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Peter Walsh
Member
Thu Jan 10 10:38:36
http://www...tive-state-sexual-assault.html

Police reveal a baby boy born to a woman who has been in a vegetative state for more than 10 years nearly died as he was being delivered

Police said baby was in distress when he was born to victim on December 29

Sgt Tommy Thompson confirmed the baby and mother are recovering at hospital

The 29-year-old woman gave birth at the Hacienda HealthCare facility in Arizona

Patient had been in a vegetative state for more than 10 years after drowning

Police have obtained search warrant to retrieve DNA from male staffers at facility

Hacienda CEO Bill Timmons stepped down on Monday in light of the news

Phoenix police said during a press conference on Wednesday afternoon that a baby born to a woman who has been in a vegetative state for more than a decade nearly died during birth.

Sgt Tommy Thompson confirmed that the baby was in distress following the birth, but he and his mother are now recovering at a local hospital.

The victim gave birth on December 29 at Hacienda HealthCare.

She had been in a vegetative state for more than 10 years after a near-drowning when she delivered the baby boy.

Thompson said he didn't have many details about the birth, but to his knowledge, staff members of the facility were there when the baby was born, and it was a natural birth.

He wasn't able to confirm if the baby was full term at the time of the birth, but he said the baby boy was 'quite a long ways'.

When asked if staffers at the facility knew about the pregnancy and failed to report, Thompson said: 'I'm led to believe that this [pregnancy] came to light when the baby was born.'

Thompson said that if staffers did know about the pregnancy, they will face possible charges for not reporting it to authorities.

'This was a helpless victim who was sexually assaulted,' Thompson told reporters.

He said the woman, 29, who has not been identified, was 'not in a position to give consent'.

It's unclear if the woman was assaulted more than once, but it is a possibility.

When asked whether police would speak to other women at the facility to see if they had been sexually assaulted, Thompson said the police department is only focusing on the one sexual assault case.

A lawyer for the woman's family said they were outraged at the 'neglect of their daughter' and asked for privacy.

'The family would like me to convey that the baby boy has been born into a loving family and will be well cared for,' Phoenix attorney John Michaels said in a statement.

On Tuesday, police served a search warrant to get DNA from all male employees at a long-term care facility.

Hacienda HealthCare said it welcomed the DNA testing of employees.

'We will continue to cooperate with Phoenix Police and all other investigative agencies to uncover the facts in this deeply disturbing, but unprecedented situation,' the company said in a statement.

Local news website Azfamily.com first reported that the woman, who had been in a vegetative state for more than 10 years after a near-drowning, delivered a baby on December 29.

San Carlos Apache officials announced Tuesday night that the woman was an enrolled member of the tribe, whose reservation is in southeastern Arizona about 134 miles east of Phoenix.

In a statement, tribal officials said the woman was still in a coma when she gave birth.

The woman's name was redacted from the tribal statement.

It's not known if the woman has a family or a guardian.

'On behalf of the tribe, I am deeply shocked and horrified at the treatment of one of our members,' tribal chairman Terry Rambler said.

'When you have a loved one committed to palliative care, when they are most vulnerable and dependent upon others, you trust their caretakers. Sadly, one of her caretakers was not to be trusted and took advantage of her. It is my hope that justice will be served.'

San Carlos Apache Police Chief Alejandro Benally said Phoenix police 'will do all they can to find the perpetrator' and his department will assist 'in any way possible'.

A spokesman for Hacienda HealthCare said investigators served a search warrant Tuesday to obtain DNA samples from all male staffers.

In a statement, board member Gary Orman said the facility 'will accept nothing less than a full accounting of this absolutely horrifying situation'.

'We will do everything in our power to ensure the safety of every single one of our patients and our employees,' Orman said.

Hacienda CEO Bill Timmons stepped down Monday, spokesman David Leibowitz said.

The decision was unanimously accepted by the provider's board of directors.

Gov Doug Ducey's office has called the situation 'deeply troubling'.

The Hacienda facility serves infants, children and young adults who are 'medically fragile' or have developmental disabilities, according to the website.

In the wake of the reports, the Arizona Department of Health Services said new safety measures have been implemented.

They include increased staff presence during any patient interaction, more monitoring of patient care areas and additional security measures involving visitors.

The state's online complaint database for care facilities shows multiple complaints about the facility going back to 2013.

Most of them involve fire drill and evacuation preparation or Medicaid eligibility.

But one complaint from December 2013 outlines an allegation that a staff member made inappropriate sexual comments about four patients two months earlier.

Nobody relayed the incidents to an administrator. That employee was later fired.

Martin Solomon, a personal injury attorney in Phoenix whose clients are mostly vulnerable adult victims of abuse and neglect, said a lawyer representing this woman should call for all pertinent medical records, a list of current and ex-employees and any past litigation involving Hacienda.

It would be the police who would lead DNA testing to figure out who fathered the baby, Solomon said.

It would be hard for Hacienda to escape any kind of liability in court.

'There's a lot of information we do not have. But things like this don't happen without someone either knowing about it or should have known about it,' Solomon said.

'Whether it's an employee or someone from the outside, the facility has an obligation to protect residents.'

Thompson said that the baby's DNA will be one of their key tools in the investigation.

Advocates for the disabled say Arizona needs to find a way to monitor allegations of sexual abuse and sexual violence in group settings.

Doing background checks isn't enough, said Erica McFadden, executive director of the Arizona Developmental Disabilities Planning Council.

'I think when you've had somebody who's had multiple allegations from different parties, there has to be some way to track that,' McFadden said.

'If it's the same story from different people, then there's something wrong.'

The council recently formed a task force to look at how to improve training for health care workers when it comes to identifying and reporting sexual abuse.

'We don't have a systematic way to train people what's a good touch or a bad touch. We also don't have required training for providers,' McFadden said.

'We really need a lot of work in this area.'

Jon Meyers, executive director of The Arc of Arizona, an advocacy group for people with intellectual and developmental disabilities, called the allegations 'disturbing, to put it mildly.'

'I wasn't there. I clearly don't have firsthand knowledge of what happened,' Meyers said.

'But I can't believe someone receiving that level of constant care wasn't recognized as being pregnant prior to the time she delivered.'
Rugian
Member
Thu Jan 10 10:46:24
This story has been front page news for days now. Can I ask why? Oh no, a vegetable got raped in Arizona, this is really important for people to know!

As for the DNA test warrants...I guess it depends on how many male staffers there are. If it's like 3...fine. If it's more like 70...I dunno.
Paramount
Member
Thu Jan 10 11:08:36
If the woman is white and the baby is brown, then all white males should not be forced to leave a DNA sample.
Paramount
Member
Thu Jan 10 11:13:26
”When asked if staffers at the facility knew about the pregnancy and failed to report, Thompson said: 'I'm led to believe that this [pregnancy] came to light when the baby was born.' ”


So no one saw her pregnant belly? Not even her own family? Maybe it was her father who impregnated her?
Paramount
Member
Thu Jan 10 11:21:04
Maybe her father wanted a grandchild so much and maybe he thought that no one would want to have a child with his daughter because of the state she is in, so he decided that this was the only way he could have one.
jergul
large member
Thu Jan 10 14:16:24
We need to hear both sides of the story before deciding is the relationship was consentual or not.

It could just have been a bad date.
Paramount
Member
Thu Jan 10 14:27:26
Well, she didn’t say no, so...
TJ
Member
Thu Jan 10 14:41:07
The revenge of an incel.
McKobb
Member
Thu Jan 10 14:45:19
#PussyWagon
Nekran
Member
Thu Jan 10 14:53:57
"Patient had been in a vegetative state for more than 10 years after drowning"

I really don't get why people do that.
Rugian
Member
Thu Jan 10 15:04:40
"I really don't get why people do that."

Apparently you can still have a sex life.
OsamaIsDaWorstPresid
Member
Thu Jan 10 15:25:21
imagin how mcuh monie u wuld save on dates an handbags an clothez and u wuldint get bitchid at
obaminated
Member
Thu Jan 10 19:33:07
"This story has been front page news for days now. Can I ask why? Oh no, a vegetable got raped in Arizona, this is really important for people to know! "

Rugian is super pissed about the news making a big deal about the ONE woman he decided to rape. Like. Of course this becomes huge news. Should've just got some 21 year old shit faced and fucked her behind a dumpster.
zavyx
Member
Fri Jan 11 01:34:53
its another slow news day, nothing but prince williams helicopter flight, and president trumps wall tantrum.

you've got to mix it up, keep us informed of all the burning houses and deaths in custody, and niggers being bashed in the streets, news just doesn't get it anymore.
The Children
Member
Fri Jan 11 01:48:49
i only glimpsed this news yesterday but did not know she was a vegetable. damn thats some messed up shit right there. disgustin americans, disgustin culture.
jergul
large member
Fri Jan 11 01:51:18
The chances of getting pregnant from a single tyst is quite small. A night staffer did it (many times) in the bedroom with his penis.

OsamaIsDaWorstPresid
Member
Fri Jan 11 02:27:08
http://www...ist-must-come-back-before-2020

mebe ist jsut jesus returnin and its da virgin birth
patom
Member
Fri Jan 11 05:15:32
They may never find the semen donor if it was a scenario like in the Movie Kill Bill.
TJ
Member
Fri Jan 11 09:43:26
"The Hacienda facility serves infants, children and young adults who are 'medically fragile' or have developmental disabilities, according to the website."

It may not have been be a staffer who took advantage of the 28 year old.

Contradiction in article:

"A lawyer for the woman's family said they were outraged at the 'neglect of their daughter' and asked for privacy."

"It's not known if the woman has a family or a guardian."
Sam Adams
Member
Fri Jan 11 11:06:42
Why waste the money keeping it alive?
Sam Adams
Member
Fri Jan 11 11:07:04
Also that kill bill shit was real? Fucking tarantino
Rugian
Member
Fri Jan 11 11:17:02
"Why waste the money keeping it alive?"

There was a story that came out this week about how American women (particularly white women) aren't producing nearly enough children to sustain the population. Maybe vegetables could be used as breeding factories to keep our (white) population growing.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jan 11 14:22:31
apparently the woman was there since she was 2 years old...

so... on the one hand, probably countless sexual assaults & rapes by someone or multiple people has been going on

on the other hand, the family gets a working child
Sam Adams
Member
Fri Jan 11 14:58:18
"particularly white women"

Asian women in advanced nations too. Basically people with iq have stopped breeding. We need genetic engineering soon or idiocracy will be real.
Sam Adams
Member
Fri Jan 11 14:59:09
Artificial wombs would help too.
TJ
Member
Fri Jan 11 17:10:30
"apparently the woman was there since she was 2 years old..."

Where did you get that information from?
obaminated
Member
Fri Jan 11 17:25:07
no clue. she is 29 and has been in a coma for 10 years. also she is an indian so probably not the ideal breeding factory for whites.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jan 11 17:39:57
the OP article says "more than" 10 years (many times)

today on news they said 27 years
TJ
Member
Fri Jan 11 18:13:01
"The 29-year-old woman gave birth at the Hacienda HealthCare facility in Arizona"

"Patient had been in a vegetative state for more than 10 years after drowning"

Maybe she is 27-28-29 ???

I see no indication she was in the facility prior her drowning incident. Who knows considering the reporting done these days. Shrug...

Pillz
Member
Fri Jan 11 19:28:48
A lack of breeding has nothing to do with intelligence. It's about resources and affluence.

In an urban environment the cost of children (since child Labour laws) has outweighed the return. With effective contraception readily available, people who are smart enough to know they can't afford children don't have them. Idiots still breed true but you also have people who decide not to becauce the amenities afforded to them by forgoing those costs due to affluent living in western society (which is itself a draw and a big cause) is what makes people not have kids.

They can live without them, and want to.

Unfortunately cr made this argument best
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Jan 12 01:15:07
@TJ, this is an article saying she was there since age 3

is there a reason she couldn't have had the drowning at age 3?

http://www...maximum-level-care/2538531002/
TJ
Member
Sat Jan 12 09:51:14
TW:

I had no reason at all to think either way other than the first article posted. I was just looking for verification that she had been in the facility since being a toddler or prior.

Thanks for the link. It was always possible considering the type of facility.
Snuke
Member
Sun Jan 13 04:33:11
Anyone know what this chick looks like?

My inner mind really wants her to be smoking hot.
jergul
large member
Sun Jan 13 04:42:27
Immobilized for a decade and had an undetected pregnancy? Obese.
McKobb
Member
Sun Jan 13 04:51:54
Feeding tubes rarely render patients obese.
jergul
large member
Sun Jan 13 06:21:34
Mckobb
Why would you think that? Its like you think this nursing facility has high competence with no treatment issues when the evidence points elsewhere.

The women had bad dates the institution was unaware of. The women carried a pregnancy to term that the institution was unaware of.

Feeling that it closely monitored and balanced nutritional requirements seems outlandish.
jergul
large member
Sun Jan 13 06:26:54
Case in point: The woman did in fact carry a child to term. This would dramatically increase her calorie requirements.

Do you think her nutritional plan changed during the pregnancy, or was she getting enough excess calories to support the pregnancy from the start (alternatively had she stored enough energy in the form of fat to complete the pregnancy without issue [pun intended])?

Obese.
hood
Member
Sun Jan 13 09:54:26
I think the most important aspect of this story is that people still seem to believe that raping these vegetables is rare.

I am fairly confident in saying that it isn't.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jan 23 11:08:39
suspect: Nathan Sutherland, nurse, age 36, arrested

mugshot:
http://cdn.abcotvs.com/dip/images/5102810_mugshotnursetn.jpg

patom
Member
Wed Jan 23 12:10:20
I can only hope that he gets put away for a long long time. Castration would be a good thing too.
Sam Adams
Member
Wed Jan 23 12:12:25
Oh look one of sebs innocent minorities
jergul
large member
Wed Jan 23 13:03:06
Toldya.
Stalker
Member
Wed Jan 23 13:17:24
No problem, he is a "caring father":
http://heavy.com/news/2019/01/nathan-sutherland/
zavyx
Member
Thu Jan 24 02:24:29
so nurses rape the shit out of little bitches in comas all the time (should see what goes on in the childrens ward), its no surprise, come on get real, we didnt' see this one coming (there's no security cameras). He probably would have dug her rotting corpse out the ground to get a good fuck before she spends eternity in hell.

aint life a bitch then they fuck you when you're dead.
Hrothgar
Member
Sun Jan 27 22:34:20
This story is seriously messed up. Adding to my list of reasons not to feel too bad when the nukes fly.
McKobb
Member
Mon Jan 28 01:43:06
He couldn't look her in the eye.
murder
Member
Mon Jan 28 06:23:17

"Thompson said he didn't have many details about the birth, but to his knowledge, staff members of the facility were there when the baby was born, and it was a natural birth."

Natural birth?

jergul
large member
Mon Jan 28 08:54:02
Murder
Turns out she was just severely handicapped, not vegetative.

Natural birth = not C-section. But I imagine you knew that.
murder
Member
Mon Jan 28 19:54:08

I knew what they meant. I object to the terminology in this case.

swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Mon Jan 28 20:54:39
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