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Sam Adams
Member
Thu Dec 20 10:42:04
A few drones have been flying near gatwick airport. The sebs have mobilized their police and military, have been scouring the area for the alleged drones and their pilots(probably a laughing 16 yo), and are afraid to shoot down drones because "guns are dangerous" apparently not realizing bird shot stops being dangerous after a a short distance.

Meanwhile londons second busiest airport has been closed for a day.


Lol!!!!!!

Bahahahaha!

If only brits knew how to use a shotgun.
Sam Adams
Member
Thu Dec 20 10:47:19
The drones might be misidentified police helicopters that were called in to search for drones.

Lol.

This is hilarious. Sebs second busiest airport shut down during holiday peak for at least a day because someone might have seen a toy.
Paramount
Member
Thu Dec 20 11:06:20
Gatwick chief operating officer Chris Woodroofe said: "The police are looking for the operator and that is the way to disable the drone."

He said police had not wanted to shoot the devices down because of the risk from stray bullets.

He said it remained unsafe to reopen the airport after the drone had been spotted too close to the runway.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sussex-46623754

Why don’t they evacuate the area and deploy a sniper? No risk for a stray bullet to hit anyone.
Sam Adams
Member
Thu Dec 20 11:17:37
Birdshot loses its energy rapidly. Lol at soyboys and sebs trying to figure out how to use a gun.
murder
Member
Thu Dec 20 11:29:48

"Birdshot loses its energy rapidly."

Yeah but that's why it wouldn't be very effective. It would have to be a low flying drone at short distance.

Sam Adams
Member
Thu Dec 20 11:36:35
There is a range of birdshot sizes. Use turkey shot with a thick choke. Enough to punch out large birds at modest range, not enough to damage anything by the time it comes back down.
TJ
Member
Thu Dec 20 12:09:24
Aerial toy drone combat.
Seb
Member
Thu Dec 20 13:20:12
A done hitting a plane during take off or landing is pretty dangerous. The Li batteries explode in the jet engine. Much worse than a bird strike.

The drones are likely operating too high for bird shot.

Police are talking about rifles, and that indeed is somewhat dangerous when you have up to a hundred wide body jets on the apron.

The last thing they want to have to do is inspect every plane for possible damage and then do a foreign body check on the runway in the dark.


Remember the cause of this:

https://goo.gl/images/UkLLc7


There'd be no point in shooting the done down then.

You'd need to wait until morning.

They've called in the military signals guys.



Paramount
Member
Thu Dec 20 13:36:49
Maybe it is some environmental activists who wants to stop people from flying and save the planet. Or more likely, a false flag attack. Cuckservatives who are gonna blame it on environmental activists, to get attention and to make people aware of how airplanes are important for transportation.

Anyhoo. I hope the army kills someone.
Sam Adams
Member
Thu Dec 20 13:59:51

"A done hitting a plane during take off or landing is pretty dangerous. The Li batteries explode in the jet engine. Much worse than a bird strike. "

No.

"The drones are likely operating too high for bird shot. "

Maybe.


"You'd need to wait until morning. "

A full day of daylight has left the brits unsuccessful. Perhaps you will succeed in stoping the nefarious toy on day two? Gatwick has officially thrown in the towel on night 2.


Lol! Ive seen airports reopen after hurricanes and volcanoes faster than this!
Sam Adams
Member
Thu Dec 20 14:02:21
Might be anti noise nimbys
Sam Adams
Member
Thu Dec 20 14:05:23
Might not even be a drone. Lol that would be hilarious.
Paramount
Member
Thu Dec 20 14:33:59
Why don’t the airforce carpet bomb the areas around the airport. That should kill the drone operator and solve the problem.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Thu Dec 20 14:44:27
Well. What is the energy density of a goose? :)
Sam Adams
Member
Thu Dec 20 14:46:20
African or european?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Dec 20 15:44:08

"Aerial toy drone combat."


If only the Nazis had them.

Seb
Member
Thu Dec 20 18:42:38
Altitude is supposed to be over 100m
murder
Member
Thu Dec 20 18:51:00

This would be a great opportunity to test a laser weapon.

Seb
Member
Thu Dec 20 18:59:02
Might be what they've brought in. But probably aimed at catching the individual.

Lasers aren't really the answer when drones are cheap and disposable. You can't be firing high power lasers into a sky full of commercial jets.

But honestly, the ease some test with a done had taken out 15% of UK civil aviation capacity is worrying for no deal exit plans given we intend to fly medicines in.



Seb
Member
Thu Dec 20 19:00:01
Obviously, you now can because the airport's shut down. I mean in terms of sustainability, zapping the drone only to have the idiot do this again in a week is no solution.
Pillz
Member
Thu Dec 20 20:06:31
Drones are a reason to avoid brexit.

10/10 seb
TJ
Member
Thu Dec 20 20:23:09
http://www...0Whitepaper%203-22-17.pdf?dl=0
Seb
Member
Thu Dec 20 21:29:00
Pillz:

I'm sorry, where did I say that?
Sam Adams
Member
Thu Dec 20 23:50:19
http://i.redd.it/7mzcdbvnki521.jpg


Omg ahahahahahahaha


obaminated
Member
Thu Dec 20 23:56:23
hahahaahahahahaahahah
Sam Adams
Member
Fri Dec 21 10:50:20
"You can't be firing high power lasers into a sky full of commercial jets"

Well if you are competent you can... but... given what we have seen out if the uk... perhaps i agree that you should not.

Lol.
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Fri Dec 21 10:59:17
I have a very British solution for this is. Ban drones and the making and spreading of drone images. People who talk about drones on social media will face 30-90 days in jail. People who spread DIY instructions for drones, life sentence of course.
Sam Adams
Member
Fri Dec 21 13:19:06
More drone reports and rumors! Gatwick is again closed and another round of mass diversions including many heavy international flights. Another 100,000 or so pax canceled.

Ahahahahahahahahahahaha
Ahahahaha seb
Sam Adams
Member
Fri Dec 21 13:20:47
This is great. Whats left of the british empire brought to its knees by a kid with a toy.
Rugian
Member
Fri Dec 21 13:21:04
Fucking Russian drones.
Sam Adams
Member
Fri Dec 21 13:24:25
Ya drones are so getting banned in the UK over this. Drone memes too. Any prospective drone pilot shall prove industrial need, receive 6 years of instruction and diversity training.
Seb
Member
Fri Dec 21 14:28:32
Sam:

There is no definition of competence that includes shining 100kw IR lasers with basket ball sized beam widths into a sky crowded with aircraft.

It has the potential to blind people in fractions of a second.

This is why they only let you play with spreadsheets.

You are an idiot.
Sam Adams
Member
Fri Dec 21 15:04:40
Of course there is. Is there a plane in the direction where you are firing? No? Ok then fire.


Lol britian is permanently cucked.
Sam Adams
Member
Fri Dec 21 15:34:10
Look, if you have the radar and precise aiming ability to keep your laser on the same part of a drone, you have, by far, the ability to not shine it on a plane.

Duh.

Not to mention there are plenty of other effective anti drone technologies including other drones, comm jammers, trained eagles, shotguns, etc.
Sam Adams
Member
Fri Dec 21 15:46:59
Or you know, watching where the drone goes to recharge and arresting the owner.

Lol so simple even a british soyboy can do it?
Seb
Member
Fri Dec 21 16:12:41
Sam, even diffuse reflections from beams with that intensity will blind in seconds.

From clouds, from a hit on a drone, from a bird.

You seem to be supposing that these systems are manually operated with some guy checking that the beam path doesn't also intersect a plane. Ah. Bless.

In real life, these systems are not designed to "look past" a drone or an incoming munition to see what might be caught in the path - they rely on IFF systems for providing information about friendlies - if at all, and operate in environments where there isn't much risk of collateral damage (or accept such damage as acceptable).

None of this is true in an civil aviation setting in the suburbs of the largest city in Europe, that sits under one of the busiest areas of sky in Europe.

Duh.

"drone technologies including other drones, comm jammers, trained eagles, shotguns, etc."

As has already been pointed out, none of these would be deployable without closing the airspace/operation of the airport - so offers little advantage.

Given the police have successfully and regularly used these kinds of techniques to stop drones getting into prisons etc. the question you might want to be asking is not "why are these guys so stupid not to use it this time" but instead "what is different about this case?"

"Or you know, watching where the drone goes to recharge and arresting the owner."

That's what they've been trying to do - and has been done in the past with near instant success - but which is proving difficult in this case. Some of this is about altitude - it's operating above shotgun range. Some is probably about perimeter size - an airport is a very large space, and Gatwick is in a fairly urbanised environment with lots of large roads etc. and making a low level approach where radar won't pick them up and sudden pop up to >100m altitude fairly easy to effect.

Nevertheless, the difficulty in deploying previously effective approaches which makes me wonder a bit about the "trade craft" of the people doing this.

Given the high number of sightings over a long period of time, it is unlikely to be a single drone and it may be they are not recovering the drones.

Also note, these are being described as industry standard drones, not commercial standard. So larger and heavier than the handheld toys you get (which can't operate at KM ranges anyway).

All this points more to a novel form of environmental protest or some kind of economic "terrorism" being tested.


None of this is terribly difficult to research and understand. Duh.
Seb
Member
Fri Dec 21 16:51:35
Interesting.

The COO of Gatwick says he's been looking at antidrone tech for a year. There's no proven effective technology that's licensed for use in an airport.

And most effective soft kill methods have greatly reduced effect on bespoke or autonomous drones.
Sam Adams
Member
Fri Dec 21 17:51:16
"All this points more to a novel form of environmental protest or some kind of economic "terrorism" being tested."

Or scared soyboys seeing crows and police helicopters and calling them drones. = more police helicopter = more drone reports, thus continuing the soy cycle.

"As has already been pointed out, none of these would be deployable without closing the airspace/operation of the airport - so offers little advantage. "

You can most certainky shoot it with a shotgun without closing the airport if its in the right place and even if you did have to close the airport briefly, thats the difference between minutes and days.

Also no one is suggesting deploying or designing weapons without humans in the link.
Seb
Member
Fri Dec 21 18:40:33
Sam:

Step 1: Assert people are stupid.
Step 2: To prove assertion, assume people are stupid.
Step 3: bask in adulation of grateful.

You clearly spend far, far too much time around idiots to think this works here.

"if its in the right place"

If it was in the "right place"- in shot gun range of someone not standing on the runway - it wouldn't actually be a problem in the first place would it, given the plane is only traveling below 90 meters when it's over the runway.

If it's both a problem and in shotgun range, our shotgun armed man is standing on the runway close enough planes can't use it.

Duh.

So we have what, a line of guys with shotguns strung out along the length of the 3km of runway. So approximately 33 guys with shotguns waiting for the Drone to come in range. Which of course it doesn't need to do if the objective is to keep the airport closed because as long as the guys are there, no traffic can land.

Drone can hang out at a few hundred metres and wait for them to get bored and go home.

Yeah. Winning strategy you have there Sam. Pure genius.

You need snipers with high power rifles to shoot it down with a gun.

"Also no one is suggesting deploying or designing weapons without humans in the link."

Available hard kill systems used by the military don't have humans in the loop. CIWS systems were set to engage and do so autonomously. They are designed to intercept munitions with time of flight in detection envelope measured in single digit seconds and lower.

So no, there are no existing anti-drone laser systems that are suitable for drone zapping safe to use in the congested airspace over a large operating commercial airport, and clearing the skies to deploy one is still major disruption even if we did invest in a laser based CIWS that can track a traversing drone, it'll need to go through a lot of operational testing before pilots will be happy to fly planes in an environment where instantly blinding lasers can fry their vision on a moment's notice.

TJ
Member
Fri Dec 21 19:16:53
Drone catcher. The video is pretty awesome.

http://mas...on-drone-catcher/#C5n1Lx.h9GqL
Seb
Member
Fri Dec 21 19:24:30
TJ:

Looks like it works well static, but what about dynamic?

Find drone, get into proximity, chase it, and fire the net - drone dog-fighting in other words.

You are probably better off with the trained eagles.
TJ
Member
Fri Dec 21 20:25:07
Seb:

Reading the article concerned me on its predictability in pursuit. The 40 foot range for the net seemed inadequate. Speed and maneuverability is questionable.

The only problem I have using trained eagles is that the drone could possibly have explosive cargo attached.

I also read where places in Canada are using robotic falcon drones to frighten birds from runways.

The link below is a different method (same concept) used by Tokyo police.

http://mas...et-drone-catcher/#1seCUXBR98qD
Sam Adams
Member
Fri Dec 21 20:32:16
"CIWS systems were set to engage and do so autonomously"

Only when a human turns them on and tells them to. And any drone killer can be engineered in any way we want, it doesnt have to exactly copy some random old system.

Nothing you say is remotely correct anymore. You say lasers cant be used because humans cant control them(lolwut?), a toy drone (battery time minutes) will outlast soldiers, an airport that is closed for minutes to unleash something deadly is the same as an airport closed for days, and that britain isnt both completely pussified and retarded.

No wonder you have the same per capita income as alabama.
Seb
Member
Fri Dec 21 22:18:28
Sam:

"Only when a human turns them on and tells them to."

Or, to put it another way, the systems that exist do not have humans involved in determining valid targeting and firing decisions, and are not designed to not hit other objects that may be in the field of fire.


" And any drone killer can be engineered in any way we want, it doesnt have to exactly copy some random old system. "

Or, to put it another way, such systems do not presently exist and therefore cannot be used.


"Nothing you say is remotely correct anymore."

Or, to put it another way, everything I said is true and you have had to redefine your position to invoking freshly engineered systems you accept do not currently exist to solve a problem that is happening right now.


"toy drone (battery time minutes)"
As pointed out, twice, it's been described as an industrial grade - so not a hand held toy. More likely the substantially larger devices with longer battery life.

You are of course missing the point. If the soldiers are standing there for as long as the drone can stay in the area, then what has that achieved exactly? The airport remains closed for the same period of time as if the drone had been hovering over the runway. The drone can hang about three hundred metres above the runway moving erratically and the guys with the shotguns are pointless.

You need rifles if you want to shoot it down. Which in an urban setting isn't a great idea given you are unlikely to hit it, plus the need to then search the runway for metal fragments. And if drone boy has another drone, you've achieved diddly squat.

Also, what is it that makes you think it is a single drone?

UK per capita income is over twice Alabama's. Great math skills Sam.



Seb
Member
Fri Dec 21 22:20:23
A toy drone (i.e. retail handheld device) wouldn't have the range to operate from beyond the airport perimiter.
State Department
Member
Fri Dec 21 22:28:46
Use mini jergul-edition MANPADS.
Seb
Member
Fri Dec 21 22:39:40
They've arrested two guys.
Paramount
Member
Sat Dec 22 04:05:48
That’s good. The airport can now continue to pollute the athmosphere and kill the planet. The order is restored!
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Dec 22 04:35:29
Well obviously there is a market for Police/military Hunter Killer drones aka HKs (just to reference the Terminator future we are heading towards) designed to hunt and incapacitate rogue drones.
Seb
Member
Sat Dec 22 09:09:25
Nim:

Yup, but it turns out automated done dog fighting with low risk of collateral damage weapons is hard.
murder
Member
Sat Dec 22 10:27:19

"Lasers aren't really the answer when drones are cheap and disposable. You can't be firing high power lasers into a sky full of commercial jets."

So microwaves then?


Seb
Member
Sat Dec 22 10:44:31
Pretty much anything that screws with communications isn't a great idea in a sky full of navigating planes in a stack.

Could interfere with all sorts of systems.
Seb
Member
Sat Dec 22 10:48:45
Dropping a drone is easy enough. Doing so in an airport setting while maintaing safe operations is quite hard.

Hence the COOs point: he's been looking for a year into this but there's no system that's both effective *and* licensed.
Seb
Member
Sat Dec 22 10:53:11
Building trust here is hard.

The airport can take measures, but the airlines and pilots and passenger groups also need to be convinced it's safe.

At the moment Geo fencing works, but that relies on drones being built to recognise and act on the signal. Home made or hacked drones can ignore it.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Sat Dec 22 11:11:18
This is stupid, we are overthinking this with lasers and hunter killer drones. Do you guys remember a while back Iran hacked, hijacked and safely landed a US stealth drone? Just call them and ask for help :-)
TJ
Member
Sat Dec 22 11:39:10
The potential dangers should have been considered before allowing public production and sales. It doesn't take an enormous amount of thought to realize the extreme danger they present.

A drone has the potential to be far more dangerous than the automatic weapon so many wish was banned from private ownership.

They've detained a 45 year old man and a 54 year old woman who could receive life imprisonment.

jergul
large member
Sat Dec 22 16:13:00
TJ
How do you figure?

==========

It seems to me the best solution is the one used. Police footwork following up on technical analysis (radio signal tracking) to resolve the incredibly low amount of malicious drone activity.

An airport closed for a couple days. It might happen again in a few decades. So what?
TJ
Member
Sat Dec 22 16:53:06
jergul:

Not sure what you mean with the first question.

The malicious conduct thus far should be the least of concerns. Remote police disabling should have been considered in patent approval.
That is an opinion null and void at this point.

This is not a subject that I care to endlessly debate and I'm not about to place in print my creativity on possible drone usage toy or commercial. You can take your own mind on the ride. It is what it is now, so what and what if...
Seb
Member
Sat Dec 22 17:05:28
TJ:

Commercial drones do have these kinds of features. But you can download open source software and jail break the software. Which may have been done here.
TJ
Member
Sat Dec 22 17:15:47
Seb:

Clearly they've done something to solve this particular situation and it is probably what you've suggested, which took several days. Time could easily be of the essence as the saying goes. :)
Seb
Member
Sat Dec 22 18:53:55
TJ:

Not sure if you followed my point, but most commercial drones software is programmed to pick up certain signals and refuse to fly into areas where the signal originates. This is called geo-fencing.

The problem is this can be disabled by a moderately competent user (as could any backdoor to allow police to take over) or would not be present at all in a home made device.

Obviously, we need other strategies.

I do not share Jergul's confidence - these were two fairly amateurish individuals.

One can imagine a number of "little green men" using slightly more sophisticated drones (perhaps autonomous ones) to shut down commercial airports as part of a campaign of economic disruption.


I am particularly concerned as my country seems likely to enter a period where we will be very dependent on air freight for vital goods such as medicines.
Seb
Member
Sat Dec 22 18:56:05
Realistically, you would need to register and track drones - but given the components and software to make them is pretty COTS with OS designs and control software available - that's not really viable anyway as someone wishing to be malicious can fairly easily build their own.

TJ
Member
Sat Dec 22 19:26:47
Seb:

I understand GPS and RFID technology creating virtual geographic perimeter boundaries.
Seb
Member
Sat Dec 22 20:17:57
Hey, sorry - found your post "done something to solve this particular situations" a little ambiguous!

More I think, the more I disagree with Jergul: relying on military grade signals unit capabilities to play hunt the drone isn't sustainable.

And invites the possibility of little green men creating diversions at home to rob forces elsewhere of that capability.

One could imagine this is the sort of capability that would be useful support to NATO allies dealing with hybrid warfare.

But if they are tied up playing hunt the drone back home...

jergul
large member
Sun Dec 23 00:23:49
TJ
Highpowered semiautomatic weapons are pretty dangerous if employed maliciously.

Seb
Manhours are 75% of costs. I was suggesting police have the capability as it is a civic problem.

I find the "Mars invades!" argument unconvincing.
Seb
Member
Sun Dec 23 09:13:18
Jergul:

Whether you badge it police or military or civilian defence is to some extent irrelevant.

This is a very niche capability for police to maintain with infrequent need. Not least as that kind of signals capability permits quite aggressive eaves dropping.

We just had the GRU use chemical weapons to assassinate an ex spy on a whim.
What on earth is unrealistic about them flying drones around airport to ensure signals capabilities are tied up there and aren't being sent to Elbonia to help Elbonia snoop and track down Spetzantz and others coordinating "local rebels"?

It's called actually pretty obvious.




swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Sun Dec 23 09:38:43
"We just had the GRU use chemical weapons to assassinate an ex spy on a whim."

lol
TJ
Member
Sun Dec 23 10:45:39
jergul:

Seems I've been misunderstood and I now understand that first question.

At no time was I suggesting to use a gun in shooting down the drone. I was saying that a drone has a greater potential of mass death than a semiautomatic weapon in public hands. Something I believe should have been considered before drones were massed produced for public use.

It seems I"ve been taken out of context.

Again, don't misunderstand my strong position of liberty and I'm certainly not paranoid about either the drone or semi-automatic weapons. I was talking about potential.

I have a nephew that was in charge of drones in Afghanistan and trained the military in flying the Puma and others. I also have a son-in-law that operates an extremely sophisticated commercial drone.

We've had plenty of conversations covering the subject long before me posting in this thread.

This morning I read about the Drone Dome being used to end the airport incident.
Sam Adams
Member
Sun Dec 23 10:48:03
"UK per capita income is over twice Alabama's."

Just wanted to step in and point out that of all the retarded things seb has said, this might be the dumbest. If you check per capita income stats, you will find that alabama has about 26k dollars and the uk 21k pounds.

I suspect you are looking at gdp per capita or household income for uk, forgetting to compare the same stats in alabama. In either case, both per capita gdp and family income between the uk and alabama are quite similar.

Lol seb = alabama intelligence.
Sam Adams
Member
Sun Dec 23 10:57:46
"I was saying that a drone has a greater potential of mass death than a semiautomatic weapon in public hands"

Disagreed strongly. The drones used by the public are toys, and do not actually hurt planes much. They are similar in effect to geese, which even in flocks do not kill passengers.
jergul
large member
Sun Dec 23 10:59:23
Seb
The distinction between military and protected civilian services is hardly irrelevant in principle.

In practice, keeping it civilian avoids the issue you mention with capabilities being diverted from whatever part of the globe you are spreading freedom to. It would not be there to be diverted.

And you bombed the crap out of Libya and daffy ended up sodomized with a knife on a whim. Your point?
jergul
large member
Sun Dec 23 11:01:56
"I was saying that a drone has a greater potential of mass death than a semiautomatic weapon in public hands."

I don't see it. Anything a over the counter drone can do, a high powered semi-automatic does better.
TJ
Member
Sun Dec 23 11:10:41
A lot of people have disagreed and I hope they are correct going forward.
Seb
Member
Sun Dec 23 11:15:18
Sam:

UK income per capita in PPP USD is $43k USD. Google UK income per capita.

http://www...i71j35i39j0i20i263.YL7VZsuvS4M
Seb
Member
Sun Dec 23 11:16:23
God knows what figure Sam's using. Probably mean salary.
jergul
large member
Sun Dec 23 11:18:12
Banjo players make that much?
Seb
Member
Sun Dec 23 11:20:28
Which of course ignores key systemic things like benefits provided through ref in the UK (reducing wages) but paid by employers in the US (inflating wages).
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sun Dec 23 11:49:55
I'm surprised nobody has posted this.

http://www...UASAirborneCollisionReport.php

Note that Volume IV (the engine ingestion section) only models midsize business jet engines, unlike the others.
Sam Adams
Member
Sun Dec 23 13:07:35
Lol seb alabama by gni per capita is 43k too.

Compare apples to apples = uk is alabama.

Lol dumbseb.
Sam Adams
Member
Sun Dec 23 13:13:34
Woo, that report appears to be quite correct at first glance. The worst case scenario would be injesting the drone(or goose) into the engine, and even a large turbine engine could fail. Of course, you have at least one other engine.
Sam Adams
Member
Sun Dec 23 13:18:34
Maybe if the right model of aircraft has all the slats on one side controlled by the same hydraulic line with no lockout and you sliced that line with a wing hit at the exact right point you could retract the slats on one side and lose the plane. Not sure such a simple design is used anymore after that old ual dc10 was lost?
jergul
large member
Sun Dec 23 15:09:17
The only airport I know of that has systematically been the subject of malicious drone usage is in Latakia against the Russians by rebels supported by the UK.

Heh, no wonder Seb is worried. Goose-gander.
Seb
Member
Sun Dec 23 15:44:05
Sam:

Source?

I mean a second ago you claimed Alabama average income was $26k and UK $21k.

Now it's both $43k?

The $21k figure looks suspiciously like median disposable income (after taxes and Housing).

I'm thinking Sam might be from Alabama.

In any case, if income is intelligence I earn offer five times Sam's figure so I'm not sure what that proves.
Sam Adams
Member
Sun Dec 23 19:31:46
The lower figure is median real, your higher figure mean ppp.

Lol dumbseb. How do you mess up such basic shit?

Also, back on topic, the pair arrested were done so in error. The sebs have no clue who flew the drones, or if drones were even present at all. Lol!!! In the words of a great man... your failure is complete.
Sam Adams
Member
Sun Dec 23 19:33:48
Lol seb thinking he can compare median income of alabama with mean income of uk.

How many times have you failed to understand median verse mean? At least a couple during your global warming meltdowns. And ppp verse nominal?

Lol again!
Seb
Member
Sun Dec 23 20:01:49
Sam:

There's no such thing as median GNI per capita as GNI is a national statistic applying to the whole UK. By definition GNI per capita is a mean.

Are you talking then about median wages, median disposable income or median household income?

As for the idea that the difference is 21k and 43k is explained by PPP:

In PPP terms, 1USD is 0.713 GBP in 2017, vs 0.744 nominal.

https://data.oecd.org/conversion/purchasing-power-parities-ppp.htm

Are you telling me 0.744/0.713 = 43/21. You are great at maths!

You talk such utter bullshit Sam.

Why not show us your sources so we can laugh at you properly.





Peter Walsh
Member
Mon Dec 24 06:53:48
Newspapers splashed their pictures, names, street and employer across the front pages before they were cleared by police http://ich...production/_104926106_mail.jpg
Peter Walsh
Member
Mon Dec 24 06:55:12
http://www...-couple-released-a8697306.html

Gatwick police say they cannot discount possibility there was no drone

'We are working with human beings saying they have seen something'
jergul
large member
Mon Dec 24 08:23:00
'We are working with human beings saying they have seen something'

Oh Gawd.
Seb
Member
Mon Dec 24 08:47:23
Police also have in their possession a damaged drone recovered at the perimiter, and have previously posted picture and video of the drone, and described it flashing red and green lights at them.

Have now retracted the "possibility there was no drone" - so that looks more like an incompetent spokesman.

Sussex police is looking a bit shit here.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Mon Dec 24 09:07:25
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DvCyuunXQAQfDAJ.jpg
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Mon Dec 24 09:08:21

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Bellingdog‏ @Bellingdawg · 21h21 hours ago

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Replying to @ShoebridgeC

After #digitalsleuths intensive research of Russian photo archives, Bellingdog confirms that both suspects in the Gatwick drone incident were in fact in Russian Military Intelligence (GRU) Colonels.

We found two people with similar noses anyway.

Sam Adams
Member
Mon Dec 24 12:22:58
Omg, seb is now confused about currency exchange in addition to different averages and costs of living. Rofl.

In this one, you have lost to alabama but hey at least you beat Mississippi.

http://en....es_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita


Rip seb

I bet you are a vegan.
Sam Adams
Member
Mon Dec 24 12:32:22
Also lol at the uk. Phantom drones and days of failure. Was a bit suspicious that no one to my knowledge got any sort of decent videos, except mistaken police choppers.
Seb
Member
Mon Dec 24 12:59:05
Sam:

You know GDP and GNI are different things right? It ignores overseas investments (so doesn't reflect e.g. global activities of UK companies including things smart people do, quite important given Sam's intent to use this as a proxy for intelligence), which is quite silly given the UKs integration with the EU.

I'm not the one confused, you are the one that thinks PPP would lead to a difference of about 2!

I think we've established you just pick numbers out of the air.

Sam Adams
Member
Mon Dec 24 13:11:53
Read the link and cry, soyboy.
Seb
Member
Mon Dec 24 13:57:09
There's nothing wrong with the link, the problem is in your reasoning.

You've provided what, four? I've lost track, completely different numbers which don't correspond to the thing you are trying to measure.

You bizarrely invented a statistic that by definition doesn't exist (median GNI per capita), confused GDP, GNI and median household disposable income, and then tried to pretend that the difference between 21k and 43k wasn't due to you confusing two totally different figures but explained by PPP Vs nominal exchange rate.

Any weeping is tears of laughter.

Have you considered applying to be Trump's economy lead? You seem perfectly well qualified.
kargen
Member
Fri Dec 28 11:08:29
Offer a $100 gift certificate to one of the local pubs and a friend will turn the operators ass in.
jergul
large member
Fri Dec 28 12:44:05
The French are buying the airport. So next time, it will surrender.
Peter Walsh
Member
Sat Dec 29 14:24:41
http://www...-police-device-officer-admits/

Some of the sightings of drones which kept Gatwick Airport on shutdown may have involved the police’s own craft, a senior officer has admitted.

Police have not yet found the drone used to disrupt around 1,000 flights last week and do not know its model, but two drones found by police near the airport have been ruled out of involvement.
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