is part of it. Do you need examples? http://www...ont-genocide/cases-of-genocide http://genocideeducation.org/resources/modern-era-genocides/ http://www.businessinsider.com/genocides-still-going-on-today-bosnia-2017-11#the-nuer-and-other-ethnic-groups-in-south-sudan-2 I am sure the son of HR will go out of his way to nitpick and claim none of this would fit under genocide. Of course the son of HR is the same person being like his dad and twist and turn saying that "only certain group of said group" is targeted and "...that would mean it wouldn't be called a genocide." You've been called illiterate and you've been called retarded and it merits as such.
delude Member	Fri Dec 14 04:51:34 And since it is fun exploiting your connected genealogy to HR; :::Hot Rod Member Wed Dec 09 04:17:48 BTW, when this crap started I asked for a serious quote by me where I said a billion Muslims should die. If you think I was serious then I submit that in the back of your minds you think that it is possible that nearly one billion Muslims believe that all infidels should be killed. Otherwise, if you were engaged in an honest debate, you would be attacking me for making such an *obvious* exaggeration. ___________________________________________ then confirming he wasnt joking: Hot Rod Member Sun Aug 01 11:48:49 Here you go AH, not that truth or logic or the meaning of words has any effect on you. So there you have it. If my caculations are correct I want to get rid of less than one billion Muslims. That would leave in excess of 200 million Muslims to 300 million Muslims according to some and over 1/3 of the world wide Muslim population according to some others. Since the *MEANING* OF genocide is "The deliberate destruction of an entire race or nation." I obviously do not promote genocide. Which makes you one ogf the bigges fucking liars on the board because you keep accusing me of wanting to obliterate all of the Muslims based on that quote. Not to mention it makes you the biggest asshole on this forum.::: As posted in the previous thread by UPA, you can see the back and forth HR goes through attempting to defend and then justify his genocidal views. He said that people should have known he was only joking because it was an 'obvious exaggeration and that we should have known better' to 'yes they deserve to die and I hope they burn in hell' referencing a significant portion of a cultural, religious, group that approaches nearly one billion muslims or possibly more. The offspring of HR is surely going to retort a semantic argument and then continue debating context. *sips tea* Oh the anticipation of predictability.
delude Member	Fri Dec 14 04:58:25 Let's emphasize again for the son of HR; "If my caculations are correct I want to get rid of less than one billion Muslims. That would leave in excess of 200 million Muslims to 300 million Muslims according to some and over 1/3 of the world wide Muslim population according to some others." But I am sure the son of HR would say this isn't genocide...
delude Member	Fri Dec 14 05:05:49 Too much fun let's emphasize this part of father and son; Father HR: "Since the *MEANING* OF genocide is "The deliberate destruction of an entire race or nation." I obviously do not promote genocide. " Son of HR: "Thus, listed definitions that require deliberate/intentional targeting of ethnic/racial/religious groups do not apply." too easy.
Cold Rod Member	Fri Dec 14 06:01:51 Hold up, forwyn is hot rod's son? Did he molest you or did you manage to get away unscathed?
hood Member	Fri Dec 14 07:22:19 "Hold up, forwyn is hot rod's son?" The ultimate test is whether his name is David or something else.
Forwyn Member	Fri Dec 14 10:38:25 "You've posted a wall of text" As you post a wall of text that can be summarized as, "You're wrong because you're wrong but continue to want to be right." That's fine, walk away from the doubled-dowm retardation you displayed and instead try to play hood-B with quotes I've never seen to spice up the convo. We've been discussing a specific quote, and unlike you, I don't care enough about HR to google his quotes, much less save them as some do. But we can branch out, I'll have some free time later. We can ignore last night's retardation, it was Friday and you can blame it on booze. I won't complain.
hood Member	Fri Dec 14 10:53:19 "it was Friday" In what reality was yesterday Friday?
Rugian Member	Fri Dec 14 11:07:17 "In what reality was yesterday Friday?" Jewish Calendar Date When G.d created time, He first created night and then day. Therefore, a Jewish calendar date begins with the night beforehand. While a day in the secular calendar begins and ends at midnight, a Jewish day goes from nightfall to nightfall
Forwyn Member	Fri Dec 14 11:46:08 Dang, boy. Getting my days mixed up, I started a four day weekend.
hood Member	Fri Dec 14 11:46:27 Touche...
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