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Allahuakbar
Member
Fri Dec 21 16:30:47
Magnificent move of Erdogan:

http://www...all-with-erdogan-report-139931

Trump abruptly ordered withdrawal after Erdoğan asked him why US remains in Syria: Report

December 21 2018



President Donald Trump’s decision to withdraw American troops from Syria was made hastily, without consulting his national security team or allies, and over strong objections from virtually everyone involved in the fight against ISIL, according to U.S. and Turkish officials speaking to the Associated Press.

Trump stunned his Cabinet, lawmakers and much of the world with the move by rejecting the advice of his top aides and agreeing to a withdrawal in a phone call with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan last week, two officials briefed on the matter said.

The Dec. 14 call, described by officials who were not authorized to discuss the decision-making process publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity, is a view into a Trump decision with profound consequences, including the resignation of widely respected Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, according to the AP.

"The talking points were very firm," said one of the officials, explaining that Trump was advised to clearly oppose a Turkish incursion into northern Syria and suggest the U.S. and Turkey work together to address security concerns. "Everybody said push back and try to offer (Turkey) something that’s a small win, possibly holding territory on the border, something like that."

Erdoğan, though, quickly put Trump on the defensive, reminding him that he had repeatedly said the only reason for U.S. troops to be in Syria was to defeat ISIL and that the group had been 99 percent defeated. "Why are you still there?" the second official said Erdoğan asked Trump, telling him that the Turks could deal with the remaining ISIL militants.

With Erdoğan on the line, Trump asked national security adviser John Bolton, who was listening in, why American troops remained in Syria if what the Turkish president was saying was true, according to the officials. Erdoğan’s point, Bolton was forced to admit, had been backed up by Mattis, Pompeo, U.S. special envoy for Syria Jim Jeffrey and special envoy for the anti-ISIL coalition Brett McGurk, who have said that ISIL retains only 1 percent of its territory, the officials said.

Bolton stressed, however, that the entire national security team agreed that victory over ISIL had to be enduring, which means more than taking away its territory.

Trump was not dissuaded, according to the officials, who said the president quickly capitulated by pledging to withdraw, shocking both Bolton and Erdoğan.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Dec 21 16:36:29
sounds completely plausible

we need new and more effective babysitters quick
obaminated
Member
Fri Dec 21 16:57:09
Because you want to keep the United states in a never ending war?
Rugian
Member
Fri Dec 21 17:01:27
Remember back when liberals and nominal Ron Paul acolytes were against perpetual wars in the Middle East?

http://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1076100614202028033

At least Sam is being consistent when he expresses support for wanting to continue killing Muslims. What's the rest of your's excuses?
Forwyn
Member
Fri Dec 21 17:26:04
If we're not rampaging across Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, Making Istanbul Constantinople Again, nuking the Kaaba, and reclaiming the Hagia Sophia (tear down those disgusting minarets!), what's the point of even being over there?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Dec 21 17:26:38
the article says Trump made the snap decision while on a phone call with Erdoğan... so it's even less consultation than i feared

i figured at least a Stephen Miller or some other piece of trash... but el zilcho, absolutely nothing
mexicantardnado
Member
Fri Dec 21 17:37:13
duuuuur i supprted the war when it was duuur popular duuur but rugian says it sucks soo duuuuur it sucks now duuuuuur lets ignore duuur my pro war hawkish ways duuuur thanks rugian duuuuuuurrr
kargen
Member
Fri Dec 21 18:15:32
"The Dec. 14 call, described by officials who were not authorized to discuss the decision-making process publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity"

So could be complete fabrication for all anyone knows. We don't even know who was in the room if/when the call was made.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Dec 21 18:25:31
could be... yet i've heard of no advisor who supported him (not Pompeo, Mattis nor Bolton)... & it seemed to have come out of nowhere, so story checks out in that regard

obaminated
Member
Fri Dec 21 18:27:51
Tw, what advisor agreeing with trump on this decision would cause you to step back and accept that it is a good decision?

Or is your obsession with advisor approval a red herring?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Dec 21 18:47:24
people w/ knowledge of the situation would be nice (& absolutely required for a president who is fit for office) knowing all possible ramifications if we left seems an obvious question he should have... can you even imagine him carefully weighing options?

obviously that didn't happen or Trump's only messages wouldn't be 'we defeated ISIS' & 'Russia, Iran & Syria won't like us leaving as they'll have to fight ISIS without us'
(that's contradictory & total bullshit, if you can't tell)

also are we 'taking the oil'? ...recall how he hated that Obama left without plundering a sovereign nation's oil
obaminated
Member
Fri Dec 21 18:56:04
You really have lost it. What will happen to you when trump is out of office? You are going to have so much free time no longer spent obsessing over what Mr trump is up to and whether or not he is listening to his advisers.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Dec 21 18:59:36
i'm sure your view of Trump's methods would be identical if it was Obama doing it, right?

continuous lies & ignorance... siding w/ our enemies more often than allies... all fantastic
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Dec 21 19:11:31
and for the record, are you (mt) saying if this story is true...

that if Trump (the man who doesn't read written briefings, requires pictures/graphs & his name sprinkled into verbal briefings to pay attention, and can't recite accurate info if his life depended on it) made a major military decision based on info told to him from the leader of Turkey, you're fine with it?
obaminated
Member
Fri Dec 21 19:27:12
I am telling you I dont care how he came to the decision. Only you and other people who have lost touch with reality seem to believe it is a valid reason to negatively judge this decision. I'd call it stupid but it isnt stupid. It is obsessive. And I genuinely want to see what happens to you when trump leaves office.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Dec 21 20:11:57
I'm not judging the decision... unlike Trump I'd want to hear from experts and want a lot more info... I'm judging the 'man'... and he is severely lacking in all aspects
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Dec 21 20:44:08
sounds like we're abandoning our allies (Kurds) to die, right?... and at the hands of the guy who asked Trump to leave and Trump said 'okeydoke' to

reminiscent of the Clear and Present Danger movie, how fitting
Forwyn
Member
Fri Dec 21 22:39:33
Who gives a shit? Did Congress ever authorize boots on the ground?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Dec 21 23:03:00
well if it works as in the movies, one of them will barely escape and exact revenge on the lump, so that'd be nice

'Murdock.... Murdock... I'm coming to get -you-!'


at least people know signing deals with the US is pointless as we can back out without cause, and if you ally with us in combat we can abandon you on a whim
Dukhat
Member
Fri Dec 21 23:18:38
Obaminated falling back on the old classics. Cuckservatives have tried really hard to bring back the term *****-Derangement Syndrome but it doesn't stick because Trump is clearly the deranged one.

But it works for his tiny brain to accuse others of being what Trump actually is even though he clearly is a fucking erratic idiot.

murder
Member
Sat Dec 22 08:20:55

"at least people know signing deals with the US is pointless as we can back out without cause, and if you ally with us in combat we can abandon you on a whim"

Really? Russia parading their troops through Georgia while Georgia was supporting us in Iraq wasn't enough of a clue?

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Dec 23 11:24:14
Trump continuing to follow orders of Erdogan apparently...

"
I just had a long and productive call with President @RT_Erdogan of Turkey. We discussed ISIS, our mutual involvement in Syria, & the slow & highly coordinated pullout of U.S. troops from the area. After many years they are coming home. We also discussed heavily expanded Trade.
"

i have heard of no 'long and productive' talks w/ any Americans
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Dec 24 00:58:50
and continuing more...

"
President @RT_Erdogan of Turkey has very strongly informed me that he will eradicate whatever is left of ISIS in Syria....and he is a man who can do it plus, Turkey is right “next door.” Our troops are coming home!
"

'very strongly'...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Dec 24 01:14:40
those tweets pretty much confirm the OP story, and show our idiot prez is an easily manipulated child
Rugian
Member
Mon Dec 24 01:16:37
Oof...bye bye Kurds...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Dec 24 11:28:28
i wonder if Trump even aware of their peril, it's not like Erdogan will warn him & apparently he's Trump's only advisor on this
Interesting Facts
Member
Mon Dec 24 11:45:01
"Oof"

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=oof

OOF
Commonly used by 6-12 year olds in a game by the name of 'Roblox' to exercise stress and discomfort while getting 'rekt' by another 6-12 year old.

'oof' i jest gawt spewn killd in phentum pherses. itz lik my favorites gaem.
Jesse Malcolm Barack
Member
Mon Dec 24 11:48:01
Oh man I like how the crazies are ok with trump ignoring all his advisors and then completely doing what hes told by Erdogan or Putin
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