Utopia Talk / Politics / Trump payed moneys to rig polls

Paramount Member	Thu Jan 17 12:13:37 President Donald Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen admitted Thursday that he paid a man in 2015 to rig online opinion polls to favor Trump as he began running for the presidency. Cohen confirmed a Wall Street Journal report that in early 2015 he paid the head of a small technology firm, John Gauger, to write computer script that would place multiple votes for Trump in an online poll of news broadcaster CNBC. They repeated the effort in an online poll of website Drudge Report, which is popular with conservatives. Cohen, who also paid Gauger to create a social media account to promote himself, confirmed the main elements of the Journal story. "What I did was at the direction of and for the sole benefit of @realDonaldTrump @POTUS. I truly regret my blind loyalty to a man who doesn't deserve it," he wrote on Twitter. Cohen, who was the real estate billionaire's right-hand-man and fixer at the Trump Organization in New York at the time, pleaded guilty last year to charges that he violated campaign finance laws by arranging hush payments ahead of the 2016 election to women who claimed credibly to have had extramarital affairs with Trump. Cohen implicated Trump in that crime, saying he directed the payments. http://afp...n-to-rig-online-polls/a/J1dGJ8
Sam Adams Member	Thu Jan 17 12:22:16 Sounds like something Clinton would do too.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 17 13:09:33 Trump loved citing online polls, especially after debates
hood Member	Thu Jan 17 13:11:28 It's something Trump did do. No need to deflect. I guess now we know where he got those 3 million illegal votes. They were his.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Thu Jan 17 15:07:23 Yeah funny how Trump is doing the things that he accuses other people of doing.
kargen Member	Thu Jan 17 15:18:59 I've been telling you people pretty much from day one of these forums that polls are not to be trusted. Cohen does have a history (long and extensive) of doing what he thinks is best for him and then deflecting blame when caught. Remember he basically blamed his tax problems on his accountant not being able to read his mind. So without real tangible proof this amounts to Cohen doing what Cohen thinks is best for him. Nothing more.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 17 15:24:02 "polls are not to be trusted" this will be how team Trump spins it... 'see, you can't trust polls!' **ONLINE** polls are not to be trusted... which no real news organization relies on... (though Trump trusts them completely) also how is it best for Cohen? plus he was repaid by Trump Org for it
kargen Member	Thu Jan 17 15:56:04 We already covered why it was best for Cohen. He was expecting a possible cabinet position and short of that some other high position as part of the President Trump team. He has admitted this. He did what he could to help President Trump win because he thought it would benefit him personally in a big way. Repaid by Trump Org does not directly translate to repaid by President Trump. That also has been hashed out in detail going back to before the election. Remember when the courts ruled the Trump brand was a separate entity from then candidate Trump? Even if President Trump personally cut the check from his own account there still is only Cohen's word that President Trump knew what Cohen was actually being paid for. We know from past testimony Cohen had a habit of lying on invoices when asking for payment. Again with no real and concrete evidence this is going to amount to nothing. And with the move President Trump made today (grounding congress) this story probably won't get much coverage.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 17 16:23:37 "We already covered why it was best for Cohen" are you still pretending Trump didn't know about the mistress payments too? as that's when you 'covered' it there is no question he knew about those
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 17 16:34:00 ...but i'm not claiming Trump knew specifically about rigging online polls... Trump doesn't even know what 'online' means probably... he referred to those polls as 'people calling in' once i can't imagine there's any legal issue so not that relevant if he knew in this case
kargen Member	Thu Jan 17 16:40:11 Whether President Trump knew about the payments or not doesn't matter in this conversation. We all know he knew about the payments and that him knowing didn't break any laws. This is about Cohen and his long long history of illegal activity and blaming others for his illegal activity. Again I point you to him trying to blame his accountant.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 17 17:04:24 you have decided to apply the circumstances most favorable to Trump in all cases thus finding him not guilty we can reconvene when the Mueller report comes out :p
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 17 17:11:32 actually those payments wont be Mueller related... hopefully there will be other charges against Trump Org or AMI but with immunity deals maybe not if Trump's signature is on the agreement between Cohen & Pecker to pay off McDougal, then Trump is guilty of one of the same felonies Cohen was
kargen Member	Thu Jan 17 17:25:19 No I have said I will wait until I see actual proof. To this point and time there has been no actual proof. I've admitted time and again President Trump has done things that are not ethical or particularly moral but so far we haven't seen anything that shows he has done something illegal. And no President Trump is not guilty of the same crime because as the actual candidate different laws apply. You know this though and refuse to admit it because it takes away from your fantasy of President Trump being jailed.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 17 17:36:00 and you keep ignoring Trump didn't pay personally so it doesn't matter that he has different rules 1 Cohen felony: getting AMI to payoff McDougal (not Cohen's money, not Trump's money, AMI's money) Trump was part of the deal w/ AMI to squash stories... & there was an agreement to repay AMI over McDougal (for which Trump is on tape discussing, but which AMI backed out of as they realized they were doing something illegal) if Cohen committed a felony over getting AMI to pay (& he did, as convicted of it) then it's quite likely Trump is just as guilty... but we don't have all the evidence, & i'm not a lawyer as for proof he's done illegal things... he's committing obstruction, witness tampering, & countless libel/slander infractions right out in the open (plus some secretly)... plus plenty of fraud in every aspect of his life
hood Member	Thu Jan 17 18:16:35 "No I have said I will wait until I see actual proof." Republican? "I wait for facts!" Democrat? "They're clearly guilty, see all this supposed evidence?" Gotta love hypocritical fuckface liars.
obaminated Member	Thu Jan 17 19:47:44 how does this tangibly change anything? did you guys really think campaigns that exceed hundreds of millions of dollars weren't using every non-illegal act they could come up with to give themselves an edge? how naive are you people?
hood Member	Thu Jan 17 20:43:11 "buying elections is perfectly reasonable" - mt
Dukhat Member	Thu Jan 17 21:56:47 Ah yes, moving from naked denial to false equivalence. Acceptance is only a few steps away.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 17 22:26:35 Buzzfeed reporting Trump instructed Cohen to lie to congress... they claim by 2 federal investigator sources, who say it's backed up by multiple witnesses and documents So another crime... that's well within the behavior pattern of Trump http://www...ow-tower-mueller-investigation
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 17 22:50:36 ...also is entirely what you would expect to have happened, as you'd want to have your story straight not just wing it with lies and hope others are saying the same Trump is a criminal.
kargen Member	Fri Jan 18 18:01:56 Spend a minute researching the reporters that "broke" the Buzzfeed story. There is a long and extensive past of invented fabricated stories. People think President trump is evil so they use that to justify all the nefarious shit they are pulling. We know Cohen has a history of lying and blaming others. We know the reporter has a history of inventing stories. Knowing that guess what we need. Tangible proof. Might be time for some of these anonymous sources to come forward, you know, for the good of the country because President Trump is so evil.
obaminated Member	Fri Jan 18 20:14:46 Hood thinking buying internet pollsters is buying an election.
hood Member	Fri Jan 18 20:54:34 You genuinely don't think buying off poll wins in the early stages of the race affected Trump's longevity? You should stick to your boom operator job or whatever it is.
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